Replacing The Cylinder Sleeves In A 236 Perkins Block Out Of A Massey Ferguson 180 Tractor
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I doubt I will ever do this kind of work. So why do I love watching these videos so much?? I think it's the combination of learning, the satisfaction of seeing quality work get done, and the thought that the engine will run like new when it gets put back in. Anyhoo, cool video!
Also save that you had to have some kind of engine work done on something when the mechanic came to you to let you know what he had to replace you would actually have a little bit more knowledge on it and no that everything he does is within the bounds of what he says needs to be done so say you watch the video and learned everything and you had to have an engine rebuilt or machined if the mechanic came to you and said hey your Pistons need replaced you wouldn't know what he would be replacing versus somebody that doesn't know anything about an engine if a mechanic came to them and said hey I need to replace your Pistons he could replace a camshaft instead and they think okay good my Pistons are done you see what I kind of been trying to get up you would have an expensive knowledge on it now and you can at least know a little bit more about what your mechanics doing to your engine in a sense
You guys are just a few of the last good machine shops left!! KEEP up the good work.
As a retired quality engineer I truly enjoy the precision you're using to ensure a solid rebuild.
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You guys are great. Our local machine shop wont remove sleeves. I asked in preparation for my 8n ford rebuild and he said nope i would have to remove them myself. Recomended a weld bead down the inside if each bore tonrelrase sleeve. Told him im not a welder. So im lookinh for new machine shop lol
I just LOVE watching these videos. I’m a weekend wrench warrior (driveway mechanic) lol
This gives me so much more knowledge of what goes on inside an engine. Love the preciseness of it all.
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching 😎
The way the world is going we might soon be real glad of our skills
I’m a young Boomer but constantly amazed how people the age of my kids (Millennials) simply refuse to understand anything about the equipment they depend on daily. It’s just replaced when it breaks.
My 30 y/o daughter does her own DIY (new bathroom, new kitchen, genuine solid parquet floor, etc.) she doesn’t touch her car but she does understand how and why it needs maintaining.
@@Dave5843-d9m what’s her name/number again?! LoL
The remains of the sleeve (after cutting it) is so cool to see so thin.
You say “ball hone” and every guy on the couch said, “dingleberry brush”!! 😆 love your channel & share it with my friends!
I admire very much your meticulous set ups and double checking. And of course your explanations. Excellent!
These Perkins 236 and 248 (slightly bigger bore brother) are fantastic little engines, powerful for their class, fuel efficient and reliable
The only ones on Perkins ........ the others are caca.........................
That’s awesome I’m 58 and love to learn. Thanks guys keep it up. Carl
This is so satisfying to watch and you guys save lives, I can’t even imagine how many projects were saved from your work
As always, gorgeous work gentlemen. You are truly craftsmen and artists. Thank you for sharing your talents with us!
we have a very similar tractor on our farm a mf 135 and seing this much care being put into an old tractor just warms my heart
I love watching your work, it is so satisfying and educational at the same time..
Love the attention to detail the two of you show in work you do makes a person comfortable knowing you guys are doing quality work
Massey Ferguson 180. An amazing tractor. Thank-you for your part in restoring a piece of agriculture history.😊
Hopefully unruly customers that "need it today", and cheap and perfectly to spec, will see this and realize that you don't just wave a magic wand over it and it's ready for pick up, a large percentage of customers have little idea of what actually happens at the machine shop, great job guys
I enjoy your videos because there isn’t any extra blabber - you narrate clearly right to the point of what you are doing and why which holds interest throughout all of your videos - thanks for posting and the education - Paul from Higganum, CT
I love the videos. They helped me realize what I want to do for a career. Now it's just time to gain experience.
These videos' are very enjoyable. Thanks to you and your father for bringing us into your shop. Keep up the great work.
You have no idea how enjoyable it is to watch you guys do your work. Very therapeutic. Makes me want to go out and buy some equipment myself.....🤔
Excellent video, well edited and narrated.
Thank you, Jim in Oregon.
You all have a great business, very professional, love the content, always love the information, God bless
Beautiful work, attention to detail is everything.
I used to work on the machining line that produced that block. If I remember correctly, the parent bores were rough and finish bored on Burr 1 and Burr 2 vertical boring machines, then honed on Nagel honers. The liners were fitted, bored on Burr 3 and then finish honed on a Citroen honer.
I truly enjoy watching you work with your dad, it is very apparent how proud he is of you. I grew up working with my dad at his gas stations. I ended up buying my own. He’s gone now, I a cherish those memories more than ever. Thanks for taking the time to produce this content.
That's crazy, I'm working in an automotive machine shop and we've been getting a 236 perkins refreshed here too. Keep up your good work! Love your channel
I’ve always wanted to visit a machine shop and watch the workflow. Fascinating work!
Love your channel, these machines are all new to me as my experience is all in "conventional" machining. A machine tour would be welcome!
It’s really cool seeing that even with your beefy tooling, there is a decent bit of flex in the head at 2:33 when viewing in slow mo
I absolutely love how quickly and concisely you narrate. The cutter wobble at high feed in slow motion was very interesting. I own a CNC machine shop (not automotive) and a good friend does exactly what you do. I like the manual skills and thinking you use. I don't think a CNC would stop to check the C-Bore. I don't know if the CNC boring machines center on every bore, but think it necessary on older engines. I wonder how many people realize what the distance taking the extra two thou really entails. Great video skills as well as machining skills.
I appreciate y'alls precise work. If I lived close to you, I would use you for my machine work.
Super job in every respect - very nice to see a good father and son relationship - it's heartening - thanks much!
Hello from North Carolina....love your videos and commentary! I enjoy the broad spectrum of jobs you and your father complete. My Grandfather was a machinist for a large company in Illinois, your videos let me see some of what he did in living color.
You guys are great-it’s always a treat to watch the shorts and full length vids
Nice work! I do some lighter machinework here in Sweden, i have one milling machine and a lathe and a valvegrinder. Just resurfacing heads and grinding valves and seats. But i would love to be able to do seat changing and valvestems someday! But im just a weekend warrior but having fun watching your videos and learning stuff! ( sorry if my spelling is bad)
awesome content! it's great to see some of the quickly fading arts still alive and well in my generation. stay frosty brother!
Damn impressive job
These videos make me miss working as a shop hand in an old school machine shop 20+ years ago. If you guys were close by, I'd work there for free, just to soak up the knowledge!
Good watching craftsman at work.
Phenomenal work, i enjoyed watching the step by step immensely. Keep going.
Gentlemen from day one that I started seeing your channel, I was very amazed and intrigued on how you and your dad do these things, My heart's desire and wish wish is that you would would honor me with with doing the head of my engine a 2.4 L ecotec Chevy on an Equinox, She is at 110000 miles But, Alas I live too far away in in North Carolina And although I know how to break my engine down I don't have where to do it at this time of my life, So God-bless you and your dad and and your family's and the business.
as a factory trained Perkins tech i have to tell you i hated changing sleeves. we had a liner puller but it was so cumbersome a lot of time i just ran a couple of weld beads down the cylinder and used the puller to install.
liners should be a tighter fit if not they dont transfer the heat, you can actually see hot spots when you remove old loose fit liner.
they use baked on primer on there blocks, .
Wow that's one lucky tractor to bee rebuilt out of the tractor. We normally have have to do them in the tractor. Use the stick welder to remove the sleeves and have to freeze the new sleeves to get them in.
Good work.
Very interesting & surprising to see at 2:35 that it's moving as you bore downwards. As you said later I's a big rough cut & not critical, but still a bit surprising it moved a bit.
I've helped pull & replace those on a Perkins engine before. We were a little more crude in the removal process.. To install the new sleeves we poured liquid propane on them & dropped them in.
3:50 the "apprentice" did really well!!
🤣 Everyone has a process that works for them. Your turd process might be meaningless to others. Vise versa.
At about 2:35 in, that defection seen in slow motion was awesome! Always hear about it, but never really see it in action like that.
I am working on a continental F-162 from a Silver King tractor.......wish you were located closer to me in NY. Love your videos.
Your guys are doing great as a former mechanic and machinist it's neat to learn how you guys do your magic !!!
I SAY YOUNG MAN YOU DO AN EXCELLENT JOB OF NARRATION ON EACH OF THESE VIDY'S I'VE WATCHED YOU GO BROTHER GITTER DUN
Keep up the good work, love watching these videos. From a heavy diesel mechanic in Australia 🇦🇺
We also bored out the old sleeves. That is definitely the safest and best route
I'm just a farmer but have done several overhauls to Perkins engines and I can not believe how those liners would stay in place, they are so loose to the bores. I once used aftermarket liners and they were just like these, went in way too easy. Sent them back and bought original Perkins liners, they are much tighter fit. I believe this is number one cause when liner cracks and gets pulled down to the sump, all thats holding it in place is that shoulder. Puts a lot of strain on that thin cast liner wall. Perkins manuals even say to use Loctite when fitting finished liners because service liners are not as tight fit as factory fitted ones. But they should not be that loose as in this video.
my dad was a machinist , love your videos
Very cool rebuild of an old engine.
Great videos guys. Thank you for the time and effort
Thanks for taking the time to watch! :)
Can you guys do some more videos like this but show the entire machining of both the block and heads. Ya know for us who like this as our ASMR. Thank you for you commentary during the video
Really enjoy these videos; Thank you so much for the quality of these videos, as well.
Really enjoy watching and learning from your videos
I am getting a new engine in my 70 chevelle and I want to keep the original engine and eventually send it out to you guys to have it rebuilt. I’d hate to part with the original numbers matching engine and I would love to see you guys be the ones to do it
As a machinist I could watch these videos all day.
Spun so many rod bearings you decided to become a machinist so you can fix it yourself?
@@16vSciroccoboi I actually work in aerospace. Working on engines would be a welcome change from the high tolerance of tenths.
Great work and videos. Love watching them and learning a bit.
I hope to see a parts shopping trolley with a Big Block in it with a healthy cam.
Treat your self to a rolling billboard.
Love the channel = ]
You guys do some fantastic work, loving the channel from here in the UK 🇬🇧 👏
I would love to listen to all the knowledge your old man is capable of shedding.
I sure wish you guys weren't so far from central Florida. Love your content.
Great video. I loved the video where you used CAD to help illustrate things. I think it was the jaguar block with the cracks.
I work as a mechanical engineer and I’m definitely envious of the talent your shops shows!
I use my mechanical engineering degree once in a blue moon 😂
@@JAMSIONLINE lmao!
Great job again guys, what a shame the videos are not a little longer. Keep up the good work. (Wales UK)
Highly enjoyable and relaxing to watch, thanks ! 👍😎
You know, when I was a kid, my Dad use to say to me all the time "Dammit son, if you can't do it right the first time, don't do it at all".. Clearly your Father believes the same thing which is great.
P.S., I once responded to Dad telling me that "Ok, great, I won't mow the yard then".. Yea, the response wasn't well received by Dad.. lol
My favorite and first real job growing up was in an Automotive machine shop. 4 years there...I was a kid and learned so much. No CNC...this was the 1980's. The pay was terrible, there was asbestos everywhere(6-71 and 8V-71s too big for anything but the oven) Clean those things with wire wheels and just breathe in the[asbestos] head gasket remnants. Hands black as could be from the diesel oil. Boots would last about 2 months due to all chemicals(acid bath and steam cleaning mostly). Painting with bad ventilation. I loved the work but am glad I only did it for four years. That shop was very vary bad for one's health. Our machinery was mostly Van-Norman(Crank grinder, milling, guides etc.) Valve seat cutting was Neway carbide with a floating mandrel(no doubt considered antique and crude now). I learned a bunch. I got paid poorly though. Nonetheless, happy to have done it. I sometimes wonder how many of those things I worked on are still working. There's a decent amount of pride on making things work.
Great job mate 👍🏻🇦🇺
I love watching your detailed and professional videos.
2 12 ton bottle jacks, couple of pieces of 1/2" thick angle iron and a puck machined to just barely slip in side the sleeve 3/4" with a lip that'll grab the sleeve but small enough to pass through the block, at least 3/4" all thread and a thick drawbar will pull the sleeves out fairly quick.
I'd love to use that boring bar. You should what I use. I really like that you can indicate each bore with yours.
Love the content. I am a Union Machinist myself but I am only 1.5 years into my career. It’s amazing to see the process and the explanations are top notch.
I really enjoy your videos, what you do is magic to me.
Very impressive presentation! You are on a roll...and deserve it too!
I wish there was a shop as professional as as you guys are in my area. I used to be in the same business in my younger years and wish I would have stayed with it. It cost to much nowadays to get back into it. I have only one good shop in the area and they are always at least 6 weeks or more behind.
My thoughts exactly 👍
All the shops in my area are months out. :/
This is so relaxing watching all the machine work that you guys perform it’s therapeutic as well as educating at the same time very satisfying to watch I appreciate this channel I think more than any other just wish you guys didn’t more performance orientated builds I think would be the only thing
You guys are talented machinist’s! Thanks
I love the slow motion.
I would like to just sit and watch you guy's work just take it all in...
Great videos. With a. Small business in your location do you see a trend of what comes in during different seasons. For example after harvest season might you see an more demand for machining equipment engines rather than car engines.
thank you for presenting the operation so clearly...
instant 2'30" the slowmotion shows quite a bit of flex, clearly visible by eye : how much would that be ?
Did many of these when I WORKED for Massey
I’d love to have an engine shop like yours where I live.
Thank you for sharing all these behind the scenes in a machine shop. I understand indicating at the top of the cylinder to make sure it's centered, and especially checking when you're partially in the bore. How do you make sure you're square with the length of the bore? Just indicating off the other machined surfaces of the block? Cutting that thin I'd have nightmares of being centered at the top and then cutting the block near the bottom of the bore.
This is probably taken care of by the fixture they're using to hold the block.
I just realized PFI Speed is in the same county as yall. What a coincidence. Do yall do work for them?
I hope so.
Same, or can do a colab
I've been interested in machining work for a long time, and now I have a 1 year old son, I was already hoping to start some sort of machining shop some day and pass it on to my son so he can have his own business. I more recently found your channel and really appreciate what you guys are doing. Do you have any suggestions to starting your own machine shop? I am an IT guy for a living and work from home, but my hobbies are more around vehicles, machining, welding, and electronics.
Very cool! Excellent work fellas!
Thanks for sharing your videos.keep em Coming
You guys do good work 👏
Have y'all done valve seats on a Mercedes OM606 diesel head? I have one I need done.
Looks like a great job.
I'm retired now but back in the day I resleeved many engines, mostly d236 and 282 IHC engines. These engines were dry sleeve engines and the sleeves we removed were worn tappered. the engine blocks were also worn tappered, not much but enough to interfer with heat transfer from the sleeve to the block. We honed the block true before selecting the sleeve OD. I have no idea if the Perkins had the same issue but if you get the fit wrong the sleeve will fail quickly. I am curious if your engines have the same issue. enjoyed your video.
We need a pro engine build project on the channel! Something that you and dad can work on together.
I agree…
Idk how many 236’s I overhauled as a former MF mechanic, but quite a few. That engine, and the 180MF may be the toughest ever built.
Loaned out our hydraulic OTC sleeve puller to a farmer doing his own OH once….he got the puck off center and pushed one leg of the bridge clear through the block deck!
I absolutely love the attention to detail. I wish you folks built Harley Davidson Motors….
Great explanation and great content as always. Thanks for sharing.
Pleasure as always my good Sir’s!
oh man what a wobbly machine