The CANCELED Captain America Animated Series - What Went Wrong?
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- In this video, Owen explains the history of the failed 1990s Captain America animated series, the original plans for this show and its place within the Marvel animated universe, and what caused its untimely cancellation.
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I was OBSESSED with the Cap as a kid in the 90s and freaked out when he appeared in Spiderman TAS and also the avengers show.
Would have LOVED for this.
It honestly is kinda frustrating that Cap never felt like he got the respect in the marvel animated format
EMH Captain America was great tho
@@benjaminbarraza8972 ya but again that’s him in a team setting and although he did have a character arc and had his own story he’s never gotten his own series to really focus on his history
Hopefully, Cap focuses on his incredible life and many successes, such as beating Adolf and doesn't get hung up on missed animation opportunities.
Along with Wonder Woman
In the 60 he did
I know I would have LOVED this series back in the day. It was very difficult being an animated Captain America fan back in the day. He only either cameoed or guest starred on other shows. Was always excited when it would happen but I wanted more!
Yuppp. Not even any action figures besides that one line of toys called iconic comic covers or something like that, which I still own mine and the daredevil one.
It took the marvel legends line in the mid 2000s to make these dreams come true.
@@noneofyourbusiness1114 I had a bendable figure of Captain America and that was it. And I never liked those kinds of toys and it was totally out of scale with my other superhero toys so it never felt right playing with it.
A Great Ultimate Captain America ANIMATED MOVIE is on YT for Free rit now! Type in- _ULTIMATE AVENGERS Full Movie._
> Its about the Ultimate Universe, based on _Millar & Hitch's_ "The ULTIMATES' (comcis) initial maxi-series.
Honestly I think a Thor animated series would’ve been pretty awesome too. Imagine Thor exploring different sides of Norse mythology every episode. Think of the different realms as the locations. Characters like: Odin, Sif, warriors three, Loki, Enchantress, executionor, frost giants, elves, dark elves, Sertur, Midgaurd serpent, Hela, and so much more.
They could adapt Thor: God Of Thunder.
This would’ve been perfect in a time when He-Man and Thundercats were popular.
So glad I grew up in the 90s. All the animated stuff is what got me into comics to begin with from Superman , Batman to X-Men & Spider-Man & everything in between. Love your channel. Always bringing insightful information that I'm sure takes you so much time to research. Can't wait for the next one. Keep up the great work and stay safe.
나는 2000년대에 태어났지만 당신이 말한 쇼들과 함께 자랐습니다. 당신이 태어난 해가 문제가 아니라, 만화 미디어 프랜차이즈에서 당신이 가지고 있는 노출에 관한 것입니다.
私はマーベルアニメーションよりもDCアニメーションにずっと精通していました。
しかし、彼らがx-menを復活させているので、彼らがディズニー+のシルバーサーファーシーズン2を作ることを願っています。
the thing is, back then, popular shows were "coincidentally" canceled all the time, for no reason other than being "too expensive", once they managed to reach the number of episodes to go to syndication, at which point they could just coast off of the earning that would rake in, becasue people still CRAVED that show. the show had to be EXCEPTIONALLY POPULAR, AND have a toyline, AND video games to go along with it, for that to not happen.
the only reason that doesnt happen now days, is because "syndication" is no longer really a thing thanks to online streaming, and video on demand.
Tf is syndication?
@@legaltowter9811 it was the ultimate end goal of most tv channels, to make a show that can last long enough to get syndication, it means, that your show is liked by enough people that other channels are willing to pay your channel, for the privlidge of airing your content on their channel, in random timeslots in order to fill out time, until "prime time", the usual thing was 52 episodes, (some were more, few were less) one episode for each week of the year, but again, channels would put these shows on any time they wanted, in any order they wanted, so, back in the day, when shows were only aired once, and then lost forever, you had to hope and prey that if you missed an episode, that it would make it to syndication, and also that you had access to the channel that syndicated it, so that then you had the random crapshoot chance, of being able to see that episode you missed......be happy you dont have to deal with that...
@@stapuft mate, that sounds whack.
So you literally only got 1 chance to see an episode if it wasn't syndicated?
I remember this show driving me mad as a kid. Fox Kids UK had a sizzle reel with some footage and I waited years for it to appear. At that point I had no internet to find out it had been cancelled, so I began thinking I’d imagined it.
Nowadays, I think an animated Cap series would probably work best on streaming, especially if they wanted to set it during World War II. Maybe aim it a little older (more like Young Justice, less like Harley Quinn). Though for it to make it through (much less past) Season One, they'd need to hit so many note correctly, since they wouldn't be reliant on toy sales.
An war themed action packed Cap series would be the fucking tits!
That would be sick! It could be a 24 episode war themed thriller with captain america!
And hopefully, since their bringing the animated x-men back, they'll make a season 2 for silver surfer. Loved that show.
Captain America wasn't the only cancelled Marvel animated universe show. Thor, Ghost Rider and Daredevil were also cancelled.
I grew up then too, but somehow never knew that this show almost existed. As a big Cap fan since childhood, it's really too bad it never happened. Changing his real name to Tommy Tompkins is pretty unnecessary and ridiculous, though.
It would have been a good series but I agree that the only bad thing about the show would be the name change
The problem that a lot of stations would have had, especially back in the 4Kids and coddle cartoon 90s was that you can't really have a Captain America story that's not actually...ABOUT something. They wouldn't even let characters PUNCH each other. You think they want to go anywhere NEAR the symbols and themes that come prepackaged with Cap as standard?
The dc cartoons of that era seemed to get away with alot more than the marvel ones did
Yes they did and it wasnt a 90s thing.
@@rubyr8922 dc could literally get away with anything in animation.
Nazi superman was an episode!
At the end of the 90's Fox Kids Latin American signal announced the series, showing a few seconds of the promo as an advance of next year's cartoon shows.
As a fan of Marvel animation, I really enjoyed this video. Honestly, Marvel animation gives a lot to talk about
Fantastic Four debuted with Iron Man and was a part of the Marvel Action Hour/Action Universe and wasn't a Fox Network show (it was a weekend syndicated animation block).'
It never made sense to me why Captain America never got a solo animated series in the 90s and even in 2010s thanks to the MCU.
I think I have another little piece to the 'Why Cap never got his 90's cartoon' puzzle.
I worked as one of the writers for the Byron Preiss Marvel Prose program in the 90's, and contributed stories to THE ULTIMATE HULK and X-MEN LEGENDS. Originally, the next collection in the series, according to my editor at the time, Steve Roman, was THE ULTIMATE CAPTAIN AMERICA, which was to tie in with a potential new Tom Tanaranowicz cartoon they were prepping for Fox....
However, at the time when the Cap cartoon was proposed, Marvel was still owned by Ron Perlman--and Ron made it VERY clear that he did not want Marvel comics to 'glorify' certain subjects including Nazism. I had already begun outlining my story for THE ULTIMATE CAPTAIN AMERICA, an Invaders story (I LOVE Golden Age comics and was looking forward to writing a period piece) when I was told Perlman put a halt to the project. We shrugged, went onto the next title in the program (FIVE DECADES OF THE X-MEN) and shelved those stories.
Later on, Marvel merged with Toy Biz...by that time, the 'Marvel Animated Universe' was dying out--as was the Byron Preiss Marvel Prose program--and I was instructed to work my Cap/Invaders idea into something for their next collection, FIVE DECADES OF THE AVENGERS...only that didn't happen.
I hope you find this nugget useful.
Thank you for sharing this information, that's very insightful!
90s animated cap looks like the version you see at Universal Studios’ Islands of Adventure. Great video as usual Owen 💙
I remember this series being discussed in an issue of Wizard Magazine. It was in their annual April Fools issue, so I always thought it was a joke.
The test animation looks amazing!
I miss watching these shows when I was younger, Stuff like this and btas etc got me into the actual comics
Is it Just me or does Tommy Tompkins sound more like fake name then Steve Rogers does?
Too bad this series never happened, since Steve has the potential for animated show, full of “g.i joe style” action and adventure.
In fact, I even made a pitch of what could have been this animated show.
So, to quote the Watcher, let’s ponder the question... "What if Captain America TAS was made?"
Season 1: As the creators said, it would take place in the 40’s showing Steve Rogers origin, his relationship with his allies (Bucky, Peggy Carter and the Howling Commandos) and his first battles against villains such as Viper, Baron Von Strucker and, of course Red Skull (the final episode would have Cap stopping Skull from taking over England and their big showdown would happen in the Big Bang).
Season 2: There would be crossovers between Cap and other Golden age heroes (ex: the invaders Union Jack, Red Guardian). He would fight against new villains like Arnim Zola, U-Man, Lady Lotus and Baron Blood (much like Spider man TAS version of Morbius, his name would change to Baron Plasmus).
This season would also have adaptation of the “Cosmic cube arc” with Captain America preventing the Red Skull from destroying five cities around the word to power up the cube, which would give the villain god like powers. In the end the Red Skull would be seemly disappear and be taking out of the show for the moment (much like Green Goblin in Spider Man TAS).
Season 3: It would introduce Baron Zemo as he takes the Red Skull place as the new leader of Hydra and becomes Steve’s recurring enemy through the season, which would all lead to the final episode where Zemo activates the Sleepers, giant robots that he sends to destroy the USA. Captain America and Bucky are able to destroy them, but Bucky disappears in the Sleepers explosion (due to censorship we can’t have characters being killed).
Season 4: After the first 3 episodes focusing on Captain America dealing with the lost of Bucky while working alongside the Six American Warriors (from Spider Man TAS), the series would have a massive shake up and change in the status quo: After a battle against Hydra in a flying fortress, Cap fell into the ocean and was frozen for years until wake up in the modern days... in a world ruled by Hydra and he is the Supreme Leader of the villains.
Confused, Steve would eventually finds out what’s going on: While he was fronzen, Red Skull return, using the small energy of cosmic cube to change himself into Cap and steal his identity, allowing the villain to infiltrate the goverment, eliminate Cap’s allies and slowly take over America, turning it into new Reich.
So now Steve would have to team up with the resistence, which would include Sharon Carter (Peggy’s niece) and the Falcon, and together they would have to find a way to defeat the Captain Skull and his followers, including Bucky, who was brainwash and turn into Hydra assassin (much like Spider man TAS finale "foreshadowed" Spiderverse, this season would basically foreshadow many of Captain America future stories like Winter Soldier and Secret Empire ).
In the end, Captain America and his allies, would be able to free Bucky from Red Skull control and, in turn, he would help Steve steal the cosmic cube and use it’s power to return to the past, stopping the Red Skull’s plan, forcing him to retreat. The series ends with Captain America reunite with his allies, saying that he will continue to fight for this world, and that he is now much more optimistic about the future they will create. The final scene would showcase the new future Captain America created, showing Sharon and Falcon alongside other Marvel heroes, all inspired by Captain America and his heroism.
Cap should have come out at the same time that Hulk came out. I always thought it was weird that The Hulk came out "alone." Everyone else had a "pair". X-Men (1992) paired with Spider-Man (1994). F4 and Iron Man debuted together as the "Marvel Action Hour" in 1994/95. And then, the following year, The Incredible Hulk came out by itself. Then, the next year, everything ended all at once! Silver Surfer wasn't like the rest and didn't belong. Avengers: United They Stand was a desperate attempt to replicate the X-Men, but also budget and with no compelling stories or struggles. So once X-Men and Spider-Man ended, everything else just....wasn't it.
I actually really like silver surfer.
Hope they make a season 2 for disney+
Great video, Owen. I always knew about the existence of this unproduced Marvel animated series, but this video reveals so much more behind the scenes conflict and creative source material liberties that I didn't even know about. There's an unproduced 1999 Daredevil animated series as well. Also, I love X-Men: Evolution, Spectacular Spider-Man, Wolverine and the X-Men, and Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
Well on the plus side, that animation looked a little better than those last few episodes of X-Men: TAS. Still awaiting a video on Silver Surfer's series. One of Marvel's most ambitious and underrated.
Funny enough, the animation in those later X-men episodes that so many people didn't like was actually better and smoother than what people had become used to. It's practically identical to the animation for season 2 of Iron Man and Fantastic Four yet as much people love those two shows second seasons, they seem to hate the look of those X-men episodes.
@@popeye697 Towards about the third season, the animation of X-Men picked up significantly. To watch the opening storyline - Out of the past - you can see how smooth it is. Just in comparison to the previous final episodes of season two.
The issue many had with the latter "season five", in comparison it looked cheap. Some character models were very wonky EG Magneto, Gambit and Jean Grey. It wasn't just the animation. The colouring was off. It messed up the continuity of the show even more than it already was. For example, Cannonball makes his first appearance. Although he already appeared and looked very different earlier in the show.
So no, it wasn't an improvement. In context to the rest of the show. It worked for Iron Man and FF. Because that was an upgrade on their first season animation. Even then, some like Human Torch, still looked and moved strangely.
Loved the 90s Marvel cartoons, the theme tunes in particular remain iconic to this day...by the way, any chance of a vid on Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends some day, please...?
The 90's was the best era to live. Everything was awesome. Cartoons, music and lifestyle was the best time in history.
but...no streaming.
As a Captain America crazed youth in the 90's (thanks in part to a VHS copy of the Marvel Super-Heroes serials and the 90's Live Action Movie. Never really read any of the comics until after First Avenger came out), I probably would have loved this show if it had come to fruition. But given the reasons you stated, it probably would have been better if it didn't
Ah the Marvel animated universe. The best way to stop someone who's kissing the butt of Disney & The MCU in their tracks. As most people keep trying to push the lie that MARVEL was literally nothing until Disney "saved" them. It's like there is no way they missed the MCAU and its awesomeness. Heck in 90s-2010s on some channels DCAU & MAU would be shown back to back.
That being said my favorite surprisingly is a show that proceeded that universe "Spiderman and his Amazing Friends".
I love the MAU, and my first intro to Cap was in his crossover with Spidey on his show, so for me I would've loved to have seen Cap get his own show!
I loved these shows growing up. Iron Man was always my favorite. I loved the intro with him pounding out his armors with the heavy metal guitar. I wish we could've seen Cap. But I'm glad they waited until Avengers EMH to give him the full treatment.
I’ve always been sad we never got any kind of Invaders related movie or show. Such a cool time period for the Marvel Universe.
Born in '84 I was blessed to get to see the golden age of cartoons. Not just comics cartoons, but even Marvin the Martian & TMNT etc
Pity it didn't happen as Captain America was depicted so well in Avengers Earths mightiest heroes the cartoon.
Their mistake lied in the fact they chose to do the show as a period piece. They should've set it in the modern day and referred to the Nazis as Fifth Columnists. Cap has just as many villains in the present than he did in the Golden Age.
Tommy Tompkins definitely my favorite Marvel Superhero
Cap: All I wanted was a theme song...Something with a Guitar solo!
Wolverine: Wanna Jam? 🎸
Spidey: Yeah...join us Cap! We got some jams for you!
This was really interesting, I never knew of this potential series, and I think it would have been better than United They Stand, and Spider-Man Unlimited
Owen please do a video on the cancelled Deadpool animated show on FX 🙏😁
Spiderman and X-Men are still great and everyone should watch them.
He should have an animated series. It can start in World War 2 then go to modern day. He was in Spider-Man .
I remember Wizard Magazine briefly discussing the Captain America series....then slowly...and quietly....faded into obscurity in favor of the new Silver Surfer series at the time. Thank you for your coverage and revealing the mystery of our favorite Soldier!
I feel that now it would be another opportunity for the Captain America series that they could revive it just as Xmen returned, the animated series Disney has intentions of resuming more shows that were canceled
The Avengers United and Silver Surfer series ruined any future Marvel Cartoons. These two series were horrible and where not based on the actual comic stories.
I like to see an Captain America cartoon show that would kick ass. 😀👍
Man I just wish the Silver Surfer cartoon had continued. I loved that show.
Imagine if this show aired and lasted till 2001 I wonder how they would of handled such an event
Great Video. Could you please talk about the Avengers EMH cartoon. Would love to watch a video on that.
I came to LA in my 20's to storyboard on this! I actually did a board based on a loose outline. It was set in WW 2 and he was fighting Nazis. I loved it at the time. Shame it didnt go anywhere.
Captain America threw his mighty shield
At least I am old enough to have watched the animated series of the capt.
"when captain America throws his mighty shieeeld" 🎶
Great video!
Great vid as always!!
I would have loved to have seen Ghost Rider hit the small screen.
It wasn’t really a “Marvel Animated Universe,” Marvel. Ever got an interconnected universe like DC
Captain America guest stared in the 1980's Spider-man series as well as Spider-man and his Amazing Friends.
minute 11...all 3 amazing shows that were canceled waaaaay too soon! Disney+ please bring them back for 1 more season each! 🙏🏾
Actually, The 90's 'Fantastic Four' cartoon aired in syndication with the 'Iron Man' series.
The Fantastic 4 was NOT on Fox Kids. It was televised in syndication.
I had literally no idea this even existed. Would love for the Deadpool and Marvel Era shows to be covered later.
Spiderman unlimited/the new animated series will never be forgotten. Super underrated series.
I was so hyped reading about it in Wizard magazine.
And wondered why it never happened.
Love to see what they did make.
I would've loved a captain america series not only could have modern day refrences but you could use the show to introduce many lesser known golden age charaters like the invaders, and the liberaty legion, the destroyer, silver scorpion, blazing skull, and citizen v
Earths mightiest heroes cartoon really portrayed Cap well, to bad they cancelled it to promote there films
I really feel that if Tim Allen had signed on to do the voice of Captain America, it would have made it to television. And done very well👍
Mabey it just me but I don't think if a captain America show was made it wouldn't be good. He just doesn't have Manny iconoc villains or stories. Sure there's red skull and hydra but most people couldn't name 5 cap villains
I would've loved this. Cap has been my favorite superhero since I was 10 years old. EMH is my favorite cartoon because Cap was always the highlight of every episode for me and I loved that he actually felt like a man out of time.
@Owens like comics great channel and video.
As kid from the 1990's No Captain America cartoon this really sucks.
After all the 1990s had great superhero cartoons from Spider🕷️Man and Batman, even the
Incredible hulk and Fantastic Four, one season of Silver Surfer
Forgot X Men and Superman cartoon s
A part of me feels as we were rob of seeing a captain america show but tbh the only marvel character I would wanna see given the animated treatment is daredevil for he can work well almost in the same vein as batman tas and spectacular spider-man
Bro can you make a video on why daredevil animated series cancelled in 90's
There was a Daredevil cartoon?
There was going to be but it got cancelled.
Didn't know Captain America's real name is Tommy Tompkins
Does that name mean something?
What was the purpose for doing this?
@@TreborPaulson probably just to be different and give him a secret identity, since everyone in the comics knows who he is, it makes writing stories about his personal life more difficult, because there’s no character difference between him as Steve and him as a Cap. The comics just went back to giving him a life as Steve in the most recent Captain America issue that released last week.
The fact that Captain America never got his own cartoon was a sad, yet expected fact of the character. After all, how are you supposed to market a hero clad in the American flag to an international audience? Ever wonder why Cap seems to be constantly second banana to Iron Man in animated adaptations, despite being team leader in the comics? There you go. Not to mention the issue of having actual Nazis as the primary antagonists in a kids’ show...
I feel that now it would be another opportunity for the Captain America series that they could revive it just as Xmen returned, the animated series Disney has intentions of resuming more shows that were canceled
even john semper mentioned a few days ago that he intends to finish the spiderman series, just wait for them to call him
They should've just made Captain America the animated series instead of Avengers United they stand
I Want the 1966 Marvel Super Heroes Capt. America on DVD. Great Dialog.
It be cool to see Cap and Logan meet in the present. I get why Spiderman picked Storm but Wolverine would of been cooler lol.
an animated captain america show woulda been so cool
Given all those changes they were going to make, I honestly think it's for the best we never got that show, especially with them not being able to incorporate the nazis into it, and I don't think that restriction would be any different today. Here's hoping that some day we can get a teen or adult aimed Captain America series set in WWII, whether it be 2D animated, 3D animated, or live action.
I know they're bringing back Xmen TAS which brought a tear to my eyes but I really hope they bring back Spiderman TAS then remake a different Iron Man TAS, Captain America TAS etc... Building a new MAU... Something different from the MCU but similar enough taking more from the comics. Id personally redcon the last episode of the xmen.
I dunno if this could also be a factor, but by the time these Marvel cartoons ended, anime was starting to become popular and, aside from the financial issues, maybe Marvel was struggling with a change in market?
Great to see more content from you
I wish cap and thor got their own animated series just like the others
Fun Fact: Another canceled Marvel show involved Thor. It was going to have male Super Model Fabio do the voice of the titular character.
Seriously?! Fabio? I’m not sure what to make of that idea
@@Dhampir101980 "I can´t believe is not Loki"
Can you talk about the cancelled daredevil cartoon please
Captain America is favorite hero, no cartoon on him in the 1990's really sucks
😭😤😠🤬😡👎
I think it is time that Marvel makes a (CAPTAIN AMERICA) cartoon show series.
Or maybe make a cartoon show series about (CAPTAIN SUPREME) the sorcerer soldier.
Catchy theme songs? "Go for four! Fantastic Four!"? did you actually listen to this song?
well, he is in X-men Evolution & obviously in modern Avengers shows
The Tony Thompkins thing was completely pointless, lol. "Captain America" is already his codename, and Tony Thompkins sounds way more outlandish and cartoony than "Steve Rogers".
Tommy Tompkins? Really? Ouch.
Cool video.
I really looking forward to that cartoon
Man the fact that there hasn't been a modern animated series at all for Captain FUCKING America / THOR????!!!!!! -- I'm a person who absolutely adores the 1966 Cartoons for both characters.. but SPIDERMAN has.. 10 MARVEL ANIMATED CARTOONS... IRONMAN HAS 4.. AND NOT ONE MODERNIZED ANIMATED CARTOON FOR the CAPTAIN & for THOR????!!!!!
I had never heard about this proposed series before. Interesting stuff, thanks Owen!
7:56
The nazi issue would be solved if the producers did the same strategy avengers EMH producers did, putting hydra in place of the nazi army
8:34 Who on earth drew this picture of a deformed captain America?
Huh.
He would have been a merchabdising success
People didn't lose interest in these shows, it's just the writing on many got lazy and so did animation production values. Everything after x men, was garbage they only decent cartoon was Earth's mightiest avengers, stayed true to original
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Rogue from X-Men TAS is best girl, that's my comment.
A WWII set Captain America that can't mention the Nazis... what would have been the point.
I would have watched this .