Tolstoy'un Kreutzer Sonat isimli kitabını okuduktan sonra dinlemek daha bir farklı. Kitabın ana teması ve gerçekçiliğinin bu büyük bir eserle tam tamına uyuşması beni çok etkilemişti. (Y)
Şimdi Kroyçer Sonat'ı okuyorum hemde dinliyorum adeta müzikle birlikte okununca hipnoz etkisi oluşturdu böylesi etkiyi beklemiyordum sanırım sanat amacına ulaştığında bu hissedilir çok sevdim...
I. First movement (adagio sostenuto 00:01/ presto 04:05) II. Second movement ([F major] andante con variazioni) I. First variation: lively triple meter with trills 13:05 II. Second variation 15:21 III. Third variation (F minor): darker and more meditative state 18:49 IV. Fourth variation: it recalls the first and second ones 22:04 V. Fifth variation (F major): slower and more dramatic feel, becoming romantic in the end 24:49 III. Third movement (presto) 27:41
Romanı ilk kez yaklaşık elli yıl önce okumuştum. Yıllar sonra müzik eşliğinde tekrar okumak çok farklı bir duygu. Fazıl ve Patricia'nın uyumu mükemmel. Teşekkürler... 🌹
When UA-cam suggests a video with Patricia Kopatchinskaja playing a piece of music I know well, I'm never sure whether I'm going to like what she does with it or not. But I'm always sure I won't be bored.
@@curaticac5391 There are some parts of it I like, some parts I don't. It's very different from how most people play the piece, but that's what makes Patricia Kopatchinskaja interesting to listen to. She defies convention and does things her own way.
I love this energetic interpretation. They follow the notation perfectly. I feel that Beethoven would approve. Everyone doesn't have to imitate Oistrakh.
Climbing Skins Dear Climbing Skins< My complaint with so many musicians is that they feel compelled to imitate the greatest artists, and, with violinists, Heifitiz in particular. If I didn't have to accommodate students aping the Kopanchiskaya/Say performance, I would laugh. I disagree to your claim that Beethoven himself would approve. Maybe future neurotics will champion tempi beyond orbits, balanced by human nakedness. Thank you; we are reminded of the upside-down violin intermezzo during the premiere of the Beethoven Concerto! Score for you! All Best, Eduard Laurel
Bir eser kişiden kişiye farklı duygular uyandırır. Tolstoy'un Kreutzer Sonat'ında bir eserin bir erkek üzerinde kıskançlık duygusunu kamçılamasını ve şehveti uyandırmasını okuyoruz, Beethoven'in sonat'ında eser bana yer yer depolanmış bir enerjiyi baskılamayı, bazen serbest bırakmayı, kimi zaman huzuru ve sakinliği hissettirdi. Belki de Pozdnyshev' de uyandırdığı duyguların sebebi Beethoven'in sonatı'nın şehveti çağrıştırması değil Pozdnyshev'in duygulanımına yol açan her şeyin kıskançlık duygusuna dönüşmesi ve benliğinde dizginlemeye çalıştığı duyguların müzik ile çoşup taşmasıdır. Belki de müzik, kilitli kutulara sakladığımızı sandığımız, baskıladığımız duyguların su gibi akıp gitmesine vesile olan bir anahtardır.
I have been inspired by this violinist. Because of Patricia, I use emotion, passion, and soul in my performances. I love the way she plays. Everything is just perfect.
Nasıl anlatsam size? Müzik kendimi, gerçek durumumu unutturuyor bana. Kendimin olmayan, bambaşka bir dünyaya götürüyor beni. Müziğin etkisi altındayken gerçekte hissetmediğim şeyleri hissediyormuşum, anlamadığım şeyleri anlıyormuşum, yapamadığım şeyleri yapıyormuşum gibi geliyordu bana. Bunu ben müziğin, esneme ya da gülmenin yaptığı etkiyi yapmasıyla açıklıyorum: Uykum yok, ama esneyenlere baktıkça ben de esniyorum; ortada gülecek bir şey yok, ama gülenleri gördükçe ben de gülüyorum. Kroyçer Sonat-Lev Tolstoy
It's unbelievable that 600,000 people saw it and only 10,000 liked it, those who didn't like it don't know anything about Beethoven, because the performance was impeccable, and Patkop's violin was, as always, magical.
Escuchaba hace ya 38 años la interpretación de la sonata Kreutzer de la colección Salvat, me cautivó siendo un niño de 4 años. Al paso de los años esta fue parte de mi vida en esos momento importantes y tan únicas. Hoy al escuchar esta interpretación de estos genios, mi alma renace en cada acorde, me uno a mis padres cada vez que la escucho. La mejor interpretación que he visto y escuchado
Some might say that this performance is too passionate, some might say it is rushed, or even dare to say words like it is raw, but to me it is the soul of a man poured into a single performance who has never known any kind of peace in his entire life, just experienced pain, unfulfilledness, doubt and misery, but gave the rest of us such joy and pleasure that cannot be described with our mundane mortal words...
I've never heard this sonata played with such electricity and bravura. Patricia is, to use a cliche, a breath of fresh air: anyone who hasn't heard her performance of the violin concerto (here on UA-cam) should drop everything and do so. Fazil Say on piano gives her wonderful support in this eccentric and memorable rendition. Thank you so much for sharing it with us.
Is presto.. but... is so fast and she plays with bravura, is the first time I listen this performance... is a little slowly...but she plays with bravura..
The pianist & violinist show astounding craftsmanship in this sonata. The duo performed with great vitality, the tempo was always in unison. A scherzo version with delightful intonation, technical brilliance melodic sound of harmony and beauty.
Her duyguyu kalbimde hissettim. Yüreğinize sağlık. Ruhum size büyük bir teşekkür borçlu... Kısa bir eleştiri: Dünya'da trend olan, olduğu sanılan müzikler aslında sadece süslü bir tabakta önümüze sunulanlardan ibaret. Tamamen ticari, sanatsız, dolayısıyla emeksiz projeler... Maalesef bu iki değerli üstadın hayat verdikleri, muhteşem eserdeki gibi müzikleri kendimiz talep ederek buluyor ve dinliyoruz. Bu müzikler daha çok hayatımıza girmeli, acilen!
Ahmet Ümit'in "Sultanı Öldürmek" kitabı sayesinde Tolstoy'un Kreutzer Sonat'ını öğrenmek, Tolstoy sayesinde Beethoven'ın aynı isimli nadide eserini Fazıl Say'dan dinleyebilmek... Edebiyat ve müzik gerçekten mükemmel bir şey.
Senelerdir bıkmadan usanmadan dinlerim. Niyeyse hiç yorum yapmamışım. O kadar güzel bir parça ki insanın ta iliklerine işliyor. İkilinin uyumu da çok güzel. Sırf Fazıl Say Türk diye değil, en çok bu ikilinin çalışını beğendiğim için bunu dinliyorum. En çok 12:49-13:02 arasını beğeniyorum, harika.
Müziğin hızlanması Kroyçer Sonat'da Pozdnişev'in karısıyla ilgili kafasında kurduğu düşüncelerin birden alevlenmesi, karısıyla yaptığı tartışmaların şiddeti; durulması ise Pozdnişev'in düşüncelerinin yatışması, tartışmalarının tatlıya bağlanmasıdır.
@@leylak5653 sanırım bunu yapması da kafasındaki düşüncelerin verdiği ağırlıkla bir rahatlama, duygularını boşaltma ve belkide kendi içindeki katharsis'i yaşamasıydı. Birde okurda uyandırdığı o rahatlama, korku veya acıma duygusunun fiziksel bir sebebi de olabilir.
Tolstoy burada müziği eleştiriyor.O dönemdeki aile hayatınlarına nasıl bir etkisi olduğunu söylüyor.Gerçekten eşi aldatıyor mu? Ve ayrıca Tolstoy kadının konumunu da açıklıyor ataerkil bir düşünceye sahip.Evet öldürmesi bi nevi İçindeki o nefreti söndürüyor ama sonrasına pişman oluyor galiba.Bence her ne kadar aldatsa da boşanabilirdi herkes kendi yoluna giderdi.Bence günümüz evlilere de bir ders niteliği taşıyor
@@leylak5653 dediklerinize katılıyorum yazar o dönemki aile yapısını çok güzel göstermiş, Rusyada kadınlar her zaman aşağılanmıştır, kadının görevi ya bir işçi ya bir anne ya da evin yöneticisi (evle uğraşan). Lev Tolstoy kendisi zaten ataerkil izinden giden bir insan bunu Anna Karenina eserinde bizzat görebiliriz, kadının görevinin yalnızca ailesine yönelmesi ve çocuklarına eşine sadık olması gerektiğini düşünüyordu. Günümüzde kadının konumu yükseldi olarak görülse de Rusya'da hala kadına değersiz olduklarını hissettiriyorlar, bu da genlerle insandan insana geçiyor sanırım
@@jordokkk 🙏teşekkür ederim evet anna merak ettiğim bir roman ama onda da ataerkil düşüncesini olduğunu söylediğiniz için romana bakış açım olumsuzlaştı biraz ama yine de okuyacağım.Tolstoy her ne kadar ataerkil düşüncesine sahip olsa da eserleri okunmaya değer bence.
Fantastic! The best performance of the Kreutzer I've ever heard. The tempi were great. And there was a feeling of freedom, of spontaneity in their playing. Bravo!
The Kreutzer sonata,,being one of the most complex, most multidimesional in feeling and musicianship of all Ludwig van works, deserves all kind of intrepretations. Every couple of artists play it as they feel it. This Kopatchinskaya /Say version have all the vitality, mistery (second movement) and expression that it deserves. As for meaning of the work, it reflects probably a lot of hidden frustrations and desires of Ludwig Van. For those interested about it, read the Tolstoy's novel "The Kreutzer Sonata"
jchenergy I saw a wonderful dramatic production of Tolstoy's novella years ago. The music was played very fittingly at different points throughout the play. I was already familiar with the sonata, but Tolstoy's version was new to me.
"The Kreutzer sonata,,being one of the most complex, most multidimesional in feeling and musicianship of all Ludwig van works" It's not even in the top 10 of Ludwig "my firends call me Louis" van B's most complex works.. Check out the late quartets, piano sonatas, the 9th, the Missa Solemnis. Not dissing the Kreutzer here. Far from it. But in his last decade, LvB became a MONSTER. And to those who think I'm using the word "monster" for effect only : I'm not.
This is one of my favorite music videos period, the 1st movement which is all I care about. I watched all the other Kreutzers and I like this more than the others. Arousing every second.
Dear "Fazıl Say", thanks for your several uploads. I already heard some of your works /presentations, such as: "Istanbul Symphony", "NAZIM ORATORIO", "Beethoven's Appassionata" etc. All are perfect. Espessialy for "Appassionata", I wrote my positive comments, you can see it. For the present performance, I will repeat the comment of "oyfoss2": "Beethoven will love it !!"---Regards from Greece---
Kopatchinskaja and Fazil Say are playing beautifully. I really enjoyed and would love to hear them more. Wishing them successfully in their way of art.
Espeluznante!! Es la belleza, es la pasión, es la fuerza... ...es el genio de Beethoven al unísono y en vivo, con toda la sangre y como regalo por parte de estos dos maravillosos artistas, Patricia Kopatchinskaja y Fazil Say... En fin... ...hay obras tan únicas y hermosas, que tan sólo se pueden decir con un piano y un violín.
Kreutzer is one of my favorites and have listened it from numerous artists so far. Yet, this has been clearly the most vigorous and joyable one for me. I am not a professional to judge these performances from a point of musician but as a listener, I can say that this wonderful interpretation helped me understand the passion of Ludwig van Beethoven.
To all those trashers of these two great artists: obviously you have no idea how artists let go of control of their physical gestures once they start playing and getting lost in the magic of music. If you think they would be embarrassed to watch themselves on tape you are sorely mistaken. These are genuine performance artists, they learned to let themselves embraced by the rhythm and the score of the music they play a long time ago and not to care about what dimwits think about their facial or bodily gestures. This is, without doubt, one of the greatest performances of the Kreutzer Sonata. If you cannot stand to see what you term as ''excessive dramatic gestures'' then I suggest you ''listen to'' the performance, rather than watch it. This way you may be able to enjoy an extraordinarily spectacular rendering of this great piece, that is, if you have any appreciation of quality music.
I agree when I get into playing my instruments in public I used to holdback but I sounded horrible but when I let loose people tell me to not stop playing
Go Patricia and Fazil! Roaring and outrageous! All the emotions of a man stunned and frantic after being betrayed by a lover... emotions swinging back and forth from tenderness to fury to distress... to acceptance... to joy, 'hey, I'm free again!' Brilliant! Congratulations!
Surely, played the way Beethoven would have liked his Kreutzer Sonata to sound AND for its player to look when playing it! A super-great classical music video!
Wer das Glück hat, diese Aufnahme zu hören, wohnt einer kammermusiklischen Sternstunde bei. Geigerin und Pianist geben ihr Äußerstes, um der Größe und der Tiefe Bethovens gerecht zu werden. Allein der Umgang der Geigerin mit dem Vibrato könnte Lehrbücher füllen. Wie größte Kraft, ja Wildheit und intimste Zartheit sich begegnen, ist phänomenal. Eine große Stunde, von der man sagen möchte: Verweile doch, du bist so schön!
Great, profound performance of this incredibly difficult work. Difficult in so many ways, yet these two are up to the challenge, presenting a Beethoven with all the residue of "tradition" of the last 200 years scraped away, leaving only the pure unadulterated essence of this extraordinary music. It's difficult to take, just as it should be, just as life itself is. Beethoven never made things easy.
The performers read the Beethoven's mind and replaying that beautiful mind. Their waving of bodies help them to understand and transmit it to audience .ore effective.
The more I listen to Patricia and Fazil, the more I want to throw to the dustbin all the other versions I have of the Kreutzer, I'm sure Ludwig is on my side!!!!!!!
Fantastic vitality! These two can do anthing they want with their musical skills. Very refreshing to see some creativity in interpretation and still adherence to the musical line.
Pocas veces encontré tanta solvencia y tanto dominio del instrumento en una violinista, en el pianista y en una dupla de músicos como ustedes. Creo que desde el punto de vista de la interpretación han elegido intensionalmente llevar el mensaje de fuerza y pasión que encierra esta música hasta llegar al extremo de manera que surgen ya sentimientos de bronca, agresividad y descarga emocional que a mi criterio y sensibilidad, la exceden un poco. Pero es una versión arrolladora y vertiginosa a mas no poder. Los finales de frase en los movimientos rápidos son extremadamente cortos, violentos y sucios la mayoría de las veces en el violín. Oigo que el violín está soportando el límite de presión y velocidad y el sonido es distorcionado muchas veces, por el mismo toque. Hecho que no sucede con el piano, ya que no puede tocar sucio, aunque sí toque bien corto. Hay una variedad de ideas magistralmente coordinadas, toques y tempi tan contrastantes a distancias tan corta de tiempo, acentos exagerados y repentinos que aportan demasiada inestabilidad emocional al borde de la locura. ¡Parece casi una obra contemporánea! Pero atrapa por la energía, explosividad, convicción absoluta y dominio artístico-virtuosístico de ambos músicos. Una versión diferente, espectacular, extrema, límite, loca, viva, emotiva y emocionante, con cambios y agregados, y también es coherente en sí misma, fina, impecable, acabada y completa. ¡Bravo! ¡Felicitaciones! y ¡Gracias!
leidenschaftlich, energisch, grossartig, wunderbar, einzig, über sich selber hinausgewachsen - beide verkörpern musik in unverwechselbarer selbstverständlichkeit !
Mr. Fazil and Patricia, thanks for giving us back this supernatural sonata that years of the traditional formula had distorted from its original tempo and savagery.
"Even a trained Carnatic classical musician" even? why you shouldn't? :) you are a human being and a trained musician (I appreciate carnatic classical music as well). it could be more difficult if you weren't a trained musician or a close minded man :) bests from Italy
Здорово! Столько страсти, эмоций, сопереживания. И, конечно, технически блестяще. Настоящее современное творческое прочтение, без всякой архивной пыли. Поздравляю!
Wow! It is hard to describe what I feel about this performance. We all have heard how Beethoven composed his sonatas for violin and piano, and how they were equal partners. Yet I always felt that the violin could not achieve the same power and fire we associate with Beethoven until now. Bravo!
Majestuosa interpretacion, hoy Joshua Bell y Yuja Wang son de lo mejor en el universo en sus respectivos instrumentos. BRAVISIMO, hermosa y emotiva, que presentación!!!
I had the opportunity to see them in a concert. Both Fazil Say and Patricia Kopatchinskaja are Maestros. The expression of Fazil while playing the Piano is also unique. I completely agree that Beethoven and Tolstoy would enjoy so much this passionate interpretation.
My pardon to other commentators, but I must say superlative. A marvelous musical marriage. The music is full of drama, tenderness, and joy - all beautifully revealed. Give me more such commitment. Remember music is created on the tips of seconds - once and done; no chance to repaint, rebuild, or rewrite. A second of time and then gone. I am deeply grateful to those performers who have the courage to stand up and give their all. I can only say Bravo! Bravo! They should make the rest of us humble.
This is by far one of my favorite performances of this piece, but I was sad to see ads every 3 minutes. It made it very hard to enjoy such a beautiful performance.
Someone directed me to this performance as a 'controversial' one. But I found nothing controversial here. Vigorous, energetic, imaginative, true to the intention of the composer - yes, all of that and much more. At the same time, thoroughly entertaining and satisfying.
Patricia and Fazil. Vibração e entusiasmo na magnífica interpretação aliada a técnica impecável. Parabéns por poderem sentir Beethoven e toda a dificuldade de fazer a Kreutzer.
Tolstoy'un Kreutzer Sonat isimli kitabını okuduktan sonra dinlemek daha bir farklı. Kitabın ana teması ve gerçekçiliğinin bu büyük bir eserle tam tamına uyuşması beni çok etkilemişti. (Y)
ismail mert bunların üzerine birde Immortal Beloved filmini izlemenizi öneririm.
Merve Kılıç Teşekkür ederim öneriniz için.
Yolculuk yaparken ayrı bir hoş olmuştu. Sanki olaylar besteden fırlamış yazıya dökülmüş gibi.
Pozdnişev😁
Thank you Kanye, Very Cool.
unglaublich, visionär, kompromisslos.Ein emotionales Ereignis. Endlich eine Interpretation, welche den Geist Beethovens voll ausschöpft. Wunderbares Duo.
Şimdi Kroyçer Sonat'ı okuyorum hemde dinliyorum adeta müzikle birlikte okununca hipnoz etkisi oluşturdu böylesi etkiyi beklemiyordum sanırım sanat amacına ulaştığında bu hissedilir çok sevdim...
Harika bir roman Harika bir sanat eseri
I. First movement (adagio sostenuto 00:01/ presto 04:05)
II. Second movement ([F major] andante con variazioni)
I. First variation: lively triple meter with trills 13:05
II. Second variation 15:21
III. Third variation (F minor): darker and more meditative state 18:49
IV. Fourth variation: it recalls the first and second ones 22:04
V. Fifth variation (F major): slower and more dramatic feel, becoming romantic in the end 24:49
III. Third movement (presto) 27:41
Romanı ilk kez yaklaşık elli yıl önce okumuştum. Yıllar sonra müzik eşliğinde tekrar okumak çok farklı bir duygu. Fazıl ve Patricia'nın uyumu mükemmel. Teşekkürler... 🌹
Böyle bir sanatçının Türk olması muhteşem bir şey çok gurur verici ❤️
When UA-cam suggests a video with Patricia Kopatchinskaja playing a piece of music I know well, I'm never sure whether I'm going to like what she does with it or not. But I'm always sure I won't be bored.
Completely agree!
But would you agree with her rendition? I am not a musician and I find it very expressive and passionate but cannot judge more than that... .
@@curaticac5391 There are some parts of it I like, some parts I don't. It's very different from how most people play the piece, but that's what makes Patricia Kopatchinskaja interesting to listen to. She defies convention and does things her own way.
@@Chamtechie Thank you very much!
I love this energetic interpretation. They follow the notation perfectly.
I feel that Beethoven would approve. Everyone doesn't have to imitate Oistrakh.
Climbing Skins
Dear Climbing Skins<
My complaint with so many musicians is that they feel compelled to imitate the greatest artists, and, with violinists, Heifitiz in particular.
If I didn't have to accommodate students aping the Kopanchiskaya/Say performance, I would laugh.
I disagree to your claim that Beethoven himself would approve. Maybe future neurotics will champion tempi beyond orbits, balanced by human nakedness.
Thank you; we are reminded of the upside-down violin intermezzo during the premiere of the Beethoven Concerto!
Score for you!
All Best,
Eduard Laurel
How would Beethoven approve. He wouldn't hear it
Oistrakh the best with Kogan
@@EduardLaurel ok Eduard
setuju
Bir eser kişiden kişiye farklı duygular uyandırır. Tolstoy'un Kreutzer Sonat'ında bir eserin bir erkek üzerinde kıskançlık duygusunu kamçılamasını ve şehveti uyandırmasını okuyoruz, Beethoven'in sonat'ında eser bana yer yer depolanmış bir enerjiyi baskılamayı, bazen serbest bırakmayı, kimi zaman huzuru ve sakinliği hissettirdi. Belki de Pozdnyshev' de uyandırdığı duyguların sebebi Beethoven'in sonatı'nın şehveti çağrıştırması değil Pozdnyshev'in duygulanımına yol açan her şeyin kıskançlık duygusuna dönüşmesi ve benliğinde dizginlemeye çalıştığı duyguların müzik ile çoşup taşmasıdır. Belki de müzik, kilitli kutulara sakladığımızı sandığımız, baskıladığımız duyguların su gibi akıp gitmesine vesile olan bir anahtardır.
I have been inspired by this violinist. Because of Patricia, I use emotion, passion, and soul in my performances. I love the way she plays. Everything is just perfect.
These two are perfect to pair for this sonata and it's tempo because they both seem to enjoy playing fast and are doing extremely well at it.
The most passionate music Beethoven ever wrote, and this outstanding duo got it perfectly right. A marvelous performance.
Tolstoy un kitabı getirdi beni buraya
Nasıl anlatsam size? Müzik kendimi, gerçek durumumu unutturuyor bana. Kendimin olmayan, bambaşka bir dünyaya götürüyor beni. Müziğin etkisi altındayken gerçekte hissetmediğim şeyleri hissediyormuşum, anlamadığım şeyleri anlıyormuşum, yapamadığım şeyleri yapıyormuşum gibi geliyordu bana. Bunu ben müziğin, esneme ya da gülmenin yaptığı etkiyi yapmasıyla açıklıyorum: Uykum yok, ama esneyenlere baktıkça ben de esniyorum; ortada gülecek bir şey yok, ama gülenleri gördükçe ben de gülüyorum.
Kroyçer Sonat-Lev Tolstoy
abi sen mahvolmuşsun
Sayfa 85 :) (İş Bankası Kültür Yayınları)
It's unbelievable that 600,000 people saw it and only 10,000 liked it, those who didn't like it don't know anything about Beethoven, because the performance was impeccable, and Patkop's violin was, as always, magical.
Escuchaba hace ya 38 años la interpretación de la sonata Kreutzer de la colección Salvat, me cautivó siendo un niño de 4 años. Al paso de los años esta fue parte de mi vida en esos momento importantes y tan únicas. Hoy al escuchar esta interpretación de estos genios, mi alma renace en cada acorde, me uno a mis padres cada vez que la escucho. La mejor interpretación que he visto y escuchado
Wonderful how she breathes freshness and vitality into all she plays even if we have heard it a hundred times
Some might say that this performance is too passionate, some might say it is rushed, or even dare to say words like it is raw, but to me it is the soul of a man poured into a single performance who has never known any kind of peace in his entire life, just experienced pain, unfulfilledness, doubt and misery, but gave the rest of us such joy and pleasure that cannot be described with our mundane mortal words...
@Levente Molnár Bravo for your wonderful comment, I AGREE! Patricia and Fazil are extraordinary and HONEST!
I've never heard this sonata played with such electricity and bravura. Patricia is, to use a cliche, a breath of fresh air: anyone who hasn't heard her performance of the violin concerto (here on UA-cam) should drop everything and do so. Fazil Say on piano gives her wonderful support in this eccentric and memorable rendition. Thank you so much for sharing it with us.
Is presto.. but... is so fast and she plays with bravura, is the first time I listen this performance... is a little slowly...but she plays with bravura..
ComposerInUK
Try Bartok/Szigeti for the same electricity but more control from the violinist.
I was suprised the violin wasn't broken in the first presto.
ComposerInUK - whose name is...?
Profound, fierce, passionate, outspoken… Beethoven comes to life!
The pianist & violinist show astounding craftsmanship in this sonata. The duo performed with great vitality, the tempo was always in unison. A scherzo version with delightful intonation, technical brilliance melodic sound of harmony and beauty.
Ungemein lebendige und packende Interpretation! 😲😲😲
Bestimmt.
Her duyguyu kalbimde hissettim. Yüreğinize sağlık. Ruhum size büyük bir teşekkür borçlu...
Kısa bir eleştiri:
Dünya'da trend olan, olduğu sanılan müzikler aslında sadece süslü bir tabakta önümüze sunulanlardan ibaret. Tamamen ticari, sanatsız, dolayısıyla emeksiz projeler... Maalesef bu iki değerli üstadın hayat verdikleri, muhteşem eserdeki gibi müzikleri kendimiz talep ederek buluyor ve dinliyoruz. Bu müzikler daha çok hayatımıza girmeli, acilen!
OMG.....Mind....Blown....This was incredible. I don't want to listen to the other vanilla performances any more!
Same thought, this is the perfect version
Ahmet Ümit'in "Sultanı Öldürmek" kitabı sayesinde Tolstoy'un Kreutzer Sonat'ını öğrenmek, Tolstoy sayesinde Beethoven'ın aynı isimli nadide eserini Fazıl Say'dan dinleyebilmek... Edebiyat ve müzik gerçekten mükemmel bir şey.
I think you mean “rarely heard.”
Beautiful!!!. Amazing!!! Heavenly!!!, Perfect!!!
Congrats to Patricia and Fazil and thanks for all this art.
Leopoldo Sánchez Cantú
It's "Fazıl" not "Fazil"
Senelerdir bıkmadan usanmadan dinlerim. Niyeyse hiç yorum yapmamışım. O kadar güzel bir parça ki insanın ta iliklerine işliyor. İkilinin uyumu da çok güzel. Sırf Fazıl Say Türk diye değil, en çok bu ikilinin çalışını beğendiğim için bunu dinliyorum. En çok 12:49-13:02 arasını beğeniyorum, harika.
Fantastic! Both of these young musicians are incredibly talented and touched by the divine grace! A wind of freshness blows on the whole work!
Müziğin hızlanması Kroyçer Sonat'da Pozdnişev'in karısıyla ilgili kafasında kurduğu düşüncelerin birden alevlenmesi, karısıyla yaptığı tartışmaların şiddeti; durulması ise Pozdnişev'in düşüncelerinin yatışması, tartışmalarının tatlıya bağlanmasıdır.
Ama sonra karısını öldürdü
@@leylak5653 sanırım bunu yapması da kafasındaki düşüncelerin verdiği ağırlıkla bir rahatlama, duygularını boşaltma ve belkide kendi içindeki katharsis'i yaşamasıydı. Birde okurda uyandırdığı o rahatlama, korku veya acıma duygusunun fiziksel bir sebebi de olabilir.
Tolstoy burada müziği eleştiriyor.O dönemdeki aile hayatınlarına nasıl bir etkisi olduğunu söylüyor.Gerçekten eşi aldatıyor mu? Ve ayrıca Tolstoy kadının konumunu da açıklıyor ataerkil bir düşünceye sahip.Evet öldürmesi bi nevi
İçindeki o nefreti söndürüyor ama sonrasına pişman oluyor galiba.Bence her ne kadar aldatsa da boşanabilirdi herkes kendi yoluna giderdi.Bence günümüz evlilere de bir ders niteliği taşıyor
@@leylak5653 dediklerinize katılıyorum yazar o dönemki aile yapısını çok güzel göstermiş, Rusyada kadınlar her zaman aşağılanmıştır, kadının görevi ya bir işçi ya bir anne ya da evin yöneticisi (evle uğraşan). Lev Tolstoy kendisi zaten ataerkil izinden giden bir insan bunu Anna Karenina eserinde bizzat görebiliriz, kadının görevinin yalnızca ailesine yönelmesi ve çocuklarına eşine sadık olması gerektiğini düşünüyordu. Günümüzde kadının konumu yükseldi olarak görülse de Rusya'da hala kadına değersiz olduklarını hissettiriyorlar, bu da genlerle insandan insana geçiyor sanırım
@@jordokkk 🙏teşekkür ederim evet anna merak ettiğim bir roman ama onda da ataerkil düşüncesini olduğunu söylediğiniz için romana bakış açım olumsuzlaştı biraz ama yine de okuyacağım.Tolstoy her ne kadar ataerkil düşüncesine sahip olsa da eserleri okunmaya değer bence.
I have never felt so happy on UA-cam, even while relating to the variety of emotions/affects.
Fantastic! The best performance of the Kreutzer I've ever heard. The tempi were great. And there was a feeling of freedom, of spontaneity in their playing. Bravo!
The most honest interpretation of this sonata. No one dares to play like them!
facts
Surelly the best performance of this sonata I have ever listened to.
The Kreutzer sonata,,being one of the most complex, most multidimesional in feeling and musicianship of all Ludwig van works, deserves all kind of intrepretations. Every couple of artists play it as they feel it. This Kopatchinskaya /Say version have all the vitality, mistery (second movement) and expression that it deserves. As for meaning of the work, it reflects probably a lot of hidden frustrations and desires of Ludwig Van. For those interested about it, read the Tolstoy's novel "The Kreutzer Sonata"
Thanks for the information, I didn't know the relation between Tolstoy and this Sonata.
jchenergy I saw a wonderful dramatic production of Tolstoy's novella years ago. The music was played very fittingly at different points throughout the play. I was already familiar with the sonata, but Tolstoy's version was new to me.
"The Kreutzer sonata,,being one of the most complex, most multidimesional in feeling and musicianship of all Ludwig van works"
It's not even in the top 10 of Ludwig "my firends call me Louis" van B's most complex works..
Check out the late quartets, piano sonatas, the 9th, the Missa Solemnis.
Not dissing the Kreutzer here. Far from it. But in his last decade, LvB became a MONSTER.
And to those who think I'm using the word "monster" for effect only : I'm not.
(Strongly urge lovers of this music not to waste their time with Count Tolstoy's hypercranky novella.)
@@mmorseca it is not a bad one and not boring either. why don't you want others to read it? it gives a nice perspective of a jealous person imo.
This is one of my favorite music videos period, the 1st movement which is all I care about. I watched all the other Kreutzers and I like this more than the others. Arousing every second.
Dear "Fazıl Say", thanks for your several uploads. I already heard some of your works /presentations, such as: "Istanbul Symphony", "NAZIM ORATORIO", "Beethoven's Appassionata" etc. All are perfect. Espessialy for "Appassionata", I wrote my positive comments, you can see it. For the present performance, I will repeat the comment of "oyfoss2": "Beethoven will love it !!"---Regards from Greece---
Kopatchinskaja and Fazil Say are playing beautifully. I really enjoyed and would love to hear them more. Wishing them successfully in their way of art.
I could listen and watch these two all day long!
I have never heard such an emotional and perfect playing!
You can hear the trapped screaming in the music.
wow.
this is amazing, Hands down my favourite interpretation of this Sonata.
Espeluznante!! Es la belleza, es la pasión, es la fuerza... ...es el genio de Beethoven al unísono y en vivo, con toda la sangre y como regalo por parte de estos dos maravillosos artistas, Patricia Kopatchinskaja y Fazil Say... En fin... ...hay obras tan únicas y hermosas, que tan sólo se pueden decir con un piano y un violín.
Kreutzer is one of my favorites and have listened it from numerous artists so far. Yet, this has been clearly the most vigorous and joyable one for me. I am not a professional to judge these performances from a point of musician but as a listener, I can say that this wonderful interpretation helped me understand the passion of Ludwig van Beethoven.
To all those trashers of these two great artists: obviously you have no idea how artists let go of control of their physical gestures once they start playing and getting lost in the magic of music. If you think they would be embarrassed to watch themselves on tape you are sorely mistaken. These are genuine performance artists, they learned to let themselves embraced by the rhythm and the score of the music they play a long time ago and not to care about what dimwits think about their facial or bodily gestures. This is, without doubt, one of the greatest performances of the Kreutzer Sonata. If you cannot stand to see what you term as ''excessive dramatic gestures'' then I suggest you ''listen to'' the performance, rather than watch it. This way you may be able to enjoy an extraordinarily spectacular rendering of this great piece, that is, if you have any appreciation of quality music.
Amen... This is gorgeous playing... at the highest level artistry... I got goosebumps listening - from almost the opening violin intervals.
It's just too beautiful, they are completely outstanding
mmmm... this is the least philosophical thing I've ever heard.
it isn't her body that throws me. its her performance.
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I agree when I get into playing my instruments in public I used to holdback but I sounded horrible but when I let loose people tell me to not stop playing
Tremendous performance. The faster the better! As soon as the second movement started I thought, "I see where this is headed! Wow!! Freaking wow!!!"
They did an amazing job, havent seen a better performance over this
Go Patricia and Fazil! Roaring and outrageous! All the emotions of a man stunned and frantic after being betrayed by a lover... emotions swinging back and forth from tenderness to fury to distress... to acceptance... to joy, 'hey, I'm free again!' Brilliant! Congratulations!
Surely, played the way Beethoven would have liked his Kreutzer Sonata to sound AND for its player to look when playing it! A super-great classical music video!
Bellissimo!!!❤
Wer das Glück hat, diese Aufnahme zu hören, wohnt einer kammermusiklischen Sternstunde bei. Geigerin und Pianist geben ihr Äußerstes, um der Größe und der Tiefe Bethovens gerecht zu werden. Allein der Umgang der Geigerin mit dem Vibrato könnte Lehrbücher füllen. Wie größte Kraft, ja Wildheit und intimste Zartheit sich begegnen, ist phänomenal. Eine große Stunde, von der man sagen möchte: Verweile doch, du bist so schön!
Dem ist absolut nichts hinzuzufügen. 💯✍😌
Wildheit, ja! Götterliche Wildheit!
Great, profound performance of this incredibly difficult work. Difficult in so many ways, yet these two are up to the challenge, presenting a Beethoven with all the residue of "tradition" of the last 200 years scraped away, leaving only the pure unadulterated essence of this extraordinary music. It's difficult to take, just as it should be, just as life itself is. Beethoven never made things easy.
The performers read the Beethoven's mind and replaying that beautiful mind. Their waving of bodies help them to understand and transmit it to audience .ore effective.
They are both insanely talented musicians. And that performance was really awesome. Also violinist is so cuteee! ♡♡
The more I listen to Patricia and Fazil, the more I want to throw to the dustbin all the other versions I have of the Kreutzer, I'm sure Ludwig is on my side!!!!!!!
jchenergy same :)
-- Une interprétation pleine d'énergie, de vitalité et d'accords virevoltant. L'association de ces deux là est tout à fait réjouissant. --
Fantastic vitality! These two can do anthing they want with their musical skills. Very refreshing to see some creativity in interpretation and still adherence to the musical line.
Pocas veces encontré tanta solvencia y tanto dominio del instrumento en una violinista, en el pianista y en una dupla de músicos como ustedes. Creo que desde el punto de vista de la interpretación han elegido intensionalmente llevar el mensaje de fuerza y pasión que encierra esta música hasta llegar al extremo de manera que surgen ya sentimientos de bronca, agresividad y descarga emocional que a mi criterio y sensibilidad, la exceden un poco. Pero es una versión arrolladora y vertiginosa a mas no poder. Los finales de frase en los movimientos rápidos son extremadamente cortos, violentos y sucios la mayoría de las veces en el violín. Oigo que el violín está soportando el límite de presión y velocidad y el sonido es distorcionado muchas veces, por el mismo toque. Hecho que no sucede con el piano, ya que no puede tocar sucio, aunque sí toque bien corto. Hay una variedad de ideas magistralmente coordinadas, toques y tempi tan contrastantes a distancias tan corta de tiempo, acentos exagerados y repentinos que aportan demasiada inestabilidad emocional al borde de la locura. ¡Parece casi una obra contemporánea! Pero atrapa por la energía, explosividad, convicción absoluta y dominio artístico-virtuosístico de ambos músicos. Una versión diferente, espectacular, extrema, límite, loca, viva, emotiva y emocionante, con cambios y agregados, y también es coherente en sí misma, fina, impecable, acabada y completa. ¡Bravo! ¡Felicitaciones! y ¡Gracias!
Fazil Say with patricia was really amazing performance.. really love it..
OMG!!! I Love this version so much!!!
様子見のように控え目の冒頭から、一転、二重奏と言うより丁々発止、ヴァイオリンとピアノの果たし合いのような演奏と相成って仰天。世界に希望が見い出せない今日、音楽の世界に若い才能がしっかり育っているのはせめてもの慰め。
leidenschaftlich, energisch, grossartig, wunderbar, einzig, über sich selber hinausgewachsen - beide verkörpern musik in unverwechselbarer selbstverständlichkeit !
Essa dupla é o próprio Beethoven...é a a alma do grande mestre que manifesta.
Tolstoy un kreutzer sonat kitabını okudukdan sonra daha bi ilgi çekici gelmeye başladı
Amazing version. Never heard it interpreted like this before. Bravo!
Mr. Fazil and Patricia, thanks for giving us back this supernatural sonata that years of the traditional formula had distorted from its original tempo and savagery.
Какой восхитительный дуэт. Шикарное исполнение. БРАВО👏
The best Interpretation I have ever heard! Great!
Incredible interpretation ... Absolutely brilliant playing. Thank you for posting!
Even a trained Carnatic classical musician like me from India can very well appreciate this. Music has no region and language. Excellent rendition ..
To much beautiful
"Even a trained Carnatic classical musician" even? why you shouldn't? :) you are a human being and a trained musician (I appreciate carnatic classical music as well). it could be more difficult if you weren't a trained musician or a close minded man :) bests from Italy
@Jeb Clar She is Moldovan, not Russian. Bite your tongue.
Carnatic music for ever!!!
Any problem with Russian people? That has no meaning. We all are sons of God. Politicians should stand out of this kingdom.
Excellent chemistry
Excellent chemistry yields beautiful art work
with distance BEST EVER!!
tears in my eyes THANK YOU XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Como o silencio e o furor, a bravura e a ternura que essa sonata exige.
Здорово! Столько страсти, эмоций, сопереживания. И, конечно, технически блестяще. Настоящее современное творческое прочтение, без всякой архивной пыли. Поздравляю!
Da. Spasibo.
Wow! It is hard to describe what I feel about this performance. We all have heard how Beethoven composed his sonatas for violin and piano, and how they were equal partners. Yet I always felt that the violin could not achieve the same power and fire we associate with Beethoven until now. Bravo!
Astute observation!
Geniuses!!! I am out of words to describe the beauty of this XXI century version of this beloved sonata. Congratulations and thanks for sharing it.
The Kreutzer being given an energetic workout!! Loving it!!!
わたしは「２１世紀は主観性の豊穣の時代」と見ますが、それを証明するような新次元の演奏に「ブラボー！！」
二人とも作曲家でもあるスーパー・デュオ。
イタズラっ子でおてんば娘のままの楽しいお母さんのコパチンスカヤは、天才中の天才！サイの余裕しゃくしゃくで、豊かで自由そのものピアノとのデュオは、まさにスーパー。
幸せーエロースを画に描いたような演奏。けた違いの自由。こんなに面白くて楽しいベートーヴェンは史上はじめてではないか。もうたまらん。
¿Poco femenina??
@@adolfosanchez71 女性は、男性ほど単純ではない。あらゆる面がすべて女性です。
Wow. Such a great performance! I've never seen so much devotion to music in my entire life and I'm not sure to see any alike again! Great Job!❤
Шикарный дуэт bravo!!!!!❤🎇🎆🌠✨💥👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Majestuosa interpretacion, hoy Joshua Bell y Yuja Wang son de lo mejor en el universo en sus respectivos instrumentos. BRAVISIMO, hermosa y emotiva, que presentación!!!
This two artist and producer of album must be genus all.
I had the opportunity to see them in a concert. Both Fazil Say and Patricia Kopatchinskaja are Maestros. The expression of Fazil while playing the Piano is also unique. I completely agree that Beethoven and Tolstoy would enjoy so much this passionate interpretation.
Discovered today, what a pleasure! I am going to play everything I find of Ms. Kopatchinskaja and Mr. Say.
Love it, absolutely fantastic... a pleasure to listen to, and a pleasure to see how much the musicians are enjoying the experience....
My pardon to other commentators, but I must say superlative. A marvelous musical marriage. The music is full of drama, tenderness, and joy - all beautifully revealed. Give me more such commitment. Remember music is created on the tips of seconds - once and done; no chance to repaint, rebuild, or rewrite. A second of time and then gone. I am deeply grateful to those performers who have the courage to stand up and give their all. I can only say Bravo! Bravo! They should make the rest of us humble.
Beethoven yaşasaydı eğer duymasına gerek kalmazdı. Gördükleri ayakta alkışlamasına yeterdi.
Harika 😄
Versteh absolut nichts von Musik aber dieses Stück lässt mich erstarren und innehalten. Genial
sıradışı olmuş hayranlıkla dinledim,teşekkürler Say ve Kopatchinskaja :)
Incredible performance, maybe the best chamber music beethoven I ever heard (and seen!). The art of duo!!!
It's as if Beethoven and his favorite violinist were performing! Superb intensity and drama, with faultless precision.
I'm in love with this sonata and the performance you two done! Congratulations!
Belíssima apresentação tanto do violino como piano.
One of the all time best performances of the Kreutzer Sonata!
i never saw before someone Living the interpretación step by step like the grate Patricia
This is by far one of my favorite performances of this piece, but I was sad to see ads every 3 minutes. It made it very hard to enjoy such a beautiful performance.
Someone directed me to this performance as a 'controversial' one. But I found nothing controversial here. Vigorous, energetic, imaginative, true to the intention of the composer - yes, all of that and much more. At the same time, thoroughly entertaining and satisfying.
Oh my gosh ... so excellent.
she is such talented .what a performance .Holly God
Patricia and Fazil.
Vibração e entusiasmo na magnífica interpretação aliada a técnica impecável. Parabéns por poderem sentir Beethoven e toda a dificuldade de fazer a Kreutzer.
So passionate both violinist and pianist