Why doesn't Games Workshop make washes like these anymore?
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
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A lot of people didn’t like it when Games Workshop changed the formula of their Shade paints and reduced the size of the pots. So that's why I'm always on the lookout for better and cheaper alternatives. The new Deep Shade washes from AK Interactive seemed promising, but when I put them on a model, the results were not what I was expecting at all! #akinteractive #deepshades #review
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0:00 Intro & overview
1:40 Didn't expect these colours!
3:53 What they look like on a model
6:08 Plus the best alternatives
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The fact that they dry matte sold me. The GW washes drying glossy infuriates me to no end. Thanks for the review
I would say GW's intention with washes is to fill the recesses, not tint the model, that's what contrast paints are for.
Given the recent popularity of oil and enamel washes I imagine that one of Citadel's goals with their new shade paints was to reduce the overall tinting/staining effect they have.
Personally sometimes I find it very useful and sometimes it's just a bit of a pain, so I don't think there's a single answer to the issue. I suppose with the new ones at least you can apply them twice to get a stronger tinting effect if you want it.
Very true. I also like to work in smaller increments as it pertains to building up value, and their washes are great for that. Want it stronger? Slap a few more coats on there.
Seraphim sepia in particular is great for building up the first layer of muzzle burn, and I like being able to have it heavier near the front and weaker at the back.
Don't think so, in all their recent videos of painting, they still uses their washes to cover the whole model, also their new fórmula isn't very dark compared to the older ones, and you need darker colors to pin wash or panel lining.
@@baboubortmandu Quick and mate dry helps to this work flow.
They lack consistency for that, even in this video you can see some act identical to AK deepshade and others are much thinner. As usual the optimal solution is still grabbing the best in each line if miney isn't a factor.
Big fan of the AK deep shades, colour range is my only issue - I keep finding GW dries way too shiny for me, I only find I use them on metallics - also the deep shade medium works wonders if you want to get less tinting on the raised areas.
Wish AK or other companies promote more of their products like The Army Painter or Monument Hobbies; this came out during the summer and now in Dec I’m learning about this lol. Good review, always looking forward to new videos. Please do The Army Painter new line when it comes out.
Promoting their products caused their entire issue. People were very upset they demonstrated their rust medium with a holocaust diorama. The paint is fantastic though. Top top top tier.
Great rundown. Your the best most objective reviewer on UA-cam and I have learned to trust your feedback after trying the products.
Those washes from AK are looking good. Pure Grime and Hazel Brown look like washes that can become mainstays in my toolbox. Blue Moon however is something I've been looking for. I like thinning down a grey-blue like Russ Grey for shading white and Blue Moon basically looks like that mix in a pot to me.
I'm curious how they'll look over metallics. I don't mind the matting effect since I varnish my models anyway. Some metals can be very slick however, giving certain washes trouble sticking to them.
Always love to see a new video Stahly!
Great video and quality as always! Very professional
Thanks and keep up the great work. I really look forward to your fanatic paint review
Thanks a million for doing this review! just what I needed!
Thanks again Stahly for another review. I greatly appreciate the list of alternatives and can't wait for your War Paints review.
Agreed with your take. I love the options on the market but the new Citadel washes are still my go-to.
Great video! 🙌🏻
My go to channel for understanding the difference in products and brands!
Still waiting for a video for effect paints 😬
The Pro Acryl wash is the best imo especially if you're looking for similar to the old nul oil. For lighter color washes I still use citidel but will happily switch if PA comes out with some.
I think it makes more sense to go with new shades/tones when creating new paints. People are less likely to move over from brand A to brand B entirely as they tend to be heavily committed already. Plus people seem much more accepting these days of cherry picking paints from across ranges.
GREAT VIDEO!!!
These are basically contrast paints.
Washes are meant to run into recesses without staining the surface too much.
Nice review mate. Did the deep washes reactivate with other paint brands than AK?
Only reviews worth watching. I'd love to see you do one for each range. I've read them all but enjoy videos
I prefer to thin down my AP Dark Tone, over applying it directly. Straight out of the pot it feels too "tacky" and stains more than I would like. Looking forward to what the Fanatic Range brings. I will def check out Pro Acryl's offerings and will continue to avoid Citadels "improved" formula for the time being. Not because I think they're trash, but the value is just not there.
Great video
Dear Stahly, I also bought and tried the deep shades and so far I really like them. But I found one interaction that was quite concerning. The invocation purple reactivated my xpress colors deep purple from vallejo. While I didn't observe that in the more matt or desaturated xpress color paints. Can you make a quick test on that?
Yo nice reviews. I wanted to ask what kind of plastic boxes you use to store your paints at 5:38 are
I have the range. it's ok, but i think you should always use the thinning medium.
JOSEDAVINCI’s hand on those deep shades people… good thing.
You need to swap the 2nd and 3rd characters of the boxes that spell out Attack on Titan on the shelf behind you 🙂👍
lol how could I miss this :D
Thank you Stahly. You have one of the best (if not very best) channels for product knowledge, reviews, and insights. May I have your thoughts on a preferred wash for primarily recess shading with minimal staining? My plan is to Prime a model in white, use a wash for recess shading, followed by painting with Contrast/Speed/Express paints. I can use Acrylic or Oil. My concern with "Oil Wash" is the need to varnish before applying the OilWash and varnish again before applying the "Contrast/Speed/Express" paint. Your thoughts/suggestions are welcomed.
Then GW washes are probably the best choice. Or Pro Acryl washes thinned with some Contrast Medium.
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Why contrast medium Stahlly?
Another great paint review! Will you be reviewing Army Painter's Fanatic line anytime soon?
Yes, I'll work on them next!
Wondering if you ever plan to do a more extensive tierlist for mediums in the future?
Definitely!
Have you taken a look at the new AK inks that are coming out soon? I thought I saw you can already get them in Europe, but not here in the US….. Hoping they are here soon. I stumbled upon this review and I may get them……
What I want to know is the storage method for those paints shown @5:39. I could definitely stand to use that over my current methods.
These are so called "Euroboxes" with 12 cm height and added inserts.
Blue moon looks like it could be a great tint/wash for white armor
Indeed
Whats the grid you use to make your color pallete? Ive been looking to make one so I can see how each comes out
Just textured plasticard: taleofpainters.com/2021/07/top-tip-make-your-own-paint-swatch-to-organise-your-paint-collection/
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Unrelated to this vid, but have you ever tried Creature Caster's Cuttlefish Colors Stahly? There's really no non-sponsored reviews available out there for them, and I like paint brands that try to do something different. I'd really like to hear your thoughts on them if you can get them to send you a set!
Not yet, on my to do list but I'm not sure how big the interest would be for a video. Might review them on taleofpainters.com though!
hey Stahly, just wondering if your deep shade paints smell a bit like spoiled/expired milk? I bought a couple after watching your video and really do like them but every time I go to use them I have to get ready for the smell lol
I didn't get notified on this new video. Found out b/c I'm on Discord.
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Just wish citadel shades where cheaper. There still the best for what you want a shade paint to do
Nothing turns me on more than watching a white primed model being hit by one-coat-paints or washes…
Out of jokes, it’s a very useful reference work for us. Thank you.
Don't these look similar to contrast paints?
can yhou tell how they are different than AK Wargame shades?
Wargame shades are enamel-based
Why you using washes as a contrast paint?
For washes we have oils and enamels these days. Why bother with acrylic washes at all.
Current Nuln oil is suprisingly weak, I prefer Vallejo Black Wash, however their brown wash is pretty weak.
The Citadel looks like a blotchy mess compared to these!
If the AK washes are easy to thin down with water, I see no reason to stick to GW shades except for certain colors
I'll always recommend to use a proper medium or you'll lose most of the unique properties of a wash
@@stahly_taleofpainters Since the price of two pots and the medium are next to two pods of Citadel Shades where I live, with nearly 3 times the content per bottle, they are still a terrific deal. Thanks for highlighting them, I didnt even know Deep Shades exist
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. This is the second time I hear of a paint company being controversial, what is it with this hobby.
For those who though they'd rather skip the controversy, thinking it's some hysteria over a minor thing: Basically AK Interactive made advertisements portraying Nazi gas chambers as a pretty cool thing while aligning themselves with the Nazis. REALLY worth looking into whether you actually want to buy from them.
"what is it with this hobby"? bunch of softcocks who cannot see context or nuance and want to cry about everything? AK did not "align themselves with Nazis" dont be hyperbolic. they made a marketing decision that was supposed to be edgy and backfired. thats it. calm down.
Well, going this route you'll end making your own paints. Corporations are divided between controversial and those who's controversies aren't publicly known, yet. GW attacked fans for supposed copyrights violations and is selling less for higher pricing, AK had issue with gas chambers and African genocides in their dioramas, GSW stole work of some painter without compensating and attacked some content creators over some copyright issue, just like that.
Dig deep enough and you'll find something on ProAcryl, Vallejo or Scale75. If not - just wait a little longer. How many of them remains? How many remaining are even available to you (good luck buying ProAcryl or Reaper, for example, if you live in Europe).
No the problem is, that they made something that is basicly a product cataloge for their brand and that cataloge revolved around how cool you can paint stuff like sites of warcrimes, genocide etc with their products.
They tried to appeal to the museal diorama "scene" but failed at it with a tacky and tasteless product.
I seriously don't see the point to use anything else besides Army Painter Quickshades, they never changed and it's good reliable and does what you expect, and it's so god damn cheap in comparison.
I think the price per ml is close (unless my math sux)