Star Trek: Picard's Ancient Synths Are Eerily Familiar...
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It's funny I made this connection as soon as the episode aired since I'm a MASSIVE Mass Effect fan.
@@discobolos4227 She can be both.
@@discobolos4227 Sublime!
If you like mass effect then i recommend the show Babylon 5 as ME took a lot inspiration from that show. As well as other shows like ST
No. No you did not...
lol @4:25 "… network *table slap*"
Marina Sirtis plays the voice of the Matriarch in ME1, so yeah, guilty!
Michael Dorn voices a krogan also
That's not how it works, but cool facts
"Everything's a remix" - Empedocles 500 BC and OrangeRiver 2022 AD
My biggest problem with Picard s1 wasn't the plot itself, but that the plot didn't fit the universe. It's like the writers had a story that they wanted to tell, then got the job as a star trek writer, and the jammed their story into star trek despite the fact that it doesn't fit with the established lore.
why didn't it?
@@neonwired4978the biggest one is that in the TNG episode "Measure of Man" it is ruled in a court of law, that Data, an android, is a being entitled to all the rights and privileges of a citizen of the UFP. So the entire plot hinges on the federation banning the entire race of androids... The first one starfleet encountered was a highly decorated starfleet officer, who was recognized as a cognizant individual with rights? I can't square the two.
(this is a very late reply) I never thought of it that way but it absolutely makes sense to me. Naturally we have to be open minded as to "what is Star Trek?", because that's how we got things like TNG, and then DS9, but for season 1 of the Picard show, the writers were doing all of this narrative contortionism to turn the universe into something it wasn't, there was some unexplainable space disater threatening the Romulans, and they inexplicably needed help evacuating, the Federation forgot the lessons it learned in the past and started enslaving androids, Data has a flesh and blood brother, who built a bunch of androids and the Reapers were a thing (though I guess it's fine for such creatures to exist, space is weird and very big, it's just silly that they are so intrinsically involved in Romulan history).
All of these things just... pop into existence for the convenience of the story, most of them are not physically or narratively possible, they are just made to exist so that they can tell this goofy story they wanted to tell.
@@averylee4302Its supposed to be an allegory to the patriot act and rolling back of rights post 9/11. Or other backward changes rolling back of rights and general thinking we thought we would never see in recent years.
thanks for the "live long and prosper"
Ancient prophesies? Robotic life? Battlestar Galactica?
The problem today with movies, TV shows, franchises in general is that it's lack of originality.
Just about every story idea in sci fi today wither its TV or Movies or Video games. Pretty much originated in the old radio shows and serial reels and books and pulp comics of the 1930's to the 1950's. Sadly the writers and directors have run out of interesting ways to retell those old story ideas.
@@ArronRatliff Not even close. It goes back way further than that.
There's really only so many tropes and notes to hit.
There's troves of originality. You have to look for it.
So a species of water-world behemoths ruled the galaxy first? I would say this comes full circle from ST's _The Voyage Home_ movie. Maybe they're the ones who 'fixed' V'ger and caused their own demise! Its all connected.
technically they Enslaved other Organic and those Organic wiped them selves out by creating AI, the Space Squid then create an AI to solve the Problem of AI killing organic believing their AI would not fail like their lesser thrall did,
aand that AI created the Reapers and start wiping them out.
The Problem is Star trek has AI that are not aggressive and world ending the Andromeda AI the nanobots the S.e.x bots the Cybertronian civil war parody robot from Voyager and so on and so on.
Mass effect Only has the Geth vs the Quarians as a comparison to the reaper problem and it entirely possible to get both geth and Quarians to stop fighting and help destroy the reapers Granted you loss your Robot best friend Legion VI.
and the geth never Intended to wipe out their creator in fact they care enough about them not to damage the homeworld and never chased them after they left the home system they stayed on the homeworld and small out post across the vail and avoid contact with organic.
Interesting video Tyler I enjoyed quite a bit.
Robot uprisings...Terminator.
And yet another great video from @OrangeRiver 🖖
just found your channel a few weeks ago and have rally been digging your star trek vids. i look forward to your upcoming strange new worlds videos.
I mean. The La Sirena looks more like a Mass Effect ship then a Trek ship.
Mass Effect itself borrows a lot from older sci-fi like Star Trek. In fact, sci-fi builds upon itself all the time. The reason I think so many people make the connection between Picard and Mass Effect is because Picard isn't very good, so the mind wanders and it's easier to spot further problems.
Rich Evans was right. Love your channel btw.
"Eerily similar to" is a very nice way of saying "ripped off from".
Is it Friday? My world is wonkified.
That's exactly what I thought when I watched the first episode.
For me the biggest disappointment with season two of Picard was the complete disregard of the synth storyline from the first season. So this beacon or whatever it was, very nearly brought these synths into our reality. They visibly arrived. The greatest threat to organic life's existence to ever be imagined. But no, the the portal or whatever was closed and life goes on! No mention of it whatsoever. So these ancient synths of immeasurable capability that now know how to find us conveniently took a vacation or something? At first in season two, I thought the Borg thing meant that "We've encountered a common threat." Nope. No mention of it. I thought the end of season two might finally get around to the Borg being like, "Yeah we have a new perspective, and the threat is looming." Nope. No mention of the greatest threat imaginable to existence - pointed out in season one - ever happening. The Borg queen was like, "Yeah here's how to travel to specific points in time " and whatever, but she what, forgot about that near extinction event for ALL organic life (likely Borg included)? Well at least season two gave us feelings. Arguing in a car for absolutely no reason. Angst and anger about the loss of a person a character barely knew. Deep pain about mommy issues from a man ninety years old. Oh, he's a robot now, but that part was left out of season two as well. Perhaps season three will address season one, but I doubt it. I'll bet that season three features an evil villain with a powerful spaceship that only the emotional reunion of the TNG crew can defeat. I also bet that they will talk about feelings. A LOT.
Well dude dont fear the reaper
It's fun to find parallels btwn sci-fi stories that have influenced each other. It's not plagiarism to use references in telling a difference story. Getting mad about it is silly when it's a good remix 😎
it not a different story they tried to but that fell flat on it faces.
it a complete Copy of the Plot of Mass effect 1 the Only core differences are the heroes them selves nearly summon the reapers with the AI chick their trying to save.
they do try making it so you care about the Ai chick and the other Android however after she meet them they realize those Android would likely side with the reapers making us Unsympathetic and Confine picard and his group, and she help the evil androids.
Also characters are similar to mass effect
Picard is Liara T'Soni/David Anderson
Agnes Jurati is Tali'Zorah/Engineer lady
Captain Cristóbal is Jeff Moreau/Garrus Vakarian
Raffi Musiker is Ashley Williams/jack
Elnor is Thane Krios/Legion
Seven of nine is Miranda Lawson
and that a few I rather not list more.
@@discobolos4227 Ok then.
Mass effect 1.
1 villain and hero get Ancient Threat downloaded to their brain about an AI race that plans to wipe out all life, Villain wants to help it heroes stop it ectra.
2 gets a crew of Diverse people.
3 they need to Decipher the Message
4 find out that their a means to summon the Evil AI, Villain plans to summon it.
5 they stop the villain just in time.
now Star trek picard.
1 Heroes get a message about evil AI from an Ancient race 1 group want to stop it and kill all AI Designated the villains, by the Heroes.
2 get a diverse crew together Including a Ai they want to help keep alive.
3 They decipher the Message with help from a group of AI that created their AI.
4 find out that their a means to summon the Evil AI, and the group that welcomed them in turn evil and want to summon said evil AI.
5 they stop the Villian AI and their friend AI side with them at the last moment as the Villain anti AI stand down and flee.
it nearly verbatim with Only the AI friendly sub plot being the starting point and follows line from line the mass effect 1 plot line also what he said at the end that stealing is part of creating good art, true however it has to diverse and not remain identical to the Inspiration other wise it just pure Plagiarism.
Good video. I’ve never played Mass Effect, so I would not have picked up on the similarities. Based on your title, I thought you might talk about the Lovecraftian “Old Ones” referenced in the TOS episodes, “Catspaw,” and especially, “What Are Little Girls Made Of?” which is what I actually thought “Picard,” Season 1, was attempting to tie into: an ancient race of immense power, hundreds of thousands of years old, whose machine A.I.s destroyed them. It all fit into what the Romulans had uncovered. The machine tentacles coming through the portal were clearly Lovecraftian. But, alas, if they intend a connection to TOS episodes, they never specified it.
First thing I thought of when the first season of Picard ended. "Well one of the writers was a fan of Mass Effect. "
I honestly didn't even think of ME until people brought it up, I just took it as Trek's version of this sci fi trope. Admittedly, now that I've just seen them compared in depth, I'd say it's very possible they took inspo from ME, but fundamentally I consider them both lovecraftian cosmic horror type tropes.
Sure Star Trek Online based the Iconians off of both the Forunners from Halo and the reapers( by way of the conflict in the game) but unlike Picard season 1 still has it's own identity that is recognizably Star Trek. In Picard plot points are lifted from Mass Effect and in order to use them characters and organizations are given massive character assassinations to do it. Major offender in this is the Romulan Tal Shiar who are uncharacteristically anti AI even though they use the same technology level and integration as Starfleet.
Romulan Officer: I know a host of Romulan Cyberneticist that would love to be this close to you.
Data: I do not find that concept particularly Appealing.
Romulan Officer: nor should you.
I think you should probably watch Babylon 5 if you wanna see where Mass Effect got it's inspiration from...
Good production as always Tyler. 🖖
My first reaction was 'Picard had a plot?'
Certainly doesn’t seem to to me
I never played mass effect and even I immediately thought of mass effect while watching Picard
Picard the show, its... IDK man. IDK.
Star Trek: Online should really do a story arc about these super-synths; the timeline works well with the fall of Iconia and the Tkon empire and there could be a story where the Tkon created the super-synths and the Iconians were the ones who drove the super-synths out of the Prime galaxy. The Tkon will have then created themselves as Q, accidentally creating Armus in the process. More than likely, though, it seems like perhaps the Q were the guardians to keep out the super-synths and, having discovered them and rejected them, the Q no longer served a purpose and that's why Q was dying in series 2.
I mean kinda, I don't really mind if you have similar concepts and conceits, Trek does this all the time with various short stories and other media. One of the recent episodes of SNW just straight up did Le Guin's The Ones Who Walked Away From Omelas.
Where the problem lies for me is the aesthetic, IMO they should make an effort to give a more unique aesthetic and to immediately notice Rios' ship La Sirena have the virtually identical haptic feedback controls like in Mass Effect.
(Side note I felt there was a big missed opportunity here with Picard not just asking the computer to creat the Enterprise D or E Lcars for him so he could have a more familiar control scheme in the climax) and the machine squid aliens look and feel too much like Reapers
Remember Star Treks Galactic barrier? I believe its there to keep out the Reaper's 😂😂
Did Mass Effect rip off Revelation Space (Alistair Reynolds)? The more intriguing question.
I'm pretty convinced that the biggest direct influence has to be Star Control 2 imho...
imagine thinking mass effect was the first to do a story about ai, the matrix did it in 1999
it has beocme full circle :D thats it. Mass Effect was basicly Star Trek if it wasnt limited to humanoid species :D and now it borrows back. Without Star Trek ME wouldnt have existed.
ME is nothing like Shit Trek other than it's a crew on a ship!!
If anything ME is closer to Battlestar Galactica and their fight for survival from a sentient robotic race the Cylons who rise up and destroy there creators (us) every time we humans invent or re-invent AI
Love it. Awesome.
Hello Tyler i agree it's the REAPERS!!! Mass Effect is such an amazing Space adventure highly recommended great video
id love to actually see a crossover imagine trek tech in a mass effect setting ? it would change things massively warp instead of using the relays would be a game changer plus the more advanced shielding and weapons tech alliance federation hybrid tech id watch play or read that
I just wish that the producers of these new Star Trek series would give them enough episodes per season to develop the stories that they want to tell. Discovery and Picard have both felt far too rushed as they create problems that get solved too soon at costs to characters who in most cases aren't people I've been given the time to care about.
It's bad writing, not a time crunch. TNG, DS9, and Voyager all told better stories with fewer episodes. Remember they didn't have season spanning stories like Disco and Picard. They had general stuff like the dominion war, or species 8472, but it wasn't a singular focus of each episode like the current shows.
Of course they are rushing Picard, patrick steward is in his 80s and could potentially drop dead any miniute...
Oh god no! The problem is the opposite. They stretch a story for an episode over a bloody season until you are bored senseless. They just stuff so much nonsensical crap in there that does not matter that you think there is stuff-
Now I have to play Mass Effect again!
I like how people forgot all the bitching about how mass effect was ripped straight from a star treck episode.
Thanks
I know nothing about Mass Effect but the advanced Synths reminded me of the ring wraiths in the Expanse.
So do lobsters know they are about to get boiled and eaten? Its could be us who are the lobsters.
Add some mysterious girl who is super strong but mentally fragile spice from Firefly and add a liberal amount of Mass Effect to create the Picard recipe.
Yes yes, but this isn't the first time these synths are mentioned in star trek canon. They've been around the Motion Picture. And they've popped up a couple of other times in lore. Picard marks the first time we've seen one up close. But they've always been there
Really I did not notice
Now if they would just release that damn Mass Effect show we've all been waiting on for 15 years...Apparently Netflix has the animated rights and Amazon has the rights to a live action show, but nothing has come of it since it was officially announced in April '22.
I dont game but at the 5 minute mark isnt that also the plot of the latest halo tv show has paramout really recycled the same plot?
Unicron came to mind when I saw that thing
If they did they weren't the only ones. Season 3 episode 2 of the Orville was also a rip off of mass effect, alien, & the fly.
the monsters from that episode even looked like carbon copies of the vorcha.
@@flyingfoamtv2169 lol yep
Its interesting when you consider Casey Hudson, the original creator of Mass Effect, was a Trekkie himself - which is fairly obvious as ME always felt more like Star Trek than Star Wars. So for it all to come full circle and have the most recent Star Trek series borrow heavily from the very games it inspired in the first place is pretty awesome.
First J Michael Straczynsky's Babylon 5 and then Drew Karpyshyn's Mass Effect story. I guess Trek likes stories from guys with a Y in their names.
They filed the serial numbers off, but not completely.
I don't know if it was deliberate or a coincidence but I think it was a ripoff.
Would love to see a video on the Enslavers or whatever they were called.
Interesting but it's a stretch
When you look loosely enough, the Reapers have elements of the Borg (Trek) Shadows (B5) and Wraiths (Stargate Atlantis). What some can see as copying, other eyes see as writing tropes and others see them as techniques to tell a story. Another great vid, fell much shorter than 12 mins.
In the case of Kurtzman, "Inspiration" = Theft..
I mean i understand the reasosns but "harvesting to preserf" what the reapers do and " cleaning the galaxy and helping AIs" is something very different.
Why not?
Mass Effect and Andromeda have incredible stories and such a playground to play with/in.
yea it was a rip off weather the Ai create the prophecy for other AI or not it still had a double meaning, so the AI did intend for it to be seen by both Organic and Inorganic as a warning and as a salvation for other AI.
Also their Stealing with the Intention of Improving and different spin on it, STP does neither and even Break establish lore on synthetics in their own universe.
if you Consider it cannon along with past AI seen in the series and it clearly show a parallel with Mass effect, and fails as a star trek show or mass effect show.
The of trek had a story that involved a alien robot race that rose us and killed their makers.
Taking inspiration from Mass Effect wouldn't be problem, if the final product was good. Star Trek took inspiration from Issac Asimov and Clarke all the time (even directly consulted with those writers). But the difference is, Star Trek took inspiration, then innovated upon it. V'ger and The Borg are not flat copies of Asimov and Clarke, despite being inspired by stories from those writers. These similarities in Picard seem a lot closer. As does the plots in Discovery. Like someone went onto Wiki and wrote out a plot based on a summary of Mass Effect and Tardigrade. And in the latter case, they didn't even change the name...
I love Picard but I need a good explanation for the robotic tentacles. Was the ultimate pinnacle of form that of a giant robotic cephalopod? I'd be okay with that. Need more data.
I mean its kind of cool. Mass effect has sooo much star trek in its DNA. Now star trek has a lil bit of Mass effect. Although i think star trek should be more hopeful.
Interesting. I was so distracted by how the visuals and feel of the world seemed to be mirroring Mass Effect that I was distracted from how closely the plot resembles Mass Effect. Though it took a long time for the plot to really develop. And of course it wasn't as good.
who wurde creators of the bean cold armus from Star Trek the next generation
the Leviathans noticed that all the species they enslaved made Synthetic lifeforms to do the work for them which eventually rose up and wiped them out so they created an AI(that would later develop into the Reapers) to solve the problem for them and it rose up and almost completely wiped them out
The ai, Catalyst, did not "develop into the Reapers." The reapers are harvested organics turned into living robot spaceships.
Funny how Star Trek has been warning about this since the 60’s, long before Mass Effect.
true, lot's of elements of the plot have been done by star trek before.
Mass Effect is a good series for good ideas.
Those differences just seem like an afterthought made to deliberately make it not look like a ripoff.
Wow when are we gonna get a mass effect TV show. I didn’t know it what i was missing
Im waiting for the ABC ending we were promised we wouldn't get.
here is a hot take, the Battle Star Galactica remake is set in the same universe as Star Trek
Well damn. I quess ima end up buying the whole series then. Fkn love mass effect. Maybe in practiced hands when it does become a movie it can have a delacate hand... Haters gonna hate
It could be argued that many of the core elements of the story there are scenes a faire and thus not copyrightable and usable by all. Frankly I don't know enough to know how that would shake out in court but given that there have been no lawsuits I'd guess all parties involved figured that there was no basis for a lawsuit over it :)
Íf Picard's show steal this idea from Mass Effect, then Mass Effect steal idea about Reapers from Star Gate Atlantis > and race: Wraiths..
I don't know if my comment got deleted or just never posted, but anyone who paid attention to the Star Trek Discovery situation with them stealing characters, plot and events from Anas Abadeens game about blue tardigrades that aide in space travel shouldn't be surprised.
UA-cam comments went down earlier today so it might have been lost after they were restored
@@OrangeRiver I've been watching you for a while and did not figure you were the type to delete a comment, but I've also been banned from several Star Trek subreddits for pointing out all the plagiarism and poor writing.
If you have not already, you should do a video on Star Trek Discovery stealing Anas' ideas. If you need sources or assistance, Gary over at nerdrotic covered it extensively a while back.
Exactly I even played the original indie computer game with the tardigrade in it
Hey Tyler, guys here.
It's a copy and paste generation.
Spoiler Alert - *YES*
ST: Picard writers are devoid of original and creative thoughts.
That’s because Hollywood doesn’t have any decent writers
I thought everyone knew season 1 was a ripoff of Measure of a Man (S02E09) and Mass Effect Trilogy.
0:37 mixed reception? No... Almost all star trek fans hated season 1 of picard and for good reasons
Yes, yes they did. Shouldn't surprise anyone tho since Discovery blatantly ripped off Anas Abadeens story in their first season. CBS isn't hiring creatives who love Star Trek and want to write about the universe they love, they're hiring soap opera writers and activists who want to "put their own spin on the universe to better reflect today's world"
who wurde creators of the bean cold armus from Star Trek the next generation ???
The sad thing is that the AI apocalypse reveal in Mass Effect wasn't even that popular. Most Mass Effect fans did not like the Reapers being a failsafe against AI uprising. Especially with a lot of hints towards something else like the prematurely dying stars.
Also, a galactic AI apocalypse doesn't even make sense in Star Trek. They've already established that there are lots of super evolved ancient organic races. You have the Metrons, Douwd, Organanians, Cytherians, etc. who all evolved in the galaxy. It's even heavily implied by the Metrons, Organians, and Q that humans will eventually evolve to become super advanced energy beings. It makes no sense that none of these ancient species would make no mention of AI apocalypses. Not to mention how those super powerful beings could easily stop an AI uprising.
I haven't watched season 2. Since both Q and the Borg are present, do they acknowledge the any of the events of season 1?
@UCJZ6xiQoOYCLQoE3EBpuaMA Picard does give a time frame. They establish that the last galactic AI uprising happened 200,000 years ago. Which makes no sense because we know there are races from that time that still exist, like the Voth and the Organians. The Sphere from Discovery was also around and collected data during that time. So why didn't they already know about an AI apocalypse from the Sphere?
@@subraxas except the exact same plot happened in Discovery season 2 with Control and Control was not being oppressed, it just wanted to destroy all organic life.
Video needs more Tyler.
synths good, because science? necroids bad, because magic?
I don't really care how they obtained the story, as long as they excel in execution. But they didn't. ST:P is slow and rushed at the same time.
ST:NW also uses stories that have been told before, but does it with such charm that it becomes entertaining.
I quit watching episode 4 it’s totally not what Star Trek is about and Discovery despite sticking it out longer was disappointing too. Of all the New Trek I’ve seen the best has definitely been Prodigy. I haven’t seen Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds so cant comment on those series
@@Dancestar1981 only made it half way through first episode of prodigy. Not my jam
@@RolandWolf I know it’s aimed a kids in particular but maybe it means more to me as out of all the series Janeway was my favourite Captain and it seems to hit all the right nostalgia buttons.
Terminator came before mass effect
Mass Effect's setting is very much a copy of Star Wars, I never see this brought up though...
How long have androids been abel to "mind meld"
Confusing message + cypher was a little too close for me.
Creativity is always a gamble. You can create something never seen before. You can create a smelly bomb.
The big studios don't gamble anymore. They've learned to tone it down and deliver unoffensive mediocrity. Nothing great, nothing awful, nothing really memorable. Just trying to milk their "properties" without (further) enraging fandoms.
They've finally realized that they don't want to dismiss and offend their special audience (the fans) because their shows just aren't good enough to attract the attentions of wider audiences (everyone else).
I really wish Picar was better. The best I can say is, it isn't the worst show I've ever seen.
Yes 🙄😬
The concept/premise is really not that unique... Picard certainly has its MANY issues, but ripping off Mass Effect is just not one of them. It's just such a cop out comparison honestly.
Sick and tired of seeing Sir Slaphead. Time to retire was at least fifteen years ago old man