Hannah Gadsby Full Speech: "The Good Men" & Misogyny | Women in Entertainment
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Hannah Gadsby speaks at The Hollywood Reporter's Women In Entertainment 2018. She talks about "good men" talking about "bad men," misogyny, and more.
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"If you have to believe someone else is bad in order to think you are good, you are drawing a very dangerous line."
Tony Marselle That’s only the case if you assume that all things are already equal, and all we have to worry about are a few bad eggs. The majority of legislatures, CEOs, and professors are straight white men in our country. That is not nature. That’s design. It’s re-inforced by unchecked biases, policies, and assumptions. We live in a decaying prison built in the classic style of misogyny and white supremacy, so to speak. There has never been a woman president. That’s just weird.
Where are the bloody jokes? Gets kicked out.
memosrt If she doesn’t make you laugh, she doesn’t make you laugh🤷♀️
@@Porpentein She hates me, how is that going to make me laugh?
memosrt Well, the argument also applies to “good white people,” “good heterosexuals,” “Good cisgender,” etc. The problem isn’t bad eggs or bad white people (like KKK), it’s our social and political structures that favors one group over another, benefiting you and me, whether we want it to or not. If you think everything is just great the way they are and were even better when women didn’t have birth control and African Americans were segregated then, I don’t know if Gadsby would hate you, but I certainly wouldn’t like you.
Pretty ballsy of you The Hollywood Reporter for not disabling the comments and dislikes 👍🏻
We know the media won’t speak out about this type of bigotry. It’s sad when we’re relying on UA-cam comments to fight blatant sexism and racism.
UA-cam is just going to artificially inflate the like button.
She's on their side after all
Yeah, I'll pay that.
Oh how very brave
@@MrJustonemorevoice literally not how that works. Not everything is a conspiracy.
It‘s weird to me how some people are reacting here. Most of the stuff she is saying is not controversial at all yet people are so heated over this topic they can‘t listen and function properly anymore I guess. Here are the two main points she made put in a non-confrontational way (even tho I understand that confrontation is needed as well):
1. No social problems humanity has ever faced could be fixed by throwing out the proverbial „bad apples“. We need to address the bigger picture, the thought process behind the problem and the system that made it possible. In order to do that we have to question ourselves as well.
2. We cannot speak on struggles we don‘t have, discrimination we don‘t face and emotions we didn‘t experience. You don‘t get to decide if you hurt another person is literally a lesson from kindergarten. That still doesn‘t mean that EVERYTHING you are saying is invalid.
None of this is controversial yet y‘all out here screaming like she said „burn all men!“🙄
Kind of ironic then how feminist like Hannah or her fans speak about men as if they have ever experienced life as a men or know our struggles, I guess this conversation only goes one way
I was looking for the LOVE button for your comment. Truth.
Vera Clyne Awe thank you❤️
Alberto Rodriguez Yes some women do that and it is wrong. Haven‘t seen it from Hannah tho unless you are talking about her playful jabs here and there. I guess she would agree that men have a different unique set of struggles but she realizes that she can‘t speak on that. So instead of screaming „what about me tho?“ whenever a woman voices criticism towards men educate and spread awareness on the topics that are important to you. Your struggles are not invalidated because we are struggling too and can finally talk about it and get heard.
@@Froggele when did I ever scream "me too", I don't victimize myself the way you women do, just pointing out the irony in your second point
It's telling how uncomfortable the audience is.
WeUsedToWonder Good. Misogyny should be uncomfortable. Rape should be uncomfortable. I would be concerned if the audience WASN’T uncomfortable.
@@loopdiditydoop1926 Trauma? At a 'ahem' comedy gig?...
And you're pleased about this?
Most be some laugh in you're house at Christmas..
purplemonkey Comedy gig? Does that look like a fucking comedy gig to you? It’s a power to women in entertainment event. It’s not a comedy show. No one was expecting her to do comedy, besides the angry men in the comments. That’s like getting mad at Elton John because he didn’t sing at an AIDS foundation event.
@@loopdiditydoop1926 duhhhhhhh is she not a comedian you fucking spastic
@@loopdiditydoop1926 So it has nothing to do with comedy?
"Garden variety consent dyslexics" - brilliant
I agree. BRILLIANT. ❤️☀️❤️ I have so much love for Hannah Gadsby. She soothes my soul.
Y'all don't think this is funny. Stop lying.
@@psychopompous3207 LMAOOOO
How is it the concept she is expressing goes so far over everyones heads? If you want to be a good person, listen to others, let them set their boundries and adhere to them. Simple. If someone tells you that you crossed the line, then stop and rethink your actions. Don't be dense, don't put words in Hannahs mouth. Don't misconstrue what she is saying. Just listen to people, and don't be so self absorbed as to think you can do no wrong.
Also, I think you are a fool if you don't think she applied these same concepts to herself as well.
😮 wow... next can you tell me the the meaning of life??
Yea let me listen to some girl dressed like a boy talk about misogyny what do you even call her because this isn’t comedy.
Wasn't it supposed to be a comedy?
the concept does not go over everyone's head, the concept is stupid. this kind of borders are negotiated and reasoned over and not dictated by one side.
What if a i as a woman decide my "birders" are that no man has the right to be in a range of 100m around me ? This is just a power fantasy .
Nail on the head. Absolutely brilliant. 💜
"You are gonna regret that clap."
I regret clicking on this video.
why are people assuming that this was supposed to be funny? nowhere in the video title nor description does it say "hannah gadsby performs a stand-up routine".
just because someone is a comedian it doesn't mean their every public appearance will be a comedic speech. gadsby's last comedy special IS about her LEAVING comedy.
bad men bad
gadsby's last comedy special IS about her LEAVING comedy.
Thanks God
Thank you! This is obviously a serious topic. She's not trying to make people laugh
@@quietestkitten She never got to do that in the first place
How can you leave something that you never had?
Interesting how many negative comments are made ...... she is a strong intelligent woman ...... makes you uncomfortable doesn’t it ?
Don't forget also queer and autistic! Extra scary.
Yup, that's definitely it, you got us
The truth is that I do not understand what she is saying. It is probably my fault and I hope to be enlightened by your insights. As for me, I was taught that "intelligence" is in a very broad sense the ability to draw distinctions and solve problems. Here, Hanna Gatsby seems to advocate that no one should draw lines between "good and bad" in a general sense of the word. She seems to mourn a paradise lost, or maybe she speaks out for "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". But that does not fits to the whole setting and her apparent attitude. She seems not to talk about forgiveness, but about guiltiness. Everyone is guilty, but if there is no god, it just means: nothing.
@@horstappert6465 what she basically means is
Men don't get to decide what's misogynistic to women
Women decide whats misogynistic to them
Similarly
White people dont get to decide whats racist n what isn't
People of colour decide that
Straight people dont get to decide whats homophobic
Lgbtq+ people decide that.
@@horstappert6465 exactly how I saw it....and what is it with the constant "men-jokes". 😑😐😶🤐😮
yaal better get off that high horse before you decide tribalism is the way to enact real change.
Alot of people seem to be getting angry about this. The "line" is hardly new, it has being said before everyone is the hero in their version of the story.
@Frankie Basile can I ask why she makes you so mad? Like what specifically? I genuinely want to know because I really enjoy her work and I don't understand how someone couldn't.
Yeah but so is she so is everyone that’s the very essence of the existence of morality a line in the sand nothing else but she does make a good point as to how people shift the line for different interactions but then she claims the oppressed draw the line which of the oppressed the masses the individuals who
@@96pokadot Well for me it doesn't make me mad it's just that her way of presenting it is off-putting an ineffective, exclusionary and blaming, isolating. She is lumping whole populations and demographics into the "bad" category, which demonstrates faulty paranoid reasoning at best and is dangerously dehumanizing. Yes, evil exists in the hearts of countless men and women, yes some of them act on it like it's a contest but it is each individuals choice, not the fault of one group of folks you can point a finger at. You must take real victimization and handle it on a case by case basis lest you fall into the trap of blaming some nebulous "they" for all the suffering in the world. You're talking about human beings, it is wrong in every way to take it there. End of story.
A lot not alot. English
@@harleyjameson1939 actually, if you listen all the way through you can hear thats kind of the opposite of what she was doing. She was pointing out that its more important and far more effective to label actions than people - and more important and far more effective to listen to those affected by the action than to anyone else.
Never seen a crowd more upset/bummed about getting free dinner
Free Breakfast.
So just so u think twice before using rotten tomatoes as a reliable source, they gave this woman 100% on rotten tomatoes and 0% to Dave chapelle just let that sink in
Funny thing is the actual viewers and not the critics Gave him 99%
Yeah and Hannah’s audience score was about 40%
She isn't funny, but she's woke.. that's good enough for sjws.
RottenTomatoes shows the percentage of critics who liked a particular work. It is not the people running the site who judge the quality of the work, in case this was what you thought.
@@MinamuTV i guess a lot of gender studies graduates go into film criticism haha
so many people out here wilfully misunderstanding her point. All she's trying to say is that the line between misogyny and not misogyny, racism and not racism etc should be drawn by the people on the recieving end. Anything can be excused if the people who decide what is excusable are the people doing harm.
Flowing Explorer How is she being racist, please elaborate. Thanks
@@mistermonsieur5162 omg, please tell me you're a troll... at least that way I won't pity you for your spectacular stupidity!
@Person YES. THANKYOU
Sell how is any of that a joke, wasn’t she a comedian?
@@pex320 i know this may be hard for you to understand, but comedians are actually capable of being serious sometimes
I don't believe that the majority in that room had any idea what Hannah was saying.
What a disgrace it is that so many people are deliberately misunderstanding or ignoring the clear message. What she is saying is that people act as though they stand against misogyny because they are happy to call it out when it is other people. The issue is that when a friend's behaviour, or even their own behaviour is called out, they say that it's out of character, or that it's in the past or even just say that they didn't do anything wrong. It's this that Hannah is taking issue with. Maybe if you want to make a sexist joke, you'll draw the line just past there. Maybe if you want to grope someone when drunk you'll say that's okay too. The point here is that when you do that, you prove every time that you are not such a 'good guy' after all, you are a part of the problem. If you're not willing to listen to women when they say 'don't make that joke' or 'don't touch women without consent ever' then you are a part of the problem. For as long as you keep thinking that you are the gatekeeper of what is misogyny and what is not and deny women's voices, you are not the good guy. Women are telling you the line is in the wrong place. You need to stop trying to fight for it to stay where it is.
She did it again! Making a point, drawing a conclusion in three points. Gosh, she's good!
@@zacbouch42 What's your point?
@@zacbouch42 Yes, you do, in some cases, need to listen. You need to be told by marginalized people, like women how it's ok to treat them and preserve their dignity and how it's not ok to treat them. You have access to participate fully and equally in our society, where some people don't get a seat at the table. So, we all need to listen to the experience of marginalized people who have been deeply hurt and dehumanized. And learn how to treat them with unconditional respect, in the ways they ask of us. Not when and where it's convenient. Do you see? When you do this, you are an ally and friend to disempowered people.
@@rawdaaljawhary4174 How are women marginalized ????
Oh there she goes saying dumb stuff again hating men
@@instagramstar5928 Amazing! It only took you one sentence to prove her point. Aren't you amazing?
This is such a toxic comment section. I took a long hard look at myself after listening to this. I was so incredibly glad that she was talking about these 'good' men, I identified with it so much, and when she replaced 'men' with 'white', 'straight' and 'cis' I realised that I do the same thing as these 'good' men.
OTHER white people
OTHER straight people
OTHER cis people
do these things, but not me - I'm good.
And while yes, there is more nuance to the story than Hannah states - she only had 8 minutes on stage and at least a minute of that was getting people to sit the fuck down, she didn't have time to address the nuance - it's important to see yourself through a different lens and realise that it's not enough to be good and draw a line in the sand. I don't get to decide what is good and bad in those circumstances.
Who does get to decide then? I am genuinely trying yo understand what's the point behind this.
HASHlRAMA you don’t get to decide what’s okay for you to do and say to other people or about other people. They make their own boundaries. You will overstep someone’s boundaries at some point. They should be able to comfortably and confidently assert those boundaries to you. They shouldn’t feel like they have to stay silent or face backlash
I'm so happy to see a comment from someone who actually understood her point!
@@geministargazer9830 So do white people get to set boundaries for others to talk around too? Or is this a one-way road?
cis is not a thing... it's called male and female. It doesn't need something extra.
If we decide we are 100% on the good side of the line, we risk no longer considering our own attitudes and behaviour. Life is not simple enough that there is a line you can be on one side and be good or on the other and be a part of the problem. Saying you are a good ally to any group is presumptuous, you should say you want to be and are trying to be a good ally. Then actually try to be a good ally. Start by recognising that your own perspective (whoever you are) lacks the perspective of the people you wish to support. and be open to being informed by these other perspectives.
"You're going to regret that clap" I can't believe no one laughed at that
Beacuse that's not funny.
But people did laugh?
I didn’t laugh and wouldn’t laugh either if I’m in that room she had enough life experiences to turn her funny stuffs into something awful dark stuffs real quick.
I laughed for minute
Why can't you believe that? In order to elicit a laugh, one has to first A) be funny, or B) have said or done something observably funny. Her whole schtick here met no such criteria.
basically dont be so quick to draw the line between good and bad. Good people can do bad things and bad people do good things. So you should always be scrutinizing your own behavior and that of others and don't expect misogyny to came in a perfectly wrapped bow, it is messy and under the radar many times. It is something even so called "good men" can do to varying degrees, You can't just describe misogyny as this one thing that is apart from society, unfortunately in reality it is an undercurrent of society and that's what makes it so pervasive.
Because the line analogy went on so long, I wasnt entirely sure what she was trying to say by the end. This helped make it clear. Much appreciated!
D- 8th grade English term paper
@@chunkatronic i probably disagree with your worldview... but god damn X) thats legit funny, no fightin that
1. She wants people to literally have another group thats at odds with them to decide what is right and wrong for them. That's a pretty dumb idea that nazi's would appreciate.
2. She definitely isn't being so smart that people who disagree with her statements "don't get it". You are just oblivious to the rhetoric because you believe her statements about men and whites unironically.
To paraphrase the bible:
"Look not to the splinter in your brothers eye but the plank in yours"
What world do these people live in?
A much more interesting one than you can imagine NT.
The Matrix
It's a room full of Narcissists: Every one of them lives in the center of their own world.
He is lawmaker, judge, and party to the lawsuit all at once. I like that she made sure to let everyone know that we are all complicit and complacent in these systems of oppression and power structures that dictate them.
Who are you speaking of?
Lol speak for yourself, neurotic
Women are definitely complacent since they always vote for the most liberty- restricting candidate.
We?
No numnuts it's just you
lmao
So what’s exactly the intended outcome of this speech? I’m left with the assumption it’s only people who can identify in a victim category can frame the discussion and rules for all encounters.
Imagine two kids, A and B, and B enjoys punching A. Which one should decide if it's ok to punch A?
@@zorro_zorro agreed
Women need to stop the violence and abuse
@@zorro_zorro Imagine two kids A and B, B enjoys building sandcastles on a public playground, which is A's perceived personal space. Which one should decide if it's ok for B to build a sandcastle on the playground?
@@cisuminocisumino3250 I dunno ^^
I suppose the sand was a metaphor for _'what is said about A'_ though, which if it is, is a lot less symetrical than "some sand that belongs to no one", don't you think?
The only way to make her feel offended is to get up and just walk away and not look back.. not even respond back if she calls you out for leaving just keep walking away... It's not worth trying to say anything to this type of living being... She doesn't wanna accept reality no matter how many times we can shove the real truth in her face she'll keep ignoring it... So if that's the case then the best thing we can do is just get up and scoot the chair back in and walk away
As an Australian I am very sorry
She is just horrible, if she hates men so much why does she try to look like a man. She isn't funny at all.
Not Canadian, but still in the Commonwealth of Sorries.
It's ok. At times like this I cling on to the memory of Paul Hogan getting an old woman's cat out of a tree with a rifle, and Kim, of Kath and Kim, saying "I just want to be effluent, Mum!"
This isn't your fault. Aussie comedy went full woke, and this is the result.
To all those who have said not your fault. I stood here and did nothing. I should have called the queen (rip) and demanded satisfaction... the prime minister was busy that week.
This is so powerful. Hannah is an absolute genius saying what needs to be said. People who complain that her point was not funny are missing the point; not everything is funny. Her dry humour serves as an inroad to a profound problem. The strategy is to disarm the audience before taking a sharp turn to a serious matter. This technique has a long history with comedians, like Bill Hicks for example. People didn’t complain about his capacity for honesty and despair; that’s what they loved about him most. Hannah’s on that level here and you can shoot the messenger, but the message remains.
Bill Hicks was not only funny, but entertaining and he did it with dark comedy on topics that were kinda ahead of its time.
She absolutely doesn't have that. Every Celebrity is lecturing about women rights or black rights or gay rights.
The first thing that I thought about before she opened her mouth was, she kind of has a school teacher presence.
She seemed very uncomfortable that everyone wasn't in their seat and everyone didn't give undivided attention.
Now to be fair, this seemed like a very unusual gig. Giving a speech about misogyny to a bunch of elite entertainers.
It has been done and Woke Hollywood eats it up.
cleverchaleigh I disagree; she is not just
discussing misogyny like everyone else does. She is pointing out the hypocrisy in that discussion when the line between what’s evil and what’s acceptable keeps getting redrawn according to the cultural and personal standards of the powerful rather than the victimised. It’s a logic in which the so-called “monsters” are scapegoated so that the “good men” don’t need to feel responsible for their forays into a supposed “gray area”, in which they are merely insensitive but don’t rise to the level of the “real” rapists. The deeper premise is that this reasoning allows almost everyone to believe that they are inherently good, and that their actions are justifiable and/or excusable. It’s an extremely nuanced moral point that is not understood in most public discourse around #metoo
I’m sorry that you don’t find her as funny as Bill, but humour is subjective. I was more talking about her strategy of introducing a serious point. It was an awkward venue, but awkwardness is part of her comedic persona; it’s understandable that she would wait for silence before beginning her speech.
comparing Bill Hicks to Hannah Gadsby is like comparing Shakespeare to a monkey hitting a keyboard.
If you felt uncomfortable and annoyed watching this and had a hasty “This doesn’t apply to me! That’s offensive and general!” impulse and response... well, you’ve just proven her point. Let’s all take a step back from ego and listen. Every single one of us can be better, myself at the front of that line. ❤️
So, being set to either grow or stagnate is inherent every moment within the human condition. It is the universal experience for everyone at any given time. What is challenging about what Ive witnessed here as an affront to human dignity I simply don't understand. How exactly is it a call to action?
I was uncomfortable and annoyed because someone told me she's really funny and clever.
She is my favourite person on screen. She seems very easy to understand to me. I liked her instantly. My baby brother has autism and he has always been the norm for me when i grew up. So this feels right. :) I am so happy that she gets a platform to speak her mind.
When's the last time you got laid?
She insulted your baby brother though...
'If you have to believe someone else is bad in order to believe you are good, you are drawing a very dangerous line'
Oh the irony
What she said...the words you typed and put in quotation marks..means nobody throws the first stone...judge and you will be judged ten fold..there is no irony,but truth. Are you blind?can’t you see?..truth?..its like the nose on your face..you just have to look.
Maybe I am the blind one?maybe you can explain the “irony” ..am certain you can’t.
Dangle Baggins,pretentious to you because you’re an ignorant prig.
Tony Marselle
I don’t feel “demonised”...you sound paranoid..you afraid she’s making men look bad?..you a snowflake dude?
@Tony Marselle That isn't what she said at all.... she said that the discriminators do not get to decide whether their actions are discriminatory. You don't get to say you're a good man to women, even if you believe it, only a woman can say that you're a good man to her.
Think of it another way: you're joking with a friend and you accidentally, unintentionally say something hurtful. Maybe you didn't mean to, but if you're friend is hurt, do you get to decide if what you said was ok, or do they?
Or let's try it in another wise woman's words: no one gets to make you feel inferior without your consent...
Im wondering. Is this suppose to be funny. Either way this man is stunning and brave.
That person is a she
😂
🤣🤣
This comment was much funnier than the entire video.
@@hirakaiko5570 what i did there was also a "joke"
This is a reminder that you can report misogynistic comments (and other hateful comments) to UA-cam. Lots to report here in this comment section.
UA-cam doesn't give a shit about comments.
The instinct to see criticism and become a hall monitor is so bizarre to me.
“The posts are disagreeing! Take them away!”
@@joeberg3317 have you read the comments in here? There's a difference between criticism and misogyny, and a lot of commenters here don't seem to understand (or care about) the difference.
If you wanna understand criticism, watch Gadsby's speech.
@@garywood97 I'd rather report in vain than do nothing at all.
Gillian Graven
It’s the YT comment section, people are gonna be crude and rude and stupid. That’s how it should be!
I just don’t get the instinct to run to mods to try and take things down. If you see a post that’s dumb, tell them they’re dumb. If you don’t care enough to do that, figure there’s another idiot in the world and move on. People are such cops about this stuff nowadays. Don’t think any of the “men should shut up and listen” posts should be removed, I’ll just disagree. :)
Hannah Gadsby is undeniably brilliant ❤
Nauseatingly self-righteous.
That's probably what it comes across as if you're dead inside and believe in nothing.
Shut up charlie
@@chunkatronic yeah shut up charlie
She’s like a caricature of female comic
She just reminds me of that Stewart Lee line, “Was it funny? No, but I agreed the fuck out of it”
Her world doesn't sound like an equal world. She can give me 1,984 reasons why I am wrong.
You're giving a rationalization for harrassment and rape, I hope you realize that.
@Jay Bee - The sad thing is ... he doesn't.
@@satyricon65 So insisting that it isn't the place of someone else to draw the line for me or my place to draw the line for them is somehow not equal? Explain.
You neglected to mention, when you said change it to white people, that you should also consider changing it to black people or brown people or Christian people for Mormon people.
Is there a video with Hannah speaking without comments for people that completely misunderstood her, writing stuff that somehow they don't realize only proves her points 🤯
But that is obviously not the case. You don't think we are able to see straight through her? She is the privelaged one. She is allowed and encouraged to freely spew her hatred from the stage at any given opportunity - and not only does she think she has the right not to be critisesed for this, she also feels she has the right to label it 'comedy' (despite being very very unfunny). She does not have the deep insight to understand that this is privelage - real privelage.
@@peps7721 where's the hatred? I don't see any hatred. Are you sensitive by any chance?
@@ada.3880 That's privilege for you, seeing only what you want to see
@@peps7721 ok imma say this slowly, cuz clearly you don't get it. Hannah's whole point in this speech. It's a speech, not a comedy bit. Is that outsiders of a minority aren't the ones who get to decide what's out of line. For example! It is not up to men to decide how to treat a woman. A woman should be the one telling what is and what isn't acceptable, because that makes the most logical sense. She realises that she's privileged because she's a white woman, and tells that white women, such as herself, shall not decide what is and isn't out of line for black people. Everyone has to be courteous to each other, because being disrespected hurts everyone. Even those people who claim that liberals are snowflakes for getting offended are those who call hannah a man because they're pissed at her for apparently hating men. You dislike being mistreated, right? That's what she's talking about here. Any questions?
@@ada.3880 You look at someones race and assume there that someone is therefore immediately naturally more privelaged. I fundamentally disagree with that outlook so I wonder if this is worth us even having this conversation. But also just this idea that certain individuals have the right to demand to be treated or spoken to only in ways that they find acceptable is childish beyond words. The whole idea of equality is to be able to deal with the crap that is likely to come your way - not for others to self censore in order to not hurt your feelings. If their actions are criminal, anti social, threatening or in any other way obviously beyond the pale, than that's obviously different and there are actual processes to deal with this. But to expect the rest of the world to read your emotions and then kick off when it doesn't work, is child-like beyond words.
Black guy in crowd was not laughing or clapping the whole time Lmao that’s the only thing tht made me laugh
He was trying to figure out what he was seeing.
There were several black men in the audience. Wonder which one the commenter was referring to? Or do they all look alike to you?
@@droxina He was referring to the black guy who was not laughing, thus distinguishing him from the other black guys. Nice try though.
@@droxina He said the one who wasn't laughing what the hell kind of question is that? "Do they all look alike to you?" Baha gfy
Harley Jameson “gfy “ It’s Covid lockdown - way ahead of you there buddy.
Condemning men on the basis of absolutely nothing else but their gender is such an ironic indictment coming from someone who’s life mission seems to be to fight against discrimination based on gender.
Allow me to use that paragraph.
Well said.
There is nothing inherent about a patriarchal structure. When the system itself is bad, making examples out of the people who got caught does not fix the overall problem with a workplace that encourages and harbors abusers. What, we all love Hollywood now?
She’s condemning everyone. We are all complicit. If you’re taking her speech personally that’s something to do with you,
@@notesfromunderdog8551 I think you need to listen to it again if you think she’s condemning everyone equally.
What an excellent speech! I’m hearing this June 12, 2020.
sadly very relevant still
I’m here 16 June 2020 still relevant
June 17th
@@shesails3313 June 18th.
Still.
Gosh how long is it going to last.
Where do women draw the line between good women and bad women?
That's right, you don't.
Dont do yourself a disservice by thinking most or even a noteable "some" women agree with what this "lady" is polluting the atmosphere with. *No one* should take this individual seriously before she's had 100's more hours of therapy (or a miracle).
Yes, that's exactly her point. If you fall in the group aforementioned you don't get to make decisions about how good or bad it is acceptable to be.
She's and ignorant narcissist.
Garden Variety Consent Dyslexics🤣🤣🤣
Yeah the funniest word combo! )
Because making fun of people with dyslexia is now okay?
@@justinr9784 obviously you didn’t understand the sentence.
@@evamocha2611 Well yeah you're right she's basically a white man so she can say whatever she likes.
@@justinr9784 you spelled woman wrong
"Consent dyslexic" >>I am dying :D
She is content dyslexic
Right no one consented to the ear assault taking place in the vid before the poor folks at this event have even had their morning coffee, yet here she is giving these people a full frontal of her emotional dysregulation.
Killer phrase. ❤️
@@harleyjameson1939 Pretty sure they all consented to attend a Women in Entertainment event and knew exactly what they were getting into. Pretty sure you clicked on the video having seen the title and thumbnail, so you consented to hear it too.
@@Mrpapayaheadrulesall Correct. And none of that makes it any less awkward or embarassing.
What she/he/them... is NOT saying is that we all as human beings should behave properly and decently with each other. Blaming only the "men" is an ideological vile, wrong, discriminatory form of pathological self entitlement
Or you could have watched the whole speech.
@@carolapollo-kennedy5031 just the fact that she, as a rabid feminist, singles out the whole male gender and elevates herself to a semi godly figure asperging dogmatic judgements on men in general is bad enough. Imagine a man doing the same with women: he would be cancelled, banned, ostracized, flogged to the bone and his remains left to the scavengers
This isn't comedy, it's tragedy.
HOORAY for Hannah!
She's too smart for most of you negative commenters.
You probably think you're a 'good' person.
" for every man will proclaim his own righteousness"
@Joshua Hammond what
@Joshua Hammond queefed*
Sometimes I feel that all the hating would be highly unnecessary if we just bothered to ask other people if they're comfortable with what we're doing to them.
I don't think she has many male friends to ask questions of.
You mean like what 99% of people already do?
sth white males missed from their priviledged upbringing, as we witness on a large scale EVERYDAY..!
@@p0llenp0ny obviously not or there wouldn't even be a discussion
@@yvonneshanson1525 same can be said about white women
Wow when after a 8 minute video I need to think for about 8 days.
God I love Hannah.
Every sentence is so thoughtful and thought provoking.
Took you 8 days cuz you're stupid lmfao
The audience is so confused
I see people nodding, smiling and applauding. Get your eyes checked, maybe?
charlie bucket ok
So what evar happened to follow your heart and treat people the way you want to be treated? And the idea that no one should be judged by their skin color or sex? After reading some (not all) the comments it seems nobody wants to help each other heal they just want their agenda to be the one that comes out on top. What she said really wasn't that profound she just wrap it up in a different type of wrapping paper. Just be nice and understand to where other people are coming from. Recognize that we are all individuals not a one sizes fits all.
I didn't think she even really wrapped it up differently, unless you count her rather awkward self-wrapping and transparent packaging (for the ideas, not her self). It made a lot of sense to me because I often feel awkward like that when trying to be "nice" to someone who is being, uh, I almost said "creepy". And I don't put quotation marks around my "nice" to belittle your usage. It's just, you know, those people who say, "Why can't you just be nice?" when you're trying to get them to stop being racist-sexist-you-know-ists. Especially prevalent in the Midwest.
She doesn't want men to know how to treat people. She wants to tell them how to live their lives. To tell them right from wrong....
@@RufoGman Yes, I want to tell men how to live their lives, too. "Don't beat people because they don't want to have sex with you."
"The good men don't have to wake up early"
Every single garbage man, power line technician, sewage worker, and struggling comedian begs to differ.
just gonna ignore the rest of her statement then? she wasnt talking about people going to work.
@@tai9705 this woman is sitting here in an air conditioned room in a fancy suit surrounded by wealth. All of these things brought to her by the modern world and is bemoaning how horrible her life is and how evil all white men are.
Oh I listened to her.
@@MrJustonemorevoice Dude, i dont think she was talking about you in particular. She just wanted to emphasize the fact, that everybody (not only men, but also every person essentially) needs to reflect upon himself and his deeds and check whether the high opinion, you have of yourself, holds up to a reality check ;)
To be fair: Hannah is talking about (white) men specifically because they for the longest time have controlled public debates and climates that reenforced this "I am an inherently good person and have never done any wrong"-thinking.
the whole statement is "the good men don't have to wake up early for their opportunity to monologue on misogyny." you're just looking for an excuse to bag on her. shut up and get a life
She's really using a metaphor here if you saw her shows (Which i assume not)
She is absolutely brilliant! The subtleties of her speech had so much to say which the dislikers have missed altogether.
She's not funny.
It's so brave
@@jasontodd7499 It. Was. A. Speech. Not. A. Stand-up. Routine.
@@chunkatronic i've seen bill burr and chris rock make speeches funny. Don't you use that excuse. She cares more about being inspiring than being funny. She would rather make a special about trauma than make a special about making trauma funny. Being a comedian means being able to find the humor in things. She's a poor comedian.
Some of the comments are astonishingly ignorant and indicative of the need to be spoon fed. Hannah is Australian, and we usually don’t spoon feed the point... we leave it up to people to use their brains to figure out the point. Some comments have made some excellent points, and I do not propose to know every nuance of the message to which she was communicating. There were many layers that required people to go away and THINK and apply the principles to themselves. NOT examine who she targeted, or what she left out, but understand our own part we play in defining lines for everyone except for ourselves. Men were used because they were topical, but she did list SOME (not comprehensively, but it shouldn’t be required) other culprits. One other commentator used the term “privilege”. It is the “winners” that write history and draw the boundaries, but it is also us simply not tending our own vineyard and trying to be “keepers to our brothers”. It’s about respecting humanity. But there is so much more to examine in what she said. Hannah is not a misandrist, she is very real and probably too intelligent for the ordinary person off the street to get her message in one listening.
I found it thought provoking and requiring of further discussion. The dialogue she began can now we build ON - not demolished.
dskmb3 Oh, women can be as equally awful... as I said, it’s about privilege (and transfer of power). No gender has the dominance on awfulness, but it is unfortunate that we see more evidence from men simply because more men hold positions of power.
@Penny Sawyer Yes, I agree with you. The comments to me are a proof that many of those commenting are unable to just percieve a quite artful speech without a) judging it accordingly to their judgement of the author rather than of the speech itself, or b) feeling personally attacked when just being suggested to reconsider.
So much fragility in the comments...
Frankie Basile Thank you for such a great example
Why cant you handle that?are you fragile?
Yeah, i dunno why people struggle so much with this.
Speaking as a white man, she's exactly on point on point about how i should listen to women and people of color. Messages like these help me behave reasonably, and ask myself and others questions I should be asking, and listening to the answers I should be listening to in order to improve. Members of in-groups should be thanking her for helping.
@@jsrodman, what if the women of color are wrong though?
Every man and woman for themselves, nobody is going to help you.
Interesting how every person who's commented about how ridiculous Hannah's opinions are, are male.
shalomkitty
Its very simple really. Kick a man and he’ll kick you back especially if his name is jimmie
No we're just smart.
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha, the best part was when she said enjoy your toast!
Oh man, this comment section is cancer! This just shows how ugly and stuck in their own world most people are :') We should all try to take a good look at how we behave towards other people now and then - this would have been such an opportunity, and it looks like very few people are ready to admit to their own shortcomings, and instead of trying to treat others with respect, they lash out because a speech such as this makes them uncomfortable - they know deep down that they are not perfect, and in need of change, just as everybody is, but they are too afraid of changing, too prideful.
I don't necessarily agree with everything Hannah said here, but I agree with the notion that everyone thinks that, in the end, they belong to the 'good people', and as such, anyone disagreeing with them is 'wrong'. Instead of going with 'good and bad', though, why can't more people go with 'respect for others' as a line? Everybody wants their opinion to be respected, and you should treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. If everyone treated others with respect, what an incredibly different world we would live in...
@Buttercup How does addressing the issues of another countries religious beliefs have anything to do with our behavior. She's addressing the things that impact women because she is a woman. She's addressing the things that impact LGBTQ+A because she is a part of the LGBTQ+A. And she's addressing the things that impact People of Color because she is white woman who's smart enough to know that she doesn't get to decide "where" where to draw the line, they do. Her talking about misogyny in Islam is the equivalent of white men getting to draw the line on what's appropriate for women. Muslim women are the ones that get to draw the line.... and we should support them, but we should NEVER do it for them. Because we are not Muslim women.
@Buttercup Are you triggered? LMAO GTFO Your argument is ridiculous and you're making an ass of yourself.
Do you think she holds herself to the same standard of self awareness?? 🤔
A great question for all of us.
"Rejecting the humanity of a woman is not creepy. It's misogyny."
The women that always struggle with filing R*pe cases unless they are false...
@@deeznutz8320 What?! :D
Thank you
Most men I know are good men who think they are bad, but I like her point about it being dangerous if you have to think others are bad to think you are good.
If "watching paint dry" was a person
I think what she says about 'the line' and who gets to draw it is a very dangerous concept. She doesn't say men shouldn't comment on experiences exclusive to women (which is a fair argument, one I am inclined to agree with), she says that 'the line' for any two groups of humans should be drawn by the disadvantaged. The idea of reducing people down to simply their immutable characteristics and not taking into account personality, empathy and individuality can lead to very severe cases of mob mentality. I think we all as humans have our own objectivity and biases and that's what makes us human. Hannah herself says in Nanette that it is not men who are born with misogyny and sexism but the power they were given that corrupted them. By that logic, giving the historically disadvantaged and disenfranchised the power to draw the 'line' will lead us down a road of revenge not equality and peace.
To me individual responsibility is much more important than collective responsibility. The ability to question yourself transparently or true self awareness would lead to a far better life than listening to other people about 'the line' and your position relative to it, because if you can't trust your own objectivity, one of the very things that makes you you, how can you ever trust someone else's?
@@AmmaSoelberg Thanks! I felt like I had to say something because most of the people in the comments misinterpreted what she was saying.
But we don't have an impartial judge here. So the choice is between giving the power to decide what's ok and what's not to the victims, or giving it to the bullies. I think both systems are imperfect, but one is clearly worse. Don't you agree?
It’s much easier if you think about it as setting personal boundaries and having people respect them bc that’s all ‘the line’ really is
@@rainbowpurplepegasus251 If you frame it that way then yea I would definitely agree. No one should disrespect personal boundaries. As long as we can agree that they are just that: personal
Well said. And we have strict laws against all of that stuff she's complaining about. We can't control how people behave or interpret those laws, but it seems she's arguing for no due process, and just letting this amorphous group "non-men" people decide who's guilty or not on twitter? And this amorphous, vague group "Non-white" people decide on twitter which white people are guilty? And if you don't fit those demographics, you need to be quiet and just await your sentence? Very totalitarian, and doesn't work in the real world, in a liberal society of laws and due process.
Having said that, Harvey and Cosby are really bad men... and I'm a good person.
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I would on most levels agree with you, (taking into consideration that I have never met you), however, I think that that fits perfectly into what she is saying.
She is NOT saying that there is not a line, and she is NOT saying that all men are bad.
She is saying that the line should be drawn by women, not men, and that using your logic, even the worst possible men could justify themselves.
You could very well be on the "good" side of that line, but that is not for me, or any other man to say.
Say whatever u want....the crowd is not “with” her throughout the speech...you can hear it.
It's called the sound of people thinking
The loudest applause come at the end..and rightly so.....not during her dissection of the straight white male original sin existing
Sin of existing......
Hers is not a moderate voice...I do realize her audience demographics at the luncheon...but some of those white Women actually have sons brothers husbands and fathers that they aren’t going to write off as rapist apologists at the behest of ms gadsby
Oh and when u believe u have the only correct point of view ....thought has ceased....in Hannah’s case
Impactful. Thanks. Again. And again.
Women wanting all the good things and none of the bad is not equality it's misandry
She talks as if there are no bad women.
This was deep. I kept thinking about days after and it has altered how I see life and humanity.
:)
That's very encouraging to hear, actually, thank you.
You’ve both got the intellect of 12 year olds clearly. How was school in lockdown?
She serves extremely difficult ideas, ideas that a huge number of people don’t want to eat, a deeply layered, textured, saucy crow stew. A brilliance too strong for some while leaving the parched begging for more. Brava.
@Flowing Explorer She can actually think, which is more than can be said of you.
You're basically the girl that says she can see the fleas in the flea circus. Trying to be cool by showing people how "you get it" when nothing is there. Its not deeply layered nuance when she is be exceptionally blunt and to the point... its just rhetoric from a lesbian.
Matthew Kennedy
You are just a fucking stupid man taking up space and wasting good air.
I love how threatening she is to men just by sharing simple truths. Y'all are weak 😂
So true! She's doing nothing especially radical except not kowtowing in the hope of not offending men, which has been the norm for... well, forever. And men who have never thought (or had to think) twice about their own behavior are flipping out.
What truth did she speak?....please elaborate
nothing threatening about a dude saying stupid shit
@@davidkane1658 she literally said nothing.
No, Y’all a fucking man-hating lesbian.
She's literally preaching that any group not in that group has no right to preach about certain issues. Yet here she is preaching, about men, non-white people, etc.
My God I'm inlove with Hannah since like 2009!
When she was only a local Aussie star in Melbourne Comedy Fest and Good News Week!
And every year I fell inlove more and more.
You have low standards.
I watched the whole speech just b/c I wanted to. And Hannah Gadsby makes entirely uncomfortable as a woman. There's something very hallow about her.
I showed it to my wife and she says she seems a very negative person. She also says that she doesn't believe her stories about her being abused and beat up and all of that.
Rumour has it that she is a comedian.
Rumor has it you have nothing useful to say
As someone with Autism, I genuinely have trouble reading social cues. That's not an excuse though. If you have trouble reading cues, that just means you work harder. You reaffirm "are you okay with this? Are you sure this is all right?" That's all it takes. It's impossible to misread cues if you just fucking try. Nobody ever "thinks a girl wanted it". Because you would have made damn well sure. Consent should not be left up to a fucking hunch.
Perfectly said. Thank you.
That is a fundamental view she makes clear, wish she talk more about
I'll see myself out.
The semi-colon thing, was quite the clever joke🙌🏾
Holy shit, this lady is a brilliant fucking speaker, albeit I disagree with her comparison between women/POC to gender identity, which do not function to the same degree as sex and race and are not tied to power structures in the same way.
I clapped for you alone in my living room periodically throughout your talk, and when it ended I said out loud “holy crap that was amazing” thank you for your insight Hannah
I’d been trying to articulate this idea yesterday in a discussion...
cringe
I don't expect YT comments to be insightful, or anything less than hateful if I'm being honest. But it seems like someone linked this in a reddit thread r/misandryisreal and all the whiny misogynists and homophobes came out the woodworks.
For a white women all i can say is I appreciate your comment, but this is not yours conversation. This is a black issue of justice only. Stay out of it and give blacks reparations and only vote for black leaders. Thats the right thing to do to dismantle your privilege.
Matthew Kennedy I think you’re on the wrong comment thread.
Levi Brennan And most male comics spew insulting woman-hating bullshit but that’s seemed to be just fine until recent history.
Uh oh, 5.2k Kevins didn't like this:(
She pretty much took a shit on ALL men, including the good ones. She's sexist, but it's okay because she's a woman? Double standards are the recipes of discrimination.
I wish she would have provided multiple examples of these lines to illuminate precisely how they draw in the sand “relatively determined” by people in various situations. Fit is FUNDAMENTAL vital to point out the flaws in each line because IGNORANCE due to “societal norms” mask the true impact of all these behaviors.
There are a lot of men in the comments here who don’t seem to be very happy. Hang on... I have something for you...
🎻
Can’t seem to make it any smaller.
lmao I couldn't have said it better myself
Wow take it easy there, Don Rickles.
sarah probably hasnt done anything harder than lift a shovel in her life
Yes to everything she said. I’m so grateful for her words and platform!
No.
She suffers from a psychological complex due to past traumas..
Traumas act as a kind of psychological defence mechanism but they sadly SIMPLIFY, and therefore distort our reality(filtering out information that does not meet the functionality of the COMPLEX)..
In this case..she obviously has a complex about white straight men. The COMPLEX will GROUP all white straight men together and IRON out and traits of individuality, nuance, personality or unique perspective...
Why does the complex do this?... because rather than looking at people as individuals(and decide on a case by case basis if they are a threat or not), its EASIER(energetically and mentally) to broadly categorise and LUMP people into the same category(and by default treat them as a "threat"..)
In this case she has categorised men into just 2 categories (as if our humanity is that simple)..
So she has become the same thing she preached against.... DEHUMANISATION..
Which makes her a hypocrite
Carl Jung "thinking is difficult, that's why most people judge"
Dear Men. It’s time for you to evolve. Welcome to 2019.
Sexism is cool when it is aimed at men.
Generalize a bit more why don't you. Even the audience seemed confused / uncomfortable.
Beautiful. It's not the predators who decide where the line is. It is the potential victims. We say, when we feel hurt. When we feel uncomfortable. When we feel disrespected. That is what respect is. Letting others decide, where their line is.
@@KarlSnarks of course you as a person can judge her every way your little brain wants to. If every male Predator would be as peaceful against women as she is against men, there would be no relevant problem. ;) Or what has she ever done to you besides pointing out sociological research results (institutional power, unconscious bias, ...)?
say what you want, but in no way she is backed up by an institutionalized power, as men are against women, as whites are against poc, as straights are against lgbt.
but tell me: what exactly is her ambition as "misandrist"? not letting you rape her? yep totally her goal;)
Your irrational comment hurts me, you cannot defend yourself as it is only about what I feel, empirical evidence is irrelevant. Justice shall be made so I can feel better
generalize men, call men predetors and demand respect ,😂😂 stupid
Right ok, ever had a gun pointed at you? Well I have. No, you don't decide were the line is.
She makes many great points here! I loved her Netflix special and hope to see a lot from her in the future 😊
In what way? Her comment about men is nonsensical, women already are the gold standard that judges male behavior and decides whether something is appropriate or not. In the realm of sexuality a man gets into a lot of trouble if he is "having fun" with a girl, she goes home to him or they go to her and afterwards she decides she was (somehow) forced. If she says no, then its done and he clearly has done wrong because he obviously acted against her will, the court will rule in her favor (which is perfectly fine) but if she says she was afraid to say "no" then the court will often sill rule that the man didn't double check every minute with her and still get into a lot of trouble, even though to an outsider it would look perfectly consentual, after all we cannot mind read. You already have all the power. What Hannah Gadsby wants is that women get to define what is appropriate for a man to say to another man when nobody else is around. That is thought policing of the highest degree: so you and your girls talking about guys in whatever way you wish is "heroic" and "just exercising my freedom and how dare you intrude where you have no right, it's my privacy", but when a few guys retreat into a basement and do what you do: simply exercising their freedom of speech a crime is being committed because you might not like what they talk about? That is literal insansity. What if I don't like girls talking about guys penis size, their breath or bad hygiene behind their back? Are you going to stop? Or are you going to do what every sane person would do and say:" Respectfully shut the fuck up, because this is none of your business?"
The other point about replacing everything she said about men with "white". Another nonsense argument: If she is so concerned about the "good white people" deciding what are "bad white people", how about she stops to talk then, because she is clearly a "good white person drawing a line" and clearly can't be trusted to know what she is talking about. If you are going to say its "only white men" who cannot be trusted to have an opinion, then you have the same mindset as victorian england had about women's rights to vote and Hitler's claims that jews have no right to an opinion, because they are jews and behave like jews. If white men were as evil and opressive as you claim and want to rule over all other races, wouldn't the other predominantly white powers like America, England, France, Australia and Canada simply accepted Hitler's Rethoric and helped him exerminate the most undesirable races (jews in hitlers case) and put the rest into bondage as work slaves as he had planned?
What utter nonsense, go ahead and refute what I said I am waiting, and adress what I said, rather than try to sway me with some half baked historical half-truths, that somehow make me responsible for millennia of bloodshed and opression, because if you do that, you don't see me as an individual, but try to symbolically use me as a scapegoat for an entire group of people. That is moral barbarity like bloodfeuds and familiy curses, in which responsibility is spread to all generations after an original sin if you want, being condemned not for what I did, but what someone did that can be losely classified as what I look like, namely white and male, the very definition of unhinged and unapologetic racial hate and misandry.
Richard Lloyd Brilliant. I really wish more people understood world history, philosophy, and psychology as well as you clearly do. It's so easy to see through BS when you have that kind of knowledge, and Hannah is 100% full of it.
Cringe 😑
I, as a straight white man entirely missing the point of this video, would like to provide what I think is both reasonable support and a reasonable objection to Hannah's (incredible) speech.
She's right: men are biased towards always labelling themselves as 'good men'. Men are biased towards labelling their friends, their family, their role models and their loved ones 'good' people, too.
She's right about the same applying to white people.
And she's right about the same applying to the cis-gendered, the able-bodied and the neurotypical.
She's right that drawing lines between good people and bad people inevitably results in this black and white idea that everyone is either a good person who needs to stop the bad people, or a bad person who needs to change. But because everyone thinks about themselves as good people, change comes slowly, and no one ever works on changing themselves instead of those around them.
She's right that victims need to be put in positions of power that help them end their persecution, she's right that those people need a voice and a platform and for their voices to be heard just as loudly as the 'Jimmies' we have so many of.
I think the point where she's a little off, or perhaps the point that so many people who react negatively to this take home, is the idea that victims know how to end their persecution better than anyone else. Or the idea that victims can draw these lines better than anyone else.
The truth is, women are just as biased towards labelling themselves and 'good women', black people just as biased towards labelling themselves as 'good black people', and so on for the LGBT community and more. In group bias is a universal psychological phenomena that doesn't suspend its effects on minorities. Liberals who openly weeped at 'Trump the misogynist' getting elected have stayed silent on Joe Biden's sexual assault allegations. Feminists who have pledged their lives to protecting and supporting women have rejected those same women the second they transition to men, or vice versa. When was the last time you heard of a Muslim criticising a Muslim, without either one of them having the prefix 'ex-' before that title?
And if you're going to say groups should get to choose what is or isn't prejudice against them, does that mean you unreservedly support men's rights activists deciding what counts as prejudice against men?
The truth is, everyone who identifies as part of a group will always see those outside the group as 'the other', 'the enemy', and that's a problem. And the solution involves making sure that *everyone* is represented on these stages so that decisions can be made in an informed matter - one-sided arguments are one-sided no matter which side they're in favour of. We need to break down tribalistic group identities, open ourselves up to criticising not just others and their groups, but our own groups and ourselves. Everyone reading this could do something more to end this type of prejudice, and that isn't something to be ashamed of. Stop thinking of the war on prejudice as a war, because wars have sides, and sides are groups, and groups breed prejudice. Turn the war on prejudice into a group effort towards a better world.
With all that said, Hannah's right to be targeting men, white people, and so on, because these groups are the ones with the power, the one's we're *already* hearing from, and we need to get more power on the other side of these issues. I can only imagine the frustration she, and many other women, must feel when every talk show discussing misogyny is run by a man. I hope her efforts, the efforts of those like her, and the efforts of those touched by her work go on to help this world become a better place.
Perfectly said! I agree with her whole speech, but I also agree it should not be overlooked that marginalized people are people nonetheless, who make the same mistakes and have the same prejudices as non-marginalized people
I can't say I agree with you. I don't know what "Liberal women" you know and talk to, but every woman of color that calls themselves a progressive or typically vote Dem are furious that Joe Butthead is our nominee.
I don't think we need to move away from labels, I think that's impossible and unneeded. I think we need to acknowledge the groups that we DO fall in and see how we can do better for the people not in those groups. Not only that, but we have to evaluate consistently if we are living by the standard we set for other people. So, if I say "Institutional racism is a problem" I need to not only be part of the solution, but I should also question myself to see if anything I do contributes to the problem and fix/address it.
@@96pokadot
Great to hear! If the people you know are furious about Joe Biden, that's good to know. Double standards are just another piece of ammunition in the people that disagree with you's arsenal.
I'm not saying we need to abandon labels though, more that labels need to stop being our identity. I'll always be a man, or white, or boardgame lover, or progressive, but being 'progressive' isn't important to me. Being progressive is just a label used to help people identify the broad strokes of what I believe, not a label that I use to tell me what I should believe. The labels should change to best describe me, I shouldn't change so that I best fit the label.
And you're right, making those group labels no longer a part of our identity does require acknowledging them and trying to better relate to those outside of them, so I think we're on the same page :)
Thank you for taking the time to present a considered, rational and balanced perspective. Your comment deserves more likes.
@R D
You disagree with the universally observed phenomena of ingroup bias? Feel free to look that up, it's one of the most well established and tested phenomena in psychology. Totally arbitrary differences can cause such bias, and I'd say being a man is far more than an arbitrary trait.
If you disagree I'd love to hear why. I mean, you'd probably get a Nobel Prize if you could show that ingroup bias didn't exist, but if I'm misunderstanding or misconstrueing you here, please do put me in my place. I'm just surprised that out of everything I've said that the second sentence is what you'd disagree with so significantly as to think everything else I said is garbage.
Human beings of both genders aren't good or bad. People, including...women, black, gay, straight, men...
Sometimes just fuck up and make mistakes. God Forbid, people actually choose to forgive anyone for their mistakes.
Maybe we'd have less bitterness and hatred in the world.
She is absolutely right- people (all healthy people - not just white men) see themselves as good. Those that don't suffer from depression, or have low self esteem issues.
An example is the guy who asks a woman out- she says no. He accepts the no as a no (so he is a Jimmy) but he says to himself- 'she's a skank anyway', or she doesn't know what she is missing out on.' it is a natural, normal reaction to rejection to protect your self esteem. The bad guy (who still sees himself as good) who has raped and murdered someone says "she deserved it'. Or if it's a white woman taking part in the persecution of a black guy "he deserves it, the filthy animal". She goes to church every Sunday, and Jesus loves her.
One way people have of maintaining their belief in their own personal goodness is Cognitive Dissonance. She faced with information that may indicate their behaviour is unacceptable- rather than change their behaviour, they adjust how they process that information. There are a plethora of example in the comments section.
This. Rather than admit that there is an issue and open a respectful discussion about it, people would very much rather say "not me!" or "not all men!". Instead of trying to address the issue, people focus on trying to prove that they aren't a part of it.
You two need to seek help if you really think like this...
@@ericshuty2564 Where is it wrong though? People usually perceive themselves to be good. Correct. Many people blame others to preserve pride. Correct. Some people would rather say "not me" than try to solve an issue. Correct. I don't see why you take issue with it?
She’s a hypocrite. Hannah sees herself as good while brandishing all men as evil.
I mean, for hating them, she tries an awful lot to look like them.
@@hopedean6424 people do recognize when they're wrong you moron. Its called having conscious. To dictate a consciousness based on race and sex is what Hitler would have be in favor of. You people are sick.
“No more monologues about misogyny” - continues to give 10 minute monologue about misogyny
She just gets up there and says the damn thing. I love her.
What exactly is the problem you're objecting to? What is your proposed solution? What am I, as a cis hetero white man, doing wrong? In what way am I oppressing or marginalizing anyone? How am I keeping women down? Don't just complain. Give us answers.
Do better, stop asking for others to do your work.
enjoy your toast
@@apollo5458 I'm pretty sure she meant "enjoy your toast." If you listen from the start, this is clearly a breakfast event.
@@apollo5458 Maybe just calm down? You may not appreciate/ understand Lily's comment, but 25 other people do. What does it matter to you?
helgecko
If you don’t wish to engage in a conversation with a man who is attempting to get an understanding of womens issues then thats up to you .
I fail to see how your going to address the issue of male privilege if you don’t engage with them . Huddling in groups and throwing barbs and using snide comments will do absolutely nothing to address the problem . Perhaps that is why feminism has achieved as little as it has .
I would wish you good luck but considering you don’t care what i think I can only say that your problems are nothing to do with me and congratulate you on making another enemy for feminism and womens rights in general . Good work .
@@apollo5458 If you were an empathic, self aware person, you wouldn't be afraid of change and embrace equal rights and opportunities for everyone.
Swan
If all you are going to do is use insults and innuendo and continue to attack then all you have done is make it obvious that your not interested in at least trying to see someone else’s point of view. There are good reasons why i think woman have it a lot easier than they think and why feminism has made things worse for woman , but it takes two open minded people to be able to have an intelligent conversation and your comments don’t appear to be those of an open minded person , there by rendering a reasonable conversation impossible.