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9 💔 31 They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords,* instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
Check out the super interesting video by Llyod de Jongh entitled "Moonotheism 1. Islam's Yemeni and Babylonian pagan roots". Some fascinating pre-Islamic pagan history.
It's interesting how Muslims say they love Moses and the prophets, but the Quran paints them as cowardly, incompetent and selfish. The true Moses was willing to die for Israel, the Quranic Moses was willing to watch all of Israel die to save his own skin. What blasphemy.
@@theastronomer5800 Many secular scholars doubted the existence of the ancient city of Nineva or that King David was an actual person - until archaeological discoveries proved both. Those are just 2 examples, since archaeological discoveries consistently support the biblical narrative.
@@angrygirl7083 I don't think the commenter was implying that "Islam Critiqued" lacked wisdom, but that he hoped God would continue blessing him with even MORE wisdom.
@@Endgame707 No way! You're joking with me? That's much nicer than cutting hands off. 😔💔😔 I only use verbal fire and evil eyes. My only birthed one told me that some people only understand getting the literal hell beat out of them. That was back in 2016 and the last time I was in vehicle with him. A darn demon tried giving us a head on collision. He said if I wasn't with him, he'd chase him down and beat him. I brought up the police and he said they'd support him.
The golden calf mooing is pretty funny. Totally contradicts the rest of the Bible which says that idols are mute, and that idolaters are incapable of creating life.
(I’m a Protestant, not a Muslim) The Quran calf didn’t make a literal mooing sound, if you actually read the verse. It says it _looked like_ it made a mooing sound; it was describing how the calf looked like. It says in the very next sentence that the idol didn’t speak to them. What he was probably getting at was that it’s funny the words “mooing sound” were in the Quran, not that the calf was literally making little moos. I hate Muhammad and Islam, but I think it’s important to get things right.
@@disguisedcentennial835 You are incorrect. You're going off of a translation, or, more accurately, what is inserted into a translation. A source as easily accessible as The Study Quran confirms it made the sound of a live calf, possibly through sorcery. See the video on the endscreen for the origin of this story.
Muslims : These are just qiraats it doesnt matter biro. me : What is the difference between hurt and heart. Muslims : You are islamophobe anti palestinian jew who hate God because you know God exist. Me : Understood Have a nice day
If the Koran was written and published today the one reading the manuscript deciding to publish it or not would quickly toss it in the shredder and write a no thank you letter That and the Koran is so confusing it makes you wonder if they were drunk when writing it
The concept that Islam borrowed from Jewish Mysticism is fascinating and feasible, I will definitely do my own investigation son this topic. Blessed is יהוה our God, may he reveal all truth.
Surah 7:155 is another treasure brought to light by muslims. It says "Allah is the best of Forgivers". So who else forgives sins and how many Forgivers are there? I won't hold my breath for an answer from muslims since I still haven't got the answer to a similar question about allah being the best of Creators.
@@childofgod4862 I don't know which diety you speak of, but I worship the triune God: Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. I most certainly will not change my name
@@midwifeofyhwh3158 My friend, Midwife means the one who helps with delivery and your name means the one who delievers YHWH Just think and ask God what is you said is true or it is just insulting to God because God does not need Midwife Ok? If you write Midwife to any body I do not care but you are mis using the name of the God in vain breaking the 3rd commandment Ok?
@@childofgod4862 I think you're misunderstanding how English can be used. In saying I'm a midwife of YHWH means I'm in the service to YHWH, not delivering Him! Meaning I belong to Him, called by Him, and do my work for Him! Saying "of" in English often means ownership. I'm owned by YHWH, therefore I'm a midwife of YHWH.
@@childofgod4862 it's like saying I'm YHWH's midwife, but I didn't want to make it seem like I'm His only one! Lol. There are numerous other midwives around the world who are in service to Him
Really appreciate the insight using this technology to provide instructional insightful into islams ambiguities of interpretation (golden calf mooing).
Odd also that the Quranic author doesn't mention that the elders of Israel beheld God in Exodus 24. These appearance of God in visible form one sees there and elsewhere are part of the experience of God, that lead eventually to the elaboration of the "two powers in heaven" Jewish theology in the intertestimental period, and the fuller idea of the Trinity when the Messiah came, in accordance with prophecy. He does not seem to feel bad about cutting out what he doesn't like and altering the biblical ideas.
I've read the Bible and the Quran but totally missed the fact Moses wasn't an intercessor in the Quran. I just automatically see Moses as an intercessor like Jesus Christ even when reading the Quran. Of course the Quran was very painful to read and very hard to follow. Both of these videos are a blessing. Pointing out the Elijah was replaced as soon he stopped representing his people is something I missed when studying the scripture . Elijah was still a great man of God.
Musa (AS) asked God what His name was, and God replied: 'Allah.' But then, the JOOOZ altered that, and after that, the Chrishchuns korrupted it as well.
@@SanteLiberatore they are not. You are Christianphobic. Your allah and his moron profit were christian phobic. Not to mention they were also apostatesphobic. But christian conservative women knows what the Bible teaches. Funny thing about conservative muslim women is they don't know what their profit taught about women and what his god agreed on Muhammed's thoughts. You build mosques in christian countries but when christian builds in your country your hatred drives you mad and you destroy it. But when someone does this same with you, your response to them is they are islamophobes. Irony.
But isn't the Golden Calf not a different god, but meant to represent YHWH, in a form the people felt comfortable with (a pagan Egyptian manner)? You know: the people dictating to God how they will approach Him, disregarding the clear instructions given to Moses as to how does God want to be approached? Just saying, there's no way Aaron would make an idol of say Baal and be kept in his high priest position...
So the people who created the golden calf and it moo'ed, thereby confirming it had life, are they co-creators with Allah? Biblical Moses, meekest of men. Koranic Moses, severe and hard against men. Muslims, come to Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of our faith
So you think when Moses said "forgive us" towards the end of verse 155 he was not including those people that committed the offence that needed forgiving? Edit: corrected for typos
According to the Quran. The earthquake prompted the statement, not the golden calf. The people in 155 didn’t commit the sin. This is consistent with the parallels of Moses elsewhere as well as the Qurans view of intercession in general.
my post quoted in the vid shows in the Quran Abraham and Muhammad interceding, appart from Moses. The Primary prophetic function is warnings and glad tidings. Intercession is not what prophets are sent for, rather a natural result of their empathetic disposition towards their own people and families who are among their addressees. It is a personal choice by the prophets, not a divine requirement. Christians see prophetic intercession as necessarily flowing from their unbiblical "loving God" mantra, because it fits their father-son/sacrifice plot. However, the normal course of action in the prophetic pattern is that rejection eventually leads to destruction of an entire nation save the prophets and their righteous followers (if there are any). That is why at the golden calf incident, prior to Moses pleading for the community, God says Ex32:10"Now leave Me alone, and My anger will be kindled against them so that I will annihilate them, and I will make you into a great nation". Everyone besides Moses it seems, was implicated, from close or far with idolatry. God then reconsiders what He would have normally done, which is to wipe out everyone at once, leaving it to the Israelites themselves to purge their ranks from those more directly involved in the sin. 3000 apostates were slaughtered in a day, with many more marked for death pending execution. The second day, thinking enough was done to earn the remaining guilty forgiveness, Moses intercedes once more but is rejected, as the chapter ends with the statement that "the Lord struck the people with a plague, because they had made the calf that Aaron had made". A similar situation occurs with the incidents of the scouts. The Israelites anger YHWH again, He decides to wipe everyone out, Moses intercedes, but only gets a delayed punishment. Instead of exterminating the whole nation right away, God decreed for them a 40 years desert wandering that would cause the entire generation of rebels to pass away, and make place for a new breed that would be given the priviledge of entering the blessed land, together with those that had not shown distrust in God when the order to enter the land was decreed Numb14:1-39. Through this 40 years "slow death" God caused a separation between the obedient and the defiant as reflected in Moses' prayer in the Quran 5:25. As to the chronology of 7:155, proper reading of context explains the passage. A close reading of suras 7 and 20 shows that some calf worshippers came back to their senses and remorsefully asked God's forgiveness prior to Moses' return 7:148-9 while others violently resisted Aaron's calls and refused to desist 7:150,20:91. The divine order of slaying those that insisted in their sin up to Moses' return was meant to put the resolve and penitence of those that had desisted prior to Moses' return, to the test. The others were disgraced in this world, as well as inflicted with God's wrath, executed by the hand of their own people and family 2:51-4,7:152-3. This was obviously no straight forward task to accomplish. Besides the heavy emotional factor, it would have taken time to designate, apprehend, execute one's own people. It was a mercy from Allah upon Moses and the repentent sinners that the process was interrupted at some point. Allah summoned Moses and 70 elders of the community (a reoccuring theme in the Torah Ex24,Num11) to seek forgiveness. At that point of meeting, Allah demonstrates His anger at the deed of their people 7:155 but follows by declaring that His Will, in terms of what He does with His creatures is free from any constraints. He may remove His decreed punishment at any point, in accordance with His boundless mercy 7:156"but My mercy encompasses all things. So I will decree it [especially] for those who fear Me and give zakah and those who believe in Our verses". Here Allah explains to Moses and the 70 what is required of their people for the punishment to be suspended, and by extension, to interrupt their own trial of having to slaughter the apostates among their people. In the HB no reference is made of those that had repented prior to Moses' return, neither of the loving biblical God mercifully suspending the execution of the apostates, as eloquently found in the Quran. Instead God finishes off with a plague the remaining sinners that survived the sword of their brethren the day before. As to the calf, the Quran says it was made in a way so that a lowing sound would come out of it, probably produced by wind effects entering the hollow body in order to delude the ignorant and simple people. Ancient people tried giving a semblant of life to their idols, sometimes in a naive manner, simply carving in them eyes or ears. See Quran 7:197-8. At other times they were very crafty at animating their idols and the Israelites were no exception, including the "foreigners" that left Egypt with them and that counted among them, according to the Zohar, all the magicians that were impressed and could not replicate Moses' miracles. The Quran too passively alludes to these non Israelites that followed Moses, in accordance with his function as a liberator not only to the Israelites but also to anyone living in spiritual bondage under Pharao. Rashi's commentary on Ezek8:14 reflects the aforementioned craftiness of ancient people in animating their idols "And He brought me to the entrance of the gate of the house of the Lord that is to the north, and behold there the women were sitting, making the Tammuz weep". Similarly during the course of their history they had household gods called "teraphim" which were made to emit sounds that the diviners were able to decipher Ezek21:26,Zech10:2.
Muhammad interceding? All you did was quote later tradition. I can show you later tradition that says a rock will intercede. You quoted Surah 11:74-76 where Abraham "turns" from his dispute. It's a sin in the Quran! He repented from it (v. 75)! This is not in the Torah. You're proving my point. As I said in the prior video, the Quran omits or condemns intercession accordingly. "The Primary prophetic function is warnings and glad tidings....." in the Quran. In the Bible, there's more to it. A close reading of the golden calf accounts in the Quran shows more differences than similarities and cannot be harmonized. A recently article has been produced on this. Don't tell me about your "close" reading as if that clarifies anything. The lowing sound...I have a whole video on that. It's in rabbinic sources from which the Quran drank deeply. I notice you read into the Quran your own preferred explanation. Your comment is incredibly bloated as if a long comment makes your argument stronger.
@@IslamCritiqued both Quran and hadith were quoted in relation to the prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wa salam. Ibrahim does not turn from any dispute. His qualities given in v75 including tawba (turning to God) are precisely what made him intercede for Lut's people, peace be upon them both. Sound emanating from an idol, in this case the calf, fits very well ancient practices, including Israelites' as referenced.
You can take your tradition which comes hundreds of years later and call it authoritative. I don't, and there are good reasons for it. "His qualities given in v. 75 including tawba (turning to God) are precisely what made him intercede for Lut's people...." Tawba in the Quran has the nuance of "turning in repentance" (e.g., 30:31, 34:9). This makes more sense because Abraham's description in 11:75 is very close to 9:114, which is given after he disowned his father (i.e., stopped interceding). And you don't need to give the reason for intercession, it's in the Quran: "Lot is in it" (Q. 29:32). Regardless, Surah 9:113 trumps all of your attempts. At times in your argument above you have put Moses and Abraham very close to, if not in violation of, that verse.
It's interesting that ibn Kathir disagrees with you on Surah 11:75: "Therefore, Ibrahim remained silent and his soul was at rest. Concerning Allah's statement, (Verily, Ibrahim was, without doubt, forbearing, used to invoke Alllah with humility, and was repentant (to Allah)." The state of Abraham in v. 75 is the result of being at peace with the destruction of the cities.
@@IslamCritiqued quran verses, aside from hadith, depict the intercession of the prophet Muhammad. The idea that hadith literature and science of isnad is wholesale unreliable is not the position of mainstream academia, if that is your authority. Ibrahim pleads with God for the whole nation of Lut, not only for Lut 11:24. Not because he sided with the sinners but to avert the death of everyone, sinners and righteous alike, including Lut. Hence the statement that "Lut is in it" of 29:32 in reaction to the first encounter with the messengers, as they said they will destroy everyone in the town. This type of intercession is not about forgiveness, as in the prohibition of 9:113. Abraham's "intercession" in Genesis is the same. He pleads for the town by virtue of the righteous in it, even if "perhaps ten will be found there". These potential 10 are Lut's few followers alluded to in the Quran 29:32. It is worthwhile noting here the Quran's rectification of typical HB naive anthropomorphisms. God has to go personally to Sodom to confirm the news that came to Him about the wickedness of its people Gen18:21. Then begins the unrealistic back and forth bargaining with Abraham where God says what He would do depending on what He finds out once He gets to the city. The Quran, as it always does in its retelling of defective HB narratives, protects God's omniscience 29:32"We are more knowing of who is within it. We will surely save him and his family, except his wife. She is to be of those who remain behind". This is what caused Ibrahim's soul to be at rest, as stated by ibn kathir. Not because of "the destruction of the cities".
sahih muslim 2749 book 50, hadith 13 book 37, hadith 6622 By him in whose hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, allah would sweep you out of existence and he would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from allah and he would have pardoned them. allah encourages muslims to sin, while the real God and His son Jesus Christ encourages people not to sin and not to live in sin, this verse just proves that allah is satan and no matter how muslims rebuke this, they can’t
Consider these three religions: (1) Judaism, (2) Christianity, and (3) Islam - each of which has its own “Official Holy Book”. For Judaism, the Official Holy Book is the Old Testament. Without the Old Testament, there is no Judaism. For Christianity, the Official Holy Book is the New Testament. Without the New Testament, there is no Christianity. For Islam, the official holy book is the Quran. Without the Quran, there is no Islam. * By now, if you have an I.Q. level of 2 points above the I.Q. level of a pencil eraser, then you know that God did not reach out His Hands through time and space in order to deliver to mankind a hand-written Book called “Scriptures”. But rather, God revealed both Himself and His Word to mankind in divine mysteries so as to allow human beings, in their own words and styles of writings (be it essay, drama, or poetry), to write down God’s revelation on writing materials such as papyrus (and, or animal skins). * In Judaism, the men who hand-wrote down God’s revelation have names such as Moses, Elijah, David, Obadiah, Isaiah, Malachi, etc. And in Christianity, we have names like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, James, etc. Strangely (and more damagingly) in Islam, there are no names for the men who hand-wrote down the Quran on fragmentary pieces such as sticks, stones, animal ribs, and camel jawbones. In other words, nobody knows who wrote the Quran that was later collected and compiled into a book by Uthman. * Again, if you have an I.Q. level of 2 points above the I.Q. level of a pencil eraser, you know the question “Who wrote the Quran?” is a valid question that demands an answer. But of course, this is just a waste of time - yours and mine; because Muslins will spend hours and hours telling us of how Allah surgically implanted “The first 7th century computerized human memory chips” in the brains of Quran reciters so as to never forget Quran verses. * Sahih al-Bukhari 5038: Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget."
you are certainly correct that the Quranic Musa does not intercede for the israelites while the biblical one does, this is likely another instance of the Quran corrrecting a biblical corruption subhan allah
Any time there’s a difference it’s the Quran correcting it- even though the Quran claims to affirm what came before. The Quran actually doesn’t know what came before. That’s the problem.
@@MaalikFaun so then I have no respect for your Quranic Musa. Because he is one of the worst choices of allah if we leave out Muhammed because he is worse than anyone. However the choice made by God of the bible here is perfect he knew that how can people just do what they want and that would make God angry. So Moses performs the duties of the prophet while the Musa of the Qur'an runs for his own life.
@@majormohitsharma7701 so you prefer fake Niceties to Real Justice because newsflash: the bible is corrupted beyond redemption while the Quran is perfectly preserved
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9 💔 31 They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords,* instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
[19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son."
We cannot thank you enough for the great teaching…. God bless.
Please see thread I made on this post.
Thank you for differentiating the quranic god from Yahweh
Check out the super interesting video by Llyod de Jongh entitled "Moonotheism 1. Islam's Yemeni and Babylonian pagan roots". Some fascinating pre-Islamic pagan history.
@@theastronomer5800 He was VERY RUDE TO ME RECENTLY!
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It's interesting how Muslims say they love Moses and the prophets, but the Quran paints them as cowardly, incompetent and selfish. The true Moses was willing to die for Israel, the Quranic Moses was willing to watch all of Israel die to save his own skin. What blasphemy.
Not to mention the hilarious story of the stone running away with his clothes !!
I think many scholars however doubt that he actually existed as a person though.
Point😉👍Well☝️Taken!
@@theastronomer5800 Many secular scholars doubted the existence of the ancient city of Nineva or that King David was an actual person - until archaeological discoveries proved both. Those are just 2 examples, since archaeological discoveries consistently support the biblical narrative.
On with the good work... May God gift you more wisdom.
He does NOT lack wisdom; perhaps YOU do.
@@angrygirl7083 I don't think the commenter was implying that "Islam Critiqued" lacked wisdom, but that he hoped God would continue blessing him with even MORE wisdom.
@@angrygirl7083 🤫 Perhaps you need the tickle monster to change your attitude & name? 🙃
@@Endgame707 Not your bro. What's wrong? Are you against laughter and fun times?
@@Endgame707 No way! You're joking with me? That's much nicer than cutting hands off.
😔💔😔 I only use verbal fire and evil eyes. My only birthed one told me that some people only understand getting the literal hell beat out of them. That was back in 2016 and the last time I was in vehicle with him. A darn demon tried giving us a head on collision. He said if I wasn't with him, he'd chase him down and beat him. I brought up the police and he said they'd support him.
The Quran is like if Chris Chan wrote fanfiction of the Bible.
It's funny you mentioned Chris chan, cause he calls himself a prophet.
@@Sheikh_Speare See my thread on this post
@@BestIsntEasy Naw I'm good.
Every one write your holy book but didn't the Quran. I rewrite your holybook again Gospel of Khan but you didn't rewrite my Holy Quran
The golden calf mooing is pretty funny. Totally contradicts the rest of the Bible which says that idols are mute, and that idolaters are incapable of creating life.
(I’m a Protestant, not a Muslim) The Quran calf didn’t make a literal mooing sound, if you actually read the verse. It says it _looked like_ it made a mooing sound; it was describing how the calf looked like. It says in the very next sentence that the idol didn’t speak to them. What he was probably getting at was that it’s funny the words “mooing sound” were in the Quran, not that the calf was literally making little moos.
I hate Muhammad and Islam, but I think it’s important to get things right.
@@disguisedcentennial835 that's good to know! Thanks for the clarification. Truth is important.
@@disguisedcentennial835 You are incorrect. You're going off of a translation, or, more accurately, what is inserted into a translation. A source as easily accessible as The Study Quran confirms it made the sound of a live calf, possibly through sorcery. See the video on the endscreen for the origin of this story.
@@gospel2dgeek Disguised Centennial is wrong. There is an entire video on the endscreen of this one that gives the origin of this story.
@@IslamCritiqued thanks. Just looked it up. Does seem like the calf mooed according to the Quran.
Allhamtoallah for the miracle of reinterpretation
Muslims : These are just qiraats it doesnt matter biro.
me : What is the difference between hurt and heart.
Muslims : You are islamophobe anti palestinian jew who hate God because you know God exist.
Me : Understood Have a nice day
If the Koran was written and published today the one reading the manuscript deciding to publish it or not would quickly toss it in the shredder and write a no thank you letter
That and the Koran is so confusing it makes you wonder if they were drunk when writing it
The concept that Islam borrowed from Jewish Mysticism is fascinating and feasible, I will definitely do my own investigation son this topic. Blessed is יהוה our God, may he reveal all truth.
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Beautiful work, may the Lord keep you safe from the rage of those who don't want to see what's right in front of them
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Surah 7:155 is another treasure brought to light by muslims. It says "Allah is the best of Forgivers". So who else forgives sins and how many Forgivers are there? I won't hold my breath for an answer from muslims since I still haven't got the answer to a similar question about allah being the best of Creators.
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please change your name! It is insulting to my God
@@childofgod4862 I don't know which diety you speak of, but I worship the triune God: Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. I most certainly will not change my name
@@midwifeofyhwh3158 My friend, Midwife means the one who helps with delivery and your name means the one who delievers YHWH Just think and ask God what is you said is true or it is just insulting to God because God does not need Midwife Ok?
If you write Midwife to any body I do not care but you are mis using the name of the God in vain breaking the 3rd commandment Ok?
@@childofgod4862 I think you're misunderstanding how English can be used. In saying I'm a midwife of YHWH means I'm in the service to YHWH, not delivering Him! Meaning I belong to Him, called by Him, and do my work for Him! Saying "of" in English often means ownership. I'm owned by YHWH, therefore I'm a midwife of YHWH.
@@childofgod4862 it's like saying I'm YHWH's midwife, but I didn't want to make it seem like I'm His only one! Lol. There are numerous other midwives around the world who are in service to Him
kooran is an empty book of disjointed utterances from a confused guy who was trying to repeat the scriptural accounts and getting them wrong.
Thanks!
Thank you!
The people plagiarized, but Allah plagiarized more. Allah is the best of the plagiarizers (Allah al-Xerox)
Really appreciate the insight using this technology to provide instructional insightful into islams ambiguities of interpretation (golden
calf mooing).
Muslims don't even know the Lords name. Why would it change after 700 years or 2000?
ALL the stories in Qur'an are different from our Bible. ALL of them!
Odd also that the Quranic author doesn't mention that the elders of Israel beheld God in Exodus 24. These appearance of God in visible form one sees there and elsewhere are part of the experience of God, that lead eventually to the elaboration of the "two powers in heaven" Jewish theology in the intertestimental period, and the fuller idea of the Trinity when the Messiah came, in accordance with prophecy. He does not seem to feel bad about cutting out what he doesn't like and altering the biblical ideas.
Yeah but let's face it though, they only saw 'God's' Reptilian back, and prolly not his slippery snaky shin.
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Muslims like to make up things.
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Amen.
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Good notes.
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Hahaha.
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Good response.
I've read the Bible and the Quran but totally missed the fact Moses wasn't an intercessor in the Quran. I just automatically see Moses as an intercessor like Jesus Christ even when reading the Quran. Of course the Quran was very painful to read and very hard to follow.
Both of these videos are a blessing. Pointing out the Elijah was replaced as soon he stopped representing his people is something I missed when studying the scripture . Elijah was still a great man of God.
Islam doesn’t believe in intercession.
Musa (AS) asked God what His name was, and God replied: 'Allah.' But then, the JOOOZ altered that, and after that, the Chrishchuns korrupted it as well.
Best not to comment when you post drivel.
@@annemurphy9339 why don’t you just admit you are islamphobic. Conservative Christian women are always the stupidest I swear
@@SanteLiberatore they are not. You are Christianphobic. Your allah and his moron profit were christian phobic. Not to mention they were also apostatesphobic.
But christian conservative women knows what the Bible teaches. Funny thing about conservative muslim women is they don't know what their profit taught about women and what his god agreed on Muhammed's thoughts. You build mosques in christian countries but when christian builds in your country your hatred drives you mad and you destroy it. But when someone does this same with you, your response to them is they are islamophobes. Irony.
Because they wanted to go to hell ? And allah was soo powerless that he cannot defend his own words from mere humans. 😂
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But isn't the Golden Calf not a different god, but meant to represent YHWH, in a form the people felt comfortable with (a pagan Egyptian manner)?
You know: the people dictating to God how they will approach Him, disregarding the clear instructions given to Moses as to how does God want to be approached?
Just saying, there's no way Aaron would make an idol of say Baal and be kept in his high priest position...
It has definitely been an opinion held by some OT scholars, yes, the calf could have been constructed to represent YHWH.
Surely only the three daughters of al lah can intercede.
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So the people who created the golden calf and it moo'ed, thereby confirming it had life, are they co-creators with Allah?
Biblical Moses, meekest of men.
Koranic Moses, severe and hard against men.
Muslims, come to Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of our faith
See video on end screen....the mooing comes from rabbinic exegesis adopted by the Quran (again).
So you think when Moses said "forgive us" towards the end of verse 155 he was not including those people that committed the offence that needed forgiving?
Edit: corrected for typos
According to the Quran. The earthquake prompted the statement, not the golden calf. The people in 155 didn’t commit the sin. This is consistent with the parallels of Moses elsewhere as well as the Qurans view of intercession in general.
What does it matter? Everything is done away with according to your religion.
my post quoted in the vid shows in the Quran Abraham and Muhammad interceding, appart from Moses. The Primary prophetic function is warnings and glad tidings. Intercession is not what prophets are sent for, rather a natural result of their empathetic disposition towards their own people and families who are among their addressees. It is a personal choice by the prophets, not a divine requirement. Christians see prophetic intercession as necessarily flowing from their unbiblical "loving God" mantra, because it fits their father-son/sacrifice plot. However, the normal course of action in the prophetic pattern is that rejection eventually leads to destruction of an entire nation save the prophets and their righteous followers (if there are any). That is why at the golden calf incident, prior to Moses pleading for the community, God says Ex32:10"Now leave Me alone, and My anger will be kindled against them so that I will annihilate them, and I will make you into a great nation". Everyone besides Moses it seems, was implicated, from close or far with idolatry. God then reconsiders what He would have normally done, which is to wipe out everyone at once, leaving it to the Israelites themselves to purge their ranks from those more directly involved in the sin. 3000 apostates were slaughtered in a day, with many more marked for death pending execution. The second day, thinking enough was done to earn the remaining guilty forgiveness, Moses intercedes once more but is rejected, as the chapter ends with the statement that "the Lord struck the people with a plague, because they had made the calf that Aaron had made". A similar situation occurs with the incidents of the scouts. The Israelites anger YHWH again, He decides to wipe everyone out, Moses intercedes, but only gets a delayed punishment. Instead of exterminating the whole nation right away, God decreed for them a 40 years desert wandering that would cause the entire generation of rebels to pass away, and make place for a new breed that would be given the priviledge of entering the blessed land, together with those that had not shown distrust in God when the order to enter the land was decreed Numb14:1-39. Through this 40 years "slow death" God caused a separation between the obedient and the defiant as reflected in Moses' prayer in the Quran 5:25.
As to the chronology of 7:155, proper reading of context explains the passage. A close reading of suras 7 and 20 shows that some calf worshippers came back to their senses and remorsefully asked God's forgiveness prior to Moses' return 7:148-9 while others violently resisted Aaron's calls and refused to desist 7:150,20:91. The divine order of slaying those that insisted in their sin up to Moses' return was meant to put the resolve and penitence of those that had desisted prior to Moses' return, to the test. The others were disgraced in this world, as well as inflicted with God's wrath, executed by the hand of their own people and family 2:51-4,7:152-3. This was obviously no straight forward task to accomplish. Besides the heavy emotional factor, it would have taken time to designate, apprehend, execute one's own people. It was a mercy from Allah upon Moses and the repentent sinners that the process was interrupted at some point. Allah summoned Moses and 70 elders of the community (a reoccuring theme in the Torah Ex24,Num11) to seek forgiveness. At that point of meeting, Allah demonstrates His anger at the deed of their people 7:155 but follows by declaring that His Will, in terms of what He does with His creatures is free from any constraints. He may remove His decreed punishment at any point, in accordance with His boundless mercy 7:156"but My mercy encompasses all things. So I will decree it [especially] for those who fear Me and give zakah and those who believe in Our verses". Here Allah explains to Moses and the 70 what is required of their people for the punishment to be suspended, and by extension, to interrupt their own trial of having to slaughter the apostates among their people. In the HB no reference is made of those that had repented prior to Moses' return, neither of the loving biblical God mercifully suspending the execution of the apostates, as eloquently found in the Quran. Instead God finishes off with a plague the remaining sinners that survived the sword of their brethren the day before.
As to the calf, the Quran says it was made in a way so that a lowing sound would come out of it, probably produced by wind effects entering the hollow body in order to delude the ignorant and simple people. Ancient people tried giving a semblant of life to their idols, sometimes in a naive manner, simply carving in them eyes or ears. See Quran 7:197-8.
At other times they were very crafty at animating their idols and the Israelites were no exception, including the "foreigners" that left Egypt with them and that counted among them, according to the Zohar, all the magicians that were impressed and could not replicate Moses' miracles. The Quran too passively alludes to these non Israelites that followed Moses, in accordance with his function as a liberator not only to the Israelites but also to anyone living in spiritual bondage under Pharao. Rashi's commentary on Ezek8:14 reflects the aforementioned craftiness of ancient people in animating their idols "And He brought me to the entrance of the gate of the house of the Lord that is to the north, and behold there the women were sitting, making the Tammuz weep". Similarly during the course of their history they had household gods called "teraphim" which were made to emit sounds that the diviners were able to decipher Ezek21:26,Zech10:2.
Muhammad interceding? All you did was quote later tradition. I can show you later tradition that says a rock will intercede.
You quoted Surah 11:74-76 where Abraham "turns" from his dispute. It's a sin in the Quran! He repented from it (v. 75)! This is not in the Torah. You're proving my point. As I said in the prior video, the Quran omits or condemns intercession accordingly.
"The Primary prophetic function is warnings and glad tidings....." in the Quran. In the Bible, there's more to it.
A close reading of the golden calf accounts in the Quran shows more differences than similarities and cannot be harmonized. A recently article has been produced on this. Don't tell me about your "close" reading as if that clarifies anything.
The lowing sound...I have a whole video on that. It's in rabbinic sources from which the Quran drank deeply. I notice you read into the Quran your own preferred explanation.
Your comment is incredibly bloated as if a long comment makes your argument stronger.
@@IslamCritiqued both Quran and hadith were quoted in relation to the prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wa salam. Ibrahim does not turn from any dispute. His qualities given in v75 including tawba (turning to God) are precisely what made him intercede for Lut's people, peace be upon them both. Sound emanating from an idol, in this case the calf, fits very well ancient practices, including Israelites' as referenced.
You can take your tradition which comes hundreds of years later and call it authoritative. I don't, and there are good reasons for it. "His qualities given in v. 75 including tawba (turning to God) are precisely what made him intercede for Lut's people...." Tawba in the Quran has the nuance of "turning in repentance" (e.g., 30:31, 34:9). This makes more sense because Abraham's description in 11:75 is very close to 9:114, which is given after he disowned his father (i.e., stopped interceding). And you don't need to give the reason for intercession, it's in the Quran: "Lot is in it" (Q. 29:32). Regardless, Surah 9:113 trumps all of your attempts. At times in your argument above you have put Moses and Abraham very close to, if not in violation of, that verse.
It's interesting that ibn Kathir disagrees with you on Surah 11:75: "Therefore, Ibrahim remained silent and his soul was at rest. Concerning Allah's statement, (Verily, Ibrahim was, without doubt, forbearing, used to invoke Alllah with humility, and was repentant (to Allah)." The state of Abraham in v. 75 is the result of being at peace with the destruction of the cities.
@@IslamCritiqued quran verses, aside from hadith, depict the intercession of the prophet Muhammad. The idea that hadith literature and science of isnad is wholesale unreliable is not the position of mainstream academia, if that is your authority.
Ibrahim pleads with God for the whole nation of Lut, not only for Lut 11:24. Not because he sided with the sinners but to avert the death of everyone, sinners and righteous alike, including Lut. Hence the statement that "Lut is in it" of 29:32 in reaction to the first encounter with the messengers, as they said they will destroy everyone in the town. This type of intercession is not about forgiveness, as in the prohibition of 9:113. Abraham's "intercession" in Genesis is the same. He pleads for the town by virtue of the righteous in it, even if "perhaps ten will be found there". These potential 10 are Lut's few followers alluded to in the Quran 29:32. It is worthwhile noting here the Quran's rectification of typical HB naive anthropomorphisms. God has to go personally to Sodom to confirm the news that came to Him about the wickedness of its people Gen18:21. Then begins the unrealistic back and forth bargaining with Abraham where God says what He would do depending on what He finds out once He gets to the city. The Quran, as it always does in its retelling of defective HB narratives, protects God's omniscience 29:32"We are more knowing of who is within it. We will surely save him and his family, except his wife. She is to be of those who remain behind". This is what caused Ibrahim's soul to be at rest, as stated by ibn kathir. Not because of "the destruction of the cities".
sahih muslim 2749
book 50, hadith 13
book 37, hadith 6622
By him in whose hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, allah would sweep you out of existence and he would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from allah and he would have pardoned them.
allah encourages muslims to sin, while the real God and His son Jesus Christ encourages people not to sin and not to live in sin, this verse just proves that allah is satan and no matter how muslims rebuke this, they can’t
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Consider these three religions: (1) Judaism, (2) Christianity, and (3) Islam - each of which has its own “Official Holy Book”. For Judaism, the Official Holy Book is the Old Testament. Without the Old Testament, there is no Judaism. For Christianity, the Official Holy Book is the New Testament. Without the New Testament, there is no Christianity. For Islam, the official holy book is the Quran. Without the Quran, there is no Islam.
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By now, if you have an I.Q. level of 2 points above the I.Q. level of a pencil eraser, then you know that God did not reach out His Hands through time and space in order to deliver to mankind a hand-written Book called “Scriptures”. But rather, God revealed both Himself and His Word to mankind in divine mysteries so as to allow human beings, in their own words and styles of writings (be it essay, drama, or poetry), to write down God’s revelation on writing materials such as papyrus (and, or animal skins).
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In Judaism, the men who hand-wrote down God’s revelation have names such as Moses, Elijah, David, Obadiah, Isaiah, Malachi, etc. And in Christianity, we have names like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, James, etc. Strangely (and more damagingly) in Islam, there are no names for the men who hand-wrote down the Quran on fragmentary pieces such as sticks, stones, animal ribs, and camel jawbones. In other words, nobody knows who wrote the Quran that was later collected and compiled into a book by Uthman.
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Again, if you have an I.Q. level of 2 points above the I.Q. level of a pencil eraser, you know the question “Who wrote the Quran?” is a valid question that demands an answer. But of course, this is just a waste of time - yours and mine; because Muslins will spend hours and hours telling us of how Allah surgically implanted “The first 7th century computerized human memory chips” in the brains of Quran reciters so as to never forget Quran verses.
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Sahih al-Bukhari 5038: Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget."
you are certainly correct that the Quranic Musa does not intercede for the israelites while the biblical one does, this is likely another instance of the Quran corrrecting a biblical corruption subhan allah
Any time there’s a difference it’s the Quran correcting it- even though the Quran claims to affirm what came before. The Quran actually doesn’t know what came before. That’s the problem.
@@IslamCritiqued
when quran says affirming the scriptures
it means the Original uncorrupted versions of those scriptures.
@@MaalikFaun so then I have no respect for your Quranic Musa. Because he is one of the worst choices of allah if we leave out Muhammed because he is worse than anyone. However the choice made by God of the bible here is perfect he knew that how can people just do what they want and that would make God angry. So Moses performs the duties of the prophet while the Musa of the Qur'an runs for his own life.
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because newsflash: the bible is corrupted beyond redemption while the Quran is perfectly preserved
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