Finally something that is both omni-compatible and interface-wise superior to soundgrid. And even easier to use and less expensive than Vienna Ensemble.
This is some serious competition to Vienna Ensemble Pro. Obviously, VEP is dedicated for Samplers and snapshotting a session, but since DAW are becoming way more stable and the only bottleneck remains CPU and RAM limitation, augmenting your system with AudioGridder is the way to go!!
Im using audio gridder with 3 slave machines. Latency isnt an issue for me at all as I record vocals and guitars thru audiogridder plugins. The main issue Ive come across is that if I use audiogridder with one slave activated, then it works perfect. If two or more slave machines have plugins/instruments then when you try to adjust any perimeters on the edit screen on the master computer then only the first slave computers plugins can be adjusted from the DAW and the other slave machines plugins can not. So, my work around is to use Vienna Ensemble Pro for all VSTi's and have all your FX plugins like reverbs, delays, channel strips...( any plugin that you would use as an insert ) on one slave machine that you dedicate for those types of plugins. THEN you dont need to have a separate screen showing the interface of those plugins. Those ones show up in your DAW and you can tweak them as you wish.
I’m not sure i capture the full issue, but would be interesting to get to the root of it. Could you follow the steps here audiogridder.com/bug-reports/ on all your machines and create a help thread here github.com/apohl79/audiogridder/discussions and share the logs? thanks! ps: could also be very helpful if you would be able to create a screen capture of the session.
I can see you are running plugin under Ilok (Air eq) ? how can you do that ? with Reaper we have reamote but to be able to use the vst/vst3 you need to have them installed on both machine with exactly the same version + license AND if it's with ilok you need to get for example the key on master and computer ilok on the slave. Some plugins are just authorized to run on 1 machine, also what about UAD plugin? so how is it possible ? the vst/vst3 only on the slave? Cheers
Any way I can add presets made in my DAW so I don't have to go through a headache of doing it from the begining? When I try to open them from the folder they're stored using logic, it doesn't give me the option. Wondering if the extension for their plugins are other than .cst 🤔
I finally was able to save and get two mac minis. What I need to know, is since Audiogridder will be acting as the host VST in my windows DAW, will it allow me to use the Apple AU format or whatever they use, and translate it for use in my windows system DAW through Audiogridder as VST?
It seems like from some examples people are able to use more plugins on a low powered server computer like a old mac mini then i would expect. Is that just because the server doesn’t have to run the daw as well as the plugins? Does this work with an m1 mac as the server?
some people use m1 macs as well. not running the daw is a factor for sure. AG has minimal overhead, so your computers cpu can be mostly leveraged for processing plugins.
I´m testing it in Cubase 12, Windows 10. Have installed server and plugin in same PC. When I add a plugin to AG plugin and try to edit it Cubase stops playing until I close that window and of course I can´t edit anything without hearing. What am I doing wrong?
Hi, there are so many PC only plugins you can't use on the Mac so I am wondering... would this work for someone using a Mac M1 wanting to get use of a few PC-only plugins using AG to network a PC to their Mac? I'd like to know more before trying to find a PC only to find out it can't be done.
could someone show a demo of Audiogridder on a PC?, It installed fine on Win 10, and my DAW is Cubase 9, but I must be missing something here. The Vst's are not showing up in the + dropdown?? Are the Vst's supposed to be installed on the server computer, not to my understanding?? This seems straightforward, but it's getting frustrating....any help would be much appreciated! thx
I’m sorry, but I have no capacity working on legacy macOS versions. AG is 64bit only. And old macOS versions are not freely available either. As long as there is no one else working on this - I made AG open source, so anybody could - it’s nothing I would be waiting for.
i dont do multiple computers anymore use vepro on a single machine,my cubase machine. i always wished that every daw/sequencer vendors would create something like this to lighten the loads of heavy track count templates on their daw product. i dont mind trying new tech but can i run this in my daw without using 2nd pc?
You can run it on a singe machine too. People are actually doing this to run Acustica Audio plugins, which are super CPU heavy, to better scale out their hardware. It is currently not designed for this, which is why the UI will probably feel a bit weird. Just disable screen capturing in the server settings.
I have been having issues with audiogridder. It worked fine for a while but now when i try to pull up a vst instrument or fx inside of audiogridder from the plugin side, it cant connect to the vst plugin. It bounces back and forth from connecting, disconnecting, and then reconnecting in an endless loop. It wants to connect but it seems like something is blocking it. It doesnt matter which daw i use. The same thing happens. i tried changing firewall settings but that didnt help. I use a laptop for the audiogridder plugin, and a windows server for the audiogridder server software. All the vst plugins are stored on the server. The plugin on my laptop is able to see the available vsts to choose from but when i try to load them up, audiogridder can not pull them up.
Does it work well with vsts like Diva, Arturia and Serum? I had 1.1.0 AG some time ago and it just kept crashing while using those instruments (I'm on Cubase Pro 10.5)
You have to try it. I don’t own any of these plugins. Sometimes not all plugin formats are working, so try all available formats of the plugins you want to use. And if you see crashes please report bugs, as there is no other way to increase ag’s compatibility. audiogridder.com/bug-reports/
I just tested it using QEMU (Linux Host and Windows in the VM running the AG server). It's not something I would do in a realtime production environment due to the CPU and RAM limitations of the test Computer, but yes it will work.
Avids aax works in pro tools on windows and macos. AG server can host vst, vst3 and audiounit plugins. AG plugin is available as vst, vst3, audiounit and aax. Only vst and vst3 are available for linux. So if you use a linux daw with vst support you can access plugins running on AG server running on windows or macos.
Help me .. ( scuse me for my english) .. Audiogridder run , but dont run plugins interface ... I open cubase .. load audiogridder plugin .. insert vst.. ok .. play and run ... ok ... but i want look vst interface ,dont look .. thx
doesn't work properly with offline bouncing. When the effects do print the tempo of song is slower i have the Adgridder on fx channels and i am sending instruments to them
VNC is a separate app that basically allows you to remotely connect to any system that has the VNC client on it as if you were sitting right in front of it with a keyboard and mouse. Its a better solution than Microsoft RDP as those sessions clear out when you log off, but if you're virtually in front of the system, even with out a monitor you can still interact with the system
Quick question if anyone might be able to help thanks. Does anyone know a way to sidechain with Audiogridder? Wish to use Audiogridder with a heavy cpu plugin (Trackspacer) but plugin inherently requires sidechain. Is there a workaround? Many thanks Jon
Hey :) Are you planning to develop this further? I would buy a server to use this tool, but it would be bad if you would cancel this software in nearby future :D
For sure. His code considers latency compensation, plus the plugin is only sending plug-in data which is not as bandwidth intensive as audio or video data. As well, he has some pretty serious hardware and I suspect wired gigabit.
@@vapon if you're referring to the kind of log level view of the individual plugins and their response time, I think that is how quickly that plug-in is able to be triggered based on a variety of factors unique to that plugin. I'm not sure where else .4 milliseconds was visible.
Awesome! i installed it yesterday on 2 Mac minis, gonna give it a try today.
Love it !!! Great Work Buddy 💪🔥
This is awesome! Been trying to figure out how to get more power. This is a great solution. Definitely going to try it out ASAP! Thank you!
Thanks for this simple but very powerful offloading solution. And the updates that keeps coming. Thanks for video also. Best Regards to you
Finally something that is both omni-compatible and interface-wise superior to soundgrid. And even easier to use and less expensive than Vienna Ensemble.
Man you are a genius !
Wow, Amazing!
Extremely useful tool in audio industry
Amazing!
This is some serious competition to Vienna Ensemble Pro. Obviously, VEP is dedicated for Samplers and snapshotting a session, but since DAW are becoming way more stable and the only bottleneck remains CPU and RAM limitation, augmenting your system with AudioGridder is the way to go!!
One question please: how are the two computers connected, with a cable or via the Internet?
wow ! hell yea
Genius
Im using audio gridder with 3 slave machines. Latency isnt an issue for me at all as I record vocals and guitars thru audiogridder plugins. The main issue Ive come across is that if I use audiogridder with one slave activated, then it works perfect. If two or more slave machines have plugins/instruments then when you try to adjust any perimeters on the edit screen on the master computer then only the first slave computers plugins can be adjusted from the DAW and the other slave machines plugins can not. So, my work around is to use Vienna Ensemble Pro for all VSTi's and have all your FX plugins like reverbs, delays, channel strips...( any plugin that you would use as an insert ) on one slave machine that you dedicate for those types of plugins. THEN you dont need to have a separate screen showing the interface of those plugins. Those ones show up in your DAW and you can tweak them as you wish.
I’m not sure i capture the full issue, but would be interesting to get to the root of it. Could you follow the steps here audiogridder.com/bug-reports/ on all your machines and create a help thread here github.com/apohl79/audiogridder/discussions and share the logs? thanks!
ps: could also be very helpful if you would be able to create a screen capture of the session.
@@AndreasPohl79 I solved most of the issue. I got it working properly on 2 out of three of my machines which is good enough.
F--k yeah!
Best thing since FX Teleport
That’s awesome! Any experience on Sonoma yet? Looking forward it make a donation if that works. :)
I find on my old Mac Mini, the plugin GUI's take up way more CPU power than plugins (about 30%). the GUI render isn't GPU accelerated at all
I can see you are running plugin under Ilok (Air eq) ? how can you do that ? with Reaper we have reamote but to be able to use the vst/vst3 you need to have them installed on both machine with exactly the same version + license AND if it's with ilok you need to get for example the key on master and computer ilok on the slave. Some plugins are just authorized to run on 1 machine, also what about UAD plugin?
so how is it possible ? the vst/vst3 only on the slave?
Cheers
Any way I can add presets made in my DAW so I don't have to go through a headache of doing it from the begining? When I try to open them from the folder they're stored using logic, it doesn't give me the option. Wondering if the extension for their plugins are other than .cst 🤔
I finally was able to save and get two mac minis.
What I need to know, is since Audiogridder will be acting as the host VST in my windows DAW, will it allow me to use the Apple AU format or whatever they use, and translate it for use in my windows system DAW through Audiogridder as VST?
That is something I'll also like to know!
I'm dreaming about this with 5950x with another 5950x slave 😅😁
It seems like from some examples people are able to use more plugins on a low powered server computer like a old mac mini then i would expect. Is that just because the server doesn’t have to run the daw as well as the plugins? Does this work with an m1 mac as the server?
some people use m1 macs as well. not running the daw is a factor for sure. AG has minimal overhead, so your computers cpu can be mostly leveraged for processing plugins.
Hi Andreas, Thanks for the vid 😊
Are you running multible servers? or would that be possible?
Yes you can run multiple servers as well.
@@AndreasPohl79 awesome.. A revival to old my old pc..
Thanks for answering 😊
Can AG be run on the same computer as the DAW? Are there cpu benefits when doing so, like there is with VE Pro?
sure you can. and usually there are benefits in most DAWs. see here github.com/apohl79/audiogridder/discussions/654 (there more threads like this).
This seems to be a similar idea as Vienna Ensemble Pro
Hi Andreas what about recalling a session, will all the settings on the plugin be recalled automatically
yes of course :-)
I´m testing it in Cubase 12, Windows 10. Have installed server and plugin in same PC.
When I add a plugin to AG plugin and try to edit it Cubase stops playing until I close that window and of course I can´t edit anything without hearing.
What am I doing wrong?
Hi, there are so many PC only plugins you can't use on the Mac so I am wondering... would this work for someone using a Mac M1 wanting to get use of a few PC-only plugins using AG to network a PC to their Mac? I'd like to know more before trying to find a PC only to find out it can't be done.
could someone show a demo of Audiogridder on a PC?, It installed fine on Win 10, and my DAW is Cubase 9, but I must be missing something here. The Vst's are not showing up in the + dropdown?? Are the Vst's supposed to be installed on the server computer, not to my understanding?? This seems straightforward, but it's getting frustrating....any help would be much appreciated! thx
One thing not clear... do you need to have DAW software running on BOTH pc's or is one enough?
Pure awesome! Any chance you could get the server working on 10.6.8?
I've a few plugins that stopped working after Snow Leopard, even via 32 Lives...
I’m sorry, but I have no capacity working on legacy macOS versions. AG is 64bit only. And old macOS versions are not freely available either. As long as there is no one else working on this - I made AG open source, so anybody could - it’s nothing I would be waiting for.
i dont do multiple computers anymore
use vepro on a single machine,my cubase machine.
i always wished that every daw/sequencer vendors would create something like this
to lighten the loads of heavy track count templates on their daw product.
i dont mind trying new tech but can i run this in my daw without using 2nd pc?
You can run it on a singe machine too. People are actually doing this to run Acustica Audio plugins, which are super CPU heavy, to better scale out their hardware. It is currently not designed for this, which is why the UI will probably feel a bit weird. Just disable screen capturing in the server settings.
@@AndreasPohl79 thanks!! ill give this a try :)
Is it possible to have audio gridder server installed on a mac while the plugin running in the daw is on a windows system? Thanks
Yes
I have been having issues with audiogridder. It worked fine for a while but now when i try to pull up a vst instrument or fx inside of audiogridder from the plugin side, it cant connect to the vst plugin. It bounces back and forth from connecting, disconnecting, and then reconnecting in an endless loop. It wants to connect but it seems like something is blocking it. It doesnt matter which daw i use. The same thing happens. i tried changing firewall settings but that didnt help. I use a laptop for the audiogridder plugin, and a windows server for the audiogridder server software. All the vst plugins are stored on the server. The plugin on my laptop is able to see the available vsts to choose from but when i try to load them up, audiogridder can not pull them up.
Do you have an anti-virus running on either machine?
Does it work well with vsts like Diva, Arturia and Serum? I had 1.1.0 AG some time ago and it just kept crashing while using those instruments (I'm on Cubase Pro 10.5)
You have to try it. I don’t own any of these plugins. Sometimes not all plugin formats are working, so try all available formats of the plugins you want to use. And if you see crashes please report bugs, as there is no other way to increase ag’s compatibility. audiogridder.com/bug-reports/
@@AndreasPohl79 thanks, will do.
Good stuff. Would this work in a Windows VM on a (quite powerful) TrueNAS server?
I just tested it using QEMU (Linux Host and Windows in the VM running the AG server). It's not something I would do in a realtime production environment due to the CPU and RAM limitations of the test Computer, but yes it will work.
@@oddyolynx5854 Thanks, I have steered away from this for actual critical production but cool that it works!
Will this translate aax plugins to be used in windows & windows plug-ins to be used in Linux?
Will this work on linux?
Avids aax works in pro tools on windows and macos. AG server can host vst, vst3 and audiounit plugins. AG plugin is available as vst, vst3, audiounit and aax. Only vst and vst3 are available for linux. So if you use a linux daw with vst support you can access plugins running on AG server running on windows or macos.
How to scan the plugins on the slave pc it's not scanning
great stuff! anyone got this working with studio one ?
Yep, people are using it with S1 too.
Help me .. ( scuse me for my english) .. Audiogridder run , but dont run plugins interface ... I open cubase .. load audiogridder plugin .. insert vst.. ok .. play and run ... ok ... but i want look vst interface ,dont look .. thx
doesn't work properly with offline bouncing. When the effects do print the tempo of song is slower
i have the Adgridder on fx channels and i am sending instruments to them
Also, how did you access what you called "VNC" to load the Server?
VNC is a separate app that basically allows you to remotely connect to any system that has the VNC client on it as if you were sitting right in front of it with a keyboard and mouse. Its a better solution than Microsoft RDP as those sessions clear out when you log off, but if you're virtually in front of the system, even with out a monitor you can still interact with the system
So do I have to have the exact same plugins installed on two different computers in order for this to work?
The plugins need to be installed where AG server runs.
Quick question if anyone might be able to help thanks. Does anyone know a way to sidechain with Audiogridder? Wish to use Audiogridder with a heavy cpu plugin (Trackspacer) but plugin inherently requires sidechain. Is there a workaround? Many thanks Jon
sidechain support has been added in 1.2, but it is still in beta state.
@@AndreasPohl79 thanks Andreas
can you launch it through an AWS server? haha
does it have a side chain function?
yes
@@AndreasPohl79 tell me how to activate and use it? because the sidechain buttons in this plugin are not present on any DAW
Hey :)
Are you planning to develop this further?
I would buy a server to use this tool, but it would be bad if you would cancel this software in nearby future :D
No plans to abandon AG. ;-)
There will be always PAY options (more companies have this kind of software too)
@@Made0nEarth Who? only VEP but thats a other use case
0.4 msec latency over LAN??
For sure. His code considers latency compensation, plus the plugin is only sending plug-in data which is not as bandwidth intensive as audio or video data. As well, he has some pretty serious hardware and I suspect wired gigabit.
@@StevenJamesBurks I though the latency refers to the audio data being transferred back and forth for all processing to be applied in the server.
@@vapon if you're referring to the kind of log level view of the individual plugins and their response time, I think that is how quickly that plug-in is able to be triggered based on a variety of factors unique to that plugin. I'm not sure where else .4 milliseconds was visible.
Can this be used cross-platform? e.g. Using a PC as a server and a Mac as the plug-in host?
yes