@TheRonan92 it's a unit that costs more, does less damage on average (except against 2+ save), and is less tanky. Ironguts CAN get a ward IF you bring one of the worst heroes in the book and they have to cuddle together the entire game. They're still solid don't get me wrong but the definitely don't deserve to cost more than gluttons.
Thanks for the review ! Im happy we will be a 3-2/4-1 army with access to a few counter meta tech. We can build against a monster army and a shooting army.
I was down at first cuz of the lack luster army rules and the stonehorn changes, but my interest was peaked with the butcher and slaughtermaster changes, then it slammed back down with tyrant warscroll. They just refuse to make the biggest baddest ogor actually do any damage, and now he isnt even tough, fast, or fun
Stonehorns died real fast without the 5+ ward in 3rd, now they have to hope on a priest making a piece of terrain to hug. The more i look into this, the worse this army seems.
Its not the Tyrant its all of Ogres. Right now we only have like 4 viable units: Butcher, Slaughtermaster, Gluttons and Ironguts (only reinforced). If you want to know how bad the Tyrant is, think about this: Would you take him hat 110 Points? Half the points of a group of Gluttons? Prolly not. Right know Ogres cannot really be changes but point values, they need another rules update.
Not an ogor player, just here to distract them from this great video with food. Stop. Stop looking at this useful video that can help you win. Look at this plate of food. Stop looking at me, look at the plate. I have regrets.
how could they take out the firebellys spells but leave in the firebelly? whats the point of it then? either give it back the lore of fire or just let people use it as a butcher proxy
they took away the lore of fire for the firebellys? oh man, that sucks. and iron guts have the same armour save as a glutton? how does that make sense? iron guts have always had better armour that glutton.
Eagerly awaited this! Just started the hobby a couple weeks ago and picked Ogors as my first army (the models and lore was cool). Any tips for an aspiring mawtribes player going into AOS4? Great content, keep it coming! 😊
My tip is to convert / kitbash your own butchers and possibly slaughtermaster models rather than getting those particular Games Workshsop models. 3d printing for them is also a strong option.
I know this is strange over UA-cam comments, but let me know if you want to buy my ogors army lot! Some built, some new in box. I'm looking to pivot and have a bunch
Fantastic rob! Do you think the battle trait for eating is likely to be a ballance mechanic for GW? Ie.. at the moment it is once per battle... If we perform badly maybe this could become per battle round... Or perhaps end of ogor turn..
i wanted to get 2 spearhead boxes for a 2k army (to save money and symmetry), switch one tyrant for a butcher add a unit of iron guts and the mawpot to the army for cheap 2k army, but they had to change the points around which makes it very awkward to make a list. List i wanted to make (on warscroll): Meatfist 2k Leaders: Tyrant (150) - Butcher (130) (mawpot) Units: 2x 6 Gluttons (480) - 2x 4 Leadbelchers (300) - 2x 2 Mournfang pack (300) - 1x 4 Iron Guts (240) Artillery: 2 Ironblasters (400) any tips on what to do, since the points got changed?
Played exclusively ogors for all of 3rd, they were fun, I'm not feeling this version of them tbh. See how it goes I suppose, which isnt what GW should be aiming for for.. indifference.
I was going back and forth between what army to start with for 4th and this is what I decided on. (BCR) Sadly I feel a majority of BCR got nerfed. Stornhorns went from halving dmg to a 5+ ward to now just ignoring the first dmg per phase. Mornfangs melee profiles also seem worse.
Icebrow Hunter was something like of frosty counterpart of Firebelly with his icy breath in 3rd edition. Now they took it away from him and again he is like in warhammer fantasy: hunter with sabres. :(
Dang FLOSH save nerfed to 4+ from 3+ and lack of ward save is brutal. Pretty sure the Rampage also got nerfed from 3d6" to 2d6". Luckily he got cheaper to compensate for all the nerfs...
So they made the Tyrant terrible, leadbelchers meh and not sure about the ironblaster but gluttons,butcher,Ironguts seem solid. Not sure how I feel about that
GW write bad the Ogor Thome becasue the book is useful to eat not to be read. Of course an Ogor can save at 5 + . Don't need a stupid book that say that
Should have made ogres Old World and been done with it. They either have no clue how to balance the faction, or don’t care about it enough to. Extremely disappointed that my army is relegated to meme status.
you have some of the strangest takes I've ever seen. I mean no offense when I say that, I just find some of your comments odd. You started off saying 4+ to hit was flat-out bad, and now you don't even comment on it. It feels like you finally realized just how common it is, and that 3+ to hit is the exception for particular elite warriors. I also notice your fixation on ward saves, which have always been a rare thing in most armies. While ward saves definitely add to how survivable a unit or model is, the fact that you constantly point out when something doesn't have one is weird, because wards are supposed to be the exception rather than the rule, with only particularly supernatural or insanely tough armies revolving around them (like the undead, or nurgle)
Actually I don't think 6+ ward saves are important at all. I also didnt mention the 4+ every time because I didn't want to make the Ogor players feel disheartened
Rob is actually quite dumb when it comes to actually understanding the meta and how effective things are. I wouldn't take anything he says to heart. His videos are best watched paused and looking at the warscrolls.
@@thomasford5312 So? I'm not trying to make friends. I'd rather be honest and inform people not to waste hundreds of dollars following the advice of an ignorant youtuber than be 'polite.'
@@theangler1922 I'm not getting into an argument in a comment section. You may be totally right or totally wrong about the guy, I don't care. I'm simply pointing out calling someone dumb because you don't agree isn't the way to go about things. By all means give your opinion but you don't need to make it toxic.
I am greatful for this analysis because I, like most Ogor players, can't read.
I play Ogors and I can't read, so thet review is perfect for me.
No idea what any of you people are saying, as an Ogor player, I can't read.
Neither can i!
Who needs to read when we can EAT?! my gnoblar read this to me and wrote my comment
@@thehonestwargamerstreams I knew Louise was the real brains behind this operation
hi mom.
00:00 - Intro
00:52 - Battle Traits
03:26 - Terrain: Great Mawpot
06:17 - Terrain: Mawpit
09:16 - Battle Formations
11:36 - Heroic Traits
13:22 - Artefacts of Power
14:35 - Lore of Maw-Magic
17:44 - Everwinter Prayers
20:14 - Butcher
21:35 - Slaughtermaster
24:10 - Firebelly
24:51 - Tyrant
26:49 - Bloodpelt Hunter
28:39 - Icebrow Hunter
29:49 - Frostlord on Stonehorn
32:33 - Huskard on Stonehorn
34:38 - Huskard on Thundertusk
36:38 - Frostlord on Thundertusk
38:19 - Kragnos
39:23 - Ogor Gluttons
41:21 - Ironguts
43:23 - Maneaters
44:50 - Mournfang Pack
46:25 - Gorger Mawpack
48:11 - Icefall Yhetees
49:39 - Gnoblars
51:19 - Frost Sabres
52:22 - Leadbelchers
54:05 - Ironblaster
55:20 - Gnoblar Scraplauncher
56:12 - Stonehorn Beastriders
57:39 - Thundertusk Beastriders
59:04 - Outro
So so fast. thankyou
@@thehonestwargamerstreams you welcome.
You're doing The Gulping God's work.
It's really great when you say "in my personal opinion", in my personal opinion. Never change!
Ogor without armor? , 5+ save
Same ogor with metal armor? 5+ save!
Just why? 😢
Truely insane…
BALANCE
@TheRonan92 it's a unit that costs more, does less damage on average (except against 2+ save), and is less tanky. Ironguts CAN get a ward IF you bring one of the worst heroes in the book and they have to cuddle together the entire game. They're still solid don't get me wrong but the definitely don't deserve to cost more than gluttons.
Fyreslayers are much better!! No armor = 6+ save!
Wait... that's not what I want... why do we not have better saves D:
Thanks for the review ! Im happy we will be a 3-2/4-1 army with access to a few counter meta tech. We can build against a monster army and a shooting army.
I was down at first cuz of the lack luster army rules and the stonehorn changes, but my interest was peaked with the butcher and slaughtermaster changes, then it slammed back down with tyrant warscroll. They just refuse to make the biggest baddest ogor actually do any damage, and now he isnt even tough, fast, or fun
Why do they keep doing this? It's like they hate our tyrants
Tyrants should be scary to get into combat with
Stonehorns died real fast without the 5+ ward in 3rd, now they have to hope on a priest making a piece of terrain to hug.
The more i look into this, the worse this army seems.
Its not the Tyrant its all of Ogres. Right now we only have like 4 viable units: Butcher, Slaughtermaster, Gluttons and Ironguts (only reinforced).
If you want to know how bad the Tyrant is, think about this: Would you take him hat 110 Points? Half the points of a group of Gluttons? Prolly not.
Right know Ogres cannot really be changes but point values, they need another rules update.
Not an ogor player, just here to distract them from this great video with food. Stop. Stop looking at this useful video that can help you win. Look at this plate of food. Stop looking at me, look at the plate. I have regrets.
Damn it, Rob! The blank stare when you mentioned the 'Throat of Ghur' primed the pump and then you had to say Hawk Tuah... I legit spit my drink out.
Hey! Woah! This is BIG....
firebellies sadden me, as do tyrants, but i have 16 ironguts and 3 butchers so i'm feeling pretty good overall
how could they take out the firebellys spells but leave in the firebelly? whats the point of it then? either give it back the lore of fire or just let people use it as a butcher proxy
@@ryanmalady376 same base size, "this is a butcher" job done.
Honestly, if playing someone who would object to that, find a different opponent.
Thanks for the overview Rob, stream was great fun. Picked up my first few Ogors today 👍
Mawussy got a throat 😳 oh my...
ohhhhhhhhh
i wanna unread this
they took away the lore of fire for the firebellys? oh man, that sucks. and iron guts have the same armour save as a glutton? how does that make sense? iron guts have always had better armour that glutton.
Eagerly awaited this! Just started the hobby a couple weeks ago and picked Ogors as my first army (the models and lore was cool). Any tips for an aspiring mawtribes player going into AOS4? Great content, keep it coming! 😊
Thanks for the love
My tip is to convert / kitbash your own butchers and possibly slaughtermaster models rather than getting those particular Games Workshsop models. 3d printing for them is also a strong option.
I know this is strange over UA-cam comments, but let me know if you want to buy my ogors army lot! Some built, some new in box. I'm looking to pivot and have a bunch
Fantastic rob! Do you think the battle trait for eating is likely to be a ballance mechanic for GW? Ie.. at the moment it is once per battle... If we perform badly maybe this could become per battle round... Or perhaps end of ogor turn..
awesome review rob, especially as us destruction/ogor players cant read (we are too busy eating lol!)
i wanted to get 2 spearhead boxes for a 2k army (to save money and symmetry), switch one tyrant for a butcher add a unit of iron guts and the mawpot to the army for cheap 2k army, but they had to change the points around which makes it very awkward to make a list.
List i wanted to make (on warscroll): Meatfist 2k
Leaders: Tyrant (150) - Butcher (130) (mawpot)
Units: 2x 6 Gluttons (480) - 2x 4 Leadbelchers (300) - 2x 2 Mournfang pack (300) - 1x 4 Iron Guts (240)
Artillery: 2 Ironblasters (400)
any tips on what to do, since the points got changed?
The fact that the fire belly doesnt even get a unique spell, despite having an entire lore in past editions, confuses me.
Excellent review. I'm a touch nervous about what models are getting replaced this edition, because it's been threatened for a while.
Luv it! Ogor chat so good, makin' me want a bowl o' cereal and a chocolate shake!!! Shake objectives!!
Played exclusively ogors for all of 3rd, they were fun, I'm not feeling this version of them tbh.
See how it goes I suppose, which isnt what GW should be aiming for for.. indifference.
Im playing against ogors for the first time next week so ive come here to study up 😂 I think my DoK are going to get flattened.
I was going back and forth between what army to start with for 4th and this is what I decided on. (BCR) Sadly I feel a majority of BCR got nerfed. Stornhorns went from halving dmg to a 5+ ward to now just ignoring the first dmg per phase. Mornfangs melee profiles also seem worse.
I'm hungry as for this review
Achin for bacin
@@thehonestwargamerstreams Yub yub!
Icebrow Hunter was something like of frosty counterpart of Firebelly with his icy breath in 3rd edition. Now they took it away from him and again he is like in warhammer fantasy: hunter with sabres. :(
7:46 i had to play that back to hear if i heard that correctly
Great write up happy to get my slaughter master back out for this to go with my butcher
Ngl, this is actually making me consider starting up OMT for the first time
The tribe grows
Hey Rob, you rock homie! In my personal opinion 😊
Is there some sort of set release order for these or is it just as they come?
Really hoping for a stormcast one soon
Dang FLOSH save nerfed to 4+ from 3+ and lack of ward save is brutal. Pretty sure the Rampage also got nerfed from 3d6" to 2d6". Luckily he got cheaper to compensate for all the nerfs...
Thanks for the great reviews ! It's really helping (I'm discovering AoS). Which army are you the most exited to play in this V4 ?
Soulblight is good
Whatever happened to the rest of these faction focus vids?
Look at what they done to my lovely bois
So they made the Tyrant terrible, leadbelchers meh and not sure about the ironblaster but gluttons,butcher,Ironguts seem solid. Not sure how I feel about that
I’ve been starving for this video!
Great video Rob 👏
Look good, don't they
Appreciate you
Great video
Mawtribes!!!
GW write bad the Ogor Thome becasue the book is useful to eat not to be read. Of course an Ogor can save at 5 + . Don't need a stupid book that say that
Hahahaha
Ogors infantry feels like worse versions of troggoths :D Thank god for those mounts.
Should have made ogres Old World and been done with it. They either have no clue how to balance the faction, or don’t care about it enough to. Extremely disappointed that my army is relegated to meme status.
you have some of the strangest takes I've ever seen. I mean no offense when I say that, I just find some of your comments odd.
You started off saying 4+ to hit was flat-out bad, and now you don't even comment on it. It feels like you finally realized just how common it is, and that 3+ to hit is the exception for particular elite warriors.
I also notice your fixation on ward saves, which have always been a rare thing in most armies. While ward saves definitely add to how survivable a unit or model is, the fact that you constantly point out when something doesn't have one is weird, because wards are supposed to be the exception rather than the rule, with only particularly supernatural or insanely tough armies revolving around them (like the undead, or nurgle)
Actually I don't think 6+ ward saves are important at all.
I also didnt mention the 4+ every time because I didn't want to make the Ogor players feel disheartened
Rob is actually quite dumb when it comes to actually understanding the meta and how effective things are. I wouldn't take anything he says to heart. His videos are best watched paused and looking at the warscrolls.
@@theangler1922that’s just rude my dude
@@thomasford5312 So? I'm not trying to make friends. I'd rather be honest and inform people not to waste hundreds of dollars following the advice of an ignorant youtuber than be 'polite.'
@@theangler1922 I'm not getting into an argument in a comment section. You may be totally right or totally wrong about the guy, I don't care. I'm simply pointing out calling someone dumb because you don't agree isn't the way to go about things. By all means give your opinion but you don't need to make it toxic.
Oh, poor ogres... Now everyone will kick them
So who wants to bet ogors are the next on the chopping block ? 😅
the worst edition for ogors. My beastclaw riders army is totally trash now. Thank you GW(