i wonder if Death Knights are the equivalent of the Jedi counterparts...Lord Soth (Sith) and Lord Ausric Krell (isnt there a fallen Jedi named Krell also?)
Soth even got his own realm in Ravenloft at one point, but got fed up with being a Dark Lord and escaped. There’s an Easter egg referencing his realm in Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft.
Lord Soth is one of the most interesting old-school D&D characters, in my opinion. That brief mention of his foray into Ravenloft is particularly noteworthy. Apparently, the punishment he was put under while in Ravenloft didn't play out as expected. I can't recall the specifics of it, but I do know what happened. His near-immortality and the imprisonment he found himself in gave him the opportunity to reflect on his life and his actions, and ultimately, accept that he deserves this punishment.
Lord Soth. One of the three best characters in Dragonlance and the only one that ever escaped Ravenloft (story for another time). I really want to hear how he and the Dragon Queen buried the hatchet - or more directly who they both want to burry the hatchet into with the “death dragons”.
Lord Soth's design and obvious power was said by Weis and Hickman to be difficult to write so the death knight didn't overshadow the other villains of the story. It is ironic then that he never had a storyline where he is the main antagonist.
I like that raising undead dragons has been added to Lord Soth's powers. It was always a bit embarrassing that the setting with the most iconic death knight and was primarily about dragons was late to the concept of undead dragons like dracoliches.
Why?? they are literally from two different times and two different factions. Soth has no love for the Dragon Queen. He isn't even bound by the Drago Queen exclusively, he is cursed by ALL the gods. He should LOATH the Dragon Queen. There's nothing about this change that makes sense besides "the rule of cool" but it's not cool when it breaks the entire character. It's just lazy
@@ClintOrris yet even in the original series he helps the Blue Dragon Armies. He may not be a servant of Takhisis, but that doesn't stop him from supporting her for his own ends.
@@ClintOrris They literally pointed out he doesn't follow her directly and is out for his own motives. And they're not really different factions. Takhisis canonically got him to agree to work with a highlord if they spent the night at Dargaard Keep, which Kitiara just so happened to do. So, he WAS working with Takhisis's armies at the tail end of the war. The only actual issue with the change is that this is too early in the war for him to be working with her. Sure, the change about him working with undead dragons is a change. But that in and of itself isn't inherently bad.
@@orangexlightning *cough* listening is for intelligence dependent nerds, when you have this much charisma you don't need to listen because people just listen to you.
I remember him popping up in the Dragonlance novels I read as a young man. He was captivating, nuanced, and interesting. I can't wait to run him as a NPC in this campaign!
So, 5e Lord Soth is basically the Night king. That’s a huge power differential between previous iterations. And previously Soth was more like a 3rd party power as opposed to a direct ally to Takhisis. Given how rare divine magic is, I can’t imagine this bodes well for the free people of Ansalon. Maybe two good aligned clerics appeared in the entirety of the war of the lance.
Not really a big fan of this. Krynn was the low-magic counterpart to Faerun, and even the most powerful wizard Krynn had ever known wasn't reanimating dragon skeletons. Ancient dragons and Lord Soth himself would bow down before Raistlin's arcane mastery, so that's saying something. This is a rather large step in power creep, when the most feared magical power Soth held previously was power word kill. And we're expected to believe that Soth would maintain a piece of the same god-flames that consumed and cursed him and his keep for all this time after the cataclysm? Out of what, sentimental nostalgia? It seems more "rule of cool" than logical.
The most obvious one, lore-wise, would be due to the circumstances of their creation: is Lord Soth likely to be interested in creating undead dragons with the kind of free will that dracoliches retain?
I love deathknights they have such great lore potential. Like I have a character I want to use one day who is a undead bladelock paladin who should they die will become a deathknight if they aren't brought back to life before a month's time has passed (of course gentle repose & such can delay that)
I think it does. The picture on the site is the regular cover but after watching this video, I double checked the descriptions of everything and it specifies "Shadow of the Dragon Queen adventure book with an exclusive foil cover". That is different language than what is specified for the regular book/digital bundle which says "Shadow of the Dragon Queen printed adventure book".
@@FridgeNinja Foil cover and alternate cover aren't the same. The foil one is just a foil version of the regular cover. This is what my research turned up. I preordered the alt cover from a local game store.
I don't want to get into to much Dragonlance lore here, but, as indicated in the campaign description: "VILLAINS: Puts heroes against the infamous death knight Lord Soth and his army of draconians". Lord Soth does not have an army of draconians, but he does have a following of evil undead minions... I guess the addition of him creating Dracolich's (undead dragons) is fine.... And he has no love for Takhisis (The Dragon Queen)... Oh well, we will se how this plays out.... 🙄
Lord Soth had his 13 skeletal warriors and his elven banshees but he also commanded men, goblins and draconians. Draconians and men of the dragonarmy both lived in Dargaard Keep during the War of the Lance. You can see this in the DL16 adventure, and in Dragons of Winter Night.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don’t recall any mention of Lord Soth in "Dragons of Winter Night". He does appear for the first time in "Dragons of Spring Dawning" when Ariakas meets up with Kitiara... Also, during the War of the Lance, Lord Soth pledged his allegiance to Kitiara (Bleu Dragonarmy Highlord). He allowed Kitiara to stay in Dargaard Keep and to make it one of her bases of operation (i.e. Kitiara's army, not Soth's)...
@@Sivak88 Okay, Dragons of Spring Dawning. Regardless Dargaard was garrisoned by living blue dragonarmy soldiers and officers, so your complaint is invalid.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 Totally agree, "Dargaard was garrisoned by living Blue Dragonarmy soldiers and officers", but under Kitiara's command, not Soth...... anyhow, that’s how I recall it…
For some reason, I remember some of Lord South’s lore from the Monster Manual I know he failed a quest and then was cursed as punishment, then he and his wife had a child, but he refused to believe it was his, so he slaughtered the both of them, and then he died and became a Death Knight (I think)
He didn't kill them, the earthquake of the Cataclysm caused the the main chandelier in the great hall of Dargaard Keep to fall and trap his elven wife in the fire. When he refused to take his half-elven son Peradur from her arms to save his life, she cursed him to live one life for every life lost in the Cataclysm.
He was turned from a holy quest given to him by the gods in order to avert the cataclysm, by someone literally othello-ing him (telling him his wife was cheating on him at home while he rode out to save the world) and so he failed, and fell, and was cursed.
This guy doesn't seem to really know anything about Lord Soth. And no he is not tiamat's favorite Death Knight. He is the favorite death knight of Takhisis the queen of darkness. Sorry but Takhisis and Tiamat are completely different gods
my memory is a little off but I remember him falling in love with a girl name Kitiara. He ended up stealing her in a locket and taking her and a Large section ot Krynn to RavenLoft. Kitiara had a blue dragon named ski who jumped into several books looking for her.
Yeah he had a thing for Kitiara, Raistlin and Caramon's half sister. When Dalamar killer her Soth tried to search for her sould in the afterlife but never could find it as did Skie her blue dragon. Kitiara did NOT want anything to do with Soth in life or the afterlife and was terrified he was going to bound her somehow to him.
Are they really gonna call Takhisis Tiamat in this book? I'm not an old school dnd player by any means, but even I know that's a huge disrespect to the original fans of the setting
I want. to be excited for Dragonlance, but with how phoned in Spelljammer was, I'm not expecting much. I just hope it's not another book where DMs and the community have to actually put all of the effort into the setting that WotC couldn't be bothered to flesh out.
2:28 Yeeeeeah, speaking of the novels, (written by the people who MADE Soth and DL btw) you're kinda breaking continuity. He's not supposed to be involved in the war at all until around the time Highlord Feal Thas is killed. Which was fairly late into the war. If this is an adventure taking place in the really early war, then he kinda shouldn't be here...like, at all. 😅 A+ on your homework.
Your recollection is wrong. Lord Soth was involved when Kitiara recruited him, which was before she became the Blue Dragon Highlord. So well before Feal-thas was killed. See the novel Dragons of the Highlord Skies by Weis and Hickman. Also the War of the Lance 3.5 D&D sourcebook. D- on your homework.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 I'm referring to Dragons of the Highlord Skies genius. She was already the Blue Lady by that point, and doesn't recruit him until the END of that book after being falsely accused of assisting in the death of Verminaard, as a result of her connection to the Companions, and Feal Thas being salty about her killing the Dragon Orb's guardian. You know. Verminaard. Villain who died in Autumn Twilight. Ringing any bells? When she then agrees to recruit Lord Soth in exchange for escaping execution. You're the one that needs to do your homework. Highlord Skies takes place during early Winter Night. You're talking to somebody who reread Chronicles, Lost Chronicles, and Legends over the summer, and is also running the 3.5 adventure BTW.
@@orangexlightning Huh, it appears my own memory is faulty then. I could have sworn I remembered that Lord Soth was the power she needed to become Blue Dragon Highlord. Though the new book does throw the timeline into disarray so who knows what going on anymore.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 To be fair, the Lost Chronicles Trilogy has its own share of continuity errors, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of them. But the Timeline is, Autumn Twilight, Dwarven Depths, Highlord Skies/Early Winter Night, Winter Night, Spring Dawning/Hourglass Mage.
So.... my first DnD experience was in 1976 and I've played and consumed content most regularly for the past 45ish years, 5e being my best experience since "advanced" as a youngling. I remember Lord Soth appearing and eventually being banished to his own realm in the mists. I enjoyed the "second?" ravenloft book with him as the lead as well. Played through SDQ as a player recently completing and then reading through the adventure after. I am disappointed at such a character with such potential being relegated to a nothing role. His character does nothing but drive the "fetch quest" narrative and act as a plot piece of this subpar product from WoC, show up every now and then to drive the story, and then at the end be neutered by looking at a mirror spoon fed to the PCs in the tunnels by friendly vampires and ghosts. No foreshadowing as to a way to bring him down other than the suggestion that he "might regret decisions made in the past" (like... who doesn't) during the Kalaman council massacre. In fact, if the exposition bots weren't in the tunnels it is unlikely most would make the connection between the Kalaman massacre and any reference to the mirror as a means to basically take him out of play SDQ is bad writing, fetch quest, girlboss pandering that minimizes the legacy of dnd and this character
So far I'm hearing and seeing, "this isn't actually Dragonlance, and Dragonlance fans aren't actually going to like this because the lore is not being respected." You guys love to talk about Lord Soth's vanity without recognizing your own. I will happily not buy any of your products going forward if you can't respect the fans by respecting the lore. Get creative in your own campaigns but keep your major lore breaking changes out of official Dragonlance
I love D&D but there’s 9ne thing I hate about it I took a test that said I was a dragonborn. Barbarian when I went to get a mini there was none all fake none by real company please fix that
Nope. Soth isn't a regular death knight, he was created by a curse that was enhanced by all the gods of the pantheon for his failure to stop the cataclysm. The number of people who pose any kind of risk to him in Krynn can be counted on one hand. Most things that affect regular undead don't do anything to him. And at the point in the story that the war of the lance takes place in, only ~2-3 good aligned people canonically had access to any kind of divine healing spells, and only ~1-2 people could cast raise dead (and only from an item). Krynn was canonically a very low magic environment compared to other D&D worlds.
What did you want that would have satisfied you? It is just a couple guys talking about Lord Soth for a few minutes. How did they insult or change the character?
@@nonnayerbusiness7704well in the first 4 seconds of the video they call him the favorite of Tiamat. He wasn't even a favorite of any god in dragonlance. It seems more like they have heard secondhand information and are simply repeating what they were told. I would bet money that no one in this video has read the novels and honestly that would not surprise me given wizards feud with weiss and hickmann.
@@lostwolfx You would be wrong because Todd has mentioned many times, especially when talking with Joe Manganello, that the Legends Trilogy is one of his favorites and Soth features in that Trilogy briefly.
@@lostwolfx He said "Tiamat's favorite deathknight". I don't think we should consider this turn of the phrase as such that he has her favor. It's like i get to work and say "Well, isn't it my favorite jerk, Greg!" While it has a meaning of fondness, it doesn't mean that Greg enjoys any favors from me.
@@lostwolfx Everything that was said in the first several seconds was said facetiously. Christ man, learn to read the room if you're going to post a bunch of negativity on a video on the internet.
If anything Zerxus is a ripoff of Soth. And Soth is a ripoff of Darth Vader who is a ripoff of the Nazgul who are a ripoff of.... wait for it... Dracula!
This is to ripped of from World of Warcraft, they made Lord Soth into Lich King. All they did take the World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King cinematic trailer and slapped a Wizards of the Coast sticker on it
@@GWOTvetx4 I remember him summoning his undead soldiers in Dragonlance Legends, when he attacked Palanthas. He also raised undead soldiers in the Ravenloft crossover novels.
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All anyone needs to say to get someone to grasp Lord Soth is: "Lord Soth is D&D's Darth Vader"
i wonder if Death Knights are the equivalent of the Jedi counterparts...Lord Soth (Sith) and Lord Ausric Krell (isnt there a fallen Jedi named Krell also?)
Warduke is D&D's Boba Fett.
@@anthony_k_harvey So, he routinely falls into sand pits?
@@AmariieMaerthos not as often as he doesn’t have a jet pack - the bane of the Fett clan.
fun fact: lord soth was once banished to barovia but strahd von zarovich was too afraid of facing him in combat in his own realm
Soth even got his own realm in Ravenloft at one point, but got fed up with being a Dark Lord and escaped. There’s an Easter egg referencing his realm in Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft.
I remember him essentially becoming a God in Ravenloft
Lord Soth is the Chuck Norris of D&D villains
@@Cudddlefish IIRC he didn't "Get fed up and leave" The Dark Powers let him go because he became such an emo that torturing him was no longer any fun
@@AmariieMaerthos yep The Dark Powers were like, wow we can't torment you as much as you do yourself! Don't hit the door on your way out.
Lord Soth is one of the most interesting old-school D&D characters, in my opinion. That brief mention of his foray into Ravenloft is particularly noteworthy.
Apparently, the punishment he was put under while in Ravenloft didn't play out as expected. I can't recall the specifics of it, but I do know what happened. His near-immortality and the imprisonment he found himself in gave him the opportunity to reflect on his life and his actions, and ultimately, accept that he deserves this punishment.
Lord Soth. One of the three best characters in Dragonlance and the only one that ever escaped Ravenloft (story for another time). I really want to hear how he and the Dragon Queen buried the hatchet - or more directly who they both want to burry the hatchet into with the “death dragons”.
I don't remember him leaving ravenloft. I thought he was still there.
@@scottfearon5531 Your mom is still there
@@scottfearon5531 The Ravenloft novel "Knight of the Black Rose" got him into Ravenloft. The sequel "Spectre of the Black Rose" got him out.
Actually, Vecna also escaped Ravenloft.
@@levithompson478 exactly - Vecna laughs at these "villains"
Lord Soth's design and obvious power was said by Weis and Hickman to be difficult to write so the death knight didn't overshadow the other villains of the story. It is ironic then that he never had a storyline where he is the main antagonist.
Soth is THE quintessential death knight in D&D. He's definitely not the first but he's definitely the most iconic.
Me, lore enthusiast: But didn't he find peace while seeking redemption.
Also me, Soth fanboy: MOAR SOTH!!!!!
I'm kind of in the same boat with you. I love Soth, but I also loved how they closed out his story.
I like that raising undead dragons has been added to Lord Soth's powers. It was always a bit embarrassing that the setting with the most iconic death knight and was primarily about dragons was late to the concept of undead dragons like dracoliches.
Why?? they are literally from two different times and two different factions. Soth has no love for the Dragon Queen. He isn't even bound by the Drago Queen exclusively, he is cursed by ALL the gods. He should LOATH the Dragon Queen. There's nothing about this change that makes sense besides "the rule of cool" but it's not cool when it breaks the entire character. It's just lazy
@@ClintOrris yet even in the original series he helps the Blue Dragon Armies. He may not be a servant of Takhisis, but that doesn't stop him from supporting her for his own ends.
@@ClintOrris They literally pointed out he doesn't follow her directly and is out for his own motives. And they're not really different factions. Takhisis canonically got him to agree to work with a highlord if they spent the night at Dargaard Keep, which Kitiara just so happened to do.
So, he WAS working with Takhisis's armies at the tail end of the war. The only actual issue with the change is that this is too early in the war for him to be working with her.
Sure, the change about him working with undead dragons is a change. But that in and of itself isn't inherently bad.
@@orangexlightning *cough* listening is for intelligence dependent nerds, when you have this much charisma you don't need to listen because people just listen to you.
Takhsis's favorite Death Knight. Tiamat doesn't exist on Krynn.
I remember him popping up in the Dragonlance novels I read as a young man. He was captivating, nuanced, and interesting. I can't wait to run him as a NPC in this campaign!
I’m so happy people are talking about him again after all these years
He was also found redemption in the last trilogy.. he was replaced cause he pretty much told the dragon queen to go f herself
I have a video all about the Dragonlance and Ravenloft story of Lord Soth.
Soth reminds me of Prince Gaynor the damned in Moorcock's works.
So, 5e Lord Soth is basically the Night king. That’s a huge power differential between previous iterations. And previously Soth was more like a 3rd party power as opposed to a direct ally to Takhisis.
Given how rare divine magic is, I can’t imagine this bodes well for the free people of Ansalon. Maybe two good aligned clerics appeared in the entirety of the war of the lance.
Not really a big fan of this. Krynn was the low-magic counterpart to Faerun, and even the most powerful wizard Krynn had ever known wasn't reanimating dragon skeletons. Ancient dragons and Lord Soth himself would bow down before Raistlin's arcane mastery, so that's saying something. This is a rather large step in power creep, when the most feared magical power Soth held previously was power word kill.
And we're expected to believe that Soth would maintain a piece of the same god-flames that consumed and cursed him and his keep for all this time after the cataclysm? Out of what, sentimental nostalgia? It seems more "rule of cool" than logical.
every new game i play the first name I try is Lord Soth , then Flint Fireforge lol
It’s about time we got Dragon Riders in D&D. My players have been dying to play one.
Drakewarden?
@@matheusfernandes2102 Drake Warden could work but are very low tier
Soth is wicked awesome...
I no him from the first two trilogies
So what I’m hearing is Darth Vader on a dragon
Imma have fun with that
If we are saying that the Krynnish gods are the same as their AD&D demon lord inspirations, he is also the favorite death knight of Orcus (Chemosh).
I’m definitely interested to see the difference, if any, between death dragon and a dracolich..
I'm imagining they're not spellcasters and probably won't come back (again) if you kill them (again)
The most obvious one, lore-wise, would be due to the circumstances of their creation: is Lord Soth likely to be interested in creating undead dragons with the kind of free will that dracoliches retain?
I think probably the difference between a human lich and human wight, but dragons
When Lord soth goes against the vampire when he is shifted to the Raven loft realm
Damn, who did the alt cover?
I love deathknights they have such great lore potential. Like I have a character I want to use one day who is a undead bladelock paladin who should they die will become a deathknight if they aren't brought back to life before a month's time has passed (of course gentle repose & such can delay that)
he raised a bunch of undead and then fuse them all together to form a giant cyst to knock down castle walls.
some of us know Lord Soth, and his story from the 1980's.... he ain't new by any means of the definition.
I'm a bit annoyed that the box set with the war game doesn't have the alternate cover.
I think it does. The picture on the site is the regular cover but after watching this video, I double checked the descriptions of everything and it specifies "Shadow of the Dragon Queen adventure book with an exclusive foil cover". That is different language than what is specified for the regular book/digital bundle which says "Shadow of the Dragon Queen printed adventure book".
@@summerzachary6074 I hope that's right! All of the pictures of the box set just keep showing the printed adventure book.
@@FridgeNinja Foil cover and alternate cover aren't the same. The foil one is just a foil version of the regular cover. This is what my research turned up. I preordered the alt cover from a local game store.
I don't want to get into to much Dragonlance lore here, but, as indicated in the campaign description: "VILLAINS: Puts heroes against the infamous death knight Lord Soth and his army of draconians". Lord Soth does not have an army of draconians, but he does have a following of evil undead minions...
I guess the addition of him creating Dracolich's (undead dragons) is fine....
And he has no love for Takhisis (The Dragon Queen)...
Oh well, we will se how this plays out.... 🙄
Lord Soth had his 13 skeletal warriors and his elven banshees but he also commanded men, goblins and draconians. Draconians and men of the dragonarmy both lived in Dargaard Keep during the War of the Lance. You can see this in the DL16 adventure, and in Dragons of Winter Night.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don’t recall any mention of Lord Soth in "Dragons of Winter Night". He does appear for the first time in "Dragons of Spring Dawning" when Ariakas meets up with Kitiara... Also, during the War of the Lance, Lord Soth pledged his allegiance to Kitiara (Bleu Dragonarmy Highlord). He allowed Kitiara to stay in Dargaard Keep and to make it one of her bases of operation (i.e. Kitiara's army, not Soth's)...
@@Sivak88 Okay, Dragons of Spring Dawning. Regardless Dargaard was garrisoned by living blue dragonarmy soldiers and officers, so your complaint is invalid.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 Totally agree, "Dargaard was garrisoned by living Blue Dragonarmy soldiers and officers", but under Kitiara's command, not Soth...... anyhow, that’s how I recall it…
Dragonlance iconic death knight.
Ah yes Lord Soth
One seriously bad dude
I want to see the stats for these undead dragons. I'm expecting to be underwhelmed.
For some reason, I remember some of Lord South’s lore from the Monster Manual
I know he failed a quest and then was cursed as punishment, then he and his wife had a child, but he refused to believe it was his, so he slaughtered the both of them, and then he died and became a Death Knight (I think)
He didn't kill them, the earthquake of the Cataclysm caused the the main chandelier in the great hall of Dargaard Keep to fall and trap his elven wife in the fire. When he refused to take his half-elven son Peradur from her arms to save his life, she cursed him to live one life for every life lost in the Cataclysm.
He was turned from a holy quest given to him by the gods in order to avert the cataclysm, by someone literally othello-ing him (telling him his wife was cheating on him at home while he rode out to save the world) and so he failed, and fell, and was cursed.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 oh
my bad
i only know what was in the Monster Manual
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 he had his first wife and child murdered.
@@giggy7935 And those "someone", 3 elf women, are now banshees who sing about Soth's sins to him.
Now I need to install Death Knights of Krynn again.
This guy doesn't seem to really know anything about Lord Soth.
And no he is not tiamat's favorite Death Knight.
He is the favorite death knight of Takhisis the queen of darkness.
Sorry but Takhisis and Tiamat are completely different gods
my memory is a little off but I remember him falling in love with a girl name Kitiara. He ended up stealing her in a locket and taking her and a Large section ot Krynn to RavenLoft.
Kitiara had a blue dragon named ski who jumped into several books looking for her.
Yeah he had a thing for Kitiara, Raistlin and Caramon's half sister. When Dalamar killer her Soth tried to search for her sould in the afterlife but never could find it as did Skie her blue dragon. Kitiara did NOT want anything to do with Soth in life or the afterlife and was terrified he was going to bound her somehow to him.
the dragon is called skie or khellendros.
Are they really gonna call Takhisis Tiamat in this book? I'm not an old school dnd player by any means, but even I know that's a huge disrespect to the original fans of the setting
I LOVE Soth
I want. to be excited for Dragonlance, but with how phoned in Spelljammer was, I'm not expecting much. I just hope it's not another book where DMs and the community have to actually put all of the effort into the setting that WotC couldn't be bothered to flesh out.
First The Rehearsal, now Dragonlance. Nathan Fielder is having a big year!
Remember when Soth went to Ravenloft. If you know you know 🤓
We need a new (real) D&D MMORPG set in the FR multiverse. Image all the rich lore.
Everyone brush up on your Animal Handling? Maybe Rangers get Undead Animal Handling?
My fav bad guy!!
So lord Soth is kinda Arthas (The Lich King) from world of warcraft. (I know, in recent lore he isnt anymore)
I chose what I did and I would do it again
Lord Soth did nothing wrong.
#justiceforsoth lol
2:28 Yeeeeeah, speaking of the novels, (written by the people who MADE Soth and DL btw) you're kinda breaking continuity. He's not supposed to be involved in the war at all until around the time Highlord Feal Thas is killed. Which was fairly late into the war.
If this is an adventure taking place in the really early war, then he kinda shouldn't be here...like, at all. 😅 A+ on your homework.
Your recollection is wrong. Lord Soth was involved when Kitiara recruited him, which was before she became the Blue Dragon Highlord. So well before Feal-thas was killed. See the novel Dragons of the Highlord Skies by Weis and Hickman. Also the War of the Lance 3.5 D&D sourcebook.
D- on your homework.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 I'm referring to Dragons of the Highlord Skies genius.
She was already the Blue Lady by that point, and doesn't recruit him until the END of that book after being falsely accused of assisting in the death of Verminaard, as a result of her connection to the Companions, and Feal Thas being salty about her killing the Dragon Orb's guardian.
You know. Verminaard. Villain who died in Autumn Twilight. Ringing any bells? When she then agrees to recruit Lord Soth in exchange for escaping execution.
You're the one that needs to do your homework. Highlord Skies takes place during early Winter Night.
You're talking to somebody who reread Chronicles, Lost Chronicles, and Legends over the summer, and is also running the 3.5 adventure BTW.
@@orangexlightning Huh, it appears my own memory is faulty then. I could have sworn I remembered that Lord Soth was the power she needed to become Blue Dragon Highlord.
Though the new book does throw the timeline into disarray so who knows what going on anymore.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 To be fair, the Lost Chronicles Trilogy has its own share of continuity errors, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of them.
But the Timeline is, Autumn Twilight, Dwarven Depths, Highlord Skies/Early Winter Night, Winter Night, Spring Dawning/Hourglass Mage.
@@orangexlightning What year is Shadow of the Dragon Queen supposed to take place in?
I really feel sorry for the forces of good in krynn now..really, really sorry!
I am team Lord Soth 💯
So.... my first DnD experience was in 1976 and I've played and consumed content most regularly for the past 45ish years, 5e being my best experience since "advanced" as a youngling. I remember Lord Soth appearing and eventually being banished to his own realm in the mists. I enjoyed the "second?" ravenloft book with him as the lead as well.
Played through SDQ as a player recently completing and then reading through the adventure after. I am disappointed at such a character with such potential being relegated to a nothing role. His character does nothing but drive the "fetch quest" narrative and act as a plot piece of this subpar product from WoC, show up every now and then to drive the story, and then at the end be neutered by looking at a mirror spoon fed to the PCs in the tunnels by friendly vampires and ghosts. No foreshadowing as to a way to bring him down other than the suggestion that he "might regret decisions made in the past" (like... who doesn't) during the Kalaman council massacre. In fact, if the exposition bots weren't in the tunnels it is unlikely most would make the connection between the Kalaman massacre and any reference to the mirror as a means to basically take him out of play
SDQ is bad writing, fetch quest, girlboss pandering that minimizes the legacy of dnd and this character
So far I'm hearing and seeing, "this isn't actually Dragonlance, and Dragonlance fans aren't actually going to like this because the lore is not being respected." You guys love to talk about Lord Soth's vanity without recognizing your own. I will happily not buy any of your products going forward if you can't respect the fans by respecting the lore. Get creative in your own campaigns but keep your major lore breaking changes out of official Dragonlance
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I love D&D but there’s 9ne thing I hate about it I took a test that said I was a dragonborn. Barbarian when I went to get a mini there was none all fake none by real company please fix that
Wouldn’t casting resurrection kill him? Heal seriously wound? Back in the tavern by midday to order a beer and lunch.
Nope. Soth isn't a regular death knight, he was created by a curse that was enhanced by all the gods of the pantheon for his failure to stop the cataclysm. The number of people who pose any kind of risk to him in Krynn can be counted on one hand. Most things that affect regular undead don't do anything to him. And at the point in the story that the war of the lance takes place in, only ~2-3 good aligned people canonically had access to any kind of divine healing spells, and only ~1-2 people could cast raise dead (and only from an item). Krynn was canonically a very low magic environment compared to other D&D worlds.
This video did not do soth justice. A little insulting for fans of dragonlance who have loved him for so many years.
What did you want that would have satisfied you? It is just a couple guys talking about Lord Soth for a few minutes. How did they insult or change the character?
@@nonnayerbusiness7704well in the first 4 seconds of the video they call him the favorite of Tiamat. He wasn't even a favorite of any god in dragonlance. It seems more like they have heard secondhand information and are simply repeating what they were told. I would bet money that no one in this video has read the novels and honestly that would not surprise me given wizards feud with weiss and hickmann.
@@lostwolfx You would be wrong because Todd has mentioned many times, especially when talking with Joe Manganello, that the Legends Trilogy is one of his favorites and Soth features in that Trilogy briefly.
@@lostwolfx He said "Tiamat's favorite deathknight". I don't think we should consider this turn of the phrase as such that he has her favor. It's like i get to work and say "Well, isn't it my favorite jerk, Greg!" While it has a meaning of fondness, it doesn't mean that Greg enjoys any favors from me.
@@lostwolfx Everything that was said in the first several seconds was said facetiously. Christ man, learn to read the room if you're going to post a bunch of negativity on a video on the internet.
First comment!
Darn it
So Lord Soth is basically just Zerxus from Critical Role's Calamity. I look forward to playing him as such lol.
You got that in reverse friend.
If anything Zerxus is a ripoff of Soth. And Soth is a ripoff of Darth Vader who is a ripoff of the Nazgul who are a ripoff of.... wait for it... Dracula!
@@ClintOrris As a matter of fact, "Soth" is only one letter from "Sith".
Lord Soth came out first actually, in 1985.
This is to ripped of from World of Warcraft, they made Lord Soth into Lich King. All they did take the World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King cinematic trailer and slapped a Wizards of the Coast sticker on it
Except for the fact that Lord Soth came out first, in 1985.
@@MyTaz90 Which is why they should have used that instead of ripping off WoW.
Is this a different version of Lord Soth? I’ve always remembered him and Arthas as being similar because they’re both probably based on Darth Vader.
@@MyTaz90 When did Soth raise dead stuff to make some kind of undead Army. In Dragon Lance, there really is not undead monsters to start with.
@@GWOTvetx4 I remember him summoning his undead soldiers in Dragonlance Legends, when he attacked Palanthas. He also raised undead soldiers in the Ravenloft crossover novels.