I've always planted my trees and bushes in the fall because that's the most wet period of the year and you don't need to water as much. Didn't know that 85% of the root growth happens during fall/winter, wow! Even more of a reason to plant in the fall, thanks for the info Stefan.
That's so funny because all the shrubs get deeply discounted in the fall! Last year I couldn't resist getting a whole bunch of berry shrubs at 50% off in the fall. A few weeks later I found another nursery practically giving away plants and I bought a bunch more!
If you plant bare root trees in the fall be sure to stomp out any air pockets out of the planting hole. They can get pockets of water around the roots and freeze damaging the trees but agree fall is best time to plant. Very well explained video.
I was definitely not prepared for the reason why poop is brown in a video titled "Spring is not the best time to plant trees and shrubs" haha. But appreciate your insight.
As usual your way of explaining complex relationships for everyone to understand was delightful. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I am transforming my yard into a permaculture haven and YOU'RE a tremendous help! Especially for the fruit tree pruning 😊 You're the best!
I hear ya. Unfortunately, the nurseries all release their catalogues over the winter, and if you want to plant in the fall, your options are extremely limited. Would love to see a nursery with a winter order for planting the next fall.
I planted two different sweet cherry trees in February and one is leaved out well and the other is just standing there with fat healthy looking buds, but no leaves yet. Craziest thing I ever saw.
Very simple but excellent way of explaining for average people. Please keep making more videos, it’s been long time since I waited for new videos. Thanks
Thank you for explaining things so simply. I really appreciate it. I bought your documentary and it arrived last week. It is so informative. You make it very easy to understand and take action on. I just finished pruning 12 apple trees, 5 pear trees, and a multigrafted plum. None of them have been very productive for me so far. But I'm hopeful that after pruning them they will improve. I gathered honey locust seeds from trees nearby, and we're waiting for them to germinate, after a hot water treatment. Thanks again for explaining things in a simple way that is easy to understand.
Oh man, I wish I could catch this show as it premiers, but I won't be at home at that time. I guess I will watch it afterwards. So nice to see another video upload. I hope you will make a walkabout for the spring! You can make it every day. I would not mind.
Hi Stephan. ~ Thank you for another informative video! I’ve been waiting - like most subscribers - for your return! I am also grateful for you mentioning Sephano’s channel. He captures our Canadian birds and wildlife in an exceptional way! I watch a local biologist working diligently to save the Spirit Bear and bears in general here on the West Coast. All that to say…I was overjoyed to discover Sephano’s channel via your suggestion! It was very gracious of you to share and encourage us to support our fellow Canadians - from coast to coast to coast. May you and your family have a wonderful Spring! Many blessings🇨🇦😌🇨🇦
Love the way you explain complex topics and the comparison between humans and plants. Thanks for the new video. Hope the ice storm and winter was gentle for you!
I love the explanation in this video! For potted trees i could see it being good to plant in fall, however for bareroot plants the roots are often trimmed for transport, which reduces their stored energy and adds stress. So planting them ASAP is still necessary so they can leaf out and begin producing energy.
That’s great information! I’ve noticed that any shrub or tree that I planted in the spring doesn’t grow much the first year. Unfortunately most suppliers around me sell most of their seedlings in the spring. Thanks for sharing!
Love how you described sugars as currency. It really is a shared currency of the natural world, isn't it? Cause like, not everyone necessarily needs it, but it's used to facilitate all functions. Making it ultimately necessary for all life. Really appreciate the lamens terms explanations. You made me go from "roots produce exudates and that somehow helps uptake of nutrients" to "Ohhh exudates are sugars that attract the microbes" It really made me understand that rather than just know about it.
Now I understand why the dandelion root coffee I made today wasn't as sweet as I was hoping -- the dandelions have spent too much of their currency already. Thanks for your clear explanation.
Dandelion root for herbal purposes is always obtained in autumn, for the reasons discussed above. In turn, leaves for salads, flowers for e.g. syrup, spring.
I’m so afraid to plant my fruit trees in fall because of the harsh winter here in zone 4 in Montana, but actually I really I don’t know when is fall here because after summer finish we start winter🤷🏻♀️
I agree with this advice in cooler areas having grown many trees there. However, in this new warmer area I'm now in, certain trees don't get set back at all and power on in hot weather.. Of course, it's possible to mitigate hot weather with temporary shading. But a lot of deciduous trees definitely like to be planted during dormancy IMHO
If only when I ordered bare root trees they'd arrive in the fall. Instead I have to order them in the fall to arrive in February or March. But if I have to move a tree or repot one, I'll remember to do it right after the leaves fall in the fall. Thanks for the video.
Wondering if you will do an episode about espalier, or could recommend one. I work in urban areas and am finding espalier fits well, and am installing guild plantings. Also, different pruning techniques, for example, between a Monty's Surprise and a Pristine apple varieties. I bought your video, and have also been watching your suggestion of the Soil Science Masterclass by Elaine Ingham. I wish the varieties of trees I want to plant were not sold out by March, in some cases, because I would prefer autumn planting. Thank you for sharing information, it's much appreciated!
Great video! One of my favorites of yours. I love all the science that you brought, and it's all 100% bang on. Fantastic. One other small thing to mention, in colder climates, planting in the spring means you are a little bit further away from our death season, which is the winter. So for really cold climates, I think this factor slightly offsets the things discussed in this video, and makes spring planting a little more attractive. It's still best in the fall though. However, in warmer climates, where the season-of-death is the summer (the season that will kill most of your trees), then absolutely, it's not even close, it's fall and ONLY fall.
True but most fruit trees are clipped when you buy them in autumn, so if you take care of your spring planted tree in summer, you'll take half a year advance by autumn with much more energy to store into the roots. I say it's better to put trees in the ground than have them in pots all summer and eventually sold.
Nobody ships in fall anymore! Do you know of tree nurseries that sell/ship in fall? Looking to permaculture a fruit, nut and N2 fixing tree orchard in ME! Sound familiar? LOVE YOUR SHOW
@lynnsorensen503 Gosh, plant that mulberry! They are so vigorous. Not sure where you are, but unless you are in the desert go for it. Just keep it watered 1-4 times a weeks for about 6 weeks. Depends on size of plant, amount of roots, rainfall, heat. You are going to have to water it in that pot roughly the same but in the ground it will be getting established.
@@RichardGilbert2727 ok! I will plant the mulberry 😊 I’m in inland Mendocino county CA & should have a little more rain before the dry months kick in. Thanks
Very informative video , thank you! Your videos were already good, and it seems the filming on this one has also increase! I noticed a difference probably due to a steady cam. Good job! :)
@@fabricantdarbres it means a lot haha thank you! I’ve put in just over 2 and a half years into his new Master Class. I wouldn’t say I’ve mastered editing yet but I’ve definitely improved
Right after leaf fall is also the best time to innoculate shiitake logs. I am learning the hard way about it with about 50 logs that aren't producing much of anything and will have to go an extra nine months to fully innoculate. If they innoculate at all.
@@StefanSobkowiak Well, a handbook I got from my supplier suggests I get them in as soon as I can. I am in the upper South US and fungus stays active in nature just about year around so I have to beat nature trying to innoculate them with mainly Turkey tail . I cut everything in mid to late April with this batch not working well. A previous year-batch I did in early March is still working fine. These never turned white on the ends very much, as of yet, so I am hoping they will by next fall. A small batch I did the same day of cutting the logs last November are already well whited telling me that was the best approach, but I won't make them fruit until next September. Thank you for responding! 😊
Well the ArborDay Foundation only ships in the spring 2 zone 6. I just now finished planting a plum tree and a red maple that arrived today from the arbor tree Foundation
Stephan, I've been using the whey spray you recommended to protect my tomatoes from blight. I'm curious if you think the same whey application might also protect my orchard from brown rot. I don't want to spray copper, are there any alternatives?
I'd be interested in the answer to this too. Am suffering black rot on vines that seems to be spreading to other trees too. Have been avoiding poisons, opting for h202 / colloidal silver / neem oils but I'm not seeing much success yet.
Look up JADAMs farming recipe for water soluble liquid sulfur that breaks down into nutrients after serving its purpose. You definitely do not want to spray the trees/vines/veggies while pollinators are out which is pretty easy to avoid. You can also use it in late fall while trees are dormant as an overwinter protection spray. It is usually applied with a potassium based liquid soap that functions as a spreader, insecticide and nutrient which can be home made as well using JADAMs recipe.
I wish i coiuld plant in fall. All the trees/shrubs I order ship in spring and the varieties I want for my area I can never seem to find available for fall delivery. It bites me in the backside frequently, always 1 or 2 bare roots that never wake up no what effort amd care I put into the planting or after planting care.
Làst year was the first year i realize if you want to creatate a Permaculture orchard i had to start putting my orders to the nurseries in fall/beginning of the year if you want any choice at all of trees and scrubs. And if you like me after years of picking from the left over stock the next problem is the orders coming all at the same time. The best time to buy is in the fall since I visit the nurseries looking for bargains there were all the left over 50% off sorry looking plants and trees i bought that have started to grow.
Very curious, I have been thinking that planting in spring might be tough on the root formation and planting late summer or fall might actually be better for root formation. But that’s just guessing. 🤔🧐
Live in northeast PA and plant tree in the fall and spring so far spring planting has been far more successful. About a third of trees planted in the fall didn't make it but luckily all my spring trees have survived and thrived. Though I did have a harsh fall/winter the years I planted and a mild warm spring so weather has a big part to play. My sister who lives in central NY has also had more success planting in the spring. Anecdotal I know.
I got 3 Bare root Chinese Chestnut trees last mid May, put them in 7 gal pots all summer & will plant then in October.....I hope they all make it....wanted to also plant 4-5 Asian Persimmons but might wait till spring of 25..? not sure....
I like planting my fruit trees while in dormancy. I want them to start wake up already in their spot. I noticed when I was a newbie I planted 2 trees in summer and both got bad leaf spots and frog eye fungus. I was a newbie 2 years ago. But last year they recovered and didn't get any fungus or spots. They were strong. When I put them in the ground in summer, they were stressed & even disease resistant trees will get diseases from stress and being weak. The plants I planted in winter are incredible. I can see the difference.
Your plan makes sense, except when it comes to bare root trees and shrubs. There are no leaves to drop or sugars to store yet. They need to be spring planted. So it seems your preference is not to get bare root plants. To bad they tend to be the easiest to find, cheapest, and generally easier to plant.
@@StefanSobkowiak I love planting in the Fall in Wisconsin, but the big bare root suppliers only sell in Spring, so we have to, and the prices are phenomenal. I've had great results, but watering is an issue when dry.
I'm not sold on the sugar in the roots for the winter, maybe it has a higher concentration there but how much higher? There is no storage tank or balloon to fill. Maple sap for syrup or birch sap for syrup is throughout the tree to my understanding and comes out from pressure from all side created by heat. Can you please clarify with another video? Thanks.
Very interesting . Whats your thoughts about this net zero Co2 concept.? We we taught at school that plants need Co2 to make oxygen ? so how will they do this without Co2 in the atmosphere.?
Net Zero does not mean bringing CO2 to Zero level it's more about producing a product where your footprint (amount of CO2 emitted is countered with some other practice which absorbs CO2 which in the end is equal to zero (NET Zero)). We will never go to zero co2 in the atmosphere or we're all done for.
Hey Stefan, have you heard of syntropic agriculture? It's more of a tropical system. But I was curious if you knew anyone who was doing it in a temperate climate or maybe that's something you would like to experiment with in the future.
Yes a great system. There are several trials in temperate. A good example is from Byron in New Zealand, 2 year old planting. Ernst did a course in Portugal 2 or 3 years ago, i have not seen follow up on it. I will see how other's projects go before trying.
Sounds good. It reminds me of what you said in your presentation for verge permaculture when you grew the zucchini and did chickens in the paths when the trees were small
Great video, very informative. Question: if you were to plant a somewhat exotic tree for your climate (for example: an apricot in Scandinavia) then spring would be better than fall to let the plant avoid the first year of frost?
Actually depends on how it was grown. If grown in a pot it can grow roots after planting, while bare root not so much. Probably best to plant bare root in the spring.
Oh no! I ordered bare root trees and shrubs for June 1st. I shouldve watched your video before. I wish i knew! Now its too late to cancel. Last frost date in my area is may 29th alberta zone 3b. Maybe it will be ok, not sure.
I have worked in a nursery for the better part of a decade. When people return their dead plants we ask or look up when they got those plants and the vast majority of deaths was from the previous fall, specifically early fall. my guess is that the plant gets in the ground and starts pushing out all those new roots when it should really be slowing down and hardening off and then the winter comes and it shocks the system. any thoughts?
Usually for the plant to start pushing out new growth it got a dose of fertilizer. Never a recommended practice to fertilize in late summer or fall exactly to avoid causing new growth.
@StefanSobkowiak i have an 18 inch tall colorado blue spruce that i just bought in a nursery pot. it got delivered a week ago, im just trying to figure out exactly where to plant it
Do you have a source for 85% of roots growing in dormancy? My understanding is that late spring and summer is the time they grow most because temperatures are warmer.
The issue is finding someone who sells this stuff in the fall. The trees and shrubs are marketed in the spring. Can you tell us where to purchase these items for the fall?
I've seen advice saying both to plant in the spring and not to plant trees in the spring in the same book... I just know any trees I've planted past spring about when they bud out they don't survive my winter.
@@StefanSobkowiak Thank you! I greatly appreciate how you explained this info! So this is very easy to understand when digging up a plant and moving it to another location on my own property. Do you feel like fall is also the best time to plant bare root plants, shipped from another location? Because I am very interested in growing plants to ship bare root and am trying to figure out the details for best success! Also do you mind if I add the link to this video in my blog to help educate others?
I wish I could do that. I tried it once and the next day all the ants in the area (or so it seemd) were setting up camp and having breakfast lunch and dinner. The worst part was that they brought some scale with them. While the ants were easy to get rid of, it took me forever to get rid of that scale.
Carful not to over feed sugars as they can weaken the association between the plant and certain bacteria. If the bacteria doesn't need to work for the plant for their sugars they dont need to work for it at all, its okay as a bio stimulant but substituting the natural sugars continually will do more damage than good to the microbiology of the soil
Good explaining, but it's not the plants who figure out this. Obviously the most credible explanation for all these wonders is that someone created this all. Even from the scientist prospect if we are truly honest to ourselves. This all can't just happen by itself.
I heard that the best time was 10 years ago. Is this true?
That was the advice from 3 years ago actually, I've heard the updated advice is to have planted 13 years ago. Hope this helps!
Thx. I will plant trees 13 years in past. No problemo. I hope it will be fall.😂
Hahaha great answer. I heard it was 20 years ago so now would be 23.
haha
20 years ago, but yeah
I've always planted my trees and bushes in the fall because that's the most wet period of the year and you don't need to water as much. Didn't know that 85% of the root growth happens during fall/winter, wow! Even more of a reason to plant in the fall, thanks for the info Stefan.
That's so funny because all the shrubs get deeply discounted in the fall! Last year I couldn't resist getting a whole bunch of berry shrubs at 50% off in the fall. A few weeks later I found another nursery practically giving away plants and I bought a bunch more!
That's awesome!
If you plant bare root trees in the fall be sure to stomp out any air pockets out of the planting hole. They can get pockets of water around the roots and freeze damaging the trees but agree fall is best time to plant. Very well explained video.
I was definitely not prepared for the reason why poop is brown in a video titled "Spring is not the best time to plant trees and shrubs" haha. But appreciate your insight.
Hahaha was going to cut it out of the edit but he wanted to keep it so we did. Glad you enjoyed it Cameron 🥂
@@ZaneMedia nah I love it! The point he makes really does connect honestly
As usual your way of explaining complex relationships for everyone to understand was delightful. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I am transforming my yard into a permaculture haven and YOU'RE a tremendous help! Especially for the fruit tree pruning 😊 You're the best!
Thank you Suzanne, that’s the goal, make the complex be simple and then applied.
We'd pay handsomely for some clones of that crazy productive hazelnut bush you have.
Hope you drop an email or something, I’m sure your land could benefit from it💜
I hear ya. Unfortunately, the nurseries all release their catalogues over the winter, and if you want to plant in the fall, your options are extremely limited. Would love to see a nursery with a winter order for planting the next fall.
I planted two different sweet cherry trees in February and one is leaved out well and the other is just standing there with fat healthy looking buds, but no leaves yet. Craziest thing I ever saw.
Very simple but excellent way of explaining for average people.
Please keep making more videos, it’s been long time since I waited for new videos.
Thanks
New videos coming weekly 🥂
Yes we’re back on the content creating train haha thank you for the kind words
Thank you for explaining things so simply. I really appreciate it. I bought your documentary and it arrived last week. It is so informative. You make it very easy to understand and take action on. I just finished pruning 12 apple trees, 5 pear trees, and a multigrafted plum. None of them have been very productive for me so far. But I'm hopeful that after pruning them they will improve. I gathered honey locust seeds from trees nearby, and we're waiting for them to germinate, after a hot water treatment. Thanks again for explaining things in a simple way that is easy to understand.
Glad it helped.
Yes glad you enjoyed this one 🥂
Very interesting!!! I have heard this. Wish the nurseries would have trees in the fall but they are geared for spring. Thanks ❤
Oh man, I wish I could catch this show as it premiers, but I won't be at home at that time. I guess I will watch it afterwards. So nice to see another video upload. I hope you will make a walkabout for the spring! You can make it every day. I would not mind.
Wonderful.
Every day not likely.
Hi Stephan. ~ Thank you for another informative video!
I’ve been waiting - like most subscribers - for your return!
I am also grateful for you mentioning Sephano’s channel. He captures our Canadian birds and wildlife in an exceptional way! I watch a local biologist working diligently to save the Spirit Bear and bears in general here on the West Coast. All that to say…I was overjoyed to discover Sephano’s channel via your suggestion! It was very gracious of you to share and encourage us to support our fellow Canadians - from coast to coast to coast.
May you and your family have a wonderful Spring! Many blessings🇨🇦😌🇨🇦
You would be a good teacher. I always loved me a teacher that could keep my attention and provide clear factual information. Nice job!
Thanks Sonic
I’ve always read to be cautious planting in colder climates (Zone 3/4) in the fall. I’ve been doing it for several years now with great results!
I switched to fall planting about 4 years ago and I've yet to lose a tree that I planted in Oct. with the coming of the next year. Zone 4b
Love the way you explain complex topics and the comparison between humans and plants. Thanks for the new video. Hope the ice storm and winter was gentle for you!
Wow what a learning video this video should be used in schools..........
Wow now that’s a compliment haha thanks Anthony glad you enjoyed this one 🥂
I aim to make complex ideas simple.
Hello from Poland
I love the explanation in this video! For potted trees i could see it being good to plant in fall, however for bareroot plants the roots are often trimmed for transport, which reduces their stored energy and adds stress. So planting them ASAP is still necessary so they can leaf out and begin producing energy.
Im not very far from you, about 35 minutes away in fact, i love how you make things easy to understand ! Thank you !
Glad you enjoyed this one Nicole
A man of the people go Stefan
Thanks so much I believe the same and have had much better results planting in fall…stay blessed
Thank you for the information. It is also great to plant in fall because if your buy trees that is usualy when then are on a great price.
Another great point!
Very nice explanation. You are a gifted teacher and thank you .
Thank you my friend, a great compliment
That’s great information! I’ve noticed that any shrub or tree that I planted in the spring doesn’t grow much the first year. Unfortunately most suppliers around me sell most of their seedlings in the spring. Thanks for sharing!
That’s normal, will grow normally in second year.
This is conceptually brilliant! Thank you soooo much!!!
Thank you we’re glad you enjoyed this one
Love how you described sugars as currency. It really is a shared currency of the natural world, isn't it? Cause like, not everyone necessarily needs it, but it's used to facilitate all functions. Making it ultimately necessary for all life.
Really appreciate the lamens terms explanations. You made me go from "roots produce exudates and that somehow helps uptake of nutrients" to "Ohhh exudates are sugars that attract the microbes" It really made me understand that rather than just know about it.
It’s always easier to make things more complicated.
Now I understand why the dandelion root coffee I made today wasn't as sweet as I was hoping -- the dandelions have spent too much of their currency already. Thanks for your clear explanation.
Glad you enjoyed this one Mike 🥂
Dandelion root for herbal purposes is always obtained in autumn, for the reasons discussed above. In turn, leaves for salads, flowers for e.g. syrup, spring.
Great video. Explained so well that I could actually understand it.
Wow thanks for the kind words we’re glad you enjoyed this one
So much knowledge
I’m so afraid to plant my fruit trees in fall because of the harsh winter here in zone 4 in Montana, but actually I really I don’t know when is fall here because after summer finish we start winter🤷🏻♀️
I agree with this advice in cooler areas having grown many trees there. However, in this new warmer area I'm now in, certain trees don't get set back at all and power on in hot weather.. Of course, it's possible to mitigate hot weather with temporary shading. But a lot of deciduous trees definitely like to be planted during dormancy IMHO
If only when I ordered bare root trees they'd arrive in the fall. Instead I have to order them in the fall to arrive in February or March. But if I have to move a tree or repot one, I'll remember to do it right after the leaves fall in the fall. Thanks for the video.
Glad you enjoyed this one good luck 🥂
Wow! Lovely information. Thank you very much.
Great glad you enjoyed it
Wondering if you will do an episode about espalier, or could recommend one. I work in urban areas and am finding espalier fits well, and am installing guild plantings. Also, different pruning techniques, for example, between a Monty's Surprise and a Pristine apple varieties. I bought your video, and have also been watching your suggestion of the Soil Science Masterclass by Elaine Ingham. I wish the varieties of trees I want to plant were not sold out by March, in some cases, because I would prefer autumn planting. Thank you for sharing information, it's much appreciated!
Thanks for the support. Yes would be nice if you could reserve trees for spring or fall planting.
Your knowledge always amazes me ,thank you soooo much
Much more to come 🥂
He really makes things easier to understand, love his breakdowns
Excellent presentation
Glad you enjoyed it
So much knowledge
Great video! One of my favorites of yours. I love all the science that you brought, and it's all 100% bang on. Fantastic.
One other small thing to mention, in colder climates, planting in the spring means you are a little bit further away from our death season, which is the winter. So for really cold climates, I think this factor slightly offsets the things discussed in this video, and makes spring planting a little more attractive. It's still best in the fall though. However, in warmer climates, where the season-of-death is the summer (the season that will kill most of your trees), then absolutely, it's not even close, it's fall and ONLY fall.
Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting!
Glad you liked this one 🥂
so helpful! thanks for sharing your knowledge
We’re glad you enjoyed this one
True but most fruit trees are clipped when you buy them in autumn, so if you take care of your spring planted tree in summer, you'll take half a year advance by autumn with much more energy to store into the roots. I say it's better to put trees in the ground than have them in pots all summer and eventually sold.
Nobody ships in fall anymore! Do you know of tree nurseries that sell/ship in fall? Looking to permaculture a fruit, nut and N2 fixing tree orchard in ME! Sound familiar? LOVE YOUR SHOW
Kind words James glad you enjoyed and good luck with your orchard 🥂
Thanks. We have a lot of nurseries that ship in fall here in Eastern Canada.
Thanks! I was about to plant a small mulberry that’s in a pot…I’ll wait till fall😊👍
@lynnsorensen503 Gosh, plant that mulberry! They are so vigorous. Not sure where you are, but unless you are in the desert go for it. Just keep it watered 1-4 times a weeks for about 6 weeks. Depends on size of plant, amount of roots, rainfall, heat. You are going to have to water it in that pot roughly the same but in the ground it will be getting established.
@@RichardGilbert2727 ok! I will plant the mulberry 😊 I’m in inland Mendocino county CA & should have a little more rain before the dry months kick in. Thanks
Very informative video , thank you! Your videos were already good, and it seems the filming on this one has also increase! I noticed a difference probably due to a steady cam. Good job! :)
Yes progress. Good observation.
Haha yes we’ve reinvested a decent amount back into the channel so expect this kind of quality moving forward 🥂
@Zack Zane I noticed it right away, and I tought it was worth mentioning. 🤜🏻🤛🏻
@@fabricantdarbres it means a lot haha thank you! I’ve put in just over 2 and a half years into his new Master Class. I wouldn’t say I’ve mastered editing yet but I’ve definitely improved
Great video that helped make sense of this! Can I please ask when is best time to plant or transplant evergreens?
Spring is best for evergreens. You don’t want to cut roots and plant in fall since they will continue to lose water.
@@StefanSobkowiak thanks!
Great video, awesome science
We’re glad you enjoyed it
I have always been told the best time to plant a tree was yesterday or better yet, last year! haha
BTW, love your vids! Thank you for doing them!
I’ve also heard the best time was 10 years ago
Extraordinary explanation!
Finally a channel with someone who's gardening with principles instead of gadgets.
Right after leaf fall is also the best time to innoculate shiitake logs. I am learning the hard way about it with about 50 logs that aren't producing much of anything and will have to go an extra nine months to fully innoculate. If they innoculate at all.
You have to wait a few weeks after cutting the trees to inoculate.
@@StefanSobkowiak Well, a handbook I got from my supplier suggests I get them in as soon as I can. I am in the upper South US and fungus stays active in nature just about year around so I have to beat nature trying to innoculate them with mainly Turkey tail . I cut everything in mid to late April with this batch not working well. A previous year-batch I did in early March is still working fine. These never turned white on the ends very much, as of yet, so I am hoping they will by next fall. A small batch I did the same day of cutting the logs last November are already well whited telling me that was the best approach, but I won't make them fruit until next September. Thank you for responding! 😊
When I clicked on this video, I had no idea I would be learning where poop gets its 'hue' from....
Super
Thank you!
One question; what is your take on transplanting a tree with a few years, well established, in the late spring or early summer?
It’s not the ideal time to move them but getting the biggest root ball you can manage, adding mulch when replanted.
What about Coniferous Trees? Are they less picky about there ideal season or do they benefit more from the lack of competitive leaves in the spring?
Conifers and evergreen best in spring.
So what do we do with the bareroot tree that gets shipped in the spring. Do we put it in a big pot of soil?
Or do you leave it in water?
Plant ASAP in the soil but you will have to baby it a bit more this season. Make sure to give it some mulch.
They'll be fine, more get planted in spring then any other time in my country, just before they're pushing growth
Should a tree being transplanted still have a bunch of leaves on it when you transplant it in the autumn, so it can use those to help grow some roots?
No, ideal is just as they’re dropping.
Too late lol I can't wait!
Well the ArborDay Foundation only ships in the spring 2 zone 6. I just now finished planting a plum tree and a red maple that arrived today from the arbor tree Foundation
I know, it's still the engrained season.
Stephan, I've been using the whey spray you recommended to protect my tomatoes from blight. I'm curious if you think the same whey application might also protect my orchard from brown rot. I don't want to spray copper, are there any alternatives?
I'd be interested in the answer to this too. Am suffering black rot on vines that seems to be spreading to other trees too. Have been avoiding poisons, opting for h202 / colloidal silver / neem oils but I'm not seeing much success yet.
Look up JADAMs farming recipe for water soluble liquid sulfur that breaks down into nutrients after serving its purpose. You definitely do not want to spray the trees/vines/veggies while pollinators are out which is pretty easy to avoid. You can also use it in late fall while trees are dormant as an overwinter protection spray. It is usually applied with a potassium based liquid soap that functions as a spreader, insecticide and nutrient which can be home made as well using JADAMs recipe.
@@humicrobe4507 Thank you so much; will definitely search for the recipe as suggested! 🙏
Worth trying. We get brown rot in september on some plums after the last spray in mid-June so I should try a later one as well.
I wish i coiuld plant in fall. All the trees/shrubs I order ship in spring and the varieties I want for my area I can never seem to find available for fall delivery. It bites me in the backside frequently, always 1 or 2 bare roots that never wake up no what effort amd care I put into the planting or after planting care.
At work I’ll miss the live!!
Something to look forward to at the end of the day 🥂
@@StefanSobkowiak yes sir!!! You have a fine day!! I’ll catch it later on
Làst year was the first year i realize if you want to creatate a Permaculture orchard i had to start putting my orders to the nurseries in fall/beginning of the year if you want any choice at all of trees and scrubs. And if you like me after years of picking from the left over stock the next problem is the orders coming all at the same time.
The best time to buy is in the fall since I visit the nurseries looking for bargains there were all the left over 50% off sorry looking plants and trees i bought that have started to grow.
Very curious, I have been thinking that planting in spring might be tough on the root formation and planting late summer or fall might actually be better for root formation. But that’s just guessing. 🤔🧐
Hahaha, the early bird gets the worm.
Live in northeast PA and plant tree in the fall and spring so far spring planting has been far more successful. About a third of trees planted in the fall didn't make it but luckily all my spring trees have survived and thrived. Though I did have a harsh fall/winter the years I planted and a mild warm spring so weather has a big part to play. My sister who lives in central NY has also had more success planting in the spring. Anecdotal I know.
I have a few trees that need to be re-planted to a better place. I planted them last summer. Would it be OK to transfer them ASAP?
Yes. You don't want to move into summer before doing it.
I got 3 Bare root Chinese Chestnut trees last mid May, put them in 7 gal pots all summer & will plant then in October.....I hope they all make it....wanted to also plant 4-5 Asian Persimmons but might wait till spring of 25..? not sure....
Fall planting of potted plants is best.
85% that's astounding!
Think of it, where does all that energy go from the leaves?
If one were to plant trees in the spring, would older trees (with a significant amount of leaves out) be better to plant in spring than young trees?
No always best to plant them when no leaves out.
@@StefanSobkowiak Okay. Thank you.
I like planting my fruit trees while in dormancy. I want them to start wake up already in their spot. I noticed when I was a newbie I planted 2 trees in summer and both got bad leaf spots and frog eye fungus. I was a newbie 2 years ago. But last year they recovered and didn't get any fungus or spots. They were strong. When I put them in the ground in summer, they were stressed & even disease resistant trees will get diseases from stress and being weak. The plants I planted in winter are incredible. I can see the difference.
Summer is stressful even when planting potted plants. Good observation.
Is the same true for planting evergreen trees and shrubs? Is fall the best time for them as well?
Good question, for evergreens the best time is spring.
@@StefanSobkowiak Thanks Stefan. Do you think next week, beginning May 8th for NY, zone 7a is too late?
Your plan makes sense, except when it comes to bare root trees and shrubs. There are no leaves to drop or sugars to store yet. They need to be spring planted. So it seems your preference is not to get bare root plants. To bad they tend to be the easiest to find, cheapest, and generally easier to plant.
Agreed supply is most abundant in spring but increasingly available in fall.
@@StefanSobkowiak I love planting in the Fall in Wisconsin, but the big bare root suppliers only sell in Spring, so we have to, and the prices are phenomenal. I've had great results, but watering is an issue when dry.
Not the best time to plant I agree, but no one had anything left by fall. What do you suggest to get around this problem?
Plant when they’re available
Start a home nursery plot!
Texas is a little, ummmm harder to pinpoint planting season in some cases
I'm not sold on the sugar in the roots for the winter, maybe it has a higher concentration there but how much higher? There is no storage tank or balloon to fill. Maple sap for syrup or birch sap for syrup is throughout the tree to my understanding and comes out from pressure from all side created by heat. Can you please clarify with another video? Thanks.
Very interesting .
Whats your thoughts about this net zero Co2 concept.?
We we taught at school that plants need Co2 to make oxygen ?
so how will they do this without Co2 in the atmosphere.?
Net Zero does not mean bringing CO2 to Zero level it's more about producing a product where your footprint (amount of CO2 emitted is countered with some other practice which absorbs CO2 which in the end is equal to zero (NET Zero)). We will never go to zero co2 in the atmosphere or we're all done for.
Fifty years ago, growing up, everyone planted in the fall. Wonder why it changed.
So are you saying that the entire tree for sale industry is wrong?
They are just appealing to the publics desire to get outside after winter and start planting.
Hey Stefan, have you heard of syntropic agriculture? It's more of a tropical system. But I was curious if you knew anyone who was doing it in a temperate climate or maybe that's something you would like to experiment with in the future.
Yes a great system. There are several trials in temperate. A good example is from Byron in New Zealand, 2 year old planting. Ernst did a course in Portugal 2 or 3 years ago, i have not seen follow up on it. I will see how other's projects go before trying.
Sounds good. It reminds me of what you said in your presentation for verge permaculture when you grew the zucchini and did chickens in the paths when the trees were small
Great video, very informative. Question: if you were to plant a somewhat exotic tree for your climate (for example: an apricot in Scandinavia) then spring would be better than fall to let the plant avoid the first year of frost?
Actually depends on how it was grown. If grown in a pot it can grow roots after planting, while bare root not so much. Probably best to plant bare root in the spring.
@@StefanSobkowiak Thank you!
Best time is fall?
Best time is just after leaf fall 🥂
Oh no! I ordered bare root trees and shrubs for June 1st. I shouldve watched your video before. I wish i knew! Now its too late to cancel. Last frost date in my area is may 29th alberta zone 3b. Maybe it will be ok, not sure.
They’ll be fine just mulch and give them water this summer.
@@StefanSobkowiak Thank you, Stefan!
I have worked in a nursery for the better part of a decade. When people return their dead plants we ask or look up when they got those plants and the vast majority of deaths was from the previous fall, specifically early fall. my guess is that the plant gets in the ground and starts pushing out all those new roots when it should really be slowing down and hardening off and then the winter comes and it shocks the system. any thoughts?
Usually for the plant to start pushing out new growth it got a dose of fertilizer. Never a recommended practice to fertilize in late summer or fall exactly to avoid causing new growth.
hey stephan is this true for evergreen trees? i am about to plant some spruce trees this fall
No for bare root evergreens plant in spring, fall for potted is fine.
@StefanSobkowiak i have an 18 inch tall colorado blue spruce that i just bought in a nursery pot. it got delivered a week ago, im just trying to figure out exactly where to plant it
@@cantwealljustgetalong2 it will grow to more than 60’ so put it on the North side of the yard unless you want year long shade.
Lots of good info thanks, but Lost me at the human biology, poop is brown because of bile and bilirubin not the microbes..?
Do you have a source for 85% of roots growing in dormancy? My understanding is that late spring and summer is the time they grow most because temperatures are warmer.
Dr Carl Whitcombs studies from 80s and 90.
The issue is finding someone who sells this stuff in the fall. The trees and shrubs are marketed in the spring. Can you tell us where to purchase these items for the fall?
Lots of nurseries in eastern Canada supply in fall.
@@StefanSobkowiak I'm in the lower 48. Near Philadelphia. I guess I'll have to look around for local nurseries
I've seen advice saying both to plant in the spring and not to plant trees in the spring in the same book... I just know any trees I've planted past spring about when they bud out they don't survive my winter.
Evergreens best in spring.
@@StefanSobkowiak thanks for the tip :)
Does it matter what zone it is?
As long as there is a seasonal leaf fall, it's fall.
I am just curious. What growing zone are you? Thanks!
Ag Can zone 5, US Zone 4
@@StefanSobkowiak Thank you! I greatly appreciate how you explained this info! So this is very easy to understand when digging up a plant and moving it to another location on my own property.
Do you feel like fall is also the best time to plant bare root plants, shipped from another location? Because I am very interested in growing plants to ship bare root and am trying to figure out the details for best success!
Also do you mind if I add the link to this video in my blog to help educate others?
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When's the best time to transplant?
Also fall
I feed my plants molasses. They do not need to make sugar they spend all there energy making me fruit.
I wish I could do that. I tried it once and the next day all the ants in the area (or so it seemd) were setting up camp and having breakfast lunch and dinner. The worst part was that they brought some scale with them. While the ants were easy to get rid of, it took me forever to get rid of that scale.
Carful not to over feed sugars as they can weaken the association between the plant and certain bacteria. If the bacteria doesn't need to work for the plant for their sugars they dont need to work for it at all, its okay as a bio stimulant but substituting the natural sugars continually will do more damage than good to the microbiology of the soil
that is a lot of talking ?
all trees everywhere is 85 %
money visuals are odd ?
Appreciate the feedback Mat, I will be trying my best to improve on the editing of Stefan’s videos so all feedback is helpful 🥂
4:54 Nope. Stools are brown because of RED blood cells (which are continuously renewed) which end up in our stools.
What are red blood cells surrounded with? Cell walls.
@@StefanSobkowiak As your skin, your nail, your eyes etc. Which are not red. The color is due to the hemoglobin pigment.
Good explaining, but it's not the plants who figure out this. Obviously the most credible explanation for all these wonders is that someone created this all. Even from the scientist prospect if we are truly honest to ourselves. This all can't just happen by itself.
Thanks for your informative videos.
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