Blond Mummies, Tocharians and Indo-Europeans of China

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  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive  3 роки тому +245

    Update Aug 2021: New genetic data leaked from forthcoming paper on Tarim mummies disproves my claim from my video last year that early Tarim mummies were Iranic. It also shows the likely origin of Tocharian in Asia is in the Dzungarian Basin just north of Tarim. The older samples in the new study are from Dzungarian Basin and these samples do appear to be Afanasievo derived and therefore could be the source of Tocharian languages, and if so then the language only moved south into Tarim basin quite late, much later than I thought, but the early Tarim mummies do not appear to be Tocharians or even, as I speculated in my video las year, Iranic speaking Aryans, rather an isolated refugia of ice-age like people predominantly descended from Ancient North Eurasians and West Siberian Hunter-Gatherers. WSHG themselves were 72.5% ANE, 7.5% West European Hunter-Gatherer, and 20% Ancient East Asian.
    We can't say what language these Siberian mammoth hunter-like people of Tarim spoke (not an Indo-European one though), although we know Tocharian and Iranic both entered the Tarim basin region later on. Interesting that the mummies appear to be European in phenotype despite not descending from Indo-European bronze age steppe peoples who are autosomally like modern Europeans.
    Later Tarim mummies like Cherchen man actually probably do have some steppe admixture and could well be Iranic speakers. Tocharian and Iranic speakers of steppe descent entered the Tarim basin from different routes at different times, but the original inhabitants were these ANE descended Siberian people and they mixed with the incoming Indo-Europeans.
    Edit Oct 2021: Here is the full paper www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04052-7
    Here is my live stream on the subject:
    ua-cam.com/video/sCRsTDXzMFo/v-deo.html

    • @societyandhistory9357
      @societyandhistory9357 3 роки тому +9

      I am Anmol basnet from Nepal and we are member of that clan but known as khas(chhetry) community in Nepal

    • @nimrodsfall3259
      @nimrodsfall3259 3 роки тому +7

      Can you make a new video about this? I would like for someone to point out the actual mummies that have significant ANE geneflow. I have heard that the Cherchen man was one of the mummies that had a large portion of ANE ancestry but maybe that is wrong.

    • @BTSarmy-tz2lu
      @BTSarmy-tz2lu 3 роки тому +7

      Hey bro then why you are not talking about brown skin of your yamnaya ancestors haha, because you are too biased about

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  3 роки тому +66

      @@BTSarmy-tz2lu I don't have Yamnaya ancestors. Corded Ware did not have brown skin. Yamnaya were not even brown like Indian people, more like Italians

    • @IranAzadLoading
      @IranAzadLoading 3 роки тому +13

      Thanks for making Videos on eastern Indo Europeans, especially Sogdians. There was sadly alot of recession after the Mongol invasion.
      Tajiks are very much still resembling Sogdians.

  • @henrywalker630
    @henrywalker630 5 років тому +719

    You’d be forgiven for thinking you were watching a BBC4 documentary as far as the production value goes, this is a high quality documentary.

    • @buteos8632
      @buteos8632 5 років тому +43

      Henry Walker with the plus of no propaganda and some cheering for us!!!😁

    • @jamesmaysflyingwashingmach7459
      @jamesmaysflyingwashingmach7459 5 років тому +25

      Exactly, he argues his points persuasively with facts, instead of rants and propaganda. This is valuable information and an interesting perspective, not preaching to the choir so to speak

    • @joegill3612
      @joegill3612 5 років тому +1

      Pity about the noisy music though. Why do these people think they need to put silly sounds on their videos?

    • @dickorange3404
      @dickorange3404 5 років тому +13

      did you... did you just try to insult the guy? because BBC documentaries are terrible.😂 this was way more informative then anything the British-Brainwashing-Corporation has ever put out.

    • @bawsack69
      @bawsack69 5 років тому +27

      If it was on the BBC, all the original inhabitants of Europe would be black.

  • @Solveiss
    @Solveiss 5 років тому +905

    Seeing a Berserk reference and a gnome meme seamlessly mixed into such a professional documentary is surreal. Great stuff my dude.

    • @giantent763
      @giantent763 5 років тому +46

      Not to forget the "sticky white substance" joke.

    • @Assdafflabaff
      @Assdafflabaff 5 років тому +10

      Must be that British wit!

    • @aramkaizer7903
      @aramkaizer7903 5 років тому +2

      I am very happy that he did that

    • @svartirbjorn197
      @svartirbjorn197 5 років тому +16

      "Wu lad"

    • @kmkenny3720
      @kmkenny3720 5 років тому +1

      Tatarian / tartar / tartaria people

  • @rinoamenna
    @rinoamenna 5 років тому +1320

    creepy how she still looks somewhat pretty even tho shes been a mummy for 3000 years

    • @Bubbles-ss7hc
      @Bubbles-ss7hc 5 років тому +24

      dayum

    • @rinoamenna
      @rinoamenna 5 років тому +40

      @Twenty Faces & who cares what you think ? you say that as you dont show ur face lmao

    • @ARMY2014
      @ARMY2014 5 років тому +46

      @Twenty Faces You're just a child hiding behind a screen, and she doesnt look like a man, her appearance looks very feminine

    • @practicaloccultist231
      @practicaloccultist231 5 років тому +16

      @Twenty Faces you sound like someone insecure in their own looks 😂

    • @frankmad4225
      @frankmad4225 5 років тому +22

      you look good, don't listen to idiots, girl.

  • @LeChristEstRoi
    @LeChristEstRoi 3 роки тому +297

    Imagine being so beautiful that even in a state of mummification you still look attractive!

    • @bamafader4543
      @bamafader4543 3 роки тому +3

      i'd hit it

    • @samuu_samuu
      @samuu_samuu 3 роки тому +12

      @@bamafader4543 necrophilia much

    • @samuelbonaccorso9969
      @samuelbonaccorso9969 3 роки тому +1

      Holy necro humping Wednesday Batman!

    • @ronlionheart1646
      @ronlionheart1646 3 роки тому +15

      @@bamafader4543 bruh... she's dead, but I want to somehow make her alive again and ask her how did she die, but again she would hate the modern world.

    • @zektre2059
      @zektre2059 3 роки тому +2

      Litterally me. I don't have to imagine that.

  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive  5 років тому +495

    I made an error - the blue eyed Yuezhi bust is not actually depicting a Yuezhi. It was made by Yuezhi people and it depicts a Saka Scythian man whom they defeated.

    • @firefly4784
      @firefly4784 5 років тому +13

      Survive the Jive
      It should be pronounced Rouzhi (月氏)

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 років тому +68

      @@firefly4784 According to who? It isn't a Chinese word - it is East Iranic. Closest living language to it is Ossetian

    • @firefly4784
      @firefly4784 5 років тому +18

      Survive the Jive
      Yuezhi is obviously a Chinese word! 月 is usually pronounced as Yue but in ancient China, it has two pronunciations and professionals argue it should be pronounced as Rou, the other pronunciation. But a lot of people just keep pronouncing it as Yue.

    • @FatJackedNerd
      @FatJackedNerd 5 років тому +3

      @@Survivethejive
      Jatts and Gujjars are descendents of Indo-Iranic people..
      Kushans are ancestors of Gujjars....
      Kambojas are ancestors of Jatt...

    • @balazskiss985
      @balazskiss985 5 років тому +13

      @@firefly4784 bullshit it means archer, and it sounds jász(yes, yessus, jesus, us=ancestor, so jesus was jász, jüecsi, or yuezhi, but chinese say jüecsi
      íjász=archer in magyar, i live in jász country

  • @PaganShagger
    @PaganShagger 5 років тому +513

    It's so refreshing to hear a gentle but authoritative narration of history, something that has been lost in recent decades. You don't shout, you don't speak fast, you don't act condescending, you act like a professor. Thank you for your videos.

    • @beardedbjorn5520
      @beardedbjorn5520 5 років тому +2

      Yes, but the voice he puts on is a bit annoying though.

    • @cosuinofdeath
      @cosuinofdeath 4 роки тому +3

      Daniel Appleton epic history has one of the best narrators

    • @ProtoIndoEuropean88
      @ProtoIndoEuropean88 2 роки тому

      it's very easily understood, I'm Portuguese, non english native speaker but I can understand what he says extremely well

    • @lucascoval828
      @lucascoval828 Рік тому

      @@beardedbjorn5520
      It's still better than what you get from ethno-spergs.

  • @junglestar
    @junglestar 5 років тому +1938

    I’m not white but I wish Europeans would love themselves and their heritage a bit more. So much to be proud of

    • @suziekeuls7582
      @suziekeuls7582 5 років тому +285

      Ty, I wish that 2. Its a shame European cultures are pushed away in EU. I am worried for the future

    • @TheJasonCombee76
      @TheJasonCombee76 5 років тому +278

      People all over the world love Europe and European culture and they are non- European.. Don't buy into that SJW white guilty trap.

    • @paolomartini150
      @paolomartini150 5 років тому +103

      Some do and some do not. Some do too much.

    • @VIDSTORAGE
      @VIDSTORAGE 5 років тому +275

      We have been brainwashed into self hatred ,not me personally ,I love me and my whiteness , overall from media and state schools. Get whites out of the way and control is much easier after that .

    • @mstrychessboxn3520
      @mstrychessboxn3520 5 років тому +19

      Africa is the cradle of civilization though!!

  • @HoundofOdin
    @HoundofOdin 5 років тому +537

    So where do you want to go?
    Proto-Indo-Europeans: *YES.*

    • @updown9697
      @updown9697 4 роки тому +2

      @BenkethePirateand have you read one?

    • @manmoy4104
      @manmoy4104 4 роки тому

      @Nemesis I mean I see your point but if we can't trust science completely then what should we trust?

    • @aryyancarman705
      @aryyancarman705 4 роки тому

      @BenkethePirate yea ofc likely to be stories carried from pie culture,along with some real stories and fiction storiess based on real events

    • @somerandom7672
      @somerandom7672 4 роки тому +3

      @Nemesis Science is good. But people pass opinions and theories as science.
      @Rumble Lane Trust in God, in Christ. You can't fully rely on anything else. It's all finite and changing.

    • @cerridianempire1653
      @cerridianempire1653 4 роки тому +16

      @khushal Singh based on analyses on european languages ( excluding
      hungarian, estonian, and finnish ) as well as north indian and iranian languages there are unmistakable similarities

  • @keigisa
    @keigisa 5 років тому +420

    I can’t believe the incredible state these mummies have been found in, they are actually quite beautiful. Thanks for sharing!

    • @extratropicalcyclone8567
      @extratropicalcyclone8567 4 роки тому +17

      Yeah cold and dry climate can do that, sadly most places with these kinds of climate can't habitable for any civilization, glacial rivers flowing from the himalayas northwards to the tarim basin can create oasis from time to time hence u had ancient kingdoms in these regions.

    • @dejanpantelic3282
      @dejanpantelic3282 4 роки тому

      Hi check Lepenski Vir and Vinca culture.Sanskript wos written on old Serbian.Rg Vede is from Serbian.Firs calendar and firs letter and alfabet.Svastika and jing jang is from Lepenski Vir, Vinca culture, Starcevo culture.R1a is Serbian genetik and I2.We are Iliri and first Sleovenik people becouse that everyone understands Serbian language.Thank and if you don't understand something ask free

    • @topg2820
      @topg2820 4 роки тому +1

      @@dejanpantelic3282 no, it's the other way around, all that you said proves y'all are from India

    • @wildcard9010
      @wildcard9010 3 роки тому

      @@Gigatechi7 your an idiot

    • @nos8141
      @nos8141 3 роки тому +1

      @@Gigatechi7 they were small group, nothing more. You are not special. There good look come from east. Not u
      There is group in north of europe. that look like they are from east.
      It is one giant landmass (eurasia), of course some travellers in ancient times from each side got very far.

  • @penapenkki
    @penapenkki 5 років тому +74

    All the hard work you put into this one clearly shows! This is exactly the type of content that drew me in years ago

  • @sanchoodell6789
    @sanchoodell6789 5 років тому +109

    I first remember learning of the Tocharians (or 'Mummie people') around 20 odd years ago in 1999 or 1998 when a programme aired on Channel 4. It was narrated by Sean Barrett. It showed a team of archeologists lead by American sinologist Victor Maire of Penn State University on expedition in Xinjiang Province investigating and gathering more info on these caucasian mummies. Totally aw struck by it. Also remember reading of a 'decoded' indo-European language discovered in western China in the 1930s in David Crystal's book 'Language' which actually got me interested in languages as a whole. Great video Jive. Keep up the good work.

    • @firefly4784
      @firefly4784 5 років тому +10

      Chinese history is a process of integrating all kinds of people including Caucasian people. In Tang Dynasty, lots of foreign generals and officials including Turkic, Iranian, Uyghur, Sogdian, etc. Uyghur has privileges in Tang Capital Chang’an. A lot of Sogdians were merchants and nine clans of them changed to Chinese last names. So if you see those last names, their ancestors could be Sogdian. Tang territories extended to Central Asia and our greatest poet in Tang Dynasty was born by the Baikul River. His first name is Bai, means white. Then he gave himself a middle name, Taibai, means too white. I suspect he is Russian or mixed with Russian and he drank a lot.
      In Yuan Dynasty, lots of Arabic and Jewish in the nowadays east coastal region being officials and merchants. and Quanzhou was the world’s largest port and is full of Christian churches, Jewish churches, and Muslim mosques. Actually, our greatest navigator Zheng He was an Arab. His dad and grandfather were officials in Today’s Yunnan province in Southerst China. His original last name was Ma, the Chinese version of Muhammad. Lots of Hui Muslim in China last name is Ma. They are still the biggest Muslim ethnicity in China. Later, lots of Manchurians changed last names to Chinese last names.
      Actually, all my uncles and my dad have curly hair and tall noses. Some of my uncles are Caucasian looking. My dad is the darkest in skin color. My ancestors must have been mixed with other ethnicities. But I don’t look like Caucasian.
      There is hardly any pure Han Chinese. Hakka people might be the purest Han Chinese, as they moved away from Yellow River regions and kept going South to avoid multiple invasions by Northern nomads. They probably get to breed among themselves mostly.

  • @hamingjiaprojekt7345
    @hamingjiaprojekt7345 5 років тому +398

    Your channel is very important!

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT 5 років тому +16

      And very Indo-European as well

    • @mk-apache6161
      @mk-apache6161 5 років тому

      Important to whom?

    • @hamingjiaprojekt7345
      @hamingjiaprojekt7345 5 років тому +3

      @@mk-apache6161 to all interested in history? Whats your question about mr.?

    • @mk-apache6161
      @mk-apache6161 5 років тому

      @@hamingjiaprojekt7345 sorry i just disagree with your comment, dont mean to insult your character or offend you in any way

    • @hamingjiaprojekt7345
      @hamingjiaprojekt7345 5 років тому

      @@mk-apache6161 no problem m8 :)

  • @twolf4764
    @twolf4764 4 роки тому +204

    Geologically speaking, the Tarim Basin underwent a massive desertification throughout the millennia. Most recent example is the Lop lake which has now pretty much dried up and a fraction of the size it used to be as little as 100 years ago. The potentially lush lakes and rivers might have been the original point of attraction for the Tocharians hence the burials in the boats.

    • @maxinewarnest894
      @maxinewarnest894 3 роки тому +6

      Whites took too many trees out. Desertification. Now everyone's doing it. No point pointing the finger. We all need to do better into the future. Green the deserts.

    • @waterloo32594
      @waterloo32594 3 роки тому +38

      @@maxinewarnest894 it was less deforestation and more changing temperatures that lead to desertification. It’s a lot like the Sahara that way. Remember, for the past 10,000 years the world has been coming out of an ice age, and has been heating up.

    • @yo2trader539
      @yo2trader539 2 роки тому +9

      This famous city of 樓蘭 (Loulan) started to decline from fourth century because of the lake drying up. There has been a number of climate irregularities, changing the natural course of the river, since antiquity. Of the three main routes from China proper to Central Asia, access to water was the single most important consideration.
      It's believed that during the ice age, the Tarim Basin was a gigantic inland sea like the Caspian or the Aral Sea. I don't kow where the homeland was for the people who migrated to the Tarim Basin thousand of years ago. Using boats for burials could be coming from an ancestral custom before they reached the Tarim Basin.

    • @alfawolf7125
      @alfawolf7125 2 роки тому

      non non non..nevertheless what matters and is their dna.and they could never possible be from the dark people of africa.arabic,or....asian descent..the fair skin asians..have this ton cos they are mixed with the whites that inhabited earth once all over

    • @Mr0rris0
      @Mr0rris0 Рік тому

      When I was younger country music was about horses and almost trucks
      These days thanks to Alan Jackson and Kenny Chesney it's all about boats and beaches
      Just sayin erroneous boats pop up..
      It's one of the hallmarks of the end

  • @MrAwrsomeness
    @MrAwrsomeness 5 років тому +363

    It's a tragedy you don't get more views, especially with people out there who make lazy blogs and make thousands

    • @MrAwrsomeness
      @MrAwrsomeness 5 років тому +2

      @@UnleashedOdinV2 people in general

    • @3mundi
      @3mundi 5 років тому +1

      Welcome to The Age of Decadence

    • @yuanruichen2564
      @yuanruichen2564 5 років тому

      @Repeat After Me: Who made the THOTs? The thirsty men.

    • @maxm3522
      @maxm3522 5 років тому +3

      Mindless entertainment will always appeal to a larger slice of humanity than thought provoking intellectualism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @altergreenhorn
      @altergreenhorn 5 років тому

      In today's society you have way more low IQ individuals than peoples with high or at least upper middle IQ and majority with low IQ naturally watch themes which they can understand and this ain't one of them

  • @philliphayden2727
    @philliphayden2727 3 роки тому +9

    Thank you for all of your research, I didn't know of the Tocharians until today. I've been trying to catch up to your timeline since I happened upon you a couple of weeks ago. Great work, especially the bit where you get the commenters to brawl without even trying!

  • @Cumulo9
    @Cumulo9 5 років тому +110

    Speaking of genocide, you must not forgot Mongols. They pretty much destroyed all major cities in Central Asia. so, no matter many Tocharians remained in Medieval period, they were almost all killed after Mongols. And also other IE people such as Greeks (lots of them in Alexendria, or Merv, capital of that east persian province) were genocided. In fact, Khorasan had lots of Greeks even BEFORE Macedonian conquest, because many Greeks were previously deported there by Persians in order to settle this frontier region. Roman captives were also sent to Merv by the Persians.

    • @Cumulo9
      @Cumulo9 4 роки тому +20

      @NotJo Genghis Khan even if he really had red hair and green eyes, didn't mean he was white. Google it, there are Mongolians even today who have red hair and light eyes, yet facial featues are totally Asian. It's possible Genghis Khan got the hair and eyes from Schytians but his face and his character (lack of empathy) must be typically North Asian

    • @Cumulo9
      @Cumulo9 4 роки тому +2

      @NotJo speculation what? you're the one speculating. Rashid Al Din never said he was "white", only that he had red hair and green eyes, which i explained, didn't mean Genghis was white.

    • @hyperborea9289
      @hyperborea9289 3 роки тому +5

      @@Cumulo9 Mongols are mixed they mixed along time ago with the scythians

    • @18890426
      @18890426 3 роки тому +1

      Every time I see White people whining about things like "Genesis Khan was white!!" I always chuckle, it clearly shows their inferiority complex!

    • @intergalacticmantv
      @intergalacticmantv 3 роки тому +11

      Green eyes and red hair are not specific to Indo-Europeans. All over the world there are people with green eyes and red hair with 0% European/Caucasoid ancestry. Personality is not something related to the ancestry as well.

  • @mariongranbruheim4090
    @mariongranbruheim4090 5 років тому +269

    1:59 The trousers resemble viking trousers; the trim has a pattern we still use!

    • @Nista357
      @Nista357 5 років тому +29

      I really don't want to be biased but this looks like "Slavic patterns" more than "Viking" ones.

    • @Nista357
      @Nista357 5 років тому +14

      @@jackvancekirkland Well its one of the points. I never said that its the most important part of the video. It was just interesting to me since as soon as I looked at those patterns first thing that came to my mind was "Wow this looks so Slavic" after I watched the video I got to the comments just for fun to see how people reacted to it. So it happened that I stumbled upon this comment which only got me curios since I became unsure if its Slavic or Viking(even though I'm aware that Vikings and Slavs are kinda mixed). So out of my curiosity I opened two tabs and in one I typed "Slavic patterns" and "Viking patterns" in another and I myself was surprised that this pattern had pretty much nothing to do with the results I got for Viking search and Slavic ones gave results immediately so I just commented on that. This detail just caught my attention and besides I heard about this story before.

    • @Nista357
      @Nista357 5 років тому +5

      @@jackvancekirkland As I said, I'm not being biased.
      VIKING PATTERNS:
      i.pinimg.com/originals/60/9e/86/609e868d4c4025de17612ad24c8aae9c.jpg
      image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/vintage-viking-borders-set-vector-260nw-1157518804.jpg
      cdn3.vectorstock.com/i/1000x1000/87/32/fantasy-vikings-pattern-vector-1598732.jpg
      SLAVIC PATTERNS:
      www.google.com/search?q=slavic+patterns&client=ms-android-huawei&prmd=ivmn&sxsrf=ACYBGNT4jlyInVnLoiPhrxRZPBIpChmIrA:1579689709706&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdjILggpfnAhU2A2MBHSnlAaQQ_AUoAXoECA0QAQ&biw=360&bih=524#imgrc=gJqjac-DIGLNEM
      www.google.com/search?q=slavic+patterns&client=ms-android-huawei&prmd=ivmn&sxsrf=ACYBGNT4jlyInVnLoiPhrxRZPBIpChmIrA:1579689709706&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdjILggpfnAhU2A2MBHSnlAaQQ_AUoAXoECA0QAQ&biw=360&bih=524#imgrc=zCDgBJAgJxyaGM
      i.pinimg.com/236x/4a/ce/ac/4aceac6ca7e3045302da76923574d04e--russian-folk-fairy-tales.jpg

    • @danielrodriguez248
      @danielrodriguez248 5 років тому +14

      VIKINGS went as far as Russia ,that we know if , before these mummies were found a tribe called the Russ tribe giving the name to Russia, maybe there were other lost tribes of Norsemen that strade into the gobe desert, but who kniw the Chinese have hidden all this for decades and all information on this like all other governments hiding the truth

    • @kalashnikov5544
      @kalashnikov5544 5 років тому +7

      @@danielrodriguez248 Because "wh1tes" have been the only ones who have always opposed the wealthy people at the top. Now, China and Russia will be used to put an end to Amer1ka.
      They got all the trillions of dollars they could out of wh1te Amer1kans sweat and labor, and now the øligãrçh rats want to jump ship.

  • @MegaMar20
    @MegaMar20 5 років тому +172

    Great video essay. The massacre bit was disturbing. Romans, Greeks and Chinese have always looked down upon surrounding cultures, but when it comes to systematic state sponsored cruelty, they have always outdone the so-called "barbarians".

    • @xanshen9011
      @xanshen9011 3 роки тому +32

      Just look at what the Romans did to the Celtic tribes of France.

    • @xanshen9011
      @xanshen9011 2 роки тому +9

      @enver pasha Pyramids? You mean kurgans? Also funny how you say old “turks” had light colored hair yet turks of anatolia look middle eastern

    • @عليياسر-ك8ف
      @عليياسر-ك8ف 2 роки тому +4

      @@xanshen9011 Damn the Romans, we have black hair and skin like the Arabs. Are we from the Middle East? We are the sons of the blessed Esau

    • @centurionl
      @centurionl 2 роки тому

      @@xanshen9011 because the turks are intermixed with arabs

    • @John-nb6ep
      @John-nb6ep 2 роки тому +4

      @@xanshen9011 The celts don't deserve any empathy.

  • @jeffrutt5292
    @jeffrutt5292 4 роки тому +72

    I love how European and oriental people share a ancient past together. Both peoples influenced each other and have influenced the world in more ways than most humans can even imagine. Also I love this narrator. Very smooth voice.

  • @carnivoreRon
    @carnivoreRon 5 років тому +31

    Thank you for providing such good information. Please continue making these videos. Facts are more important than ideology.

  • @MrFredstt
    @MrFredstt 5 років тому +504

    They won't talk about this in school or the msm

    • @vinrusso821
      @vinrusso821 5 років тому +59

      They used to. Natinal Geographic had a 2 hour documentery about the "White Mummies of the Tarin Basin". Sadly in the late 1800's Swedish archeologist documented they were finding thousands of mummies, but thought they were more recent and didnt bother.

    • @anon2034
      @anon2034 5 років тому +38

      @@vinrusso821 Swedes cucked again!

    • @Chelsea-wd4ec
      @Chelsea-wd4ec 5 років тому +4

      Do you have source for the documentary?

    • @ominous-omnipresent-they
      @ominous-omnipresent-they 5 років тому +30

      They also don't teach much about science neither, particularly in the south. To be honest, it's impossible for children to learn everything about human history during their finite years in school, so I don't expect them to learn this.

    • @lotylelemon8617
      @lotylelemon8617 5 років тому +3

      Join the club we didnt hear nothing about us or this either honey so

  • @SlimeEarts
    @SlimeEarts 5 років тому +245

    We must preserve our European history and culture !

    • @c-b.s.7624
      @c-b.s.7624 5 років тому +25

      Get an AK-47, a dozen full ammo boxes and start preserving "our European history and culture".

    • @SlimeEarts
      @SlimeEarts 5 років тому +20

      Niem Fpmak - Nied Fpmak I agree but we must also have plenty of children

    • @feedYOURchildrenKORN
      @feedYOURchildrenKORN 5 років тому +14

      @Eric W. Not necessarily true. You just might not be looking in the right places. And, you probably hear of and see the promiscuous, degenerate ones more often the good ones. Similar to seeing only bad things on the news.

    • @feedYOURchildrenKORN
      @feedYOURchildrenKORN 5 років тому +15

      @Eric W. I haven't left the US, so I don't know what other places are really like. I do agree with you overall. Divorce rates are shamefully high, casual sex is a cancer on society, porn is a terminal cancer on society, etc. Yet, I think society may be in the midst of a new turn-around. I think society is slowly changing, rejecting modernity and degeneracy, and perhaps, becoming more traditional and conservative. I think the switch is already taking place in Gen Z. The direction society has taken is unsustainable and doomed to fail. I have hope for the future. White men and women will wake up, we already are. We must do what we can to change our nations for the better.
      I'm going to have a (white) daughter in August. Her father and I will be doing what we can to raise her white-positive, pro-west, racially conscious, and morally upright. (Hoping for the best on that one.) Sometimes, it seems like all I can do, but it's better than nothing. If more whites would do this, we'd be on the right track. Maybe there's something we can do in our local governments, if possible. The west didn't fall into degeneracy over night, and it won't come out of it over night either.

    • @feedYOURchildrenKORN
      @feedYOURchildrenKORN 5 років тому +13

      @Eric W. Racial consciousness would unite us and give us a greater reason to preserve our culture and history. If white people don't think and act as part of a racial group, we'll be doomed. Everybody else on the planet thinks in these terms, that's why they aren't divided and subverted to the extent white people have been. I don't think it's a coincidence that our moral compass has been thrown off at the same time our racial identity and homelands have been lost. Racial consciousness, identity, culture, nation, and morality are all connected.
      Wouldn't European paganism be closer related to us than Buddhism? I mean, Buddhism and the Buddha came about wayyyyy after Indo-Europeans became distinct groups, no? The Buddha wasn't white or living in Europe. And isn't our view of marriage and sex more in line with Christianity than Buddhism?

  • @robertpeters3117
    @robertpeters3117 4 роки тому +131

    I visited china in the late 90's. Xinjiang, Qinghai and Gansu provinces(Could not enter Tibet). On the border of the three provinces; My host told me the story of the ghost people who lived in china before all. It was said they were very tall, pale skinned, with light hair and blue/green eyes. They resided by the ghost lake in a great city. They were wiped about long ago and the locals believe that their spirits now haunt the ghost lake.

    • @cetcelpen2451
      @cetcelpen2451 3 роки тому +9

      @a they were not indo-europeans.
      ''Tarim people descended entirely from Ancient North Eurasians (ANE), a once-widespread Pleistocene population that had mostly disappeared about 10,000 years ago, after the end of the last ice age.''

    • @egriz4461
      @egriz4461 3 роки тому

      Most northern easteren asians are pale skinned so they dont see other Whites as gost it just bullshit

    • @jasrajsandhu1658
      @jasrajsandhu1658 2 роки тому

      White worshipping, thank god at least my people had any substantial contact with the scythians (tocharian counterpart) I wonder what would happen if I brag about it to some chinease dude, envy probably

    • @alextillgruber2997
      @alextillgruber2997 2 роки тому +11

      @cet celpan
      The indoeuropean were in the big part Ancient North Eurasians too
      So they can be indoeuropean

    • @عليياسر-ك8ف
      @عليياسر-ك8ف 2 роки тому +2

      @@alextillgruber2997 These Iranian Scythians invented Buddhism and Hinduism, but they were racists

  • @kariannecrysler640
    @kariannecrysler640 2 роки тому +3

    This was the most informative compilation on the subject that I have found on UA-cam and I wish to thank you for the time and effort to create it. I look forward to seeing more of your videos! 😊

  • @russelljt3525
    @russelljt3525 5 років тому +18

    Easily the best video I’ve seen on this topic

  • @政斌-x8k
    @政斌-x8k 5 років тому +136

    This shouldn't be surprising to anyone since Europe is just a country away from China.

    • @zekun4741
      @zekun4741 5 років тому +49

      Finland is separated from Mongolia by only one country

    • @harrytee7159
      @harrytee7159 5 років тому +2

      Exactly

    • @nmarbletoe8210
      @nmarbletoe8210 5 років тому +73

      Europe and China are just a steppe away

    • @kingdomjudah900
      @kingdomjudah900 5 років тому +5

      Kim Jong Nuke this is just fancy history for white people.
      They are called CAUCASIAN and are excited they found 400 mummy’s in Asia lol
      It’s obvious they were either intermixing

    • @browny8574
      @browny8574 4 роки тому +1

      they are turanian tribes

  • @lharcum2010
    @lharcum2010 4 роки тому +53

    This was very informative! Thank you for making this. I’m not Caucasian in any sense but I wish that important history like this was shared more often. The more we know about each other the better we’ll understand everyone.

    • @عليياسر-ك8ف
      @عليياسر-ك8ف 2 роки тому

      These are your Scythian brothers, and they are from Iran, and the Caucasians are just Scythian slaves

    • @Waldgxnger
      @Waldgxnger 11 місяців тому

      caucasians refer to the Yamnaya stemming peoples. that includes the modern europeans and iranians. dont know what you are on about@@عليياسر-ك8ف

    • @celestialblue7229
      @celestialblue7229 5 місяців тому

      @@عليياسر-ك8ف They look Celtic with all of that plaid.

  • @gerard7817
    @gerard7817 5 років тому +33

    Was totally ignorant of this region until now, fascinating as usual

    • @gerard7817
      @gerard7817 5 років тому

      @_ Leethal_ thanks,you're the second one to tell me that. Maybe I'll be Vishnu

    • @gerard7817
      @gerard7817 5 років тому

      @_ Leethal_ I changed it

    • @gerard7817
      @gerard7817 5 років тому

      @_ Leethal_ This Indian guy told me I should be ashamed of myself

  • @PeteV80
    @PeteV80 5 років тому +11

    Production quality getting very good. Excellent vid.

  • @eliyartursun
    @eliyartursun 4 роки тому +10

    I knew this history before, now you have brought this Interesting research on UA-cam, thank you! i am originally from that Tarim basin, everyone told me that i was a Slavic or English when i was in mainland China.

  • @danielporter8588
    @danielporter8588 4 роки тому +39

    This blew my mind. Their bodies were so well preserved. I get chills thinking about it.

  • @Hajduk-Kralj
    @Hajduk-Kralj 5 років тому +397

    I want to see white college kids tearing off trousers screaming "That's my culture!"

    • @valentincavazzos4420
      @valentincavazzos4420 4 роки тому +20

      Look they are a long lost extinct race that's not necessarily white or asian

    • @jay5775
      @jay5775 4 роки тому +111

      @@valentincavazzos4420 Oh really... where do you get this idea? All the "Caucasian" people in this video, including the ones you are referring to here, are ultimately descended from a group of people academics call the Yamnaya. Before political correctness took hold they were called Proto-Indo-Europeans (PIE) and originated on the Pontic Steppe in prehistoric times. They were white Caucasians. Virtually all modern Europeans today are also descended from these people, along with Ancient Anatolians and Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG). Modern Euros are mix of all three of these with the PIE being dominate.

    • @umageddon
      @umageddon 4 роки тому +48

      jay5775 before PC culture took over they were called the Arayns and one of their symbols was the swastika.
      Indo-European is the PC term

    • @jay5775
      @jay5775 4 роки тому +13

      @@umageddon Yes you are basically correct, however the term "PC" is ever changing as you probably know. IE used to be the PC term but now even that is not PC enough. I'm guessing they didn't like that Indo-European actually had the word "European" in it if you know what I mean. If you check all the current DNA studies (and other articles on this subject) you find that they prefer the term Yamnaya. PIE or even Aryan is fine for me but I guess the new term is more palatable for the pathetic PC types.

    • @daltonmiller5590
      @daltonmiller5590 4 роки тому +2

      @Ario How so? I just googled it and every article points to it originating in China and being popularized with Taoism

  • @elcesar999
    @elcesar999 Рік тому +39

    I'm Colombian but for me Central Asia is magical. Since a child this region always captivated my attention 🎉 Iran, Afghanistan,Armenia,georgia, Uzbekistan. Punjab region some Pakistan etc to me feels magical and nostalgic somehow. Beautiful to use the internet for this knowledge. Love y'all

    • @adamoneil5317
      @adamoneil5317 Рік тому +9

      Same here...I feel like this region is home to many long forgotten civilizations. It's a very strange and interesting place.

    • @jerrycurrier4645
      @jerrycurrier4645 Рік тому +1

      I am as well! The history is amazing. I can't get enough lol.

    • @elcesar999
      @elcesar999 Рік тому +1

      @@jerrycurrier4645 let's make a plan and a trip my dude

    • @djprincegrandmasteryrjdalo2905
      @djprincegrandmasteryrjdalo2905 Рік тому +1

      Oh shit I never thought I would see a Colombian around here, what department are you from?

    • @elcesar999
      @elcesar999 Рік тому

      ​@@djprincegrandmasteryrjdalo2905 born in MEDELLIN, lived a lil in San andres and been in the US since 99

  • @ethanparker4309
    @ethanparker4309 4 роки тому +77

    Ancient European culture is so pretty, art depictions look so graceful.

    • @zagortenay33
      @zagortenay33 6 місяців тому +1

      They are not European.

    • @ethanparker4309
      @ethanparker4309 6 місяців тому

      @@zagortenay33 explain

    • @celestialblue7229
      @celestialblue7229 5 місяців тому

      @@zagortenay33 I think they are, they look Celtic to me.

    • @Retetop
      @Retetop 4 місяці тому

      @@zagortenay33 They are

  • @menta3625
    @menta3625 4 роки тому +45

    In Hungary, we were taught that our ancestors ( the Huns ) came from China, and some of them went to India and Persia :))

    • @nsdtgabe4082
      @nsdtgabe4082 4 роки тому +7

      Yeah the magyars

    • @Mastakilla91
      @Mastakilla91 4 роки тому +29

      truth be told 90% of your ancestors were europeans which is very evident since you look like other central europeans.

    • @FirstLast-hz8ut
      @FirstLast-hz8ut 4 роки тому +5

      Hmm... The Tocharians did invade India. My ancestors were said to live in Central Asia and could be Saka, Tocharians or Kushans.

    • @nsdtgabe4082
      @nsdtgabe4082 4 роки тому +2

      @@FirstLast-hz8ut the tocharians never invaded india ur thinking of the turks

    • @FirstLast-hz8ut
      @FirstLast-hz8ut 4 роки тому +5

      @@nsdtgabe4082 Nope. The Kushans were Iranian Tocharians.

  • @cryforthemoon
    @cryforthemoon 5 років тому +70

    0:50 Loulan Beauty has some incredible eyelashes

    • @truth135
      @truth135 4 роки тому +21

      Compare her to the mongoloid burial 20 seconds later. Literally elves and orcs.

    • @nos8141
      @nos8141 3 роки тому +3

      @@truth135 one still has eyelid and Much More preserved differently...the reconstruction of xin appearance is completely normal.
      childish comment

  • @magiccarpet6230
    @magiccarpet6230 5 років тому +132

    Good info. I'm not of European ancestry but I enjoy your channel.

    • @CanMan-pd9vh
      @CanMan-pd9vh 5 років тому +32

      It's all good , I'm white and watch videos of other people like just before this one I watched a Massaman video about the Koi san of Africa.

    • @hugoguzman4985
      @hugoguzman4985 5 років тому +6

      This, I'm Hispanic, but these are some of the best history videos on UA-cam.

    • @Ravishrex1
      @Ravishrex1 5 років тому +1

      @@CanMan-pd9vh the original people of southern Africa

    • @maxlawton2754
      @maxlawton2754 5 років тому +1

      TT central and South Americans tend to have a lot of native dna; Still partly descended from Europeans though.

    • @altergreenhorn
      @altergreenhorn 5 років тому +4

      If you don't have nothing in common with Europeans you must live in Africa and none of your ancestors ever lived outside of Africa otherwise I wouldn't be so sure

  • @drraoulmclaughlin7423
    @drraoulmclaughlin7423 5 років тому +29

    Brilliant Documentary Tom. I wonder how much environmental deterioration there has been in the Tarim? The Han texts suggest a more populous region. Abandoned ancient sites near Cherchen and Loulan were buried in sand-drifts caused by increased aridity (c. AD 400).

    • @drraoulmclaughlin7423
      @drraoulmclaughlin7423 5 років тому +6

      Perhaps the ancestors of those Europoid people entered a land that was more verdant, but deteriorated over the centuries...

    • @anthropologicalminds2855
      @anthropologicalminds2855 5 років тому +1

      Probably not much but there was agriculture in the area though it was limited. If your curious, this wiki page is a good place to start. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpan_water_system

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 років тому +10

      @@drraoulmclaughlin7423 I hadn't considered that but it would explain it since the silk road didn't exist in the bronze age. On the other hand, their diets and lung disease indicate a very harsh environment

    • @CaseySmart-fz5op
      @CaseySmart-fz5op 5 років тому +2

      @@Survivethejive you might look at the analogous arcs of the Archea, Chacoan, Fremont, and Anasazi people of the American southwest. Dendrochronology shows a trend in regional climate change that is well represented by the immigration, civilization, and eventual collapse of cultures all through the area. Some recent research shows lung conditions having a part to play as the air quality fell.
      I have a completely unresearchable theory that they may have been effected by Valley Fever, a fungal problem that modern urbanization in arid deserts has catalyzed.

    • @freya6766
      @freya6766 5 років тому

      I was thinking the same thing.

  • @paradigmarson9586
    @paradigmarson9586 5 років тому +15

    Tom's voice re-enchants the world with the spirit of ethnos.

  • @PatheticHero
    @PatheticHero 4 роки тому +25

    I read about this in Archeology Magazine back in about 1996? The mummies were tall, caucasoid and blond or red haired. As I recall most were found in the Takla Makan desert in western China not to far from TIen Shan, mountains in the Himalayas. I got the impression they found tartan plaid-like wool clothes buried with the mummies.

    • @francesconappa4162
      @francesconappa4162 9 місяців тому

      The uyghurs are mixed Blood indoeuropeans and mongoloids

    • @celestialblue7229
      @celestialblue7229 5 місяців тому +1

      @@francesconappa4162 Those mummies, look Caucasoid, not at all like Mongoloid.

    • @francesconappa4162
      @francesconappa4162 5 місяців тому

      @@celestialblue7229 the mummies Is from thousands Years ago but today are mixed race with asiatic people Sorry for my english

  • @namenameson9065
    @namenameson9065 4 роки тому +25

    So good to see a real history program for once. The other day I saw a BBC production that had a crude sketch of a 4000 year old hairy ape-man weilding a bow. I wonder WHO allowed that to happen?

    • @maxinewarnest894
      @maxinewarnest894 3 роки тому +1

      The English? They often like to deny that they are Germanic Celts mixed with a dash of Roman blood.

  • @BarleyFields
    @BarleyFields 5 років тому +21

    Wu Lad, fantastic stuff as ever STJ!

  • @northumbriabushcraft1208
    @northumbriabushcraft1208 Рік тому +2

    I learned a lot from this video, thank you.
    I'd heard of the tocharians before and the kushan empire, but knew little to nothing avout them and didnt know they wrre Indo-Aryan/Indo-European
    Ive commented this on a few of your videos, but im very happy to have discovered your channel

  • @therationalcollection2999
    @therationalcollection2999 5 років тому +6

    Dude. Professional reporting. You are a great youtuber and i have noticed your development as a researcher/video maker. I would bother doing what you do.. but you do such a good job why would i bother! Much love ❤❤

  • @francoisleung9330
    @francoisleung9330 3 роки тому +9

    Great video, there are still Caucasians in China, some with blond hair and blue eyes, few people are skeptical when i talk about it, with migrations over thousands of years everything is possible. About 30 years ago i read a book: "Dans la peau d'un Chinois", wrote by a French man who entered China in the early 80's, he was a languages graduate and spoke Chinese. His fake papers identified him as one one of the white minorities, he visited many parts of China, worked and married a Chinese woman. If i remember well, he spent about 10 years in China before returning to France with his wife. Asians migrated to America during prehistoric times, Polynesians migrated to islands in the pacific, Madagascar was first inhabited by people from South East Asia, they are known as Merinas, their language is similar to Indonesian. It's really fascinating how far ancient people traveled without modern transportation, they kept moving to survive and settle where it's suitable to live.

  • @zektre2059
    @zektre2059 3 роки тому +5

    I'm so happy I found this channel. Makes absolute sense.

  • @bretthines1020
    @bretthines1020 2 роки тому +3

    Everything I’ve seen of yours is thoroughly researched and informative. The Production is Top Shelf and entertaining. Great channel for History

  • @vallgron
    @vallgron 5 років тому +179

    When I was visiting Japan this African American guy shouted at me and my girlfriend "Heyyyy white people yall get everywhere" guess he was right

    • @luisromanlegionaire
      @luisromanlegionaire 5 років тому +33

      He didnt do to bad himself lol

    • @anonrandom7765
      @anonrandom7765 5 років тому +63

      Well, we've also been to the moon. Russians, Germans, and Americans, all people of White European stock are the progenitors of human space flight.

    • @vallgron
      @vallgron 5 років тому +4

      @@des4719 I did shout back says the American

    • @doggk
      @doggk 5 років тому +2

      @@anonrandom7765 WITH PLUNDERED ASIAN, AMERICAN (the real America not Babylone😉), AFRICAN MONEY, BLOOD AND RECOURCES you still got as heritage of your ancestors, Isn't that so ? 😘

    • @doggk
      @doggk 5 років тому +9

      @@graiant Pure Nonsense bro.. The truth isn't in your white history books.. Never asked yourself what history would look like if every race on earth would have been allowed to write their version of history and be considerated as equal with white history ? 😒
      Black people went to India.. They went to Australia... They even went to Europe before everyone else.. In that time no one lived in Europe because it was too cold there and unstable.. And lol the name Europe comes from An African Queen who saved the rest of what was left of whites after the Black vs white africans war killed 95% of whites.. That queen that ordered to stop the massacre and made the rest of the white prisoners.. She was known to be humble, so she saved the rest of these whites by casting them out of Africa to the Mountains of Caucasia as punishment and last chance for them to make it better.. Where whites spreaded themselves and stopped indentifying themselves as Africans and called themselves white Caucasians, they later spreaded themselves in West-, East- Europe and Eurasia.. And gave the name "Europa" to their continent in tribute of that black African Queen who saved them from a Total extinction..
      That Greek mythology version of Queen Europa is pure bullshit invented by whites to erase the true story.. Out of shame that Black people in fact are their true closest brothers and that the queen was black.. Africa has another name for Africans or other races.. But because whites dominated the world, they wrote the history based on their image and their words.. They gave their names to continents.. etc.etc.. without asking the opinion of anybody..

  • @akcorbel
    @akcorbel 5 років тому +84

    7:50 6 fingers and 6 toes is really interesting because Goliath from the Old Testament is said to also have the same features.

    • @CourtesyPhone
      @CourtesyPhone 5 років тому +19

      Not just that but this type of legend is found universally around the world

    • @akcorbel
      @akcorbel 5 років тому +4

      Define Divine hmmm very interesting I’ll have to do some more research on this!

    • @stellarjayatkins4749
      @stellarjayatkins4749 5 років тому +24

      I have a niece who was born with 12 fingers and 12 toes. (6 on each hand and foot) This is the first time I’ve heard historical reference to it, and I’m intrigued.

    • @jeffebdy
      @jeffebdy 5 років тому +17

      Several "giant" skeletons found in burial mounds mostly in the Ohio River valley in the USA (6-9 foot on average) were red haired, had 6 fingers and toes & some with double rows of teeth. Most were discovered in the late 1880's & apparently the Smithsonian has the skeletons

    • @bintamirfreeland4159
      @bintamirfreeland4159 5 років тому +3

      Thought I was the only one thinking Philistines or Phoenicians

  • @octopusknight3248
    @octopusknight3248 5 років тому +242

    We waz Changs.

    • @dantesguide9574
      @dantesguide9574 4 роки тому +17

      😆

    • @gronizherz3603
      @gronizherz3603 4 роки тому +6

      What would be the title of an emperor or a king in those places? Necessary information for meme purposes!
      (Shah? Khan? Huangdi?)

    • @scumbagjesus999
      @scumbagjesus999 4 роки тому +2

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @mrsoshadabaadman
      @mrsoshadabaadman 4 роки тому +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @gronizherz3603
      @gronizherz3603 4 роки тому

      @Loki III I meant in that language specifically. For instance "king" isn't "king" in every language.

  • @olgierdogden3893
    @olgierdogden3893 4 роки тому +2

    Finally, a thinking person’s video. Thankyou very much. I think next time I’ll prepare myself for a normal and not a short lived attention span video.

  • @ellen4956
    @ellen4956 3 роки тому +36

    I started studying everything I could find about these Tarim Basin mummies in the 90s, and still follow what I can find about them. It was not all desert then, but woodland around the edges where the rivers were and the area of the cemetery with small boats was in a wooded area. I have notes somewhere (I will find them) about the place-names and how those resembled words from Old Danish. There was a word for a river there that was the same name for a river in Denmark or Sweden (can't remember) and a word for hat, that was also used to mean roof that was similar. They came there with carts and horses. Over the years a lot of the original old research was "lost" by the Chinese government. and some of the textiles and mummies are also gone now. There was one buried with stacks of felt hats in various colors. There was a baby with a vivid blue felt hat. There were plaid garments. It's difficult to even find pictures of those now.

    • @عابرسبيلالجزائري
      @عابرسبيلالجزائري Рік тому +1

      I do not think that they are Europeans, but I almost think that they are the ancestors of the Tajik people, the Iranians and the Afghan Pashtuns

    • @EchoLog
      @EchoLog Рік тому +1

      I could be seeing patterns where there aren't any but; there's a Finnish word with a T, an R, and either a K or H in that order.. I wish I was further along in my Finnish studies to remember it.
      But it means to endure cold weather, or to be capable to be comfortable in the cold.
      Turks, Tocharians, this Uralic word...
      The Eurasian steppe....
      ... anyway

    • @GregCorrin
      @GregCorrin Рік тому

      All of those peoples are Indo-Europeans are they not?@@عابرسبيلالجزائري

    • @presidentmorsi4677
      @presidentmorsi4677 Рік тому

      did you ever find those notes?

    • @celestialblue7229
      @celestialblue7229 5 місяців тому

      @@عابرسبيلالجزائري They definitely look Celtic to me.

  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive  5 років тому +295

    Contents:
    PS: The Tocharian artwork is available on T-shirts and hoodies in the StJ store teespring.com/tocharian-solar-wheels

    • @DudeGuy999
      @DudeGuy999 5 років тому +18

      My mind is blown once again, very good video 👍

    • @buteos8632
      @buteos8632 5 років тому

      bruh momentum hehe dito

    • @buteos8632
      @buteos8632 5 років тому +1

      as a ver thankful and very proud subscriber I was a little heart broken seeing my sweat Lusitânia cuted off screen, but i raised myself and i had a hell of a time! thanks bro 😉

    • @seankessel3867
      @seankessel3867 5 років тому +9

      Great video man, your production skills are getting really really strong

    • @theRhinsRanger
      @theRhinsRanger 5 років тому

      Phenomenal video and I have some questions for you about this and also I have an interesting lead for you regarding the mummies should you wish to research it further. I will try to get in contact with you to pass it on.

  • @shuhewa
    @shuhewa 4 роки тому +79

    One thing to add, there are a few loan words in Chinese that are from Tocharian.
    China does not recognize that these mummies are completely rumours. They have been exhibited in some big cities in China and appeared in Western documentaries in the last century. The Tocharians are closely related to the ancient Chinese rule in the Western Regions, the two sides have a lot of political, economic and cultural exchanges.

    • @hwasiaqhan8923
      @hwasiaqhan8923 3 роки тому +12

      Yes, and there are more Chinese loan words in tocharian.

    • @shuhewa
      @shuhewa 3 роки тому +7

      @@hwasiaqhan8923 我靠,这还能看到自己人,印欧人研究还挺有意思,可惜咱们国内没有一个这样科普汉藏人研究的,还挺有兴趣的,但是这行感觉门槛不低。

    • @hwasiaqhan8923
      @hwasiaqhan8923 3 роки тому +3

      @@shuhewa 因为中华民族不喜欢提太多关于汉族的事

    • @shuhewa
      @shuhewa 3 роки тому +3

      @@hwasiaqhan8923 不会的,汉藏人包含了大量的民族

    • @hwasiaqhan8923
      @hwasiaqhan8923 3 роки тому +5

      @@shuhewa 每个民族都包含着大量的民族,党怕提汉族会唤醒汉族民族主义意识,所以建国以来拼命打压,现在基本上没几个汉人认同自己是汉族

  • @adamakaru2683
    @adamakaru2683 2 роки тому

    I can never had enough of it!. It's look like I will be siting next to your channel for days now thank you big time.

  • @cjwright6165
    @cjwright6165 5 років тому +5

    Glad to see your channel growing.

  • @Spitamenes007
    @Spitamenes007 4 роки тому +41

    They are my ancestors !!! I am Tajik . An ethnic eastern Iranic group that has been living in the region for over 3,000 years . The ancestors of the Tajiks are the sogdians, bactrians and khawarezmians . There is historical records from the Greeks , Indians , Persians and even the Chinese themselves of Caucasian sogdians living in that region . I think we are the only indigenous cauacasian people living in China

    • @Incubus1161
      @Incubus1161 4 роки тому +3

      It's not like all tajiks are just an indigenous group in China. There's literally a tajik country called Tajikistan.

    • @pjshr5313
      @pjshr5313 4 роки тому +4

      @@Incubus1161 they are indigenous ok China, their kingdom was Khotan (in tarim basin)

    • @wolsky25
      @wolsky25 4 роки тому +1

      Stop lying, Tocharian belongs to the western branch of Indo-European languages

    • @matztz_4560
      @matztz_4560 10 місяців тому

      ​@@wolsky25 he said he descend from the sogdians not from the tocharians

    • @Thorsssssss
      @Thorsssssss 6 місяців тому +2

      We wuzZ tocharian and sheitt

  • @rullangaar
    @rullangaar 5 років тому +178

    Test their DNA and settle the issue once and for all.

    • @graiant
      @graiant 5 років тому +27

      They only tested the Y DNA and got the haplotype and its clade. We need their full autosomal.

    • @Chelsea-wd4ec
      @Chelsea-wd4ec 5 років тому +43

      Apparently they're close to Russians and Ukrainians although i'm not 100% sure. If I can find the source again I'll link it below.

    • @jiayouchinese
      @jiayouchinese 5 років тому +4

      Probably Y-DNA R and Q just like the Cimmerians.

    • @laertesindeed
      @laertesindeed 5 років тому +34

      @Rullan You don't have to test dna…. we're fully aware of the tocharians and have been since the 1800s because their archaeological culture was known and used to formulate the Indo-European Language migration theory which is so far the best supported theory in linguistics. They had an empire in that part of asia for a brief few centuries while they kept the Xiongnyu on their eastern borders contained. Then after a while, the Xiongnyu were being pressured from their east...so they pushed westward and mixed with and/or replaced the tocharians. The leftover mixed group became the Huns which roamed around for a while until their later and well known push into Europe in classical periods.

    • @kingjames7273
      @kingjames7273 5 років тому +44

      They did and found white Caucasian and Asian share dna when they found the whites buried in Mass graves in South Africa but you won't hear about it.they are destroying it all

  • @ashwinrawat9622
    @ashwinrawat9622 4 роки тому +13

    The Tocharian manuscript (as shown in video) shares so many similar features with my native manuscript, devnagri. I can identify some matras and some consonants, and even some sandhis.

    • @suhelmallick
      @suhelmallick 10 місяців тому

      no wonder hindus sadhus and yogis talk about gyanganj in that region. even shankaracharya went there to study

    • @ashwinrawat9622
      @ashwinrawat9622 10 місяців тому

      @@suhelmallickthoda ulta ho gya, chinese used to come here to study. even your arab masters used to come here to study before they started following the evil cult of an evil man.

  • @vivianfire
    @vivianfire 5 років тому +4

    what a great video!
    thank you for all the work you put into these :)

  • @josephjude1290
    @josephjude1290 5 років тому +4

    Nice to see these documentaries again. Truly enjoyed it

  • @Metetron
    @Metetron 5 років тому +25

    This was the most educational video I've seen in a very long time.

  • @logancaine9616
    @logancaine9616 3 роки тому +1

    Probably looking at my Great x10 Grandparents. Loving the content man, I highly doubt I'd be able to see something like this on any other Channel.

  • @thepeter3116
    @thepeter3116 5 років тому +33

    This is your best video. 10/10

  • @Surtur99
    @Surtur99 5 років тому +144

    14:39 Damnit lads...
    He got us again

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 років тому +70

      Bloomin' gnomed ya again ya gnobheads

    • @Surtur99
      @Surtur99 5 років тому +27

      @@Survivethejive *Is evaporated from existance by the pure humiliation*

  • @davidnoir188
    @davidnoir188 5 років тому +194

    'Deep set eyes, lots of facial hair and are good with money'..... uh oh

    • @ozy_man_dias
      @ozy_man_dias 5 років тому +75

      kek

    • @frankishempire2322
      @frankishempire2322 5 років тому +70

      rubbing hands intensifies

    • @davidnoir188
      @davidnoir188 5 років тому +5

      @Timemaster f 'girl'

    • @jedramyst5613
      @jedramyst5613 5 років тому +5

      @@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Stop cringing on my white mummy video

    • @jasonbennett3033
      @jasonbennett3033 5 років тому +5

      I was thinking that too. Lolz. But, there were no Hasidic curls and our boys were wearing tartan plaid. I know who they were. The narrator said that just to stir up controversy.

  • @yanghu6907
    @yanghu6907 4 роки тому +6

    Amazingly informative video, totally enjoyed your channel, and massive thanks for the effort!
    One detail I’d like to point out is that you seemed to imply that the genocide committed by Han Chinese on Indo-Europeans occurred in western China, sorry if I misinterpreted. However, the incident mentioned in 7:51 of this video did not take place anywhere near the Tarim Basin, but thousands of miles away, in the city of Ye (邺) in central China (modern Handan, Hebei Province), in 349AD, please see that same reference you cited (i.e. Book of Jin). It is also uncertain if the people being massacred (the Jie 羯) were Indo-European, as they were variously identified either as Turkic, Sino-Tibetan, Indo-European (Lesser Yuezhi), or most recently as Yeniseian (Vovin et al 2016), who had settled and established a kingdom in the heartland of China. That genocide was direct retaliation by the Han Chinese against decades of brutal occupation and conquest by the Jie. Though I agree, it is likely that some Indo-Europeans migrants were also caught up in that massacre by virtue of having similar physical features (e.g. high nose, more facial hair). Hope this helps, thanks again for the video!
    Vovin et al. "Who were the *Kjet" (羯) and what language did they speak?" Journal Asiatique 304.1 (2016): 125-144. p. 126-127

  • @Sandwich13455
    @Sandwich13455 5 років тому +10

    Absolutely intriguing and fascinating stuff old boy!

  • @FortressofLugh
    @FortressofLugh 5 років тому +5

    Great in-depth look

  • @jewelcitizen2567
    @jewelcitizen2567 5 років тому +13

    Happy _Wassailing_
    Excellent upload

  • @chopsandarchie7015
    @chopsandarchie7015 Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @A_Koenig
    @A_Koenig 5 років тому +54

    From now on I'll wear my trousers with VIE pride.

  • @weiweiliu8416
    @weiweiliu8416 3 роки тому +5

    Thanks for this very informative video. I visited the museum in Urumqi where some of these mummies exhibited, it is interesting to learn the stories behind the exhibition through your video. Thank you!

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  3 роки тому +2

      Wow you are lucky!

    • @lanleening
      @lanleening 3 роки тому +2

      @@Survivethejive Google Tajiks of Xinjiang!
      These indo european people still exist today in xinjiang!
      Tajiks of xinjiang are the direct descendants of east iranic saka people who live in the remote closed Pamiri mountains that's why they managed to survive until today meanwhile their cousins living on the flat oasis of tarim bisin were conquered and replaced by turkic uyghur population!
      -----------youtube videos about tajiks of xinjiang--------
      ua-cam.com/video/bj_Ir6ZOlmA/v-deo.html
      ua-cam.com/video/iAQpdNEWpng/v-deo.html
      ua-cam.com/video/tLz1vueVxaI/v-deo.html
      ua-cam.com/video/jWV3ZZAClcQ/v-deo.html

  • @moesypittounikos
    @moesypittounikos 4 роки тому +90

    Imagine putting on a 3000 year old pair of trousers!

    • @TheMeloettaful
      @TheMeloettaful 4 роки тому +5

      I imagine those trousers would almost immediately disintegrate into tiny tatters in seconds lol 😂!

    • @peternagy6067
      @peternagy6067 4 роки тому +1

      They are selling the same design on the internet

  • @refillingthecup6750
    @refillingthecup6750 5 років тому +9

    This video was really interesting! Thanks for sharing! 👍🏼❤️

  • @kristofwynants
    @kristofwynants 5 років тому +4

    Wow! It never ceases to amaze me how complex human taxonomy really is... Great documentary, thanks!

  • @mtosta2861
    @mtosta2861 5 років тому +118

    Whenever I tell people that the so called “Middle East”, North Africa and North East Asia are all Aryan homelands, I’m either dismissed as a nut or labeled racist. Can’t even use the word Aryan (the “A” word?) without triggering people...

    • @VitorEmanuelOliver
      @VitorEmanuelOliver 5 років тому +16

      m tosta except they’re not

    • @mtosta2861
      @mtosta2861 5 років тому +8

      Victor, Please elaborate your dispute of the genetic/archeological evidence of Aryans not originating from the Middle East and spreading out...

    • @mtosta2861
      @mtosta2861 5 років тому +14

      Eric, I sort of get why some Indians do this- I suppose as a form of nationalism &/or Anti British sentiments, etc. Be that as it may, Vedic culture is Aryan, and plenty of Aryan DNA has spread through India. They are part indo-European wether they like it or not...

    • @mtosta2861
      @mtosta2861 5 років тому +3

      Amanda C. They are certainly a mix of Aryan, African and south Asian. (Island chain I believe) That ratio differs of course, in different parts of India. One is most likely to see many more blue eyed &/or red haired Indians in the north, as per migration of ancient populations, etc.
      BTW, “Dravidian” just means, “people of the coast” (“dravata” I believe) they also have at least some Aryan ancestry, and is not the “pure Indian” some portray it to be as some sort of dichotomy thing. IOW, one can be “pro-India- without resorting to some anti-Aryan slant, that in reality, is part of who they are genetically and culturally...

    • @sakogekchyan7366
      @sakogekchyan7366 5 років тому +14

      m tosta
      Yes those parts of the Middle East such as Iran, Afghanistan and even Anatolia with the Hittites and of coarse us Armenians. Perhaps there are a few areas I’m missing. But the ancient Middle East was predominantly made up of Semitic speaking peoples.

  • @Sarke2
    @Sarke2 5 років тому +59

    I was always amazed by Tarim mummies and this region of the world, i think it is crucial to understand our migrations and our ancient heritage, i think Chinese culture is a lot influenced by this how they will call western barbarians. It is fascinating how this mummies are well preserved thanks to sand and climate. I cannot totally agree that this peoples were mostly massacred by Chinese, many other peoples passed through this region before and after the Chinese, for a long time parts of Tarim basin were administred by Chinese and still this people lived in this region. I think the final blow was by Mongol invasions and ofcourse before that the raise of Islam, Uyghur entrance into tarim basin, this peoples really had horrible destiny, but we will not foget them.

    • @anthropologicalminds2855
      @anthropologicalminds2855 5 років тому +4

      East Asian culture isn't really that influenced from Indo-Europeans directly but from other steppe peoples that they push further into the Mongolain Steppe and Manchuria.

    • @anthropologicalminds2855
      @anthropologicalminds2855 5 років тому +7

      A yes there were other Steppe peoples; proto-Turks, mongols and Tungusic peoples were among them. Go watch Jive’s video on horse domestication.

    • @hallobre
      @hallobre 5 років тому +4

      A these are the same people that invaded Egypt and brought in advanceD metallurgy. The Hyksos

    • @yuanruichen2564
      @yuanruichen2564 5 років тому +1

      @@robertmontana671 The Tajiks in China as well. They all live in uninhabitable regions, probably because they were pushed out of the oasis?

    • @阿牛哥-j3g
      @阿牛哥-j3g 2 роки тому

      如果真的有种族灭绝,那么只有伊斯兰教会搞种族灭绝,我们中华民族汉族的历史上没有莫名其妙屠杀异族的历史,我们是建立长城阻挡匈奴入侵我们家园的民族,时至今日,我们中国的民族文化依然是讲求同存异。😐

  • @claytonsmith5673
    @claytonsmith5673 5 років тому +2

    Brother I absolutely enjoyed this presentation. The explanation of origins thru DNA was spot on. Well done. Think I'll make a feature film based on this history...just plain fascinating.

  • @madtrapper1312
    @madtrapper1312 4 роки тому +7

    Central Asia has such a interesting history and a mysterious one and it is so interesting and should be explored more there is so much more history to find

  • @RemoveChink
    @RemoveChink 5 років тому +10

    Fascinating stuff, as a Mongolian I am learning a lot about how my people and related groups are somewhat new to western Asia. However in the comments i see a lot of people going into conspiracy theories about how this history is covered up somehow. Can’t really cover up what hasn’t been discovered yet no? Modern historical analysis is rather new, as opposed to the unscientific and ideological research in the past.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 років тому +9

      I think the chinese government restricted access to the mummies in the nineties

    • @loredragon7473
      @loredragon7473 4 роки тому

      @@SurvivethejiveIt's true!

    • @TARIM-TUMAN
      @TARIM-TUMAN Рік тому

      ​@Survivetдаhejive да китайозы все время трубят что ,,западный край" исконно китайский, они шовинисты √1

  • @scotverdin9401
    @scotverdin9401 5 років тому +7

    I first read about this in National Geographic, years ago. Then about 5 years ago I was in Santa Ana Ca and went to the museum and they had an expansive exhibit with these items, mummies and all! I think it was The Silk Road. Totally fascinating. Humans got around the world long , long ago.

  • @esotericbrain2689
    @esotericbrain2689 3 роки тому +37

    I love my European heritage, culture, and genetics

    • @hazeeqrazak
      @hazeeqrazak 3 роки тому +3

      I only had 2 ethnic descent😢😢😔

    • @jxelus1274
      @jxelus1274 3 роки тому

      tocharian women love Han men.

    • @jxelus1274
      @jxelus1274 3 роки тому

      @@sicsempertyrannis3782 tocharian only 0.5M Popultion.

    • @jxelus1274
      @jxelus1274 3 роки тому

      @@sicsempertyrannis3782 many Chinese soldier marry tocharian beauty in Xinjiang.

    • @esotericbrain2689
      @esotericbrain2689 3 роки тому

      @@HBKnowItAll lmfao watch the video again dummy

  • @angelahudson1568
    @angelahudson1568 5 років тому +4

    Glad to have stumbled upon your channel 2day(sunday). My Sundays are set aside as my day of "Church". My day of catch'n up on YT and filling up on the week's left-overs knowledge of our many hidden/lost histories of civilizations, megalithic architecture, religions, sciences of all sorts, on/off planet, etc... Then i share all i learn with anyone willing to let me yap🎓😊✌ thanks for aiding in my quest. Look'n forward to dive'n into your channel further

  • @vanrensburgsgesicht
    @vanrensburgsgesicht 4 роки тому +16

    So, if the Tarim Mummies have had a specific European branch of R1a but also were red-haired, doesn't that mean that they at least mixed with R1b people? Because the origin of red hair is normally associated with R1b?

    • @samschlossberg476
      @samschlossberg476 3 роки тому +1

      Oldest red hair genes are found 70000 50000 years ago in anatolia caucasus zagros and 30000 from europe there was no haplogroup r1b at this time. the gene for red hair comes from hoplogroup IJ not r1b but r1b spread it around europe after sexual selection

    • @samschlossberg476
      @samschlossberg476 3 роки тому +1

      @Мастурбек Кумысович so why most russians poles have brown light brown hair and not golden hair. sWEDES danish northenr germans with haplogroup i1 have golden hair not russians

    • @samschlossberg476
      @samschlossberg476 3 роки тому +1

      @Мастурбек Кумысович no r1 come from deep asian south eastern then from siberia to europe

    • @samschlossberg476
      @samschlossberg476 3 роки тому

      @Мастурбек Кумысович haplogrouo rbrother haplogorup is Q which native american siberian. Your russians are closee to filipino than to blonde swedish haplogroup i1 or chechens j2

    • @samschlossberg476
      @samschlossberg476 3 роки тому

      @Мастурбек Кумысович You have very low IQ DUDE you have to just google haplogroup r and look at haplogorup tree

  • @TarebossT
    @TarebossT 5 років тому +71

    God...! This is so Indo-European that instantly I grew a red beard

    • @viracocha6093
      @viracocha6093 5 років тому +7

      Wouldn’t it be blonde? Or are both ginger and blonde beards ok

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT 5 років тому +5

      @@viracocha6093 They are very ok... And very Indo-European

    • @shaneweaver7936
      @shaneweaver7936 5 років тому

      @JessikaEmerald So does my wife and half way down her back is the shortest ill allow it lol used to be at her butt, but a couple pregnancies made that too much work.

    • @RandomGuy-df1oy
      @RandomGuy-df1oy 5 років тому

      Well, usually lighter the hair becomes, beard becomes lesser.

    • @Chelsea-wd4ec
      @Chelsea-wd4ec 5 років тому +3

      Nope early Kurgans apparently had a high frequency of blonde hair and green eyes.

  • @rudynathan8852
    @rudynathan8852 Рік тому +2

    These are so well preserved. They tell a story from a time long gone. I am partly uyhgur so this is very interesting

  • @Drewcappelletti
    @Drewcappelletti 2 роки тому +3

    So well done and extremely interesting!

  • @kakibackup2koujo612
    @kakibackup2koujo612 5 років тому +4

    I know that you have already done a video on the ANE, but it would interesting to see one that cover the populations that picked up the compontent, around the world, like Native Americans, Europeans, many South and central asians and even some some genetic traces, among middle eastern and East asians, albeit very low, especially for the latter. Most people outside of population genetics and especially Ancient genomes, don’t seem to know much about it. So yeah, I think it would be a great topic for you, to make a detailed video on, based on the genetic research that has been done so far.

  • @enzoc.3501
    @enzoc.3501 4 роки тому +12

    Now that's a proper history class, imagine if we had this kind of knowledge being spread in schools...

  • @occidentadvocate.9759
    @occidentadvocate.9759 3 роки тому +17

    10 year ago i heard a White man in my Gym talking to a Pakistani youth in his language? Week later i got talking to the man. He told me he was from Afghanistan. He was a tall well built fellow. European looking and he had blue eyes. I was amazed.

    • @rener44
      @rener44 7 місяців тому

      Many Russians stayed in Afghanistan after the war. Mixed in with the afghans

  • @einar6229
    @einar6229 5 років тому +4

    Absolutely marvellous video... clearly a tartan patern there, fellow Barbaroi.

  • @refillingthecup6750
    @refillingthecup6750 5 років тому +3

    The amount of research and information in this video is outstanding!

  • @MagusMagnus
    @MagusMagnus 5 років тому +48

    So sad to see how indo-Iranians were extincted in central Asia!
    western branch (Europeans) survived due to not having natural enemies in Europe like Asiatic or Semitic people!

    • @Chelsea-wd4ec
      @Chelsea-wd4ec 5 років тому +10

      While the the original indo iranians don't exist anymore but they live on (culturally and somewhat genetically) amongst north indians, dardic peoples and of course the pamiri tajiks.

    • @Chelsea-wd4ec
      @Chelsea-wd4ec 5 років тому +1

      and them as well :)

    • @bakaheibaka
      @bakaheibaka 5 років тому +5

      Modern iranians are just assimilated semites. Most of your haplogroup is J and not r1a

    • @C.A.P.9
      @C.A.P.9 5 років тому +2

      My girlfriend is Persian. And they look like Europeans and are white. Many persians don't believe they're persians because they are so called to white.

    • @ColombianoSuperior
      @ColombianoSuperior 5 років тому +4

      Charles Alexander Plat There is an ambiguous definition of “white”. Technically, Persians are caucasians as well. 🤔

  • @princet1492
    @princet1492 4 роки тому +43

    Oh that’s so cool I didn’t even know that Caucasian people ever lived in china. It kinda makes since because some the the people in the Xi something province have European features.
    Thank you so much for making this video I’ll be sure to subscribe,

    • @herondesign4507
      @herondesign4507 4 роки тому +16

      There are 56 ethnic groups in China, and several ethnic groups are currently white.

    • @princet1492
      @princet1492 4 роки тому +1

      PENGLEI QIN Ok nice to know.

    • @loredragon7473
      @loredragon7473 4 роки тому +3

      Actually not only xin Jiang ,but in the whole China.

    • @manog8713
      @manog8713 4 роки тому +2

      Do you know where the caucasian people live mr?

    • @mechannel7046
      @mechannel7046 4 роки тому +5

      @@manog8713 Northeastern and northwestern China

  • @casper-z9rkls6gl
    @casper-z9rkls6gl 3 роки тому +6

    The main theme of all these articles, books, reports, videos is the shocking revelation of White mummies with red, brown, blond hair and Caucasoid features were found in China. But China is a big country, and looking at a map of Asia, northwestern China (Xinjiang) is actually geographically and culturally part of Central Asia, sharking borders with Tajikistan, northern Pakistan and Afghanistan where it's common, or at least not uncommon, to find people with light colored eyes and hair.

  • @lmonk9517
    @lmonk9517 5 років тому +5

    great video. best I've seen on the topic.

  • @BenSHammonds
    @BenSHammonds Рік тому

    is the best program on this subject I have enjoyed so far

  • @Yog-Sothothery
    @Yog-Sothothery 5 років тому +38

    I find it incredibly interesting to learn about Indo-European peoples having at one time practiced buddhism, in this case the Tocharians. It's an Eastern religion, yet these little anomalies are still very intriguing, especially considering Evolas work on the subject. Would you consider exploring this area more mr jive? E.g. the indo greeks. Incredible work as always.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 років тому +65

      Buddhism is Indo-European. Buddha was a high caste Aryan Indian

    • @Yog-Sothothery
      @Yog-Sothothery 5 років тому +2

      @@Survivethejive I should have further extrapolated when I said it's an Eastern religion. What I meant to say, is that its been largely adopted and disseminated in the East, as opposed to among Indo-European peoples in the West. This makes groups like the Indo-Greeks and the Tocharians an interesting rarity. Perhaps an area for further exploration?

    • @topg2820
      @topg2820 4 роки тому +4

      @Eric W. skin is not the only identifier for race

    • @topg2820
      @topg2820 4 роки тому +1

      @Eric W. Buddhism is atheistic (Nāstik to be precise) sect of Hinduism tho

    • @18890426
      @18890426 3 роки тому +6

      Buddha himself was never "white"