SHIMANO Vanford : How To Replace The Bushings With Bearings ( And Should You Do It )
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Who gave You these advices Ivan? :-))) why You did not mention my name on the movie? :-(
Credit to Seba Seba for providing the advice for the shim behind the bearing!
Seba, i can send you the full video! : ) I did give you credit and talked about it, but the original video was 27 minutes and i had to cut a lot of things to get it under 20 mins. People just don't want to click on videos over 20 minutes. I came here to leave that comment but you already found it. I am working all day today and could not post until now.
at least this means you are subscriber. I have never seen comments from you before, so in the video i said you are not even a subscriber : )
Easy Mate, You dont need to bother Yourself. I will comment more often in future :-)
Great advice! I usually replace my bearings with Boca but I'm glad I really don't have to. The Vanford 2500 reel that I have works great - and balances perfectly- on my Point Blank 6'9" MLXF spinning rod.
very enjoyable ivan . you hit all the points. in my personal experience with spinners most feel great when i rotate the handle in the store. it's when i hit the surf with the thing and start retrieving lures with a little resistance behind them, either in weight or lure shape that i know i bought a dud or a refined machine. i've had the best experience with the two big japanese [ originated ] brands.
Thanks for reply sounds like you are ahead of the curve again. Back in the 1970's I got my first good reel a Zebco Cardinal 4 made by Abu. Now it is retired in collection as well as a Mitchell 308. I know why some spinning reels are called coffee grinders . I used the 308 lots and has alot of saltwater. fishing for small Coho Salmon. The Daiwa Sweepfire witch is about 10yrs. old as it has a metal body blows the cardinal out of the water. My new Sweepfire 5000 has a plastic bushing on the right handle side there is a lot of play so that's do for a upgrade. Esthecly it looks like a saltaga and I'm just winching in 3 to 5 lb ish cod so fast they fly out of the water towards me when they break the surface. Great for a Saturday fish fry. If I want sport I go trout fishing were most fly anglers are basically jigging little chronomide flys. They would actually do better drop shotting the chronomide. I literally fish circles around them on the turn It looks like they scare the big ones away as I troll a long line just of bottom looking for a lone whopper who trave by them selfs mostly. That's not my fly in the picture but it would do. Marabou feather is the key as it moves and looks alive. I hook the big ones in the tongue which means they were totally fooled. The big ones tongues are knarelled up from being hooked many times. Anyways I can't wait till spring and go catch some red ear sunfish on my new ultralight outfit. Some get good size and fight well on the fly rod. A local Lake is home to the biggest ones I've seen . We don't have Crappie so they will have to do. Keep up the great video's
Vanford made me love spinning reels again😁👍
After some serious thinking, review seeing on UA-cam and price comparisons I ended up buying a 2000 vanford and a 2000 ballistic for my Carabus extreme rod. Caldia can only be bought in old versions so that recommendation I couldn’t follow. I am getting the reels sent from Germany to Denmark at what calculated in us prices (Denmark has 25% vat on top of us prizes) is around 135 US $ a reel. The prices were lower than the new ultegra here. Now I have to get the, in a weeks time and compare them to my 21 fuegos as well. Can’t wait…. Christmas is coming early this year! Ho ho hoooo
Great and honest review..good job brother..from this review im think not replace my venford to the ball bearing
Great thanks for the video and especially your opinion on upgrade or not.
Ivan, what a great video mate, I was thinking of upgrading my still brand new Saros FA 2500 worm shaft bushing to a ball bearing but have changed my mind after hearing your honest opinion 👍
every reel feels a little different out of the box, even reels from the same model. If your reel feels good out of the box, definitely don't tinker with it, because sometimes it can actually feel worse after u put bearings, expecially if u put cheap bearings
@@ifishcatfish thanks Ivan for your honest advice, my reel feels very nice out of the box, but will add a couple of drops of shimano oil through the maintenance port because it’s been sitting in its box brand new for 8 years!
Thanks for showing us the bearing sizes. May try on my Stradic FL. Winter in north east is time for reel/rod and lure maintenance!
Same here!!
I did my FL together with Carbontex washer. It's totally worth doing and easy. Now have a 12 bearing Stradic. Also replaced handle with Gomex.
Again I love your honesty, just ordered the 2500S. Thank you 🙏
Good choice!
I bought 10 bearings each in the 5 sizes needed to convert the stradic Fl and Vanford from Ali at cost of about $20 in total. I swapped out 6 in the Stradic FL HG and 5 in the Vanford XG each with C3000 models and did not find any difference after either of the conversions. I did one stradic FL 1000HG with 6 bearings and again no difference. For $3/reel in bearings, I don't feel that I overspent. The worm gear front bearing and the oscillation paw bearing are 2x5x2.5mm and there is a change in spacers. I must thank you on the instructions for the rear worm gear bearing and spacer. I will have to revisit it because I don't think I put the spacer against the bearing on the outside. Thanks again
you are a braver man than me, putting Chinese bearings in your Vanford. I didn't want to put even Hedgehog bearings in mine. Especially since my reels weigh so little... adding 7-8 grams to 150 gram reel is actually a big thing
@@ifishcatfish I thought it might be a nice to have a chinese/malaysian combination when I was finished. I only fish fresh water and it is a C3000 so it wouldn't add much weight.. I took apart a chinese BB and it looked ok.I have gotten familiar with the shimano gears I can take it apart quite easily if feel any thing funny
That would be nice to have the bearing sizes in description to this video. Great job btw! Thank you.
you did see them in the video though, right? I wrote them on a paper and its hard to miss..
Thank you for your honesty
cant help it
for the main shaft bearing.
you can go with 5x8x2.5 and plastic spacer (RD22032) inside the bearing (this is what stella do).
or you can go with 4x8x3 and remove the metal washer.
or you can go with 4x8x2.5 just like the video.
either one will work as good as the other.
i like 4x8x3 the most. It is strongest and simplest. But the Stella way is best because metal to metal friction creates a rough feel sometimes. I've done this 20 times already and sometimes makes the reel feel horrible and u just have to try another bearing
You should start a series of videos called PIMP OUT MY REEL ! lol
Thnx for the video Victor always enjoyable !
There is a channel by that name. I like that guy. He is honest about it. This is not 'TUNING', its Pimping, thats what it is..
@@ifishcatfish I’m going to go look for the channel!
Pimp My Reel
Hey what's up just checked the Boca Bearing site and has listings for Daiwa Shimano Penn ect. Looks interesting. Talk soon keep up good work. I'd let you work on my reels I especially liked how you figured out the shims.
I have some boca bearings but they buy them from someone else. They don't make bearings, just resell. Look at their staff. These are only sales people. No engineers, no PhD in physics, no scientists. I prefer to buy tackle from companies who manufacture their own tackle
That saved me the hassle and money since I was thinking of doing this to my Vanford and Stradic FL 3000 size.
Now that you you mentioned it. Im now going to find a buyer to both of my reels then get the vanquish and the Twin Power if I want my reels to perform at that level
The Vanford 3000 feels good to me. Only the small Vanfords have the grinding..
You should use ceramic grease on the worm gears and any other place that needs friction mitigation.
what does the other grease do?
I actually want bushings, to keep sand out of my bearings, but great info...
Good info video Victor...but you do know somewhere there is someone who has brand new Vanford, that watched this video....and now can't get it back together correctly.....LOL.
Do not attemt if u dont k ow how to put it back together! :). Im sure they would have left a comment though..
Greetings from Athens Greece! Could you please make a video about improving (maybe replacing with ball bearing ?) a line roller that doesn't turn freely for Daiwa spinning reels? Marry Christmas and Happy new Year!
that would be different for every single reel.Just remove the screw on the back and clean it and oil it and put it back. Athens fishing is saltwater and they will seize from time to time. Just buy the same bearing if it is seized, don't try to clean bearing. If it is bushing, clean it and put it back, don't replace with bearing..
Hello Ivan, I have a very new Vanford 3000, and there is a play at the handle, how to fix it? Thank you
Hi Victor, You do a great job with your reel videos. I love your honesty and candor to declare your true feelings regarding your Reels and upgrades. Please Advise... Where do I order the "rubberized washers" you used when you replaced the brass Bushing with a Bearing in the "Main Shaft Support" You bought 2... I want to order them .Thanks for your reply. Jim
I appreciate that!
As for the rubberized washers - i don't think these make a damm difference. The 2500 uses the same bearing and same nut around the bearing, same part numbers literally, and has no rubberized washer. Why not? If you want to buy those... you can order them from platt, but they will cost you arm and a leg. You can order all of the parts that I used from there. He sells genuine Vanquish parts. But the price becomes so high that it is cheaper to just buy a vanquish. At least you get the magnesium body
Totally agree replace those bearing is kind of waste on money, and also more parts to maintenance. I’m also worry about spool bearing support which water can get in too easily. I have Kage, Tatula and Ballistic FW. The Kage LT come with spool support bearing but for the life of me I cannot tell the differences.
I think the spool support bearing can make a difference on a size 6000 reel used in saltwater. I imagine if u hook a tarpon on a spinning gear a bearing may come handy. But on a 2000 size crappie reel.... Please... Get Real
@@ifishcatfish, I target juvenile Tarpon with a 2500 size reel.
Crevalle Jack too.
I have about 400 yards of 6lb (.006 mm) braid on my reel.
So long as you use a long mono or floro leader to protect the braid from abrasion, you can catch some surprisingly large powerful fish on the lightest tackle .
Nice. Thanks 👍
I think the only bearings that are beneficial are the spool support bearings instead of the bushings. On the old certate, the 2 missing bearings from exist were the spool bearings instead of bushings. They could have designed it to have bushings though to make it saltwater compatible since those areas contact water frequently, but some ceramic bearings supporting the spool drags I feel are smoother than bushings.. thoughts?
i don't think a human can notice bearings or bushings under the spool in a blind test.
Hi excellent video I have a mt.bike with Hugi hub's marketed by DT. Sealed made in Switzerland. As with all my bikes when doing bearing smoothness test these wheels spin like a perpetual motion machine. I would imagine they are ceramic sealed. If spun they never stop as I get bored waiting for them to stop. Never seen them stop. Maybe there BOCA'S don't know for sure but bearings come in standard sizes They don't seem to expensive and should last forever and probably are close to Shimanos in price. Although Shimano stuff always works. I'd like to see what you think about Swiss beatings. A footnote the sintered bronze bushings on my 1960's Abu ambassador are extremely smooth compared to bearings but back lashes when the 2oz. Snaps off during cast sure eats a lot of line. My fault for not retying beforehand. Still it happings so I'd rather spin fish.
Where do u get Swiss bearings? I don't know anything about them, and have no apetite to test them on my reels. Japanese bearings are amazing and i trust them. If i see other people use other bearings with success, i may try. But i don't have a lot of reels and i am not interested in spending money and then tearing my reels just to put something i am unsure about. People say some of the chinese bearings on ebay are really good. Maybe. I have no apetite to test them. I want to open my reel only ONCE.
Excellent video! , what reel grease and oil , do you recommend for you reels?
I recommend only Daiwa and Shimano products. Do not mess around with funny names. At least not with these expensive ultralight reels. As for specific products, one day i will make a video about that, but as of right now i am still in test mode
Thanks for another video
I thought 'Phil will like this video'..
Have you ever tried die makers greese? It's a light lithium greese.
on small spinning reels i use nothing but daiwa and shimano grease. I haven't tried anything else. On my catfish reels i do play around with grease
Thats supper. but i don,t have the size of the bearings. ARE THE COMPABLE WIT A OTHER SHIMANO REEL\
i put the size of the bearings somewhere in the video
Great video - I just purchased a 2000s Vanford and first impressions are its a great reel, super light and smooth. I quickly noticed some looseness in the handle and upon seems when I take the handle off the long screw which goes into the reel has some play in it and is not tight which is giving me the problem. Have you seen this issue before, is it a faulty handle perhaps?
its not the handle.. the bearings have some free play. If you use tight bearings, then there is resistance when u turn. All of the vanfords are like that. When u reel u only reel forward, so there is no free play
@@ifishcatfish Ok thanks - So it's standard that this screw coming from the handle is able to wiggle slightly back and forth ~1mm when you pinch it with your finger? My Diawa reels don't have this but perhaps its a Shimano thing.
Did your CI4 1000 or Vanford 2000 roughness get better, ( less vibration ) with more use? I just got an FL 1000 and I think it's got that same roughness you were describing. Fells like a slight vibration when you turn the handle. Kind of disappointing for a reel at this price point. I'm wondering if it's the gears or a bearing that it's causing this.
no.. it only gets worse with time. I still have not confirm the source for sure, but the Vanquish and the Twinpower small sizes don't have it
It is interesting, I have used Daiwa Saltiga, Morethan, Exceller, Legalis for some time, and the feeling not differs so much. But when it comes to Shimano, I really have no idea why it is so different? between the models. Because of the oscillation system?
thats my speculation. Shimano talks a lot about their hagane gear, but the oscillation idle gears are plastic. No good.
I wondering if you can do a comparision between the vanford and the Daiwa Ballistic MQ LT 1000 size
i hate these reels that require a special tool to open. I already have one of these tools but daiwa made every reel open with a different tool and i refuse to buy them all. Also there is no novelty in this reel. Same gears, in a new body. Whats the point.
Try turning the handle until the spool is at its maximum height. Then try moving the spool side ways/laterally. Also try and move the spool up and down. Is there much movement after the bearings are installed? Thanks
no
@@ifishcatfish hmm I installed the bearings but have noticed there is noticeable movement in the spool. The worm gear shaft might be moving due to incorrect shimming. Any ideas?
maybe you had an issue before the bearings. Or you got some cheap chinese bearings that have free play in them. The first is more likely
I guess that changing those 3 bearings won't change the perception on using it since the 2 spool bearings will only work when the drag is being used, and the bearing on the worm shaft isnt that significant for such feel, unlike the 2 bearings for the main gear and the bearing for the pinion gear, which are most likely to make a difference.
The replacement for the worm shaft I guess is a good thing to do since a bushing in such place makes more friction than you might believe, I've seen a lot of relats of Shimano reels with shafts being damaged when using bushings instead of bearings, mostly worm shafts and handles
i dont believe a human can tell the difference on the drag in a blind test. People start to imagine things when u tell them u added bearings. If i just change the bushing with bearings but i don't tell you, you will never notice a damn thing
@@ifishcatfish No way someone could tell the diference using a reel with bushings or bearings, I've seen people saying that upgrading a reel with more bearings will make it become equal to another reel that is superior, but there are many other things that would be more relevant such as the tolerances and the material from several parts.
IMHO upgrading some bearings is good to avoid damage at some shafts as I stated, but it is very far from turning a Vanford equal to a Vanquish for exemple.
@@ifishcatfishUnder load you will feel an absence of friction...but not when freewheeling
@@tgrzadziel1975 will you? If i make 50 reels with bearing and 50 with bushing, and i don't tell you which is which, will u be able to tell which is which?
Dear Victor, can you please tell me the size for the bearings that have to be added to the reel, replacing the bushings? The size is 2500! Благодаря предварително!
i dont remember them, but i wrote them on a piece of paper in the video, right in the middle
what bearing do you buy from Hedgehod studio for the main shaft support?
i ordered the original vanquish bearings, but i have also used regular steel bearings there. I have even used hybrid ceramics there
If ya don't know already Arkabutla Lake North Western Mississippi. Mid to late spring 4lb orr better Crappie Bill Dances favorite Crappie Lake. Would be great to see you fish there.
4 hours from me. Far but not impossible. Are u from around there? It would help if someone can tell me what ramps to use and where to stay and stuff like that
@@ifishcatfish I have no idea. I live on Vancouver Island BC Canada. I had moved up island from Victoria area. Less fishing pressure an better lakes Got the boat in the back of the truck know. Just a 8' Walker Bay with vintage varnished oars. Minn Kota Infanantry adjustable throttle, chair wood floor carpet and rod holders. Anyways thanks for your videos as I could not get out fishing since June. I did get my 8lb. Rainbow on the 2nd of 3 days fished That's kind of my goal to get a big one in my home Lake. It has become very popular when I had it to myself mostly.still though the 3 of the last 4 years I've caught the biggest trout on the island. I went in the big trout derby by myself 2 years ago and won that. The lake was full of boats I went into the weedy chanel still unsuccessfully dodging boats caught the biggest trout$1000 prize. Anyways it's a new and I have new goals and lakes Mind you I will go back to Langford Lake during the damsel fly hatch and put on an exabition as there is so many people there now. Fastest growing city in Canada. It used to be such a personal thing but I like having some company out there. In
hi sir...you think,all the replacement bearings can be fix to shimano stradic ci4 fb or not?
I think they are the same in the old stradic, yes
My vanford 2000 definitely has the resistance you were talking about. That’s completely normal right? mine stock also has a tiny bit of roughness as well. I also notice a small “tick” in the same spot at top of rotation. Great video and very informative, please let me know if you noticed those things if you get a chance.
sounds about normal. Will improve with time. U can remove the grease but better keep it
@@ifishcatfish Thank you, so you recommend keeping it stock correct? Your channel is awesome by the way. Very informative.
@@thehappycamper2908 yeah, stock, at least first two years. U can mess with it when it gets old
@@ifishcatfish any idea why the size 2000 in specific has these issues? I have the stradic fl 2500 and it feels much smoother. Thanks for the info as always.
@@penguinyay1936 thanks for letting me know and i agree, the stradic fl is much smoother and more durable to me. Recently took my vanford out and it had no issues fishing but what you said is definitely true. Its still an awesome reel that just kinda annoys me a little.
Hello, do you know the part number for the rubberized washer at 2:52 in the video. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks.
U dont need that washer
Does anyone supply a kit with these replacement parts. Thanks
Also. Does anyone has the bearing sizes for the 4000 Vanford. Ta
I do, but they are sold out right now. Check ifishtackle.com in about two weeks
Any idea where I can find a product to replace the drag felt?
Shimano sells replacements. Ebay sells everything. U can order parts from Japan too, if your reel is expensive enough and its worth it
Nice video. I got myself a C5000XG. It came with several washers and a transparent sticker... Would you know what are they for?
the washers adjust the spool up and down, to get the line lay right. Dont know about the sticker
In the instructions it says to put that sticker on the spool after tieing the knot
What is the model of the screwdriver your using at 0:38? Do you have a link? Thanks!
amzn.to/3mm96bb
to be clear these are not specialized fishing tackle tools. I use them for my boat and my cars and everything else. They have very hard tips and don't get muzzled after a few screws.
Hi. Does the vanford 1000 reel uses the same size bearings as the 2000 ?
not 100% sure but if it has oscillation worm, then yes. But the 500 size does not have oscillation worm and is different
Hey Victor, hope everyone is good in your family. just wanted to check with you , I want to upgrade bearings for my vanford 3000mhg. especially for the worm gear rear and front sides. I cannot find the sizes. I only need two bearings and not want to spend a lot of money for 5bb kits. any advice? Thanks so much!
I will have the full set around Jun 25th. It was shipped already by sea.. The sizes are in this video, i don't remember them myself
@@ifishcatfish Thanks Victor for your swift reply!
Hello friend
I bought a Soare XR C2500S
Tell me how to order a rotor nut with a bearing for it in Japan? Maybe you know the article number?
Or maybe you can buy the bushing separately?
And what kind of pozhshipnik you tell me, I’ll look for it in my city
Thank you and have a nice day
the sizes of all bearings are in the video. Watch the video. I can't remember these sizes.. You don't need pozshipnik, just a bearing with that size
@@ifishcatfish thanks
Sir if you know the bearing size for the rotor nut bearing for 4000/5000 please let me know. Thank you for the video.
no, i don't...
Thanks for helping me to save my money by sacrificing yours😉
I have a question, do you notice the horizontal play in the handle, can that be eliminated by adding another one or two shims/washers before the main gear bearing?
Just want to make the reel feel more tighter and rigid in my vanford c2000s
The horizontal play is not a problem because it doesn't happen when u turn the handle. There is some play up and down, but there is nothing you can do for that one.
Also, beware that adding shims always risks adding resistance. I think Shimano on purpose prefers not to make the handle perfectly tight.
Also, on the Vanford there is no easy way to add that shim. You have to remove the rotor and its a lot of work, just to remove free play that does not occur during retrieval, and probably add resistance in the way
@@ifishcatfish I'm quite used doing maintenance on shimano reels so disassembling and reassembling it take less than 5 min for me unlike daiwa reels which could be a headache sometimes.
@@ifishcatfish BTW do you realize that there are no shims on the main gear itself, it had this cone structure instead of shims on the main gear. They placed the shims before the bearing which is first time for me. Is this happen quite often in higher end reels?
I just saw this this year. Dont know what this does. Bearing cannot move now because it has brace and a shim. But the main gear can still move, sonwhats the point
@@ifishcatfish there's no shims at the main gear shaft, easier maintainance since there are no shims that we can lose easily
Hello! Is this good for 2500 normal vanford? Not shallow spool
yes, it is. Doesn't matter what spool. I did both reels with exactly same bearings.
friend, can I put a 4x8x3 bearing in the rotor nut without using a bushing inside the bearing like on the stella 18?
i don't remember the size, but yes, u don't need the but yea, thats what i showed in the video
@@ifishcatfish But wouldn’t it be bad when the metal of the bearing rubs against the metal of the rod directly?
Wouldn't it be worse than the factory bushing?
@@Passattikk the factory bushing is also metal. There is silicone ring but its outside. You still have brass bushing rubbing against aluminum shaft. If you use a bearing with steel race, the rubbing is acceptable. If you don't like that, don't replace it! The engineers decided the bushing was good enough! I said in the video that i don't understand why everybody wants to replace everything
Where do you order these parts from? I was thinking about upgrading the bushings in my daiwa laguna to bearings, and also doing the bushing replacement on my vanford 2000
Also I can't understand why Shimano just doesn't do this to begin with. It's a 240 dollar 2000 size spinning reel
@@philturinsky27 Cost
Can get bearings from Shimano, Ebay or Amazon
Would you recommend the Vanford or Exsence Ci4+
Vanford is newer reel
Su vanford c5000xg ? Misure dei cuscinetti da sostituire?
no
Wrong instalation of the ratchet spring /part number 107V2 / on 4:20 .
It must be set to the another side.
if its wrong, the clicker will slip and there will be no sound. You are watching a video.
i have trouble with handle knob.. is it smae handle knob on sahara fj an vanford? just replaced bearings in vanford hande but when i tight the screw its like it lock the bearimng and dont run smooth... i have the handle knob from my sahra ..my handle knob from vanford was very used and i replaced it
then i would put it back. something is different. Sometimes u have washers on one of the reels and if u move only bearings the tolerance is not same. What you are doing is a bad idea and when u pursue bad ideas u get bad results. Just buy the bearings from ebay or aliexpress and put them in so u know you are putting new bearings. if too tight, remove a washer
@@ifishcatfish thanx.. its THE same bearings in THE handlle knob as in THE linetoller exsct same Rd Number.. if i remove washer there is much play... But it runs smooth... Just replaced plastic bushing in THE sustain handleknob to s bearing ..cant belive that Shimano puts plastic in sustain handle..so much play in THE knob then..but not so much with bearing..and same bearings as in vanford .. but THE knob om sustain feels big and not as Good as in Sahara and vanford
Will this work on a Vanford 1000?
Of course
At 0:17 you show the hex screwdriver size. Do you know if it takes the same size with the Vanford 2500? I need to buy that tool and want to get the correct size
its the same screwdriver on all sizes
@@ifishcatfish thank you!
I have no idea how to get there as I live on Vancouver Island BC Canada. I like Bill Dance and he does catch big fish on camera more than anyone else on tv He also likes Crappy apparently America's favorite fish Lake down the road here has the biggest Red Ear sunfish and have caught them while Trout fishing.pouund for pound they fight hardest I have a goal to get a 10"12"
Hi,
What kind of reel would you recommend in a size 1000?
In a similar price as vanford, it can be daiwa or shimano as well.
I dont like any reel in this price point. You can buy the cheaper Ultegra - thats a great reel if u dont mind cosmetics. I have a review on it. But its heavier than vanford. If you need the light weight, spend a few extra dollars and buy the Complex XR instead of Vanford. 1000 size is very very problematic. If you wanted 2500 size, i would say go for Vanford right away
@@ifishcatfish thank you for your answer. What do you Think about stella or exist. They are also problematic in this size (1000)?
no, they are good. But it doesn't make sense to buy them in this size, since Vanquish is the best ultralight reel on the planet, and costs half of what they cost. Those reels have more bearings but are heavier. Vanquish is the king.
@@ifishcatfish may you explain a little bit more on the problematic Vangord 1000? What problem normally occur on it? Thnak you👍
Will the 2500 spool fit the 2000 reel?
I don't think so but a 3000 spool for sure fits a 2500. Those are the exact same frames.
Victor, can you please explain me what is this black coating that is on the vanford and stradic drive gear
i dont know what it is but it improves the contact between the gears, and makes contact quiet and somewhat even soft feeling. Makes contact feel incredible when the reel is brand new.
However the highest end reels have heat treated gear surface instead of this black paint. So i would say black paint is on mid range reels. Cheap reel have no paint and no treatment on the gears at all, and Stella has its own treatment of the gears
@@ifishcatfish can i ask another thing... what do you think, how many disassembles there are in the ci4+ bodies?
many, if you are careful. dont overtighten screws
@@ifishcatfish Thabk you, Victor
Do you have to do the 5000 version ? I think I read somewhere that the 4000 & 5000 come with bearings already. Not to sure though.
i dont think so. Bigger reels come with carbon drag instead of felt, and handle is different but they not gona have these bearings
is it normal taht my vanford rotor feels a bit loose/ moveble .. my stradic fl was tighter
no, rotor should not move at all. Spool may wobble a little, but not rotor. Remove the spool, and gets 10mm wrench and gently tighten it
@@ifishcatfish cant belive its happening again on a new shimano reel not the first time if its not tight..i will try.. thereis like a jump and click noise when i screw in the handle ( from the rotor down under if i hold the rotor and soft tighten the handle like anyone would then when thats happens i mean..and i kan feel it lose when i hold my hand on it i can feel it loos like up.. and down and side to side .. but still works like a reel should but i can feel somethjing is not quite right..hade same problem with my stradic fl
and took the rotor off and tighten the screw a little bit now iots not moves like its loose
I have vanford 4000xg. That size of bearings you installed is fit to mine?
probably not.
Thanks
another awesome vid, with your experience in testing them out. how would you rate in order from top to bottom ballistic lt, tatula lt, vanford and ci4+ all in that 2500-300- range. also does one standout over the others. thanks
For these sizes, Vanford is a 9, Tatula and Ballistic is the same reel, and i would give it 8.5, and Stradic CI4+ is 8. But it is not very simple, because the Tatula reels are smoother than the Stradic, but the Stradic has lower resistance. Vanford is clearly the best reel and there is no need to buy old reels in this price range
Thank you for response
Will these part sizes work for a 3000 size by chance?
the one on the oscillation worm will work for sure. Also the main shaft should work. Not sure about the one under the spool. It probably will but the 3000 does have a different spool
@@ifishcatfish as far as I know the spool size and handle on the crank are the only difference in the 2
@@bassman6211 well one of the bearings is supporting the spool...
Righty tighty. Lefty loose?
i never used that one, but its connected to another video im preparing : )
Mate, how much cost you for brand new size 2500? Any source to get second hand reel with cheap price?
i dont know but everything is out of stock and you not gona find any deals, even on used ones. Unless they are in bad shape
@@ifishcatfish thanks mate
Hi maybe u now size bearings for 2500 reel size
look again in the video. I say for which size the bearings fit
Are the any other bushings inside of the reel of vanford 2000 or it just had 3? Thanks
there is one more, on the other side of the oscillation worm. But to swap that one you need to disassemble the reel completely and those little plastic gears are hard to put back together. These 3 you can swap in 20 mins without opening the reel
@@ifishcatfish i had a Stradic 2500 FL and did a hole upgrade on the bushings but now i have an ultra light finesse rod that i want to put a vanford or a Vanquish the differences on the replacement of the bushings is as u mentioned almost unnoticeable.
So i recommend this upgrade only as a project for fun as a sidepart of the hobby.
Thanks for your answer
If you can tell me the dimensions of the last bushing on the other side of the oscillation worm i would appreciate it thanks. 😁
i didnt measure that and reels is closed now..
@@ifishcatfish ok mate thank you!
@@ifishcatfish Can you tell me the codes or the diameters of the replacement bearings for the 2000 Vanford.?
I have a stupid question :) have you ever tried to apply body cream on the main gear :)
it is a kinda question like, using toothpaste on the car scratches. It works great on slight scratches you may know already :)
This is going on my wall or great questions! No reply needed! : )
I favor baby lotion over all other lotions and creams because of the smell.
@@MAX99999 and the smoothness :) lovely
is the vanford crap without chaning all ? just bought one
U will see in the video
@@ifishcatfish i saw it.. i changed bearings in ny stradic fl handle knob 2 bearings insteqd of one its a bit better.. but the shaft or what its called when i screw in the handle wobbeling and play out of hell.. if i shake the reel i can feel and hear it in There..cant fix it:/ the vanford has a little tolaranxe but no play in the knob..
@@hejgoranfesdu i dont think replacing bushing makes much difference either way
That's one real that doesn't need any replacements works fine just like it is LOL
I would agree
Are the bearing dimensions correct? 4 * 8 * 2.5?
they are correct for the sizes you see on the screen. I see russians report different size for this bearing, but this is what i had in both of my reels, so i don't understand why they report the other size.
@@ifishcatfish coil manufacturing Malaysia?the master told me that a bearing of the size is inserted into the upper support of the infinite 2*5*2.5?where is the error.
When it comes to the models i have, these are the sizes inside of them. 100%. If some other models have 5 mm inner diameter they would also need a 5 mm main shaft, which is way too thick for small reels and i dont believe that. He probably gave u size for some big model
@@ifishcatfish and you have a size there 4*8*2.5?the second digit is not clear.can you write which bearing was inserted where?
they are in the video. I dont remember them. I have to watch the video myself.
Thank you for the information , there are 5 bearings that have to be replaced
you welcome!
If you have to replace the bushes the reels no good in the first place
you never 'have to' . People do this because they are nuts
i laughed hard when you say “you will not get a vanquish”
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When you buy a daiwa or a shimano reel and you need to modify it... I personally tell myself to just by better one 🤷🏻♂️😂
you are a good adviser. To yourself : )
Humm, seems as if you want a better reel just but it. Upgrading doesn't seem to be worth it on smaller light duty reels. Nice info. 👌
right. Buying the parts from japan is 3 times more expensive than just buying the model that comes with these parts.
Wera is equal or better than most Japanese screwdrivers... haha
Wera is german.. so yeah, probably
I thought it was wiha for a moment, but my tools of preference are snapon.
@@ifishcatfish your wera is made in Czech republic but a german brand. I use a lot of wera tools. they are one of the best and certainly better than most japanese made tools. I also modify my reels and I order stainless CRBB SKF or KOYO bearings from China. When these bearings were supplied in the industrial quantity scale. they are like less than $1 each.
@@MAX99999 snapon is good tool but certainly overpriced. Stahlwille, hazet, gedore, KTC, Koken are equal to snap on quality and much much much cheaper
@@feicheng7022 how much would you pay if you can walk onto any snap on truck , with your damaged tool or scratched tool and then get off with a new one, no questions asked for the life of the tool. Something has to be said when I leave my tools out in the rain, and my open ended wrenches, and sockets do not rust and continue to have a mirror chrome finish. For fishing, I still continue to use the hardened small screwdrivers 00 01 02 and they continue to work flawlessly and not strip screws despite me using them miniprybars. Maybe it is just me, but if I pay 20 dollars for a single socket, I know everyone else will be paying the same price, I hate when brand products get discounted. It’s like playing Pokémon building a tool collection.
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I personally wouldn’t do it because saltwater would destroy the bearings
At that price level they should all be bearings
then what are they gona do in the stella or the higher priced models?
Why upgrade a very expensive reel? Better to buy a more expensive one.
I agree but i get a lot of questions on this so i made a video
@@ifishcatfish thank you, we appreciate ypur effort and time, i just want you to know that i always watch your video and liked them all, full of knowledge and very entertaining.
When, you,cath,a,fish,you,won't,tell,the,difference,,like,you,video
For the price of a Vanford you shouldn’t have to replace these things
i dont think you have to. There is no perceivable benefit, and these bearings are very expensive
The question on my mind is why does this even have bushings for the price of this reel? come on shimano...lol
Lets say Shimano sell the reel with the bushings, and with the bearings. The one with the bearings costs $50 more, and is heavier. But in the hand you can't tell the difference. Will you still buy the heavy and expensive reel?
@@ifishcatfish When it comes to my spinning reels weight isnt a big deal to me. I want a smooth reliable reel made out of metal. I love my Diawa BG and I have used the Vanford before. I think the BG is smoother than this reel and its less than half the price. The BG doesnt have worm oscillation but I really cant tell the difference.
Which size vanford are you talking about? The 2000 size has problems exactly with the worm oscillation gears. So yeah, even daiwa Legalis is smoother than Vanford 2000
@@ifishcatfish I think it was a 2500 or 3000. It was a friends reel. I remember thinking he could have bought 2 Diawa BG reels for the cost of this one reel.
my 2500 is really smooth. Also it weighs exactly HALF of a daiwa BG, even though it costs TWICE. Thats funny : )
15 seconds into the video and I have to watch 2 commercials? No thanks.. Paused the commercials and I'm out of here.
Hmm i didnt kmow it was that bad. I dont control that though.. not my commercials. What is even worse, even if i demonetize the video, youtube still puts commercials in it. They just dont pay me anything..
Bushings are better in all those places, bearings are more likely to jam up due to salt water contact, even when washing with fresh after fishing salt will always find its way inside the bearings
and u add 10 grams of weight for nothing