@@AeroTurtle Stat card say 50km but IRL it's 80km, so either stat card is wrong, or it's a big nerf from Gaijin. Or just something reported that gonna change.
The flanker guy here! Situational awareness is at all time low. I was manually controlling radar elevation and side to side aspect of the radar. Yet the refresh rate was horrible. He would be able to pick me up much before than I could, as well as he can admit himself, how the plane cockpit situational awareness is not great at all. Ive been playing quite alot of sim in the flanker both on live and dev. And in my honest opinion, I had better time in the SMT than the flanker. Just because its radar is just that much easier to handle, and perform. Sim always be F-16s and mirages airspace. In my soviet loving eyes, id still pick nato airframes over old 4th gen airframes. The radar performance and cockpit situational awareness is just absurd. if the radar is this bad, i wont be touching the su27sm tbh, SMT is far better. n faster for my russian mains other than that f15,mirage,16 gripen are all better equipped airframes as of now
no tac view rundown after? I was really waiting for it especially after the close call 2:20 it would make these videos much more informative and we can see whats happening to another degree
The Su-27 is hard to fly in Air SB, it's not bad plane. If something is harder to fly it doesn't mean it's broken. People behave like spoiled children and i understand why. The F16C is basically no-brainer and very enjoyable to fly. It's much much easier to fly because that plane won't let you do mistakes like Su-27.
Nope, currently just shooting the missile off and letting it find its own target immediately in pitbull is impossible in WT. The closest thing to that is just firing it in TWS at close range. I guess it would be similar to how it works in DCS if they implement it, but for right now it's not here.
Great BVR fights, now remember that if we did not had changes in multipath as RB players were crying for, the Sukhoi would just dive to 100m and be invulnerable to your missiles. And no such fight would ever occur.
People complaining about the flankers flight model being incorrect are the ones who are incorrect. The flight model is correct, The way they fly it is incorrect. It's a big heavy plane with weak, sad little engines. Even in real life you'll get one or two very very hard maximum g turns, and then you're reduced to extremely slow high AOA maneuvers, You just can't get your speed back in a dog fight. The model is correct, The fact that in War thunder everybody pulls Max g all the time 24/7 is what's incorrect
Russian mains who say su-27 flight model is incorrect usually gather knowledge from russian flight shows which use much more modern models of sukhoi like 35 etc While also not considereing the fact that russian has entire fucking sqadron of stripped dry su 27 which are soley for acrobatics Its like USA main crying Because that one striped f-15 did mach in vertical so the one in game should too
They get their first flanker and think they just hopped inside a SU-30/35 super flanker with thrust vectoring and engines worth a damn for that heavy ass airframe
Design compromise. Usually grid fins perform better at sub and supersonic speeds but are dogwater at transonic speeds. At mach jesus, they theorectically are better than traditional fins you are used to in terms of drag and agility. However, the cons outweight all of the benefts as seen with the newest R77M which goes back to planar fins. Can google MP-AVT-135-3 if you want to read NATO documentation on fins for missiles.
The Russians thought it was a good idea, but they were wrong and even they realized an immediately. Hence why they relied on the r27 as their primary bvr missile for a long time after the r77 was already in service....
@@Moondoggymungmung i think the soviets realized that most of the fights will occur at medium to low altitude , so they probably went with planar fins. however i believe that r77 will beat aim120a at high alt. hight speed launch.
@@unlustiger4538 The R77 sucks. Bleeds too much speed. So at longer range it would be at a disadvantage. The range we used is fine. For the sake of the R-77
No, R77-1 would just be better than everything else. You also have to remember, this is in an secluded, 1v1 scenario, and we all know that the 16v16 furball is where the flanker performs best. I think all the Fox 3s are pretty well balanced, they all have their advantages and gimmicks modeled pretty well. Gaijin has done really good this update
Новый 27 имеет хорошую электроннику, как у 29смт, тоесть хорошее СПО(RWR) и новый радар на 100 километров, так что наверное нет, данный 27 не подходит под это описание
@@UberAllenSS СПО да, у радара проблема не рендж, тк больше 50 тебе и не надо в реалиях игры, а проблема радара в том, что у него самая низкая скорость обновления в игре (8 секунд между проходом по одной линии, те если таргет находится на уровне например нижней линии, когда ты направил на него РЛС и цикл только начался, то ты увидишь таргет на радаре только через 8 секунд) и 3 сектора, без возможности менять паттерн обхода луча, нет сопровождения цели по вертикали в СНП режиме (если ты или противник заклимбит или задайвит - софт лок сорвется, если ты в ручную угол подъема РЛС не поменяешь), ну и сам по себе радар очень слабо держит лок на больших углах или при резких маневрах цели (радар шестнаря, миража, пятнаря и 29СМТ держат лок, если таргет уходит в нотч вплоть до 89 градусов без учета диполей и до 86 с диполями, в то время как Н001 и его дальнобойная копия на 27СМ держат лок на углах до 87 без диполей и до 82 с ними. Все это в купе делает этот радар худшим на БР выше 11.7
@@UberAllenSS но в целом основная проблема сушки в СБ была именно станция ПО, тч СМ версия заиграет нормально (по крайней мере я так думаю, посмотрим на лайве)
The MICA should have a bit more range than R-77, I don't know why everyone thinks it's short-legged compared to other fox 3s.
Well the stat card says it has shorter range.
@@AeroTurtle they really need to correct the stat card then
@@AeroTurtle Their card is bad... Irl the MICA is the equal of the aim120C so it has more than 50km range and from a distance.
@@AeroTurtle Stat card say 50km but IRL it's 80km, so either stat card is wrong, or it's a big nerf from Gaijin. Or just something reported that gonna change.
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The flanker guy here!
Situational awareness is at all time low.
I was manually controlling radar elevation and side to side aspect of the radar.
Yet the refresh rate was horrible.
He would be able to pick me up much before than I could, as well as he can admit himself, how the plane cockpit situational awareness is not great at all.
Ive been playing quite alot of sim in the flanker both on live and dev.
And in my honest opinion, I had better time in the SMT than the flanker. Just because its radar is just that much easier to handle, and perform.
Sim always be F-16s and mirages airspace. In my soviet loving eyes, id still pick nato airframes over old 4th gen airframes. The radar performance and cockpit situational awareness is just absurd.
if the radar is this bad, i wont be touching the su27sm tbh, SMT is far better. n faster for my russian mains
other than that f15,mirage,16 gripen are all better equipped airframes as of now
Hmmm that is a very interesting take. Seems like going with the SMT or Mirage 2000-5F would be better overall.
Yeah situational awareness in that thing is meh.
no tac view rundown after? I was really waiting for it especially after the close call 2:20 it would make these videos much more informative and we can see whats happening to another degree
Dev server closed before I could get that footage ;(
@@AeroTurtle NOOOOOOOOOOO
The Su-27 is hard to fly in Air SB, it's not bad plane. If something is harder to fly it doesn't mean it's broken. People behave like spoiled children and i understand why. The F16C is basically no-brainer and very enjoyable to fly. It's much much easier to fly because that plane won't let you do mistakes like Su-27.
F16C is no brainer? Then what about the JAS-39 then?
JAS-39 is yes and some more but also yeah
FINALLY a sim gameplay and not a braindead missile spamming air rb
is it possible to fire ammram without lock like fire missile and make it acquire on its own
use TWS mdoe
u still need to turn on your radar in wt.
Nope, currently just shooting the missile off and letting it find its own target immediately in pitbull is impossible in WT. The closest thing to that is just firing it in TWS at close range. I guess it would be similar to how it works in DCS if they implement it, but for right now it's not here.
TWS is the best you'll get. Doesn't give a warning until the missile goes pitbull.
I swear turtle is the top gun maverick fr
He might really be the top gun maverick fr
he's definitely the top gun maverick fr
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R77 has more range then the aim120 A so I don’t understand why the aim120 is beating it
Drag, I think. R77 bleeds more speed when turning.
all missiles other than the aim-120A are nerfed to match the aim-120A's preformance
@@a.e.richardson218 why though?
@@Takemura76 yh but r77 has a lot more range so even if it bleeds more speed turning the overall range should be better
@@a.e.richardson218 pure conjecture. The R77 was well known to be crap in real life. Ask the Indian military.
Great BVR fights, now remember that if we did not had changes in multipath as RB players were crying for, the Sukhoi would just dive to 100m and be invulnerable to your missiles. And no such fight would ever occur.
Essentially
People complaining about the flankers flight model being incorrect are the ones who are incorrect. The flight model is correct, The way they fly it is incorrect. It's a big heavy plane with weak, sad little engines. Even in real life you'll get one or two very very hard maximum g turns, and then you're reduced to extremely slow high AOA maneuvers, You just can't get your speed back in a dog fight. The model is correct, The fact that in War thunder everybody pulls Max g all the time 24/7 is what's incorrect
As an engineer of the Su-27 aircraft, I will tell you. What's disgusting about WT FM
@@BBCRF Ти маленький хлопчик, а не інженер. Ви не працювали на Сухому.
I mean it’s just not though. Pulling max g’s doesn’t help but the flanker just really doesn’t preform like it should
Russian mains who say su-27 flight model is incorrect usually gather knowledge from russian flight shows which use much more modern models of sukhoi like 35 etc
While also not considereing the fact that russian has entire fucking sqadron of stripped dry su 27 which are soley for acrobatics
Its like USA main crying Because that one striped f-15 did mach in vertical so the one in game should too
They get their first flanker and think they just hopped inside a SU-30/35 super flanker with thrust vectoring and engines worth a damn for that heavy ass airframe
why does the r77 have those fins?
To make it able to pull a lot of AoA and turn like crazy at supersonic speed (not in this game obviously)😂
Design compromise. Usually grid fins perform better at sub and supersonic speeds but are dogwater at transonic speeds. At mach jesus, they theorectically are better than traditional fins you are used to in terms of drag and agility. However, the cons outweight all of the benefts as seen with the newest R77M which goes back to planar fins.
Can google MP-AVT-135-3 if you want to read NATO documentation on fins for missiles.
The Russians thought it was a good idea, but they were wrong and even they realized an immediately. Hence why they relied on the r27 as their primary bvr missile for a long time after the r77 was already in service....
@@Moondoggymungmung i think the soviets realized that most of the fights will occur at medium to low altitude , so they probably went with planar fins. however i believe that r77 will beat aim120a at high alt. hight speed launch.
@@СергейНикольский-я2ц too bad it wasn't even good at that.
Glad you liked the skin for the mirage
Can't go wrong with it!
Tf is this bvr. 30km is not that much bro a mica is deadly in this range. Why not 100km start
A mica is not deadly in 100km.
Edit: I'm using miles, knots, and feet.
@@AeroTurtle ye it’s not but a R77 is it would the whole thing a bit spicier
@@unlustiger4538 The R77 sucks. Bleeds too much speed. So at longer range it would be at a disadvantage. The range we used is fine. For the sake of the R-77
Hey Aero how far did you launch the MICA-EM? It looked like 15km but couldn’t truly tell.
During what point of the video?
@@AeroTurtle 1:53 in the video but I see that you use miles instead of kilometers.
He launched at 25km
@@unlustiger4538 nice!
Yak 41 vs F-16!(just mod in R-77 pls)
"just mod it in" it's not that easy, dude
Unfortunately this was dev server and you cant mod in that currently.
This
So is the R-77-1 needed?
No, R77-1 would just be better than everything else. You also have to remember, this is in an secluded, 1v1 scenario, and we all know that the 16v16 furball is where the flanker performs best. I think all the Fox 3s are pretty well balanced, they all have their advantages and gimmicks modeled pretty well. Gaijin has done really good this update
@@batlax18 Yeah, so the problem here is the Su-27SM radar right?
Not yet
Outnumbered, outperformed and outdated af (in terms of avionics) - it is a slogan for the flanker in sim, but somehow it shines in RB🙃
Yep a 2000s jet, which has still bad radar avionics compared to f16s and mirages 😊
Новый 27 имеет хорошую электроннику, как у 29смт, тоесть хорошее СПО(RWR) и новый радар на 100 километров, так что наверное нет, данный 27 не подходит под это описание
@@UberAllenSS СПО да, у радара проблема не рендж, тк больше 50 тебе и не надо в реалиях игры, а проблема радара в том, что у него самая низкая скорость обновления в игре (8 секунд между проходом по одной линии, те если таргет находится на уровне например нижней линии, когда ты направил на него РЛС и цикл только начался, то ты увидишь таргет на радаре только через 8 секунд) и 3 сектора, без возможности менять паттерн обхода луча, нет сопровождения цели по вертикали в СНП режиме (если ты или противник заклимбит или задайвит - софт лок сорвется, если ты в ручную угол подъема РЛС не поменяешь), ну и сам по себе радар очень слабо держит лок на больших углах или при резких маневрах цели (радар шестнаря, миража, пятнаря и 29СМТ держат лок, если таргет уходит в нотч вплоть до 89 градусов без учета диполей и до 86 с диполями, в то время как Н001 и его дальнобойная копия на 27СМ держат лок на углах до 87 без диполей и до 82 с ними. Все это в купе делает этот радар худшим на БР выше 11.7
@@UberAllenSS но в целом основная проблема сушки в СБ была именно станция ПО, тч СМ версия заиграет нормально (по крайней мере я так думаю, посмотрим на лайве)
@@СергейНикольский-я2ц Ah, so the radar has a slow scan speed. I suppose that explains a lot. Cool to know.
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