Played against an interesting Against the Odds style deck yesterday that was looping Open the Omenpaths with Vadrok, using the heron mutator and Pollywog Symbiote to keep drawing cheap mutators.
I've been trying to build n opitmal build of that myself and wanted to as soon as I saw Open spoiled, though I don't think Heron is good. Birgi is nuts if you can get her on the field. Goldspan Dragon also is amazing with Mutate and you can easily get infinite mana, infinite damage, infinite Shark Tokens from Shark Typhoon if you have something like Unsubstantiate to bounce the Mutate stack. I use See the Truth and Valakut Awakening to find Mutators to go off and both are great with Vadrok.
I've played against this deck like 4 times, no clue why Vadrok doesn't exile the card it casts from the graveyard. Everybody loooves decks that combo win on turn 4-5 in standard.
This deck in my opinion would work better with graven lore over skelds. He doesn't really need the pure draw just need to find the cards he needs. Also being at instant speed he doesn't need to worry about counters as much. Or at least Behold the Multiverse. In either case I think splashing red just for skelds seems bad especially because he has counter spells.
@@stephenhousman6975 can’t copy graven lore lol whole point of the deck is to copy stuff. If ur putting in instant card draw u just dump the orvar plan and become control
I wonder how it would work if you swapped the Showdown for Omen of the Sea. Seems like the primary reason for Showdown is that it's a permanent that draws cards.
@@Hibadell I know that but Showdown seems to cause some clunkiness to the deck. Sure 1 game showed some sweet things with it but it doesn't help when you are torn between playing the removal spell vs. holding up a counter. If he had lore he can get his card draw and leave up his counters.
As an Arena Free to Play player, I tend to see what Mythics I get and build decks around them, it's a fun challenge... and as someone who's already hit 3 Orvars, it's on the list, so I'm super excited to see this.
Let's Look at the scenario at 1:29:26. Seth has 13 mana. TLDR Seth had lethal by countering his own stuff He can adventure the sheperd targeting the angel and negate his own adventure. He now has 2 angels and 14 life. The original angel has 3 power now due to showdown. 10 mana left. Then, targeting the summoning sick token, he can adventure the other sheperd and flicker of fate in response, getting 2 more orvar triggers. When the first trigger resolves, an angel will enter, putting seth up to 22 life. Seth then casts mystical dispute on the flicker, declining to pay for it. The second orvar trigger resolves, creating another angel and putting seth up to 34 life. Then the sheperd resolves and seth loses 1 of the angels. Now, to recap, seth has 3 angels, one of which is not summoning sick. He has 5 counters on this particular angel from showdown (casting 2 adventures, dispute, negate, and flicker), making its power 8 without any buffs. The 3 angels all give it +2/+2 because seth has more than 27 life, giving it 14 power. Lethal.
"Why did I spend so long on this?" Literally I feel the same way every time I finish editing one of my videos. It always feels worth it once I see the finished product though, and I hope sushiske feels the same. Keep up the good work!
Have seen Mono Black's Orvhar deck? It uses Nissa to animate Mystic Sanctuary and then you target Mystic Sanctuary with a cantrip spell, targeting the Sanctuary to create a new one which stacks your cantrip to rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
Embereth Paladin seeing more and more 1-2x sideboard play out of mono red for the ultimatum/control matchups. Dodges heartless act, glass casket, and is a surprisingly painful threat to drop post wrath. Pretty terrible against stomp but that's why it lives in the board.
You know the editor is doing a good job cuz these intros do a better job of making me want to like a comment more than any "Only x% of you are subscribed" stuff.
I edit to entertain! I think that’s probably the best thing about the fact that I’m able to work for/with goldfish, I can just have fun and essentially do whatever I want to experiment as long as I edit the videos and make sure they’re all good! A lot of other places value things like engagement through saying ‘smash that like button and leave a comment’ but I’m all about organic engagement, I’d rather just have fun, craft some entertainment and, well, it seems to be working!
1:29:00 why didn't you just use your Skyclave to exile theirs? Showdown would have put a counter on one of your guys, giving you exactly 9 power and they'd be out of blockers while tapped out completely. Bam, dead right there, no risk of them top-decking into a wrath to reset the board, which could well have happened on that following turn. I think you'd have won by clock anyway, they ended at 50 seconds, but seems like a safer move than just making some dorks and hoping it worked out.
Marketing during MTG Goldfish Meeting: Seth, we don't think "Get Eldrained" is going to work... Seth: I am going to make this work. It is going to be a thing. Also Seth: *Makes it Work*
I made an esper orvar deck that's pretty fun, took some inspiration from this, don't have a ton of rare wildcards so I just winged it and ended up doing better than I have before through ranked. I plan to splash some red later on for that saga though, seems wayyyy too good with Orvar copying it.
seth might be a bit addicted to card advantage i felt like there was times where he could have been blinking his creatures but went for the showdown for no real value had multiple cards gone to exile
Editor, you may have spent a lot of time on this intro, but I want you to know that I did commit tiny laugh while I watched it, and that is honestly very much appreciated
To my knowledge, Against the Odds is more of a challenge to win above all odds, and Much Abrew is like a joyride of a cool looking deck/brew. But, can’t say for sure, I’m sure that @mtggoldfish/Saff will have a better answer aha
I think graven lore is slightly better than showdown in my opinion. Since you are a combo deck you want more card selection than just pure draw. Also the upside you don't need to splash red.
@@MTGGoldfish True but I find at least with some of these Against the Odds decks selection seems better than straight draw. You are not aggro or rampy enough to get the full benefit off it. I had a conversation with someone else on here suggesting Omen of the Sea. Based on the list that seems like a more quality 2 drop that your deck is kinda needed. Maybe that is a better option. I saw a deck that Mono Black Magic did with Orvar. Had the GB nissa and mystic sanctuary and felidar retreat. You might actually like that deck.
Hey Seth, I run the selective memory deck in modern and was wondering what you think I should use in place of the spirit guides now that they're banned? I was thinking maybe more control pieces
seth, I think the editor deserves a raise.
Hes not the boss but I agree xd
i found this one way too long and not all that funny. I come here for magic
@@malinko8956 We found the man who is never invited to parties. We found Mr. ItSnOtFuNnY
Editors always deserve a raise, worldwide. And I have no hidden motives to say that...
Or a hug
The editor is simply a legend for all the stuff he does for these guys 😂😂
Thank you! I really have to think outside of the box for some of these
@@sushiske keep it up, love seeing the creativity!
Specific example?
"Why did I spend so long on this?" Because your intros are hilarious and you know we love them A LOT
Worth.
2 hour against the odds!?! And a spectacular intro!?! Simply marvelous.
Editor keeps knocking the intro out of the park.
Played against an interesting Against the Odds style deck yesterday that was looping Open the Omenpaths with Vadrok, using the heron mutator and Pollywog Symbiote to keep drawing cheap mutators.
Spicy!
Just found the reddit post and short video. Super cool idea!
I've been trying to build n opitmal build of that myself and wanted to as soon as I saw Open spoiled, though I don't think Heron is good. Birgi is nuts if you can get her on the field. Goldspan Dragon also is amazing with Mutate and you can easily get infinite mana, infinite damage, infinite Shark Tokens from Shark Typhoon if you have something like Unsubstantiate to bounce the Mutate stack. I use See the Truth and Valakut Awakening to find Mutators to go off and both are great with Vadrok.
I've played against this deck like 4 times, no clue why Vadrok doesn't exile the card it casts from the graveyard. Everybody loooves decks that combo win on turn 4-5 in standard.
the intros are just too fun :D
Gotta say, I love the memey intros way more than the old highlight intros. Thanks for listening to the feedback and finding something that works.
EDITOR HAVE MY BABIES I ONLY WATCH THESE FOR THE INTROS NOW
1:29:18 apparition the apparition gives you lethal, opponent is tapped out
When you need to go boros to have good card draw even though you're blue... in what world are we living?
This deck in my opinion would work better with graven lore over skelds. He doesn't really need the pure draw just need to find the cards he needs. Also being at instant speed he doesn't need to worry about counters as much. Or at least Behold the Multiverse. In either case I think splashing red just for skelds seems bad especially because he has counter spells.
@@stephenhousman6975 can’t copy graven lore lol whole point of the deck is to copy stuff. If ur putting in instant card draw u just dump the orvar plan and become control
The one where Seth is using hyperbole and the card draw needs to be a permanent
I wonder how it would work if you swapped the Showdown for Omen of the Sea. Seems like the primary reason for Showdown is that it's a permanent that draws cards.
@@Hibadell I know that but Showdown seems to cause some clunkiness to the deck. Sure 1 game showed some sweet things with it but it doesn't help when you are torn between playing the removal spell vs. holding up a counter. If he had lore he can get his card draw and leave up his counters.
As an Arena Free to Play player, I tend to see what Mythics I get and build decks around them, it's a fun challenge... and as someone who's already hit 3 Orvars, it's on the list, so I'm super excited to see this.
Definitely a good way to use your Orvars!
For my part I've hit 3 Alrund and 4 Haunting Voyage, of course, these are not played anywhere x)
Editor been killing it lately with these intros.
Thank you Editor for the time you spend for the memes I love them and they are amazing
1:29:25 why wouldn't you just skyclave the skyclave and win right there.
I was trying to figure out why he didnt do this as well. Had to reread cards to make sure I wasnt crazy
Lol had to check if someone else said this before I wrote out a comment. I'm sure he missed it because that match was a grind fest
New intros are SO much better than the spoiler ones!
That's cool the last opponent let Seth attack him. He let Seth enjoy the fruits of his labor.
Editor is the true hero of our days
Let's Look at the scenario at 1:29:26. Seth has 13 mana.
TLDR Seth had lethal by countering his own stuff
He can adventure the sheperd targeting the angel and negate his own adventure. He now has 2 angels and 14 life. The original angel has 3 power now due to showdown. 10 mana left.
Then, targeting the summoning sick token, he can adventure the other sheperd and flicker of fate in response, getting 2 more orvar triggers. When the first trigger resolves, an angel will enter, putting seth up to 22 life. Seth then casts mystical dispute on the flicker, declining to pay for it. The second orvar trigger resolves, creating another angel and putting seth up to 34 life. Then the sheperd resolves and seth loses 1 of the angels.
Now, to recap, seth has 3 angels, one of which is not summoning sick. He has 5 counters on this particular angel from showdown (casting 2 adventures, dispute, negate, and flicker), making its power 8 without any buffs. The 3 angels all give it +2/+2 because seth has more than 27 life, giving it 14 power. Lethal.
Loving these excellent intros!
In this house we love the editor
That intro hit the mark, hum, I mean Target.
Match 3 is an example why I love this game sometimes.
that shirt tho "where's the big bearded man?"
That intro deserves a medal.
Good to see you did the adverts yourself this week instead of letting UA-cam do it
Shoutout to the editor 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
When he says ingenious instead of igneous lmao we love you Seth
The good old Hoplite + Mystic Dispute combo, a classic
"Why did I spend so long on this?" Literally I feel the same way every time I finish editing one of my videos. It always feels worth it once I see the finished product though, and I hope sushiske feels the same. Keep up the good work!
Wasn't a fan of the concept but it's in jeskai so now I'm a fan.
1:09:20 you could have looped shepherds, using one to pick up the other to get a 3/1 and a counter for 1 white mana each.
Deck title should have been "Targeting All Orvar the Place"
-Change my mind
Also these intro memes just get better and better.
Have seen Mono Black's Orvhar deck? It uses Nissa to animate Mystic Sanctuary and then you target Mystic Sanctuary with a cantrip spell, targeting the Sanctuary to create a new one which stacks your cantrip to rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
Whoever does these intros needs a raise
Embereth Paladin seeing more and more 1-2x sideboard play out of mono red for the ultimatum/control matchups. Dodges heartless act, glass casket, and is a surprisingly painful threat to drop post wrath. Pretty terrible against stomp but that's why it lives in the board.
You know the editor is doing a good job cuz these intros do a better job of making me want to like a comment more than any "Only x% of you are subscribed" stuff.
Well that's not particularly hard, is it?
I edit to entertain! I think that’s probably the best thing about the fact that I’m able to work for/with goldfish, I can just have fun and essentially do whatever I want to experiment as long as I edit the videos and make sure they’re all good! A lot of other places value things like engagement through saying ‘smash that like button and leave a comment’ but I’m all about organic engagement, I’d rather just have fun, craft some entertainment and, well, it seems to be working!
Thoroughly enjoyed the opening.
Actually, all of the meme openings have been great.
Very cool! That third match was nuts, and what a finish in match 5!
To answer our awesome Editor: Because it's cool :D
Such a great intro I love your commander clash stuff saw this and it made me laugh so loud you guys are awesome
The comments are all talking about the editor so they can avoid talking about how Seth does not know how to close out a game...
Really interesting deck. I like it!
Watched the into multiple times. Definitely appreciate the time spent on it, lol
The editor deserves a raise
2:00:30 just a casual 210+ creatures on the batllefield
I didn't get the joke at the beginning till the very end and I can only say.... I totally feel you, mr editor... I've been there and it hurts...
2021 Magic: Adding red to your deck for card advantage.
Red has had impulsive draw for half a decade now
@@DimT670 I know, I just thought it was funny because the deck was already blue but adding red was what gave it card advantage.
According to Seth 3=infinity this is the worst mispronunciation he's ever done!
The new intros a judge amazingly well done and funny, continue like this!
I don't usually go out of my way to like a lot of videos. But these intros are so good I've done it on like the last four or five.
Editor you rock.
That intro was legit spooky.
seth: -is salty about "30 wraths"-
also seth: -gets his entire playset of apparitions-
That intro though!!! OMG that was fun!
Great content Seth.
What I saw in this video was that you lose to Eldraine like everyone else, but otherwise are a seriously good competitive deck.
Sounds like Standard to me!
Top Deck intro right there
The "why did I spend so much time on this" crushed my little video editing heart. Too true editor. Too true
Honestly, I did enjoy it! And it turned out well, that’s why I spent so much time on it. I just like adding funny ‘s**tpost’ comments like that!
@@sushiske just made me think of how quickly it is to think of the jokes and how much longer it takes to make them happen haha. Great work!
That opening is fucking cursed. Thank you Sushi for delivering 🥲
I tried building with Orvar and ended up with UG. Three or four Elder Gargaroths will usually win a game.
This is a great suggestion! I was trying that style of deck with just the other clone effects. This should really help. Thanks!
Masterful intro edit
Editor is king!
Sweet deck! I want to try this Orvar concept with terror of the peaks🤪
Watching Seth just makes me happy idk why
I feel you, editor.
Ngl all of this meme intros are bringing me back to watching magic content
Lol, that was crazy. Nice content.
Sushike is on a roll lately
LOL edit is on point!
1:29:00 why didn't you just use your Skyclave to exile theirs? Showdown would have put a counter on one of your guys, giving you exactly 9 power and they'd be out of blockers while tapped out completely. Bam, dead right there, no risk of them top-decking into a wrath to reset the board, which could well have happened on that following turn. I think you'd have won by clock anyway, they ended at 50 seconds, but seems like a safer move than just making some dorks and hoping it worked out.
Top tier intro
Man your shirt is fabulous! nice deck tech, going to try it out
Thanks!
1:58:20 onwards for the combo
Marketing during MTG Goldfish Meeting: Seth, we don't think "Get Eldrained" is going to work...
Seth: I am going to make this work. It is going to be a thing.
Also Seth: *Makes it Work*
Big ups to the editor.
The intro guy needs a face reveal, he's the new madlad of this channel hahahah
God I'm glad you won against the Yorion deck. I hate those decks so much.
Editor been killing it
Oh wow, the intro! Had me laughing for a long time.
I made an esper orvar deck that's pretty fun, took some inspiration from this, don't have a ton of rare wildcards so I just winged it and ended up doing better than I have before through ranked. I plan to splash some red later on for that saga though, seems wayyyy too good with Orvar copying it.
that intro was right on t-t-t-t-target
I've been waiting for Seth to try out the Hopplelite combo!
20 seconds in and you had my like
1:28:55 i start yelling at my screen, you win with skyclave'ing the skyclave.
Had to go into red because straight blue-white didn't have any good card draw.... XD
seth might be a bit addicted to card advantage i felt like there was times where he could have been blinking his creatures but went for the showdown for no real value had multiple cards gone to exile
It’s not really a draw 4 when he lets 3 cards of each one zoop off to exile each time
I def enioy the new intros, this one was just excellent
Editors hard at work!!!!!
Nioce
Imagine having played craterhoof in this deck
Love the meme edits
They make me laugh all the time
Time for some hillgiant magic
Editor, you may have spent a lot of time on this intro, but I want you to know that I did commit tiny laugh while I watched it, and that is honestly very much appreciated
I thought you just misspoke when you said “cast orvar”.
*YES!* more meme intros!!!
Honestly i kinda want to see an olvar feather deck in historic. It seems pretty good
Mr tentacle? Go deep? What even Seth
I like the intros for sure, but the dead space isn’t edited out, which I don’t like.
What's the difference between Against the Odds and Much Abrew About Nothing?
To my knowledge, Against the Odds is more of a challenge to win above all odds, and Much Abrew is like a joyride of a cool looking deck/brew. But, can’t say for sure, I’m sure that @mtggoldfish/Saff will have a better answer aha
That intro tho!
I think graven lore is slightly better than showdown in my opinion. Since you are a combo deck you want more card selection than just pure draw. Also the upside you don't need to splash red.
It doesn't work with Orvar though :(
@@MTGGoldfish True but I find at least with some of these Against the Odds decks selection seems better than straight draw. You are not aggro or rampy enough to get the full benefit off it.
I had a conversation with someone else on here suggesting Omen of the Sea. Based on the list that seems like a more quality 2 drop that your deck is kinda needed. Maybe that is a better option.
I saw a deck that Mono Black Magic did with Orvar. Had the GB nissa and mystic sanctuary and felidar retreat. You might actually like that deck.
Hey Seth, I run the selective memory deck in modern and was wondering what you think I should use in place of the spirit guides now that they're banned? I was thinking maybe more control pieces