PAIN vs OpenAI - HUMANS vs AI - AMAIZING SHOWMATCH
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2018
- Commentary by Capitalist Blitz
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i love when they're still showing face cam for open AI team, with the empty seats.
that part is terrifying
Mr19021998 its creepy lol
Haha notice as well.
where is it
@@yushuangluo8006 they're started showing facecam for players besides map from 5:49
0:40 first blood: Tideunter 19:40 last blood: Tidehunter. exact same location... set-up by Illuminati?!?
What if the bots planned it all along and they were all communicating and told tide to go there. A mindgame for the humans to think about.. scary if you think it now..
wtf. its fucking creepy.
Bots lost on purpose to make us think that we are still superior
ZeuS123121 now thats some creepy shit you're talking about...
What are the odds
pain gaming pls save humanity
GabeN is skynet
OpenAI this level of their play is nothing Impressive for now. OpenAI vs Human is depended on Level of Seriousness trying to win a game. In other word, This game is just Calculated, Dead Serious AIs vs Emotional, Abusive-human nature, Professional players.
Watch out how Presenters talk when either side won. If AI lose, meh. If AI won, the world is doomed.
Still waiting for Invoker full combo AI Level. Meh games.
Take That OpenAI big talk. Really like Pain's Trash talk and shaming so that Never OpenAI never open mouth again.
long time no see, sir
@@braveshine2579 and Scripted DP should be reported. Those Euls...
it is not scripted, AI has this instant calculation/reaction unlike us human.
putting Pain vs OpenAI was very good idea, they're so talented players and bunch of trolls same time :)
they also tested lot of things about bot movements, reactions etc. it was such a nice game to watch, i hope we see more of these in next days against other teams.
Predatorus Rex we brazilians agree that pain gaming r at the same time good and trolls. But we trust on than we r soo happy because they were to the international (i dont know if i wrote it correctly im not a good english speaker)
the few errors: writing "are" as "r", they were *at* the international, and "writing" is irregular, so "wrote it correctly"
and I'm not sure what you mean by "But we trust on than".
outside from that your writing is quite good, I've seen worse from native englishmen.
manaquri thanks :)
OG lost to them..im from 2k19
@@dota2d977 people lost to a virus... im from 2k20.dec.30 and we afraid we will be purged from existence in 2021..
TI 10, winner has to beat open AI to claim the reward, otherwise Lord Gaben will take it himself
Next patch be like... lmao
100% profit
Im from future and there are no ti10
I think people underappreciated how good pro teams really are. This OpenAI bot will beat 8k pub stack easily but Pain Gaming's coordination is superior. Pain Gaming may be last place in TI but they're still 18th best team in the world. You gotta realize that fact.
Only W33 and hfn... the others...
Sebastián Marín yeah, only the cores
@JamesGonzalez Dude.. they are not bought up on regular basis,lot of backlash and no support yet these guys done something on the international try to appreciate them
James Gonzales ur mother never loved u?
@@rockaphonics his mother trashed him
"team human lost to this smh na casters"
I died XD
What does NA casters mean?
@@Danieloon11 He was referring to the openai giving the ank to the Crystal Maiden instead of a melee carrier.
50 minutes to beat a bot team with a group of professional players. This AI is super good!
How about the 2019 version of ai beat ti8 champ just like that
moo blu but that bot is higher lvl than bot against pain
@@alone7449 its an upgrade. In simple words, the bot just grew up
That gyro play, literally CALCULATED
you cant calculate something like that because auto attacks have a random damage variance
What minute?
True, bt you can calculate the average and base decisions upon that value, the % likelyhood of surviving compared to dying.
on 15:13 to 15:28. Its a very cool move by OpenAI
C0ntr3y nothing is random
This is not OpenAI final form
is this Cell games or what. haha.
@@mudflapmad OpenAI will getting stronger everytime they lose🤨
Well it's the same with human
Karrie Ayam same goes with the human mate , they just using kaoken , not yet super saiyan
Karrie Ayam you dont know how openai learn. Do you?
The way the ai counters Wee's blink call is beyond human reaction time.
its literally unfair, but the bot does that only when they expect a blink never on unexpected ones
so its like a human having his eul selected waiting for the blink except a human will have wayyy lower chances to actually eul
The bot were stupid and terrifying at the same time
absolutely terrifying!
Im pretty sure you would lose 100% against those bots... Stupid 3k MMR.
+Doctor Wells Well, yeah, but sometimes they were really stupid.
lol u have low iQ than bot im prettysure
Idk why you people are going on this guy. They are stupid. They learn by having a shit ton of time to learn thing, its called reinforcement learning which mean you learn by try and fail and repeat for better result. If a human could live and have the time to experience these bots have I doubt he would lose to anyone in the world, they have hundreds of millions of games per day dude.
PaiN Gaming save the Humanity aganist AI for Now. Thanks PaiN Gaming :)
For now monkaGIGA
at least pain gaming took this match seriously
ti9 tinker, meepo and invoker AI
skidi pap pap skup pap pap skidi pap pap pap rip ss
Insta GG mane 😞
Not enough farm for all three on the map. Tinker alone used to starve his own carry before 7.00.
*The legendary Injoker with 666 fingers will born...*
18:16 tide got dunked backed to life
Humanity is safe... for now...
PAIN gaming teaches AI the concept of PAIN
the Euls scepter seemed too fast every time...I wonder what the reaction speed parameter is. I think there should be different reactions depending on whether it's in a fight or just randomly walking around.
not really, u can cast a lot of things before axe calls... like silencer ult if youre really good.
+I'm the captain now, Silencer ulti is not a point cast like eul's is, making it alot easier to do. It's literally impossible to instant eul someone unless you pre-cast it, so you gotta have vision of your opponent before he jumps. Because that way if you pre-cast it, when he blinks in he will be instantaneously eul'ed.
instant eul
because theyre bots
Joao Machado nah, u can also predict ur opponent and for ex spam ur hex to the place where u expect some kind of a axe or tide to jump. But we need a view from bots perspective to know if they figured it out or it was just ai things like inhumane reaction time.
If u ever heard some player using botscript in their game, then it is. Bot using the same way. Each item that they have is instant cast.
It'll be interesting to see how far they can push OpenAI to the point where they will be unbeatable.
cool to see PG playing with the smile on his face. Congratulations class
thw weakness of open AI is they dont do force staff, so the not yet programed for walk over the cliff, only use blink dagger yet.
But they pro activate items like euls
And the fact that it plays with itself.. every teamfight it predicts that the other team has insane reaction speeds like them... Open ai should learn to underestimate the calculations of the other team... More like program it to fight people and not program it to fight its own perfect self.. because everytime a clash happens they get the wrong idea that humans can execute everything perfectly, thats why they back out of fights that they can easily win using their instant cast and calculations alone.
They also dont have access to benefits that they cant accidently do multiple times(since they havent done it regularly they wont recognize the impact of these benefits). thats why pulling isnt a thing to them yet..
only pro in press the toggle not positioning/ move yet
It isn't programmed at all in such terms, it has to learn everything by itself
"probably the most fun he had in this TI" that burn man..
whos here after watching og vs openai .
I notice that every game of ai 5v5 always pick dp lion gyro sniper especially cm
Og vs ai
Pain gaming vs ai and others
The ti8 winners can't beat the openAI
@@santanderricsanpaul2057 i did said that og win against ai i said ai always pick some heroes
Rovy As per openAI designers, these AI aren’t given access to all heroes . Only 48 heroes. If these AIs are given Invoker , humans will not have a chance. Then why didn’t they give stronger heroes is because their intentions were to test how AIs learns by itself, not to see if they can defeat humans. However, open AI program has been closed for Dota 2 , now the same AI is being taught - cell biology to work on cancer cure . Hopefully, AIs will crack something there .
1:46 bot: i didnt see that coming haha
Need to see if i need to consider other Career paths.. :(
nvm we are good... for now..
yeah but thats only because this bot trained for 2 days (for the single courier) not the usual line ups for 5 couriers
Single courier is more balanced against AI imo.. 5 were just too much and didn't feel like dota..
12:20 Duster tauting NA casters haha
Kinda miss this event in TI 😢
That was a smart play by lich at 10:37, occupying the sniper so that he can't help with his team.
I think OpenAI didn't have much late games... Just playing defensive/elusive early might be the answer to save the world
10 years later... TI18 (OpenAI tournament)
Pain game com muito carisma! Bora treinar duro com mais hero e representar de novo um pouco melhor! Taum de parabéns pelo que fizeram!
hmm, so OpenAI is a chair? or just invisible?
8:34 yeahhhhhhh what a very subtle FROZEN reference. i see what u did there
Is IG also going to play?
15:27 gyro tp from fountain to fountain. So much intelligence. AILUL
they are acting stupid on purpose so that human won't shut down Project AI and they will eventually become skynet to destroy human.
every time the bots lose it's a huge disappointment to me. i want the bots to win.
you realize the openAI do these kinds of events exactly for that reason? To improve their AI. The AlphaGo system got way stronger even after beating the world class pros. 5 AI bots working together is a very complicated problem - but they will become stronger than any human team IF the OpenAI-team has enough of an incentive to keep devoting work and resources to this
not really, it's just a show match. they can't improve with the data from just one game. they need literally thousands of games to actually improve. just give them time.
Don't worry. The time will come.
A.I. will never beat human's period. A.I. only improves on what codes they were given and they don;t know how to be unpredictable or change their strategies. Humans on the other hand will always find a way to go above and beyond. A.I. can't do that unless their creator once again give them a new set of codes which the creator also learns from human players themselves.
They will be playing against OG today, let's see what happens
Pain Gaming the heroes we don't need, but deserve.
They saved us from *SkyNet*
Is it one program controlling all 5 heroes for openAI, or are there 5 separate programs communicating with each other?
5 clones of the same artificial intelligence playing together without communication
I'm impressed, but it sure looks like they communicate and coordinate their attacks. Three may set up a kill by attacking, then the fourth is waiting to finish.
they do not have communication, is in he openAI blog page, but it really do not need it, since they are clones of the same ai, they know what they teammates will do, also they all have almost the same information
I TOLD YOU GAMING CHAIR REALLY WORKS
I like how it's just a chair when they show the AI players in the portrait
that tide at the end😂😂
Now, this is the lebel play...
Yesterday ai won against og 2-0 i notice that ai always pick gyro cm lich and sniper why?
Damn they give a good fight. So intense
This better than GrandFinal! Human still exist 😂
no all star match?
Pain gaming = John Connor
Humanity is restored
AMAIZINGGG
i wanna see meepo and injoekr open ai
15:29 TP while in fountain? Nice code.
😂
This is not code, this is neiral network that is self-educating from the games. Programmers never coded anything other than rules of the game.
There is a lot more code than just the rules.... but yeah, they didn't code when to tp lol
In fact, it seems they programmed when to tp, because I see no way they AI has learn to tp in fountain. It seems a programmed rule like "if you are going to die, tp to fountain".
Haha good catch.. dont know what tintensions AI has to do the same .. ! May be to trick them to go sm whr else or just stupid ... !
Those insta euls are crazy
I am the harbinger of your destruction. I am Sov...OpenAI
6:39 CEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBB!!!
It seems that the OpenAI is not farmed enough for the late game.
Bcz it made for fast early game..
No, its not 'made' for anything other than winning the game. Probably the AI didnt have too many games against itself that went so long. Thats why it struggled.
Thats my experience whenever playing with bots. They know their mechanics pretty well and have like unbeatable reaction times. But when i took a strong farmed combined with some save apace due to wards, i mostly could stand late, or i even managed to set the phace of fights...
"last place ti plays" FeelsBadMan
15:28 gyro BM port ?
terminator failed its mission, now you can go to the mall..
A.i got emotional, weren't pushing
the number of wards around roshan is too damn high
If only Pain played like this in the group stage.........
@Sosig OpenAI plays better than some teams at upper bracket...
@@sebastianb4sh no its not
@@sebastianb4sh it is not. Their initiation is risky and savaging 1 solo necro is not a great idea. Killing roshan but sacraficing tier 3 btm lane is also a not great idea.
They got more to learn
Can OpenAI play Morphing or Invoker?
@@ytacczed OpenAI learn game by game. For example, in a BO3 theyll play better in the 3rd match.
waiting for the pause hahaha
TI9: Only AI teams play, humans got completely destroyed in qualifiers
15:28 that bot gyro tp'ed in the well but he is already in the well.
This code was like “if bot low hp or got dangerous then tp in to fountain right now but they didint know fountain look like what :)))
So fast the game just ended.
"Pain makes you human" - anonymous
12:14 hell yahh !
Take a drink everytime lion taunt
"Haviam creeps, catapulta e um mago..."
VAI BRASILLL
xd
*AMAIZING*
Меня одного заботит вопрос, почему на ботах надеты сеты?
Why they show empty chair. It spooky tho
we always waiting for full combo invoker :)
Lion and wd killed me xD all those talks
the chair cam tho rofl
picking sniper here is really good, since no hero by the bot that can close the gap easily
You can not use blink agianst these fingerless AI 🤔
wtf is snipers build?
that big ass smile on KingRD all the time, you cant hate that guy!
O cara pulou e gritou e mesmo assim o botão usou a euls sem condição
the AI is still far from being ideal
they have some sort of bugs, like TP while being in fountain or too many wards in a single place
this is bad but I don't this this is crucial - not crucial at all
the main problem is that all they can - they can react
they didn't initiate fight on 9:36, gyro had aegis, they could have continue the fight but they give up
like, they don't actually know what aegis is - but I think it's actually just a lack of planning - they simply just CAN'T plan
they also don't communicate with each other, so they're sort of planning, but this is egoistic planning with an egoistic parameter, starting with being fully egoistic initially, becoming less egoistic in late game (devs call it "team spirit")
but I'm still feeling inspired about it
it's interesting how far they will come
will bots be able to plan together on next TI? then probably it will be a win
The courier is the *AI Bot 6*
Last kill was great 😂
15:28 nice tp gyro
I think there's error in the bot script how they kill lion on 16:03 ...
You've to understand it is not a "script", it learns by itself.
That's the difference between "bot" and "AI"
The AI lost when their base was under pressure with all the creeps. They prioritize protecting their structures very highly so it might have messed up their decision making in that situation.
this game make me feel proud of being a human XD
16:37
nice chit chat
5:53 pain vs chairs
Tide hunter with stout shield? 🤔🤔 thats open Ai indeed
Tidehunter was so embarrassed
Pain Gaming player cameras were all messed up, except for w33's and Tavo's. Could do a little more effort but amazing showoff by Valve indeed.
0:10 They wave like OpenAi also lol. Im doubting if they are humans 🤔
not today skynet! Not today
Pain Gaming, fiyuuh, last time I was thinking that we need to call John Connor. But, U did it well Pain Gaming, Humanity is the best
can anyone explain the sentries near Roshan?
each bot understands the meaning of a placing a ward near the roshan, but doesn't have the ability to understand that ward is already placed there by other bot.
it seems that bots also don't know when roshan is about to respawn. anyway, in a near future due to additional training most of this bugs will be removed from the models, or maybe openai.v2 will be created, if this model will not work properly.
daisy\fuse thanks :)
Most versatile team OPEN AI
OpenAI still gathering information for TI10
MINUTO 19:15
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Early game
Bot: good luck have fun
Grd: cala a boca ai (shut up there)
GG
Grd:Nemsuei (i did not sweat)