Testing the Pearl Mimic PRO for real (live)
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2018
- *************** Based on some comments, I had to update the description: **************
- Y E S,
the cymbals are acoustic, because that's how I like to use edrums on stage (the neighbours won't complain, you know)
- Y E S,
the drumheads are normal mylar heads, because I hate the unnatural rebound of mesh heads (but I use them occasionally, though: • Pearl Mimic PRO demo a... )
- Y E S,
any decent sound module/trigger-to-MIDI converter can handle mylar heads
- N O,
this is not an acoustic kit. Converted edrum kits have been around for 20+ years, so there's nothing new or special to see here in this regard. The drums are completely muffled (stuffed with foam), so they don't produce any musically usable acoustic sound, just like practice pads or other edrum pads
- Y E S,
to the biggest surprise of some commenters, internal drum triggers actually do exist, which is why they're not visible from outside, however, the small cylindrical breakout boxes of the cables (mounted on the vent holes) can be seen on some shots
- Y E S,
the Mimic PRO is visible on the video (e.g. at 3:46), placed on my left, so that I could reach the internal mixer screen when needed.
The rest can be found in the original description below, thanks for reading this before leaving a comment, have fun listening.
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Honestly: if the title weren't so revealing, would you be able you tell that you're not hearing acoustic drums? I surely wouldn't. What do you think? Please leave a comment below.
In case if 7:22 mins is too long for you to watch:
The music starts at 1:47 , at 4:00 the drums get soft with some press rolls and at 5:53 they get very busy with a lot of ghost notes. I think the module performs great in all situations.
I only used 4 outputs, mono kick, mono snare, stereo toms (all close mics), we didn't even need to use the overheads and the room mics (the latter is no surprise in a live situation) to get the right sound.
List of instruments:
Kick: Gth 18 CAT
Snare: Pearl 6.5 MHX
Snare Layer: Dnt 6.5 STL
Toms: Pearl MHX 10", 12", 16", 18"
ATTENTION: The cymbals were acoustic (Turkish Cymbals, Rock Beat, Bee and Stack series)
Triggers: Padtech
I used no on-board fx, but tweaked the envelope and tuning of the toms and the tuning of the Snare Layer.
The rest of the mixing process was the same as that of an acoustic drum recording.
Mimic PRO demo at the Modern Drumcamp '18 in Budapest:
eNerd - drums
Sándor Bikali - bass
Mike Gotthárd - guitar
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Now that was an incredible demonstration
Thanks, Justin, it's great to have you onboard (I surely won't delete this comment ;) ).
Endre eNerd - Question this? Sorry 😐 I’m a bit confused?? As to the kit being used?? What Mesh Heads were you using??
Very confused?? Because those all look like real regular acoustic drum heads??
Never seen Mesh Heads look like this ANYWHERE??
Please let me Fully understand thanks I would appreciate it!
These must have been internal triggers because couldn’t see any head triggers?
Sorry just confused ?
Cheers 🍻
@Peter Griffin Electric drums, thanks for chiming in, I've been a big fan of yours since season 1. As it's mentioned in the description, the triggers are Padtech, you'll find links elsewhere in the comments. The heads are regular mylar heads. I don't like the rebound of mesh heads and got tired of getting used to them every time I switched from acoustic to electronic drums. Technically it makes no difference, it's just a matter of taste, most sound modules can handle both.
Endre eNerd - WoW 😮 that’s Sooo Awesome 😎
Thank YoU 🙏😁
sounds great! thanks for the demo! fun looking kit to play by the way! I love my hihat in front of me like yours. COOL JAM!
Sweet stuff man! I use E-cymbals with internal triggers and mess heads and have been on the fence about the split hybrid setup. My father uses the TD50 with acoustic cymbals that I made a few videos (in the studio) but live performance is where it would make the most impact. Also saving GOBS of time during soundcheck with each drum (which hardly any sound guy does anyway) It makes me want to take my Mimic out live now with my acoustic cymbals!! Thanks for the video and the confidence to do it!
Wow. That was fantastic!! Great jam!
Wow! Fantastic!
Excellent performance!
Actually THIS is the MOST Logical set up I have seen in a LONG time . . . Hi Hat (cable link) in the CENTER with other drums around it. Most songs have hi hat being played 80 to 90% of the time! Have always wanted to try this . . . an this guy just proved the concept! WAY TO GO!!!
Check Bill Buford around the late 1970s....😂😂😂 there's nothing new under the sun
This is exactly how I would set up a hybrid set. Real cymbals, hidden triggers on real drums. Thank you so much for this demo. Truly, a fantastic presentation. Does using the Padtech triggers allow the acoustic sound of the drums to be heard as well? OMG! I need this module. lol.
Great drumming, great song!
I’m fully outfitted with the PMP and Padtech triggers. Thank you!!!
Now, have you played the padtech’s with both regular and mesh heads? With regular heads, did you get better or worse triggering and was it a dramatic difference in trigger settings? Thanks!
The triggering performance is pretty much the same. Set up requires some tweaking, most importantly adjusting the gain, because mylar heads produce a much hotter signal.
Wish you had played a few measures in diff kit sounds. Perfect demo video.
I do at the end of this one: ua-cam.com/video/j2Alw-hPHGk/v-deo.html
sounds spot on on! wonderful
Quality 👌👌👌
I see you have a behringer DI rack to your left. Would you recommend sending your outs through a DI and then to FOH to eliminate noise just in case or would you say its fine to send it straight from the mimic to FOH usin 1/4" to XLR?
All Mimic PRO outputs are balanced, so they don't need a DI box. If you need balanced XLR connections, the best thing is to use TRS jack-to-XLR cables or use such adapters for the main outs and get a DB25-to-XLR cable for outputs 7-14.
The only reason why they connected them through the Ultra DI that time was probably because the local crew didn't have TRS jack-to-XLR cables or adapters (which is likely to happen at other venues, too, so it makes sense to get your own).
This is mind blowing! Can you tell what kick, snare and toms were used?
And I'm especially interested in toms. They sound unbelievably good!
that's because there are not real Toms ;-) He is triggering a mimic Pro module! Best electronic Drum module ever (with SSD5 Samples.)
I got the module back, so here's the list of instruments:
Kick: Gth 18 CAT
Snare: Pearl 6.5 MHX
Snare Layer: Dnt 6.5 STL
Toms: Pearl MHX 10", 12", 16", 18"
I used no on-board fx, but tweaked the envelope and tuning of the toms and the tuning of the Snare Layer.
The rest of the mixing process was the same as that of an acoustic drum recording.
Can it trigger the old Simmons (hexagonal shape) pads from the 80s?
If you meant to ask whether the old Simmons pads could trigger the Mimic Pro, then the answer is yes, they should work fine. However, those were single zone pads, so you'd lose the dual zone capabilities of the Mimic.
Woah very nice song 👌🏻
Hello friend, wonderful, could you please tell me what kind of trigger you installed in kick? Thank you very much and congratulations, I loved your video.
padtechdrums.com/en/trigger
hi Endre, I see in that link only the internal triggers for toms and snare, but can I deduce that you used TR-B2 KICK DRUM TRIGGER? thanks friend.
yes
Thanks for your help my Friend! Regards!
Had to have used the main stereo outputs too. So more like 6 right? The cymbals only come out of the Overhead outputs. Need more details on how you did this. Performance was terrific btw... just need more info.
Thanks, only four outputs were used: mono kick, mono snare, stereo toms, all closeup mics, no overhead and room ambience channels. The hall had its own ambience, so I wasn't surprised about the latter, but during the soundcheck we decided that we didn't need the overhead channel either and that surprised me a little. The cymbals were acoustic.
Wow! So you triggered this? How do you trigger the cymbals?
As stated in the description:
ATTENTION: The cymbals were acoustic (Turkish Cymbals, Rock Beat, Bee and Stack series).
The drums were triggered with Padtech triggers. I prefer the look and feel of acoustic cymbals and mylar heads. I only use ecymbals and mesh heads when the kit must be silent: ua-cam.com/video/j2Alw-hPHGk/v-deo.html
I'm interested in these types of triggers. I'd like to know if you still hear the acoustic sounds of the drum. Or is the head muted so much that the acoustic aspect is no longer there. Thanks for any info you can provide on this topic. I can't find any other videos using this internal triggering system.
My drums are completely muffled (the shells are stuffed with foam), but the triggers themselves have a foam ring that muffles the acoustic sound quite a lot anyway, so they can't really be used for preserving the acoustic sound of toms and mixing it with some samples.
However, they might work for snare and kick, depending on your personal taste: if you don't feel the dampening effect of the foam ring too much, then you can use them in conjunction with the acoustic sound.
E.g. Dennis Chambers tried the snare trigs on an acoustic snare last October at Pearl HQ and he liked the acoustic sound. He said it didn't sound more dead than if there'd been some tape stuck on the snare head. So, it all depends on one's personal taste and tuning.
Here's Gergo Borlai using the same triggers:
ua-cam.com/video/eER5xSXEH9w/v-deo.html
@@EndreeNerd That's awesome! Thank you very much Endre. I love your video BTW. Thanks again.
Curious what snare sample on the mimic you recall using on this? Some of the samples sound a bit plastic for my taste but this one live sounds fantastic.
See the desciption:
List of instruments:
Kick: Gth 18 CAT
Snare: Pearl 6.5 MHX
Snare Layer: Dnt 6.5 STL
Toms: Pearl MHX 10", 12", 16", 18"
...
Triggers: Padtech
I used no on-board fx, but tweaked the envelope and tuning of the toms and the tuning of the Snare Layer. The rest of the mixing process was the same as that of an acoustic drum recording.
@@EndreeNerd Thank you! I must have read past the description too fast.
Do you only use two overhead mics? Do you apply any High Pass Filter to reject mylar head noise?
Very interesting question, thanks. Yes, there is a HP filter on the overhead mics (two mics were used as if it were a normal acoustic kit). They only had to pick up the cymbals so the low range was not really needed, but unfortunately that was not enough, because the impact of the stick on a mylar head has a lot of high frequency content which is in the same range where the cymbals are and that's where the tricky part comes...
Luckily these "clicks" are very short and they're much louder than the cymbals, so I used a reverse gate to filter them out: the overhead channel gets muted when the signal is above the threshold (i.e. when a mylar head is hit). So if you soloed the overhead channel, you'd probably hear these short gaps, but they're not audible in the full mix at all because they're really short (around 2-3 milliseconds) and because at the same time you hear the attack portion of the drum sound coming from the Mimic PRO.
The reverse gate effect is achieved by using a phase reversed copy of the overhead channel with a normal noise gate in the insert. This means that the original overhead channel plays back as normal until a drum stroke opens the noise gate on the phase reversed channel, which cancels the original overhead channel, so that it doesn't interfere with the Mimic PRO drum sounds.
It may sound complicated, but it's been tested on most of my other edrum videos through many years and works perfectly fine.
@@EndreeNerd Thank you for the reply. I would never have thouht to this solution!! Quite brilliant!!
Sounds great 👍 that’s a very unique drum setup. I’ve only see. A a very few people use that, most famously Danny Carey from Tool. The Pearl mimic amazing piece of drum technology. Hopefully Toon track with EZ-drummer or SD3 will team up with a drum manufacturer and make a VST drum module similar to Pearl with SSD5. VST’s give you the absolute best sounding drum kits and complete control over your sounds. The biggest issue is when having to use a laptop on stage that introduces a bunch of potential technical issues. That’s main reason I prefer drum modules to VST’s at least for live use. My strike module can load in multi layer vst samples, however the catch is a 200 mb kit limit:( I know 2box can do the same and only limit is your storage capacity on SD card....... I’m not a fan of 2box user interface, but too each their own
what kind of triggers are you using? do you have any sound from the actual venue or just out of the front of house board?
padtechdrums.com/en/trigger
They're rock solid (you can see I'm a hard hitter) and very easy to install: you just need to put the tray on the bearing edge below the drumhead and that's it. The're dual sensor, they work well with most Roland modules, 2Box (the rim triggering needs some fine tuning, though) and the Mimic PRO.
It's a multitrack recording, just like any properly made concert video. The FOH sound is part of the mix, we used a pair of mics to capture the hall ambience.
At last!!! some one with enough balls to play an Edrum live REAL LIVE!, I would liked even more if you could have used some Jobecky e-Cymbals (looks real, check them out)
Yes, they look good, but I don't have access to them right now and I'm really fussy about the hihat. So far I haven't seen an ehihat that I was happy with.
I've heard that the ATV hi hats are the most responsive e-hats made. I'd be interested in your opinion if you get a chance to try them.
Which triggers are you using?
padtechdrums.com/en/trigger
Looks killer!
Those look very cool. Only a drum key needed to install. Very nice.
Sounds great!Quick question:The drumheads you are using dont look like meshheads to me..Are they acoustic ones?
Yes. I don't like the feel of mesh heads and I got tired of having to get used to them every time I switched to them from mylar heads, so I use mylar heads wherever I can. It also helps on a live stage, because although the drums are completely muffled, the impact of the sticks on mylar heads still produces a short clicking sound (with no sustain), so the others in the band can hear me better and they don't have to rely on the monitors only.
@@EndreeNerd Nice!Havent realized that the triggers will perform good with mylar heads too
Came here for Mimic Pro info, ended up rocking the fuck out.
So I’m guessing the cymbals are not electric and the pad tech triggers are the donut looking ones ? Are the Mylar heads much louder then mesh ?
Yes, the cymbals are acoustic (as stated in the description).
Yes, the triggers are the donut-shaped ones, except the kick trig, which wasn't available at the time, so it's the traditional design -a metal frame attached to the lug screws. (The donut-shaped trigs have become available for kick drums in the meantime in two sizes, 20" and 22").
Mylar heads are obviously louder than mesh heads, but the playing experience is much closer to acoustic drums, so I use them whenever possible. The drums are padded with foam blocks touching both batter and reso heads, so they're not as loud as an acoustic drum.
Real cymbals are the way to go. The decay and attack are really hard to get right. How much muffling or drum stuffing do you actually do to keep the drums from sounding rather than triggering? Thanks and awesome example.
Formerly I used small chunks of foam (chunks had a similar size to popcorn), but in this kit there are solid blocks of foam. The height of each block is slightly bigger than the height of the drum shell, so the block is sitting on the bottom head and top of it is a few mm-s above the top bearing edge.
@@EndreeNerdI can see the internal triggers would be installed underneath the drum head, I’m guessing placed on the bearing edge. But if you have a block of foam cut to be few mm above the bearing edge how is this not impacting the trigger insert? Any chance you can walk me through this process? I want to attempt this same setup myself and make sure I do it right. Is it as simple as just pushing down on the foam with the insert and pushing down with the head to secure everything in place?
Your playing and demo was awesome! Loved it!
@@jovanbunjevic1723 here's an installation tutorial of Padtech, I've been using their triggers for many years. The only difference between the snare in the video and my kit is that I don't use mesh-heads, so my drums are much louder acoustically, which is why they padded with extra sponge blocks. Their protrusion above the bearing edge is about the same as the triggers (1-2 mm). I didn't notice any impact of them on the triggering performance. ua-cam.com/video/FlfhAAgAUI4/v-deo.html
@@EndreeNerd Ahh, makes sense. Yes, I actually watched this last night! Thanks for the response! Hopefully, I’ll be able to order some for myself here in the states - definitely want to get these!
@@jovanbunjevic1723 that could be difficult because despite the great product and the favorable reviews they don't give a sɥᴉʇ about international sales. Email me if you need help and drop a reminder here to check my mailbox (contact details on endre-enerd˙ɔoɯ).
What is the name of the song?
Good question. As I said in the intro, it's just memories of the jamming we had at a rehearsal two days before the drumcamp. What should it be called?
@@EndreeNerd "Standing inside an odd atmosphere" Haha sorry I did my best. Sounds amazing!
I don't get it, where are the triggers?
ua-cam.com/video/Wpk70Pv_D6U/v-deo.html
Yeah well this is pretty dope. My next project will probably be converting a Gretsch to edrum. I hate tuning. I suck at it. It's loud, and inconsistent depending on your sound person. Fuck it
Ya, it cant tell theyre electric drums
Don't see any triggers. Are you triggering acoustic head? It does not look like mesh heads.
padtechdrums.com/en/trigger
They're rock solid (you can see I'm a hard hitter) and very easy to install: you just need to put the tray on the bearing edge below the drumhead and that's it. The're dual sensor, they work well with most Roland modules, 2Box (the rim triggering needs some fine tuning, though) and the Mimic PRO.
were the cymbals acoustic or triggered?
Acoustic
Which of their triggers was used for the bass drum? Tr-b2 external mounted trigger?
Yes, but it's actually an internal trigger held in place by the lug screws.
Guitarist not allowed to use branded guitars?
acoustic heads? real cymbals not triggered i do not get it? i play full edrum kit live ecymbals mesh heads , so no acoustic sound ,in this video the band can still hear a full acoustic kit, its not convincing to me lol
ua-cam.com/video/mG2dNkwuxIc/v-deo.html
I couldn’t agree more. I was about to accuse them of being misleading, nothing looking electric, no drum module or anything. It was an all acoustic set to my eyes and ears.
Maybe I’m just blind but I didn’t see anything electric on that kit, no mesh heads or pearl mimic module, no electric drums, no electric crash, ride or even hi-hat. Didn’t see any drum triggers either. This was an all acoustic kit! Great song but I didn’t watch this video to see another acoustic rock band. I wanted to hear and see the mimic pearl used in a live setting and nothing about this appeared to be that. Again, cool song and skill. With all that said, if there is triggers under heads and you are using the pearl mimic then it sounds fantastic.
lollolol. If nothing is electronic and all you've seen is an acoustic kit then where are the mics?
I've always been puzzled why people don't bother reading the video description or the other comments before making their own, but here you go:
1. in the video description:
"ATTENTION: The cymbals were acoustic (Turkish Cymbals, Rock Beat, Bee and Stack series), Triggers: Padtech"
in a comment reply to Pratt O'Malley:
"ATTENTION: The cymbals were acoustic (Turkish Cymbals, Rock Beat, Bee and Stack series)", they were recorded with overheads, just like in a normal kit. Padtech triggers are cca. 80-90 USD each. Thanks to this video US distribution is under way, hopefully to be announced at the NAMM'19.",
in a comment reply to powerkor:
"padtechdrums.com/en/trigger They're rock solid (you can see I'm a hard hitter) and very easy to install: you just need to put the tray on the bearing edge below the drumhead and that's it. The're dual sensor, they work well with most Roland modules, 2Box (the rim triggering needs some fine tuning, though) and the Mimic PRO."
2. I wonder where you would have put the Mimic module to make it more visible, but instead of sticking it on my forehead I decided to place it right next to me on my left side, so that I could easily reach the touchscreen, as can be seen at 3:46.
3. About your complaint about not seeing mesh heads: I honestly don't have a clue where this idea of "edrums must have mesh heads" come from, but fyi: mesh heads were introduced in 1997, edrums have been around since the late 60's. So you can guess that during the first 30 years hundreds of edrum products were made, all using various playing surfaces like rubber, plastic, PU foam etc. including mylar heads -like the legendary ddrum pads. If you decide to check the triggering menu of any decent drum module, you'll find that they all can handle mylar heads (which mostly, but not exclusively means that they can reduce the trigger input gain to handle the much hotter signal that mylar heads produce). So, if you have a proper drum module, it's a matter of personal preference what type of heads you use.
Beautiful sounds, not synthesized.
This is BS. Where are the triggers? Booooo.
Thanks for watching. Unfortunately I can't offer you lessons in good manners or how to make comments without making an idiot of yourself, but welcome to the world of internal drum triggers and converted acoustic shells. They've been around like 20 years. Here's some good reading to start with: padtechdrums.com/en/trigger/36-tr-d-trigger - www.drum-tec.com/sets - jobekydrums.co.uk/product-category/e-kits/ - www.atvcorporation.com/en/products/drums/adrums/