Ranking EVERY Character in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe!

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  • Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
  • These are my rankings for EVERY character in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe! With 53 characters and only a select few being among the best characters for online play, where do the other characters fall on the skill level totem pole? Watch this video and find out for yourself!
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  • @Vroemo
    @Vroemo 25 днів тому +62

    10:08 That transition from inkling boy to Villager was so smooth!

    • @Pascalk823
      @Pascalk823 23 дні тому +9

      You are right, it was so smooth, that I did not evev notice it when watching it the first time

    • @INTScar
      @INTScar День тому +1

      @@Pascalk823 same!

  • @TrevorTreefortShorts
    @TrevorTreefortShorts 25 днів тому +81

    3:39 I felt that “MID” in my soul

  • @progamer69243
    @progamer69243 25 днів тому +37

    Ironically baby peach and daisy hold a ton of world records

    • @brycemkw
      @brycemkw 25 днів тому +11

      They used to pre balance patch, but Yoshi is just better and took their spot. The babies only have 4 WRs left out of 192 categories now, and that number will only go down

    • @Adisonadibeba
      @Adisonadibeba 25 днів тому +1

      @@brycemkwthere are 192 possible time trial records

    • @brycemkw
      @brycemkw 25 днів тому

      @@Adisonadibeba lol forgot the bcp doubled the records, shows the fall off of the babies even more though

  • @TRWario
    @TRWario 25 днів тому +137

    This is truly a Ranking EVERY Character in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe! moment

  • @l1ammk
    @l1ammk 25 днів тому +39

    6:13 I rate this highly John nice one

  • @generaljf7233
    @generaljf7233 25 днів тому +48

    Btw Baby class is the meta in Battle mode (small hitbox and great mts, speed sucks in battle) and they are the most aesthetic so use them in lounge pwease

    • @Matanumi
      @Matanumi 25 днів тому +3

      No one really plays battle though

    • @Paperboy01234
      @Paperboy01234 25 днів тому +2

      Which Baby Class, there are three of them.

    • @Ethan_Buchanan
      @Ethan_Buchanan 25 днів тому +1

      200cc as well.

    • @dramotarker1352
      @dramotarker1352 25 днів тому +2

      ​@@Paperboy01234 All of them, but mostly the dry bones class. Speed still matters a _little_ - and there's no real downside, since any handling past level 15 is basically useless.
      Lemmy class would be second place, and baby peach class third place. Acceleration has a small breakpoint at level 20, and the baby peach class is missing one level of acceleration compared to the other baby classes. Acceleration matters more in some game modes than others, but on average it's still better than the negligable handling and _litterally_ useless traction stat (only slippery terrain is the rainy section on the top of the mansion stage lol)

    • @Yoshi14838
      @Yoshi14838 25 днів тому +1

      @@Ethan_Buchanannot meta on 200cc either yoshi class is still the best on 200cc but thier definitely better on 200 though than on 150

  • @PrincessAzelfy
    @PrincessAzelfy 25 днів тому +32

    The fact no one uses iggy when comparing to luigi and kamek is understandable because just like petey iggy's hair is covering you're screen just barely

  • @nintendolife25
    @nintendolife25 22 дні тому +6

    As someone who normally uses Mario, Yoshi, and Peach, I’m completely satisfied to see they are relatively good or high tier. :)

  • @yolopologolo
    @yolopologolo 22 дні тому +5

    just realized that Daisy hasn't left the meta since Double Dash 😭😭

  • @the_champ_101
    @the_champ_101 25 днів тому +10

    Great tier list! One note: Heavy Mii now shares the same stats as Wario, Dry Bowser, and Funky Kong thanks to a change in Wave 5, Version 2.4.0

  • @DBogie
    @DBogie 25 днів тому +16

    *ANGRY TROY NOISES*
    Edit: Heavy Mii is actually in the same stat class as Dry Bowser, Wario, and Funky Kong, not Bowser and Morton.

    • @NationGiviner321
      @NationGiviner321 25 днів тому

      That's just wrong Heavy mii shares same stats as bowser

    • @DBogie
      @DBogie 25 днів тому

      @@NationGiviner321For some reason heavy mii got moved between stat classes after wave 5

    • @HollowPass
      @HollowPass 25 днів тому

      Nuh uh

    • @OceanBoardwalk1232nd
      @OceanBoardwalk1232nd 4 дні тому +1

      ​@@HollowPassIt did actually

  • @ToadetteTails6969
    @ToadetteTails6969 25 днів тому +30

    "If your favourite character isn't Yoshi or Birdo, then now you know how good your favourite character is in MK8DX."
    Me, a Toadette enjoyer: ... (I am deceased) 💀

  • @Conning157
    @Conning157 11 днів тому +2

    This entire video for me was just praying for my favorite character to be in good or higher

  • @MRM_Petey
    @MRM_Petey 24 дні тому +6

    3:47 HEYYYYY I won’t accept this disrespect

  • @Puckmanfan
    @Puckmanfan 25 днів тому +11

    I wish in the next Mario kart game the characters stat doesn’t matter too much just so I can play as koopa troopa peacefully

    • @dervilagilchrist352
      @dervilagilchrist352 23 дні тому

      Same

    • @bishpls4648
      @bishpls4648 18 днів тому

      Same, I love playing as Pink Gold Peach but the fact that metal characters are so heavy makes it difficult

    • @Puckmanfan
      @Puckmanfan 18 днів тому

      @@bishpls4648 seeing someone who like play pink gold peach is so rare

    • @bishpls4648
      @bishpls4648 18 днів тому

      @@Puckmanfan its probably bc she’s heavy… or is there another reason? Lol

    • @Puckmanfan
      @Puckmanfan 18 днів тому

      @@bishpls4648 mainly because she was over hated for being a peach clone and wasting the character slot

  • @avannarose22
    @avannarose22 25 днів тому +2

    yo !!! this video was awesome!!! the transitions from inkling boy to villager on 10:13 was such a nice touch !!

  • @JamesVaden-bn4jq
    @JamesVaden-bn4jq 25 днів тому +4

    The most accurate tier list by far. And as someone who likes to stand out from the Yoshi class, Medium Mii and Inkling Boy have been my go to choices since this meta changed. It’s cool to know that the disadvantages to the best characters from the classes I’ve been using are little to none 👍🏽

  • @jacobraun93
    @jacobraun93 25 днів тому

    great vid man! super helpful as usual. would love a track ranking video as well!

  • @bobbirino
    @bobbirino 25 днів тому +3

    john going from praising gla to calling invincibility unimportant the character arc i like to see

  • @moinmaster6438
    @moinmaster6438 15 днів тому

    this video is so well made, wow I absolutely love the way the character showcase on the right side turned out. Absolutely beautiful

  • @h3r01cviii5
    @h3r01cviii5 25 днів тому +2

    one thing to note is that im not sure when this change occured, but large mii now shares stats with the wario class instead of bowser's

  • @sperklebonge.
    @sperklebonge. 25 днів тому +8

    I wonder if diddy kong was at the diddy parties 🤔

  • @kishiberohan7955
    @kishiberohan7955 14 днів тому +2

    I find it funny that Daisy has been meta in two kart games

  • @jaryngillick4494
    @jaryngillick4494 22 дні тому +2

    Apart from one or two needless nitpicks, this list is solid, IMO!
    The only amendment I really think needs to be made is that the 'Cat Peach' class should be moved into the 'Good' tier with the 'Rosilna' class (and debatable in which order between the two), and the 'Mario' and 'Luigi' classes moved into the 'Borderline Meta' tier (or frankly just put at the bottom of 'Meta').
    Short explanation:
    You've basically insisted that the 'Mario/Luigi' classes can only function on 'Mr. Scooty', robbing them of their natural higher Speed, rather than on 'Teddy Buggy'. Putting 'Mario/Luigi' on 'Teddy Buggy' means they trade off one point in Mini-Turbo for one in Speed whereas the 'Cat Peach' class trades off TWO points in Speed for only ONE in Mini-turbo (due to a naturally lower Speed/Mini-turbo ratio overall).
    But even if you insist on putting the 'Mario/Luigi' classes on 'Mr. Scooty' they still beat out the 'Cat Peach' class on 'Teddy Buggy' in a side-by-side comparison in every Stat except a minor one in either Handling OR Traction (depending on whether you pick the Mario or Luigi class) and a minor one in Invincibility (which you yourself, said was basically irrelevant). Check for yourselves on mk8dxbuilder.com/ if you are interested.
    DL;DR - 'Mario/Luigi' classes > 'Cat Peach' class.

  • @kierancalverley220
    @kierancalverley220 25 днів тому +4

    I'm still sad wiggler wiggler never got the time in the spotlight that it deserved

  • @ZeronimeYT
    @ZeronimeYT 3 години тому

    Wow I'm playing as Daisy when I didn't know this all.
    I just playing as Daisy because she is a girl and adult.

  • @personamusicintensifies6341
    @personamusicintensifies6341 24 дні тому

    This is an amazingly structured video!

  • @natk205
    @natk205 23 дні тому +1

    Yoshi practically has a harem while sitting at the top of 8DX's meta. He has Peach, Daisy, Birdo and Peachette with him at the top, while making himself the face of the weight class.

  • @Leol_69
    @Leol_69 25 днів тому +2

    I'm happy to be a member today

  • @TheSongNote
    @TheSongNote 25 днів тому +1

    I stood Daisy for this video 🫡
    Excellent job, John.

  • @woomy4839
    @woomy4839 25 днів тому

    This is what I mean man! The character variety that's meta in mario kart 8 deluxe is GENUINELY so diverse compared to prior mario kart metas! People just fail to see it man! Even then you could win going off meta as well! It's what I love about this game and it's what I love most about comp mario kart! You should perhaps do a teir list of best vehicles and glider!

  • @NZDarkey
    @NZDarkey 25 днів тому +21

    Daisy is for sure the best character of this game!

    • @jimrdm71
      @jimrdm71 25 днів тому

      WAIT WHY IS YOUR COMMENT WAY BEFORE THE VIDEO UPLOADED

    • @saul_goodman15
      @saul_goodman15 25 днів тому

      @@jimrdm71prob a big

    • @saul_goodman15
      @saul_goodman15 25 днів тому

      bug

    • @jimrdm71
      @jimrdm71 25 днів тому

      @@4Banana_ Does that mean early access to videos?

    • @AshleyDease
      @AshleyDease 25 днів тому

      💯💯💯

  • @EventHorizon_14
    @EventHorizon_14 25 днів тому +2

    Personally, I would rather use any of the characters in the good tier rather than Diddy Kong’s class. I feel that the lack of 2 speed is too much to sacrifice for the 1 mini turbo.

  • @Sjoerttt
    @Sjoerttt 25 днів тому

    I love this vid, thanks!

  • @SlapShineVods-ib7dm
    @SlapShineVods-ib7dm 25 днів тому

    Very nice video JPG

  • @MrKoopa-un2vf
    @MrKoopa-un2vf 25 днів тому +2

    I'll make my boi work, just you wait!

  • @CookieCat268
    @CookieCat268 25 днів тому +2

    Yoshi has been my favorite character ever since I started playing mariokart on the 3ds, so I'm glad it's one of the best in mk8 deluxe.
    10:30

  • @minibang2543
    @minibang2543 25 днів тому

    I like playing as Rosalina and the lightweights!
    Sometimes I turn myself off from the meta for a while but this is a good list!

  • @itstherealmario81
    @itstherealmario81 25 днів тому

    LET'S GOOOOO, my boy Mario is good! W tier list

  • @gamerookie09
    @gamerookie09 23 дні тому +1

    Finally, a legit tier list video based on the meta, and not by “do I like the character or not takes”

    • @G_come_Gelo
      @G_come_Gelo 22 дні тому

      i absolutely know where you’re coming from and i agree with you so much

  • @MrT3a
    @MrT3a 25 днів тому +1

    One thing to consider and always remember: gear isn't skill.
    You can use meta combos, if you're not training offline and time trialing, you'll still struggle with finding success.

  • @MKD8dx
    @MKD8dx 21 день тому +1

    Actually The heavy miis share stats with funky kong, not morton

  • @mkwpatsfan
    @mkwpatsfan 25 днів тому

    I think that the superheavies (Bowser class) and the Funky class were left severely underrated because if you are at an anti-gravity section, for some reason, Mini Turbo isn't always the way to go. There happen to be quite a bit of anti gravity sections in the game and some tracks don't have a single area without anti-gravity physics. This type of track also has quite a lot of boost panels.

  • @Froque17
    @Froque17 17 днів тому

    We need this for the Kart Combinations!

  • @Pikalaugh433
    @Pikalaugh433 25 днів тому +1

    Good day to be a member! (I was one in 10 that got gifted it)

  • @clascyjitto
    @clascyjitto 25 днів тому +1

    toadette has swag so it's okay.

  • @qiupika11
    @qiupika11 25 днів тому

    I really respect wr holders like Yerson to use the Tanooki class instead of the yoshi class when there isnt slippery road in the track.

  • @nesitaito3391
    @nesitaito3391 19 днів тому +1

    Daisy being high tier in smash and kart😎

  • @TanBrosSAndYYT
    @TanBrosSAndYYT 22 дні тому

    Koopa was done dirty with the stats but I see people get a lot of success with this character online somehow

  • @jmagicd9831
    @jmagicd9831 25 днів тому +1

    I'm surprised Yoshi and Birdo didn't get their own tier since there is a difference taking them into competitive vs Peach, Daisy, or Peachette. The latter three will stand out on the minimap for things like target shocks if, suppose that the MVP is on one of those characters. Yoshi and Birdo by comparison blend in to the crowd so your teammate has to track which color you are using, but you don't immediately standout as someone who is safe to hit.

  • @dathbaeder
    @dathbaeder 17 днів тому

    As soon as Birdo was announced I knew I had to use her exclusively since she's my favorite Mario character, and the fact that she's one of the best characters in the game is such a plus

  • @speedy31907
    @speedy31907 8 годин тому

    I don't really see people use Birdo a whole lot. For me, it's usually Yoshi and Daisy (my personal favorite). I find it to be interesting that I see Daisy more often than Peach online. I wonder if Mario Kart Wii's Metas have something to do with this.

  • @lizthelen8047
    @lizthelen8047 2 дні тому

    the fact that pink gold peach isn’t on “should retire is crazy

  • @dravendfr
    @dravendfr 15 днів тому

    They really need to include the background stats in the visual comparison in game, especially one as important as mini turbo. This list would almost flip on its head if mini turbo didn’t exist, or, like me, you didn’t know it existed and you were going off of the game stats to make build decisions.

  • @G_come_Gelo
    @G_come_Gelo 22 дні тому +1

    With how powerful peach and daisy are both in mario kart and smash bros, i’m surprised they aren’t both QUEENS yet

    • @theking8347
      @theking8347 21 день тому

      Daisy has a dad that's still alive

  • @itz_owenxd8455
    @itz_owenxd8455 25 днів тому

    If I hear another pop sound effect I'll go crazy!

  • @joesutton4267
    @joesutton4267 25 днів тому

    10:14
    that is one of the cleanest edist ive ever seen :O

  • @fallgg2965
    @fallgg2965 22 дні тому

    do more ranking videos i like it!

  • @turzaicrew
    @turzaicrew 25 днів тому +1

    It would not hurt me to swich the Mario class to the top of good

  • @MasonS39
    @MasonS39 23 дні тому

    Me, a Baby Rosalina main: *slightly depressed
    I'm still gonna try dominate Mario Kart online with Baby Rosalina

  • @ZekeClowzer
    @ZekeClowzer 12 днів тому

    Petey and wiggler so hype they have their own class

  • @vegetables1593
    @vegetables1593 25 днів тому +2

    As a diehard Lemmy main since 2014, this is unfortunate.
    At least Daisy is a queen here! I love using her as well

    • @ouch325
      @ouch325 5 днів тому

      I mean, it’s not your fault lemmy is the best koopaling.

  • @aj4909
    @aj4909 19 днів тому

    I’m going down the Mario kart rabbit hole on social media. I’m going to be great at this game again. Mario kart 7 was good but this is such a better game

  • @DryAMP813
    @DryAMP813 25 днів тому

    Thank you for not putting Dry Bones on Should Retire so I feel not as wrong using him (you cannot stop me btw)

  • @ThreeHeadedGhast
    @ThreeHeadedGhast 22 дні тому

    Never thought I'd see Wiggler & Shy Guy be put in the Decent tier. I always saw them as the Meta, in my eyes.

  • @PeachyFanboy
    @PeachyFanboy 25 днів тому

    As someone who mains Peach and Peachette, I see this as a massive win

  • @JoshZaytoun
    @JoshZaytoun 12 днів тому

    If you place Baby Peach and Baby Daisy in last place, you know you have no idea.

  • @MBYui
    @MBYui 23 дні тому +1

    I'll never use teddy buggy or mr scooter ever

  • @NoodleGGaming
    @NoodleGGaming 25 днів тому +1

    Who cares about stats when you have funky kong

  • @turtlenator6249
    @turtlenator6249 25 днів тому +1

    Still Dry Bowser for life.

  • @ivanluke3057
    @ivanluke3057 25 днів тому

    Seeing Lemmy at the bottom hurts😂. I main him on the varmint bike and was able to reach 10k vr in just a few days. Now, I just get my ass kicked every race now. You really feel his low speed (and weight) stat come into play with how others easily overtake him during races. Stuck at 12k vr currently and I'm thinking of switching to Green Birdo on Varmint.

  • @goofyfish17
    @goofyfish17 24 дні тому

    Damn, Koopa and Dry Bones are two of my favorite characters....

  • @NoN053
    @NoN053 21 день тому

    3:19 I felt that!

  • @gianlucarey5508
    @gianlucarey5508 21 день тому

    This man never misses.

  • @cindyodell6358
    @cindyodell6358 15 днів тому

    The meadow in my opinion in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is Lemmy on the moped with roller Wheels Cloud glider check its stats and it has full speed

  • @Jallu999
    @Jallu999 25 днів тому

    Another Jpg banger

  • @steady_94
    @steady_94 20 днів тому

    So happy Yoshi is top spot. He's my main in every game

  • @Teh-Dee-bear
    @Teh-Dee-bear 25 днів тому

    It’s kinda sad to see that both of my favourite characters Koopa and Wiggler aren’t even good in this meta. But I’m also glad that I’ve dropped them both to become a medium Mii main, so I can keep the Wiggler suit while having more optimal stats! 🐻👍

  • @h3r01cviii5
    @h3r01cviii5 25 днів тому

    YOU KNOW WHAT'S NEXT TO DO JOHN, YOU CANT RUN FROM IT FOREVER, WHAT DO YOU DO AFTER YOU SELECT YOUR CHARACTER AND COMBO?

  • @XNDL44
    @XNDL44 18 днів тому +1

    Yeah I am still playing baby Peach

  • @mastrorick
    @mastrorick 10 днів тому

    As someone who never uses teddybuggy or mr scotty, I am very confused

  • @CSsamuriGaming
    @CSsamuriGaming 13 днів тому

    Personally, I prefer the high speed characters. With low speed karts & stuff, they're handling is good, and have great speed & mini-turbo. Also, seeing Bowser on a tiny scooter is funny.

  • @vivian5294
    @vivian5294 25 днів тому

    Can you make a tier list for the frames and wheels?

  • @IkeemFrancis
    @IkeemFrancis 16 днів тому

    You hurt my heart when you put baby princess retire tier

  • @h3r01cviii5
    @h3r01cviii5 25 днів тому +10

    in my personal opinion, peachette should have NEVER been a part of the yoshi class, and EVERYONE knows diddy does not belong in his class either. what nintendo SHOULD have done is place peachette in the cat peach class and put diddy in the tanooki mario class, that way the characters with them make more sense, and peachette wont be meta and diddy will. Win-Win

    • @Paperboy01234
      @Paperboy01234 25 днів тому +1

      Nah, I think it does fine, after all Peachette is a very underappreciated and disliked character, and putting her in the Yoshi class was her only chance at getting used often, sure enough it worked. I do agree with Diddy Kong being in the Cat Peach class, as he would have fit the Tanooki Mario Class much better.

    • @h3r01cviii5
      @h3r01cviii5 25 днів тому

      @@Paperboy01234 yeah but thats the thing, why would you put a character in a certain class just to be used more, like you wouldn't put funky kong in the yoshi class cause he's universally beloved cause that would make no sense, and of any character to make more use of, why peachette? shes bland and boring, has no actual character in the mario universe LITERALLY just being the global image of a power up, and her voice lines are annoying as hell, normal peach and daisy are much better choices to play as then her and the only reason she DOES get used is cause the best mario kart player Kusaan uses her and japanese ppl always have been fanboys of him (also the reason excitebike gets picked so much) i could write multiple essays about why i hate peachette, but i wont do it here cause ik ppl dont take THIS much time to read comments so yeah

    • @Paperboy01234
      @Paperboy01234 25 днів тому

      @@h3r01cviii5 Peachette has been commonly used a lot when she was released when Wave 6 came out, but it since died down, but she still is used here and there.
      And having Japanese people follow the “best” 8DX player in the game by doing whatever he does (Except for racing lines and item management) is kind of silly. It should always be noted that anything aside from Yoshi Teddy/Scooty will lower your chances of winning (If not in a lounge setting), and there has been times where he used off meta picks and still wins, but that’s just because he knows what he’s doing.
      As for Excitebike, so what if it’s his favorite track or something, it’s a very hard track to master, whether you’re bagging or running. Some may say it’s this game’s Russian Roulette track of 8DX for that reason alone.
      Baby Park and Sky High Sundae have similar layouts but the way the 3 tracks are designed makes the play-style of each track different. One’s a bagger, one’s a runner and one is both.
      To end this comment off, I get you don’t like Peachette at all, but sometimes you have to accept the reality of other people’s choices.

    • @Paperboy01234
      @Paperboy01234 25 днів тому +1

      I should also mention that Kusaan is how Japanese players get their information to being better players, just like how everyone else gets their top information from JPG, Shortcat, Gyrodos, L1am and sometimes even Kusaan himself. I bet even Japanese players even follow the western side of top players provided of course they understand English.

    • @istoleyunomilesbigmac
      @istoleyunomilesbigmac 19 днів тому

      but why

  • @nickthesplatoonfanboy6698
    @nickthesplatoonfanboy6698 25 днів тому

    INKLING BOY SUPERMACY 🛐

  • @moth_farmer
    @moth_farmer 22 дні тому

    I've found that using shy guy with average acceleration and speed works pretty well.
    I still don't know why they nerfed shy guy's Invincibility frames though, -0.25?

  • @otfMessi
    @otfMessi 25 днів тому

    4:44 Heavy mii has the same stats as Wario, Dry Bowser and Funky

  • @christophercrane2323
    @christophercrane2323 16 днів тому

    As someone who this is new to and doesn’t follow the meta it would’ve been nice to hear an explanation about why “this is 2024” makes a difference and how things have changed.

  • @HollowPass
    @HollowPass 25 днів тому +1

    Shouldn't cat peach be in lower good or high decent compared to mario class they have -2 speed for +1 mini turbo which is not worth it so they should be ahead of king bop

  • @Line_CRB
    @Line_CRB 25 днів тому

    I miss the heavy weight meta, the characters felt so fast and powerful

  • @GDSecondSpiderPart
    @GDSecondSpiderPart 25 днів тому

    *sees koopa in bad tier*
    Angry koopa main noises

  • @squirrel.
    @squirrel. 25 днів тому +1

    0:14 wait, l thought heavy mii=wario but it was wrong

  • @salgadosp
    @salgadosp 16 днів тому

    Bro I love Baby Peach 😭

  • @jboy7722
    @jboy7722 25 днів тому +1

    Vehicle frames ❤

  • @samanthacastro5242
    @samanthacastro5242 25 днів тому +2

    JPG, this video is absolutely amazing!!!! I loved every second!! ♥️

  • @rustyking2728
    @rustyking2728 20 днів тому

    Been using Petey since he dropped.
    Idc what people say, I dominate with that dude. Worst thing about him is how big his head is. I 100% run into bananas because of that.

  • @CptChrispy
    @CptChrispy 25 днів тому +1

    I don't remember where I saw it, so I can't provide a reference, but I think each point in weight is not equal, and the single largest weight difference for 1 point of weight is the difference between Yoshi Scooty and Male Villager Scooty, so I think there is an argument to be made that the male villager class is slightly better on Mr. Scooty and the Yoshi class is slightly better on teddy buggy.

    • @axr1798
      @axr1798 25 днів тому

      You can change the glider to get better weight

  • @Yahahaha_777
    @Yahahaha_777 25 днів тому

    What tier do you think the characters become useful

  • @ChessProductions
    @ChessProductions 22 дні тому

    Characters don’t really matter as long as you can play them well, there good.