One big plus for Porsche is the reliability and build quality compared to other mid-engine sports car, especially McLarens that will put you in the poor house without a warranty.
Great info as always! Porsches, especially of the cayman and boxer variety, will always do well because it’s a lot of car for the money and the small financial barrier to entry. Far more many people can play in the $100k-$150k price point than the $350k+ price point.
No surprise with the C8 Z06 drop. Dealer markups for first model year were ridiculous. Even dumber are people that actually paid 50-100k over sticker. Now you can get them for MSRP. Pays to be patient
Exactly. Plus, you aren't "saving" money by buying a $250k Porsche over a $100k Z06. I don't care what the depreciation is, you had to fork over an extra $150k up front.
I'm actually selling my tidy 981 Base Cayman PDK. Just took a deposit for it yesterday. Here's hoping I can afford to get back into one in the future. Amazing cars.
Thank you for the video! Can you please expand on what you mean that the r8 manual market needs a more detailed explanation? Again, appreciate the content!
Thanks! Due to the small size of the market one or two cars can influence the price trend a lot. They can for example have a high spec, high or low mileage, or be in an extremely good condition. The price trend needs to be corrected for this. Since this video is more about high level trends, i did not do that. In this video you can see some graphs on the manual market at 5.30min: ua-cam.com/video/i79miIMM8Bw/v-deo.html I will include the manuals again in a new R8 market update.
@@fourwheeltradermakes sense, I just bought an R8 V10 coupe with manual in Europe and there were basically 4 cars I was able to choose from. Wherever the price will go, I absolutely love the car.
Great summary! Is there a way to show how much new car production volumes are impacting the pricing? Example. Overproduction and discounting of new models forcing prices down etc. Not sure if that's the issue with Maserati, but perhaps Corvette?
Thanks for the insights. With reference to mid-engined sports cars, would it be possible to look at the depreciation data on the Ferrari GTC4 Lusso T & the GTC4 Lusso V12. To see how the 2 different engines compare against each other and the market in general?
It's no surprise the 718 Spyder is holding its value and is slowly going up. I got a ZO6 for 117k in the US and I feel the values are still dropping. The GT4RS market will also drop down as there is a very high inventory available on the current market.
Some models (e.g. the GT4 RS) show a very high % of depreciation due to the fact that their market price last year was in the hype wave and far above MSRP. For such models, it would be relevant how the depreciation % is vs. MSRP.
Indeed. This is specifically addressed for the Z06 but applies to other models as well. This change though is only relevant if managed to get your hands on one at MSRP.
I was at the dealership for a 911 Turbo S and inquired about a GT4RS, they had them in the showroom and allocations, they wanted a $25,000 markup, I declined and they lowered it to $20,000. I still declined, I would rather get a 718 GTS with the 4.0, and I might do that instead.
2025 is the last year for Boxster and Cayman production. I have to think that’s supportive for their respective prices. They’re not going to make any more!
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@@marcelm.4231 Cars are depreciating assets. When they don't appreciate in a timely manner, that means that the bottom will eventually drop. That's what's going to happen with Caymens, Boxters, and 911s. The vast majority aren't collector cars. WHEN is the only question. But it's likely that electric cars will blow them away in 5-10.
of course the Z06 market is down. The economy in the USA is crumbling thanks to this presidency and dealers are no longer able to bend people over for 75k over sticker for the car. do a video on the Z06 a year again from now and we'll see where the depreciation is at from their actual MSRP price
They ALL depreciate, no matter what brand. Sportscar enthusiasts choose their brand for the passion of the vehicle they choose, not for how much they can sell it for in the future. A car is only worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it..... Not rocket science.
And not what the video is about either 🤷♂️ lol it's still good info as, unlike you, there are people that care about losing as little money as possible. Alternatively, some people want to know what used car to go for.
@@VehicleVibes_ Lol.... you're funny. People that have the money to spend thousands on a sportscar or supercars aren't concerned with resale.... It's pride of ownership, Wake up.
@@muffinman4353 What would I know, I've only seen it every month for over a decade working in car sales. If you think every single person thinks like you, I'd say you need to wake up. The type you're talking about exists, but is less common than you think.
@@muffinman4353 People who have the money to make such purchases made their money intelligently. They are not going to piss it away here just because cars are a passion project.
Picking up a 981 Boxster GTS this Saturday - your videoes played a part in my decision. Thank you ❤
How much did you pay?
The Porsche performance is not surprising, but I wasn’t expecting the 4C to be so strong too. Thanks as always, Harald.
The 4C market is a good entry point with cars on Carvana for 40k
@@KyleBrightman 4C Will never amount to anything... Keep dreaming.
One big plus for Porsche is the reliability and build quality compared to other mid-engine sports car, especially McLarens that will put you in the poor house without a warranty.
We can see the hard work and time you put into these videos. They are fantastic thank you.
Love the Alfa 4C, visceral driving experience, carbon tub, limited production and a future classic for sure!
This is the best Alfa since 60/70s , and it is limited . It must be a future classic
And I’m selling my 4c
@@MauroFire Spider or coupe ? Colour , MY , location ?
Luxembourg. Spider edizione corsa limited edition number 26. Is in the video of @seen trough glasses, he actually test drove it
Great info as always! Porsches, especially of the cayman and boxer variety, will always do well because it’s a lot of car for the money and the small financial barrier to entry. Far more many people can play in the $100k-$150k price point than the $350k+ price point.
Amazing how strong the Porsche market is. And I can confirm (although anecdotally) that is the case in Switzerland, where I live.
Porsches are so lame tho.
Just wanted to say I love your channel, the information is so valuable and well presented/visualized
Fantastic video, as always. Great to see the Lotus Evora market, I'm certain, those fantastic cars will be highly sought jewels in the futre.
No surprise with the C8 Z06 drop. Dealer markups for first model year were ridiculous. Even dumber are people that actually paid 50-100k over sticker. Now you can get them for MSRP. Pays to be patient
Corvettes are massed produced cars. They already made 130K Vettes since it was released.
@@curvetrcalinga Yep - exactly why I don't understand folks that paid over MSRP. Wasting their money
Exactly. Plus, you aren't "saving" money by buying a $250k Porsche over a $100k Z06. I don't care what the depreciation is, you had to fork over an extra $150k up front.
I'm actually selling my tidy 981 Base Cayman PDK. Just took a deposit for it yesterday. Here's hoping I can afford to get back into one in the future. Amazing cars.
Can confirm - absolutely love mine. Can’t see me changing it for a long while.
Excellent overview! Thank you.
Acura/Honda nsx and All Nissan GT-R would be interesting with more deep data
Alfa Romeo 4C is a future classic.
I like your videos! May I ask what you drive personally?
Thanks for the info. Your right nothing handles a mid engine sports car
Great summary at 11:45 thanks
Thank you for the video! Can you please expand on what you mean that the r8 manual market needs a more detailed explanation? Again, appreciate the content!
Thanks! Due to the small size of the market one or two cars can influence the price trend a lot. They can for example have a high spec, high or low mileage, or be in an extremely good condition. The price trend needs to be corrected for this. Since this video is more about high level trends, i did not do that.
In this video you can see some graphs on the manual market at 5.30min: ua-cam.com/video/i79miIMM8Bw/v-deo.html
I will include the manuals again in a new R8 market update.
@@fourwheeltradermakes sense, I just bought an R8 V10 coupe with manual in Europe and there were basically 4 cars I was able to choose from. Wherever the price will go, I absolutely love the car.
I have a McLaren 650S Spider over 3 & 1/2 years and its value is pretty much unchanged! I live in Ireland btw 🇮🇪
Great summary! Is there a way to show how much new car production volumes are impacting the pricing? Example. Overproduction and discounting of new models forcing prices down etc.
Not sure if that's the issue with Maserati, but perhaps Corvette?
Thanks for the insights. With reference to mid-engined sports cars, would it be possible to look at the depreciation data on the Ferrari GTC4 Lusso T & the GTC4 Lusso V12. To see how the 2 different engines compare against each other and the market in general?
I believe the split between the T and V12 is included here: ua-cam.com/video/RnMrjc3ZMTE/v-deo.htmlsi=5iCZGz1j4Y16GCGJ
@@fourwheeltrader so you did. Many thanks
It's no surprise the 718 Spyder is holding its value and is slowly going up. I got a ZO6 for 117k in the US and I feel the values are still dropping. The GT4RS market will also drop down as there is a very high inventory available on the current market.
i bought my 24 z06/z07 at sticker and im happy. its what i wanted and ive waited 2 years to get one
Some models (e.g. the GT4 RS) show a very high % of depreciation due to the fact that their market price last year was in the hype wave and far above MSRP. For such models, it would be relevant how the depreciation % is vs. MSRP.
Indeed. This is specifically addressed for the Z06 but applies to other models as well. This change though is only relevant if managed to get your hands on one at MSRP.
I was at the dealership for a 911 Turbo S and inquired about a GT4RS, they had them in the showroom and allocations, they wanted a $25,000 markup, I declined and they lowered it to $20,000. I still declined, I would rather get a 718 GTS with the 4.0, and I might do that instead.
Good work
How do you break down the Huracan LP580-2 Spyders?? I'm looking to get one for around 200K high spec wild color and less than 15k miles
What a great video thanks
Corvette sells more cars than all of these other spares cars combined. Abundant supply has a lot to do with the resale values.
Have been trying to figure out the values of Alpine A110, very low prices in the UK, but quite high in Europe/Germany.
2025 is the last year for Boxster and Cayman production. I have to think that’s supportive for their respective prices. They’re not going to make any more!
Honda Civic R and Nissan GT-R , Z car
PreLP Gallardo? Egear VS gated VS Superleggera
why front mid engine amg gt market was not included?
It is part of the front-engine market overview: ua-cam.com/video/kP4NDFUm0DE/v-deo.htmlsi=i1LmztMamrLUcUNj
F355 is not F355. The GTS manual are very strong, the spider F1 not so...
Do a USA based one occasionally
All videos cover the US market
What if you ordered a basic 911 coupe with absolutely NO extras . Even the colour in no cost Black
What about the Toyota MR2, Pontiac Fiero, and 1st gen Acura NSX, McLaren F1, GMA T50?
Unfortunately i do not have data for those cars
As a happy Porsche 981S owner who doesn’t plan to sell the car this is still good news. 😂
Review the Bentley Bentayga
Go back to weekly videos!!!! : )
I probably will at some point.
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How did you leave out the NSX?
First gen NSX is included.
C7 Vette please
MP4-12C?
Included in the video, right?
Cybertruck depreciation please.
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where is R8?
It's included in the video
Demon 170
Why is Mercedes not in here? AMGs are not that sweet or what?
The video only covers mid-engine models. AMG GTs are included in the front engine GT market overview.
@@fourwheeltrader thank you! I’ll take a look
f 430
I'm looking at the F430 market and I think the values are steady. 120-150k for a 20k mile used is not a bad deal.
It is included in the video. A detailed breakdown you can find over here: ua-cam.com/video/IBGGNCsrikM/v-deo.htmlsi=4CM6ZGyYuzXDi_Uf
In nutshell buy a GT4
Porsches Cayman, Boxter, & 911 prices will be down by 60%+ within 6 years in the US. It's a terrible investment.
Why?
@@marcelm.4231 Cars are depreciating assets. When they don't appreciate in a timely manner, that means that the bottom will eventually drop. That's what's going to happen with Caymens, Boxters, and 911s. The vast majority aren't collector cars. WHEN is the only question. But it's likely that electric cars will blow them away in 5-10.
of course the Z06 market is down. The economy in the USA is crumbling thanks to this presidency and dealers are no longer able to bend people over for 75k over sticker for the car. do a video on the Z06 a year again from now and we'll see where the depreciation is at from their actual MSRP price
They ALL depreciate, no matter what brand. Sportscar enthusiasts choose their brand for the passion of the vehicle they choose, not for how much they can sell it for in the future. A car is only worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it..... Not rocket science.
And not what the video is about either 🤷♂️ lol it's still good info as, unlike you, there are people that care about losing as little money as possible. Alternatively, some people want to know what used car to go for.
@@VehicleVibes_ Lol.... you're funny. People that have the money to spend thousands on a sportscar or supercars aren't concerned with resale.... It's pride of ownership, Wake up.
@@muffinman4353 What would I know, I've only seen it every month for over a decade working in car sales. If you think every single person thinks like you, I'd say you need to wake up. The type you're talking about exists, but is less common than you think.
@@VehicleVibes_ lol... you're funny. Let me know when you wake up.
@@muffinman4353 People who have the money to make such purchases made their money intelligently. They are not going to piss it away here just because cars are a passion project.