the day they release the cryo version yelan is the day pyro becomes hands down the strongest element cause every pyro character just going to be op 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Definitely gonna try to grab Citlali before Mavuika. Hearing that forward melt teams became possible sold me, honestly. That and I can use her with Ayato to make him better too :)
Citlali should be Lyney's bis as she gives a shield and can replace xilonen in his furina vape team. He's the one who actually wants a shield, at least for ppl with skillissue.
@@meikkuikamuzu5869We have another way called positioning which required less dodging. And yes you infact can time the CA and doddging inbetween but it requires skills. Among Lyney’s community ppl began to play shield lyney less and less while starting to play him in furina team more. Well, it is still a nice buff nonetheless for a shielder to be buffer to. Citali will likely be his BiS teammates in Lyney furina vape team for many ppl even if her shield isnt as strong as ZL
As someone who got C6 Kaeya deadass from standard banner f2p pulls... I see this as an absolute win 😭 can't wait to make my Yoimiya usable and Gaming even more goated. Can't wait to see what you cooked for Mualani too
@@animatry7410What’s even the point of running double healer on Arle who can’t heal, especially with no furina. At that point Kazuha is just straight up better than Xilonen since he at least has CC and personal dmg.
Seriously surprised she is replacing Furina and/or Xilonen in some teams! I guess I just forgot Forward Melt is actually a 2x reaction lol I don't think I've ever played Melt in my life
All I need from grandma is that her shield is enough to cover my occasional skill issue dodge while doing more dmg than Mr.LongDongZhong. So far she is a great addition to my roster.
i believe for gaming and any pyro plunge, it would be better to jump and glide a bit to wait for cryo to apply cuz that would be a bit faster than jumping when cryo is applied
Honestly I’m so over these damn repetitive kits I’ll still pull Citlali since I enjoy her in archon quest, but my god when will get something new like an dedicated attack speed buffer or burgeon carry
its funny how natlan true archon is xilonen and purely because they needed a char that would make some money after the mid received character that were mualani and kinich thx god those two tanked so xilonen could speedrun
@@rohanluke8232 pull wise according to all metric they both underperformed greatly compared to starter unit of all previous nations (be it sale wise or pull wise from various app gathering revenu or paimon moe pull numbers) not saying they suck, people just probably grew tired of powercreep but boring mechanics, especially when the endgame isnt getting harder at all
@@ganyumaindayone1112That happened cause of misinformation and Mualani being glitchy at launch. They both out dps 90% of other dps. Like people didn’t understand for Kinich burning/burgeon creates his damage and Mualani is designed for vape with her attack stop attack pattern. It enables her to get 100% of her vapes with her damage. Chasca is probably the weakest of the three and most don’t know you need EM cause her last charged attack shell is anemo.
Citali was just created to drive up nightsoul points for mavuika. She has a very basic and subpar kit and basically hoyo giving a solution to the problem they created when they design the pyro archon kit.
Aside from melt and freeze, i think citlali can work with cyno/sethos as a superconductor subdps. Superconduct was buffed this patch so i think its worth looking into. The cryo doesn't remove the quicken/dendro aura of the enemy so its fine plus citlali and cyno/sethos all use em in their kit so it doesnt matter who procs the superconduct(but its most likely citlali) I dont think its their best team tho since quickbloom exist and citlali in vape teams have a higher potential
The fact that Freeze is just actively negative against bosses is so frustrating. I get why you can't actually FREEZE them, but the way it deletes your auras is awful. I will say that VapeMelt is *silly* against that Chenyu Vale cat boss if it ever ends up in Abyss. As for Yoimiya, I'm convinced her best team is Chevreuse/Bennett and then either Fischl for single target or Beidou for groups. I have done ZERO math about this, but I've mained Yoi for a long time and the Overload version just feels so much better and I feel like I get better clear times with it in practice. No more messing up your ICD and vaping on the wrong attacks in her string, which steals SO much of her damage.
What about Arlecchino/Bennett/Citlali/Lynette C2+? You can absorb Cryo on Lynette's burst and at C2+ she'll taunt enemies, swirl Cryo with VV (maybe Pyro, but I'm not sure if it can be worked into the rotation in a way that matters), provide an ATK buff, and act as a secondary Cryo applicator. Though she'll produce fewer particles for Citlali. Is Rosaria still going to be better?
What im really curious about is how well Citlali will go with Lyney, Mualani and Neuvillette, especially with constellations. Like will she apply enough cryo and give good enough buffs for Lyney? Will Mavuika/Xiangling apply enough Pyro so that Citlali can still be used in a Mualani team? If yes then Citlali could become apart of Mualani’s new BiS teams (especially with C1-C2) Does triggering freeze without actually freezing the enemy (when fighting bosses) count for Citlali’s passive? If yes then she should become apart of Neuvillette’s new BiS team at dolphin investment (will need C1-C2 to be better than Kazuha) I have so many questions AND I NEED ANSWERS CITLALI I WILL PULL AND MAX LVL HER THE MOMENT SHE COMES OUT! (Also, weird how 5.3 doesn’t have new artifact sets, so just like Mavuika Citlali may get even better in the future with a new artifact set that fits better with her, not that Cinder City isn’t amazing on her, but obviously in many teams she wants to be used alongside Xilonen, but since they can’t both use Cinder City it would be nice if Hoyo releases a new great artifact set so that Citlali can use Cinder City and Xilonen uses the new one, or vice versa)
I believe I remember seeing some stuff about Mua, Cit, Mav working, but you need a specific rotation that makes Cit reverse melt & still get a shark bite off before the now reduced pyro aura disappears. Number-wise, I strongly believe that Mua, Cit, Xilo, Mav will be by far the strongest high investment team in the game, stronger than the Mua, Key Furina, Xilo, Xiangling team. I already did some calcs of my own on my own Mualani & Xilo with optimizer, plugging in C6R5 Cit & C4 Mav & Mualani alone will be hitting 20m DPR with >4m shark bites & burst while just using a standard daily driver build, not a specialized crit fishing/speed run build. Citlali seems like she'll be doing a fair amount too, and Mavuika of course will be doing a lot too, potentially with a forward melted burst, so real full team DPR may end up being much higher. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being close to a 30m DPR team with full C6R5s, because the team is stacked with heavy hitters.
You're making a bad assumption my friend. I've ignored arlechino and the other girl once and I have zero interest in pulling for them in any of their reruns. It's the same thing for weak archon and cryo girl. I know mihoyo is not rerunning cryo characters right now and it won't affect me. I don't want to pull for her anyway.
Same thing with Furina. The way people doomposted her for being reliant on Natlan charas reminds me of Furina back then with healers. - I bet months later Mavuika seen as the best dps will be a normal thing like Furina being the best support
@@agidokiyt2164 Furina enabled every character to Fontaine mechanics. Now we can't say that about nightsoul and natlan artifacts unfortunately. It's the most niche nation ever
@@agidokiyt2164 it's kind of not the same though. Furina asked you to bring something people already brought, and even if they didn't bring them they had access to at least one option. In fact, many people may have already built Jean or any other healer and long left them to collect dust. So, Furina was just bringing life to a dead aspect of the game, and giving you a new solid reason to bring a specific subset of characters, old and new. But Mavuika doesn't do that, she specifically demands you to use one character as of right now and that's Xilonen. Otherwise, using her to reach her full potential will be a challenge, because no other Natlan character can support her nearly as well as Xilonen. The only other character that comes close is the very same character Mavuika is running with, that being Citlali. Now of course, people may argue "Well you should have Xilonen" but that's just a flawed argument because this is a gacha game. You can't always guarantee any character at any given moment. You also have to realize some players started playing just months, weeks, heck days after Xilonen's first run expired. So they won't have access to her for months. Speaking of new players, who in their right mind would recommend a DPS who specifically demands you to bring one hyper specific character? There's a reason you don't see Itto or Xiao recommended often, and it's not because of their damage output but rather because their teams are so expensive and as of right now Mavuika is looking to be in a similar boat. Like, with time Mavuika will 100% get better, but the thing is, unlike Furina, she has an expiration date. If Hoyo never makes a singular Natlan character after Natlan ends, then Mavuika will likely see no new teammates added to her teams. Meanwhile Furina literally just got Xilonen. It doesn't exactly help that she's a DPS unit, which are the easiest to powercreep in the entire game. Don't believe me? Ask Diluc, and even Hutao. But enough about the future of the character, let's look at the now. Mavuika, as she is, adds no life to the game. She exists to accomplish a role others before her excel in. She has no team variety, and her only team doesn't manage to make use of any older units. Compare this with Furina, Nahida, and even Raiden. All 3 of them have helped older and newer units shine. Mavuika is selfish, and is literally not worth the primos. The only reason you pull for her is if you really like her, or you're obsessed with big damage numbers. In my opinion, there should always be a third potential reason you pick up a character, and that is because they add something to the table. Mavuika literally fails to accomplish this.
Plus can just build EM since her EM scaling is better than attack by miles and don’t forget catalyst used so can run thrilling tales if get required EM(1500 is point of diminishing returns for Melt) not to mention that C2 Citali is so broken. 40% shred EM based quills that regenerate with melt and 250 EM to who she shields.
How do people forget citlali is tailored for chasca because xiloen and kazuha don't synergies with chasca citlali is to take the spot with hydro and pyro res (Bennett and furina on team)
Xil is actually strong with Chasca cause doesn’t matter which element you crystallize for Scroll and she gives both shred to your team without timing your rot for double vv
@ You don’t lose damage at all. She literally E 2 AA gives Chasca 40% ED and 36% shred. You do it at the end. And if running Oro/Mav/Citali you can run Petra on her instead of scroll.
Would've loved to see mention of what you think Citlali might provide for Chasca teams -- think that might be something you cover in a video at some point? I know everyone's been excited about forward melt and melt-vape, but it seems like Citlali's kit is kind of a perfect fit for Chasca/Bennett/Furina teams too?
1. How does mav work with ganyu melt team? Need some in depth review on the synergy and performance compared to existing options. 2. Will citlali increase the DPS ceiling for hu tao strongest team? Does citlali get a place in hu tao's current best team (vape team)? Vape-melt synergy doesnt seem to work well without a healer for furina, and the cryo application/melt rate is also a huge concern to be addressed.
Citlali has decent damage decent shielding 20% res shred and damage percent, application, and some more with her weapon Is Arlecchinos team not just better with kazuha than Xilonen so you can double swirl without tanking up time?
I'm a little confused by what u mean, like who would be the 4th team member after Arlecchino, Kazuha and Xilonen? If ur talking about Bennet or a hydro like Yelan, then tbh yeah that team would be better than the Citlali variant
@@Nine_Guinea_Pigs Wasn't really clear with how you wrote it the first time. As for this, if anything Xilonen would be better as solo due to her higher buff duration and ease of use, since double swirling is more a pain than a benefit most of the time. But u could always just run both
imma get the granny imma get the granny, no i want arlecchino's weapon, i want arlecchino's weapon, no i want i want clorinde, wait but i want mavuika no, i want the granny I CANT MAKE MY MIND
Will be back in a few hrs post-beta change to see how my predictions hold up. For now here’s my random darts-at-a-wall guesses: They’ll buff the attack% she gives herself back up a bit. They’ll only slightly change the damage multipliers on her NAs and CAs. They’ll slightly buff the CA damage buff from her burst. (Even though I would rather they buff the NAs than the CAs. Doing nonstop donuts on the enemy gets old fast.) Pyro application stays the same. (I wish they would buff it) And I REALLY hope they nerf her c2 again in exchange for buffing her c1 slightly. Bc c2 is still super broken. 37% damage buff is still crazy. Not sure what they’ll do with her c4 and buffing capability. The cynic in me thinks they’ll move another 5% of the buff from her burst to her c4. But I really hope that isn’t the case.
Hey flip, is there a genshin podcast/ livestream youd recommend? I remember listening to a livestream with you and soul a while ago and i really enjoyed your ahem, non shill takes, any ideas?
Guys, the reason why Mavuika was not a Bennet-Upgrade is because Capitano/Tsaritza will be the one to do it. That will make the Double cryo team able to melt all of their meltable attack while still getting a *Bennet buff. Hopefully 😇
the team: mavuika, bennett, citlali and xilonen isn't better if you change xilonen to kazuha? citlali can help mavuika stacks and hold natlan sup artifacts, so i think kazuha vv set would increse more the damage
I did some calcs with my C6R5 Chasca in the optimizer, with some scuffed reaction assumptions, and it seems that going from Ororon C6 with Elegy R1 to Citlali C2R1 would increase Chasca's dmg by 25-30%. Even if it's more or less than that, that's good enough for me. I felt that I was not blowing stuff up fast enough. 🤣 I need the dmg increase, I swear 🤡.
What's the best rotation for arlechinno double cryo?. Arlechino E, Bennet EQ, Rosaria Q then citlali QE? Assuming her as ttds holder? Does cinder set active this way
I hope granny doesn’t get nerfed….or even better copium that she gets buffed even more lol 😂 i wish her burst had a lot of dmg though since it’d be great for the granny lovers
Same i already love her design and kit so much I'd say that previous , arlecchino best team was xilonen mono pyro kazhua but rn. You can freely use those supports with your other character like neuvillette and Arlecchino just just use citlali and yelan. Or citlali and kaeya ig + The fact i have to use my furina and xilonen with itto in my mini account. And neuvillette can work fine with his buddy kazhua but not best. Now i can get citlali for him and maybe childe. So. Even if I don't use furina and xilonen. With him i still have the best support for neuvillette 💀🗿 Pulling her in both main and mini. She's W
Are vape/melt teams really viable for claymore characters? Since they shatter rather than melt, essentially having the same downside other weapon types have against bosses, but also against freezable enemies...
Thoughts on using Citlali with Yanfei? I'm currently running Yanfei with a double hydro vape team, and was planning on adding Citlali to the last slot once i get her.
As Twag said Citlali enables stronger offence than Lan Yan but has a weaker shield. Citlali is a ceiling raise for Yoimiya where Lanyan is mostly a sidegrade damage wise
Thx for the video. About Gaming team, VV for Xianyun isn't better ? Gaming E / Citlali QE / Benny QhE / XY E (pyro res shred) Q > Gaming. Benny pyro hE should overpower Citlali cryo aura. Even C6 pyro infused NA.
Assuming you get the res shred it is better than sodp. The point I was trying to make but fumbled through is just that the difference between the sets on Xianyun is now less
why not use Layla and Citlali for omega shields? I am not sure how strong Citlali's cryo app is but would Layla's slow cryo app be complimentary? Plus Layla can proc tenacity?
Can't wait for Neuvi buff that he clearly needs 👏(but nah for real I do wonder too, she should be really nice with him?? Especially if he's C1 and can run Furina too so Citlali can buff both)
She enables the best Neuv shielded team and is the best cryo for the role, worse than Ororon, Xilonen tho assuming a Furina Kazuha core And with hu tao she works fine in vapemelt but that’s about it
So for Hu tao - Yelan - XQ - Citlali Citlali is probably gonna be better than c6 thoma and zhongli? More damage yet still comfortable to play? I have been hearing that citlali can't proc cinders city tho in that hu tao team. Also hu tao's pyro application is too much to do any forward melts?
Is double cryo an actual real team or is it just tc stuff. Because even with c6 Kaeya and Rosaria your melts can really crumble fast in an arle team. Vape melt really is too fake when you see abysses with like 60% bosses.
I think it is an actual team, but not as much vape melt and I also feel like you could use Kazuha/sucrose cryo infused ults assuming muivakas skill’s pyro app won’t fuck it up but it’s probably best to wait like 2 days and test stuff in co op
@meikkuikamuzu5869 I have not seen a single double cryo with Citlali showcases so I really don't believe them too much. Having already tried double cryo with Rosaria and Kaeya it felt awkward
Yoimiya's best team right now is definitely Chev OL teams with fischl and bennett, but this is pretty close to it and it scales a lot better with vert investment. Does the Yoi team use burst? Also c6 definitely breaks the melt timing unfortunately.
I didn’t use Yoi’s burst in my calcs because I didn’t know how to implement it effectively. And yeah even things like C2 Arle can break timings on double cryo it is still quite unstable.
Same. I'm personally planning to try out freeze, superconduct, and shatter teams. Literally disregarding most of her kit 💀 But man, it's just more fun to not feel restricted by that stuff
Can citlali be on a mavuika team without xiolen because i skipped her lol and how stong is kinich weapon on mavuika ( need to justify not pulling for sig weapon )
i dont know anything about the damage calculation fighting whatever part of the game but i like chongyun so would chongyun as main dps with xiangling xingqiu doing their thing with their burtsts with citlali in the team work LOLLLLL
I am going for as many mavukia cons as possible if I have leftovers should I get mavukias weapon or citlali, the weapon I’m using with mavukia is redhorn
Can't wait for both Citlali and Mavuika to be nerfed in 4 hours, rendering this video obsolete
Even if they get nerfed again they are still the strongest
I don't care even if citlali is worse then qiqi I still gonna pull cute grandma
don't care. both will be easy skip for me. I only pull male characters.
Please buff her shield to atleast Yanfei level. I’m bad at dodging
@@aethernity8270 you're the real one
Double cryo and Bennett meaning Furina, kazuha and xilonen are all free for the second team finally a Neuvillette buff
Bro😭
lmao😂
she rides a pillow therefore strongest lore character, i don’t make the rules
Imagine having more uptime than your respective Archon. CITLALI SWEEP
the day they release the cryo version yelan is the day pyro becomes hands down the strongest element cause every pyro character just going to be op 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
That will be the same day they release Pyro Xingqiu 🤝
@@CritsVGat this rate, I estimate that will be around the 13th of Never.
@@zeckrincuff3159 After careful consideration, meticulous calculations and confidential exchange with my uncle who definitely works at Hoyo, I agree.
Hu Tao becomes the best DPS in the game once again.
@@mihacimpric745nah arlechino stays at the top but she will be second
You don't need any calcs to justify pulling for the cutest granny in genshin
Can't wait for Citloli.
I’M TRYING MY BEST TO PRONOUNCE IT CORRECTLY 🙏😭
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Why citlali seems to bring better value than mavuika for me. Cooked archon
Definitely gonna try to grab Citlali before Mavuika. Hearing that forward melt teams became possible sold me, honestly. That and I can use her with Ayato to make him better too :)
Citlali should be Lyney's bis as she gives a shield and can replace xilonen in his furina vape team. He's the one who actually wants a shield, at least for ppl with skillissue.
I can't wait to test them together ❤
No he wants a sheild either way, you can’t dodge while aiming his charge shots so it isn’t really a skill issue thing
@@meikkuikamuzu5869 Idk man its not really that hard to do 2-3 ca, and you can dodge between charge shots
I’ll only get Citlali if she buffs him more enough whilst having a good shield, I main him and I personally don’t find him difficult to play.
@@meikkuikamuzu5869We have another way called positioning which required less dodging. And yes you infact can time the CA and doddging inbetween but it requires skills. Among Lyney’s community ppl began to play shield lyney less and less while starting to play him in furina team more.
Well, it is still a nice buff nonetheless for a shielder to be buffer to. Citali will likely be his BiS teammates in Lyney furina vape team for many ppl even if her shield isnt as strong as ZL
THERES NO LAWS AGAINST THE SAURIANS FLIPMAN!!!
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As someone who got C6 Kaeya deadass from standard banner f2p pulls... I see this as an absolute win 😭 can't wait to make my Yoimiya usable and Gaming even more goated. Can't wait to see what you cooked for Mualani too
no idea how you'll play c6 kaeya with yoimiya
@@mickysaif +Citlali = melt
Can't you just play Arle Karta Bennett Xilonen
@@animatry7410 "Can't you just play an entierly different team?" lmao.
I don't have Arle and don't want Xilonen lol
@@animatry7410What’s even the point of running double healer on Arle who can’t heal, especially with no furina. At that point Kazuha is just straight up better than Xilonen since he at least has CC and personal dmg.
Seriously surprised she is replacing Furina and/or Xilonen in some teams! I guess I just forgot Forward Melt is actually a 2x reaction lol I don't think I've ever played Melt in my life
Self proclaimed #1 Citlali fan
All I need from grandma is that her shield is enough to cover my occasional skill issue dodge while doing more dmg than Mr.LongDongZhong.
So far she is a great addition to my roster.
Longdongzhong is crazy work
Also don't forget u can use ttds. I personally use it strictly on sucrose but i would think it would work on grandma
2:02 yeah bro we already know we seen your twitter page 🗣🗣🗣
Shes great imo, I'm unironically gonna pull for her before mavuika
Those numbers actually surprised the hell out of me
finally a good video out in clickbait sea, stand proud flip, you can cook
Citlali so broken that she already kicking out furina & xilonen 😂
THE GOAT
so I wait for the next citlali who will kick her out then at this point
I think she'll be great with Furina freeze teams.
Not xilonen though, because u play both of them so it's weird to say that
not being a significant ganyu buff is diabolical
Ik for a fact Citlali buffs my C0 Chasca, she's the reason ive not even bothered building Ororon.
i believe for gaming and any pyro plunge, it would be better to jump and glide a bit to wait for cryo to apply cuz that would be a bit faster than jumping when cryo is applied
As per the Video Title. Its C6 Furina Vape Plunge team of 2.5 Million DMG per plunge or 15 Million DMG per Rotation.
Honestly I’m so over these damn repetitive kits I’ll still pull Citlali since I enjoy her in archon quest, but my god when will get something new like an dedicated attack speed buffer or burgeon carry
Yunjin? Dehya? Although in Dehya case it's pretty make-shift
@ Yunjin. Is not a dedicated atk speed character.
I hate u need double cryo to forwarld melt i hoped with my heart and soul that citlali would've been a great solo cryo applicater
At the same time Arle and Mavuika would break the game if that was the case 😭
@@FliponYT thats why i wanted it 😭
Idk why, but Lali's pose in the thumbnail makes me want a version of Japanese Goblin with her doing the dance
Citlali is good but her shield get buffed , its wierd that the 5 star have her shield weaker than the 4 star lanyan
all 3 new characters will be easy skip regardless. I only pull for male characters.
@woodykusaki9970 why reply to this comment to say that lol
Not really, the shield is just a bonus, her main focus is buffing Melt
@@kauanjos3199 her main focus is be ignored by our primogems. Her undesirability will allow us to gather more primogems.
@@woodykusaki9970 just let people pull for who they like, you don't have to push your views
Local man glazing a senior citizen (Citlali) to no avail
its funny how natlan true archon is xilonen and purely because they needed a char that would make some money after the mid received character that were mualani and kinich
thx god those two tanked so xilonen could speedrun
What😂, how did they tank?? Xilonen is amazing but so are those two. Atm, Mualani is the strongest DPS in game in her best team
Mualani and Kinich didn't tank. It's just powerful supports like Kazuha and Furina just sell better for being universal, and now Xilonen too.
@@rohanluke8232 pull wise according to all metric they both underperformed greatly compared to starter unit of all previous nations (be it sale wise or pull wise from various app gathering revenu or paimon moe pull numbers)
not saying they suck, people just probably grew tired of powercreep but boring mechanics, especially when the endgame isnt getting harder at all
@@ganyumaindayone1112 I think it's even more interesting that Chasca outsold Mualani & Kinich, don't know why since since she's also a dps too lol
@@ganyumaindayone1112That happened cause of misinformation and Mualani being glitchy at launch. They both out dps 90% of other dps. Like people didn’t understand for Kinich burning/burgeon creates his damage and Mualani is designed for vape with her attack stop attack pattern. It enables her to get 100% of her vapes with her damage. Chasca is probably the weakest of the three and most don’t know you need EM cause her last charged attack shell is anemo.
Citali was just created to drive up nightsoul points for mavuika. She has a very basic and subpar kit and basically hoyo giving a solution to the problem they created when they design the pyro archon kit.
Aside from melt and freeze, i think citlali can work with cyno/sethos as a superconductor subdps. Superconduct was buffed this patch so i think its worth looking into.
The cryo doesn't remove the quicken/dendro aura of the enemy so its fine plus citlali and cyno/sethos all use em in their kit so it doesnt matter who procs the superconduct(but its most likely citlali)
I dont think its their best team tho since quickbloom exist and citlali in vape teams have a higher potential
The fact that Freeze is just actively negative against bosses is so frustrating. I get why you can't actually FREEZE them, but the way it deletes your auras is awful. I will say that VapeMelt is *silly* against that Chenyu Vale cat boss if it ever ends up in Abyss.
As for Yoimiya, I'm convinced her best team is Chevreuse/Bennett and then either Fischl for single target or Beidou for groups. I have done ZERO math about this, but I've mained Yoi for a long time and the Overload version just feels so much better and I feel like I get better clear times with it in practice. No more messing up your ICD and vaping on the wrong attacks in her string, which steals SO much of her damage.
What about Arlecchino/Bennett/Citlali/Lynette C2+? You can absorb Cryo on Lynette's burst and at C2+ she'll taunt enemies, swirl Cryo with VV (maybe Pyro, but I'm not sure if it can be worked into the rotation in a way that matters), provide an ATK buff, and act as a secondary Cryo applicator. Though she'll produce fewer particles for Citlali. Is Rosaria still going to be better?
What im really curious about is how well Citlali will go with Lyney, Mualani and Neuvillette, especially with constellations.
Like will she apply enough cryo and give good enough buffs for Lyney?
Will Mavuika/Xiangling apply enough Pyro so that Citlali can still be used in a Mualani team? If yes then Citlali could become apart of Mualani’s new BiS teams (especially with C1-C2)
Does triggering freeze without actually freezing the enemy (when fighting bosses) count for Citlali’s passive? If yes then she should become apart of Neuvillette’s new BiS team at dolphin investment (will need C1-C2 to be better than Kazuha)
I have so many questions AND I NEED ANSWERS CITLALI I WILL PULL AND MAX LVL HER THE MOMENT SHE COMES OUT!
(Also, weird how 5.3 doesn’t have new artifact sets, so just like Mavuika Citlali may get even better in the future with a new artifact set that fits better with her, not that Cinder City isn’t amazing on her, but obviously in many teams she wants to be used alongside Xilonen, but since they can’t both use Cinder City it would be nice if Hoyo releases a new great artifact set so that Citlali can use Cinder City and Xilonen uses the new one, or vice versa)
I believe I remember seeing some stuff about Mua, Cit, Mav working, but you need a specific rotation that makes Cit reverse melt & still get a shark bite off before the now reduced pyro aura disappears.
Number-wise, I strongly believe that Mua, Cit, Xilo, Mav will be by far the strongest high investment team in the game, stronger than the Mua, Key Furina, Xilo, Xiangling team. I already did some calcs of my own on my own Mualani & Xilo with optimizer, plugging in C6R5 Cit & C4 Mav & Mualani alone will be hitting 20m DPR with >4m shark bites & burst while just using a standard daily driver build, not a specialized crit fishing/speed run build.
Citlali seems like she'll be doing a fair amount too, and Mavuika of course will be doing a lot too, potentially with a forward melted burst, so real full team DPR may end up being much higher. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being close to a 30m DPR team with full C6R5s, because the team is stacked with heavy hitters.
Lanyan has 40% res shred from vv, cc , shield nd 48% atk from ttds . So much role consolidation
I've been pleading for a melt character for months. I love Melt as a reaction. Guves cryo more variety than just Freeze.
I was already thinking of making a Mavuika melt team, so seeing that Granny will enable that is just RIGHT.
I have c2 xilonen tho wouldnt it be better to run her with mavuika furina benny
FLIP, is she good with Lyneyyyyy??? Or is zhongli/Lanyan better?
The 5.3 characters are getting doomposted hard ,lol, and i bet the people who doompost will be the same people begging thier re run
You're making a bad assumption my friend. I've ignored arlechino and the other girl once and I have zero interest in pulling for them in any of their reruns. It's the same thing for weak archon and cryo girl. I know mihoyo is not rerunning cryo characters right now and it won't affect me. I don't want to pull for her anyway.
Same thing with Furina. The way people doomposted her for being reliant on Natlan charas reminds me of Furina back then with healers.
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I bet months later Mavuika seen as the best dps will be a normal thing like Furina being the best support
@@agidokiyt2164oh well she getting powercrept in 2 years anyway
@@agidokiyt2164 Furina enabled every character to Fontaine mechanics. Now we can't say that about nightsoul and natlan artifacts unfortunately. It's the most niche nation ever
@@agidokiyt2164 it's kind of not the same though. Furina asked you to bring something people already brought, and even if they didn't bring them they had access to at least one option. In fact, many people may have already built Jean or any other healer and long left them to collect dust.
So, Furina was just bringing life to a dead aspect of the game, and giving you a new solid reason to bring a specific subset of characters, old and new.
But Mavuika doesn't do that, she specifically demands you to use one character as of right now and that's Xilonen. Otherwise, using her to reach her full potential will be a challenge, because no other Natlan character can support her nearly as well as Xilonen. The only other character that comes close is the very same character Mavuika is running with, that being Citlali.
Now of course, people may argue "Well you should have Xilonen" but that's just a flawed argument because this is a gacha game. You can't always guarantee any character at any given moment. You also have to realize some players started playing just months, weeks, heck days after Xilonen's first run expired. So they won't have access to her for months. Speaking of new players, who in their right mind would recommend a DPS who specifically demands you to bring one hyper specific character? There's a reason you don't see Itto or Xiao recommended often, and it's not because of their damage output but rather because their teams are so expensive and as of right now Mavuika is looking to be in a similar boat.
Like, with time Mavuika will 100% get better, but the thing is, unlike Furina, she has an expiration date. If Hoyo never makes a singular Natlan character after Natlan ends, then Mavuika will likely see no new teammates added to her teams. Meanwhile Furina literally just got Xilonen. It doesn't exactly help that she's a DPS unit, which are the easiest to powercreep in the entire game. Don't believe me? Ask Diluc, and even Hutao.
But enough about the future of the character, let's look at the now.
Mavuika, as she is, adds no life to the game. She exists to accomplish a role others before her excel in. She has no team variety, and her only team doesn't manage to make use of any older units.
Compare this with Furina, Nahida, and even Raiden.
All 3 of them have helped older and newer units shine.
Mavuika is selfish, and is literally not worth the primos.
The only reason you pull for her is if you really like her, or you're obsessed with big damage numbers.
In my opinion, there should always be a third potential reason you pick up a character, and that is because they add something to the table. Mavuika literally fails to accomplish this.
Plus can just build EM since her EM scaling is better than attack by miles and don’t forget catalyst used so can run thrilling tales if get required EM(1500 is point of diminishing returns for Melt) not to mention that C2 Citali is so broken. 40% shred EM based quills that regenerate with melt and 250 EM to who she shields.
How do people forget citlali is tailored for chasca because xiloen and kazuha don't synergies with chasca citlali is to take the spot with hydro and pyro res (Bennett and furina on team)
Can't wait for Citlali, tbh I use Bennett, Furina and Qiqi with chasca and she just shreds everything
I didn’t forget that, I will talk about it in a future video
Xil is actually strong with Chasca cause doesn’t matter which element you crystallize for Scroll and she gives both shred to your team without timing your rot for double vv
@@timothymealer9922 She can't buff enough to mitigate the damage loss to Chasca when she slots in.. Even qiqi with tenacity is better for C0 Chasca
@ You don’t lose damage at all. She literally E 2 AA gives Chasca 40% ED and 36% shred. You do it at the end. And if running Oro/Mav/Citali you can run Petra on her instead of scroll.
Would've loved to see mention of what you think Citlali might provide for Chasca teams -- think that might be something you cover in a video at some point? I know everyone's been excited about forward melt and melt-vape, but it seems like Citlali's kit is kind of a perfect fit for Chasca/Bennett/Furina teams too?
Will mention Chasca in a later Citlali video! This was just to talk about pyro dps and how they can now utilise forward melts effectively
@@FliponYT Can't wait! 💜
1. How does mav work with ganyu melt team? Need some in depth review on the synergy and performance compared to existing options.
2. Will citlali increase the DPS ceiling for hu tao strongest team? Does citlali get a place in hu tao's current best team (vape team)? Vape-melt synergy doesnt seem to work well without a healer for furina, and the cryo application/melt rate is also a huge concern to be addressed.
Citlali has decent damage decent shielding 20% res shred and damage percent, application, and some more with her weapon
Is Arlecchinos team not just better with kazuha than Xilonen so you can double swirl without tanking up time?
I'm a little confused by what u mean, like who would be the 4th team member after Arlecchino, Kazuha and Xilonen? If ur talking about Bennet or a hydro like Yelan, then tbh yeah that team would be better than the Citlali variant
@ literally read hello? Replace Xilonen with Kazuha
@@Nine_Guinea_Pigs Wasn't really clear with how you wrote it the first time. As for this, if anything Xilonen would be better as solo due to her higher buff duration and ease of use, since double swirling is more a pain than a benefit most of the time. But u could always just run both
@mihailmarin4683 double swirling in this team because of Bennett is very very easy, if anything it’s harder not to double swirl💀
Can't wait for this supp for my Chasca
imma get the granny imma get the granny, no i want arlecchino's weapon, i want arlecchino's weapon, no i want i want clorinde, wait but i want mavuika no, i want the granny I CANT MAKE MY MIND
Cant wait to get citlali she is too adorable
MELT YOI IS BACK!!
Will be back in a few hrs post-beta change to see how my predictions hold up. For now here’s my random darts-at-a-wall guesses:
They’ll buff the attack% she gives herself back up a bit. They’ll only slightly change the damage multipliers on her NAs and CAs. They’ll slightly buff the CA damage buff from her burst. (Even though I would rather they buff the NAs than the CAs. Doing nonstop donuts on the enemy gets old fast.)
Pyro application stays the same. (I wish they would buff it)
And I REALLY hope they nerf her c2 again in exchange for buffing her c1 slightly. Bc c2 is still super broken. 37% damage buff is still crazy.
Not sure what they’ll do with her c4 and buffing capability. The cynic in me thinks they’ll move another 5% of the buff from her burst to her c4. But I really hope that isn’t the case.
She's cryo means not gonna rerun soon
One more reason to pull her over Mavuika 'cuz Mav is gonna rerun soon enough while Citlali will be thrown into cryo jail
What do you mean she’s not gonna rerun soon? She’s never getting a rerun. Her debut banner will be the first and the last.
@skyhart9926 😭
I plan on going for HuTao + Cit + Rosa + Yelan, it sounds like alot of fun!
Keep up with the glaze 🔥🔥🔥
Man i can't wait for 5.3. Im ready to pull for Mavuika, Citlali and Arlecchino now! lol
Hey flip, is there a genshin podcast/ livestream youd recommend? I remember listening to a livestream with you and soul a while ago and i really enjoyed your ahem, non shill takes, any ideas?
There ain’t no game changers in this game, it’s far too easy too complete
Guys, the reason why Mavuika was not a Bennet-Upgrade is because Capitano/Tsaritza will be the one to do it.
That will make the Double cryo team able to melt all of their meltable attack while still getting a *Bennet buff.
Hopefully 😇
Citloli is definitely my top pull priority even over the pyro archon
NAME A BETTER CHARACTER THAT CIT-GOAT-LI, I WAIT.
Razor
@ I said name a character 😭
the team: mavuika, bennett, citlali and xilonen isn't better if you change xilonen to kazuha? citlali can help mavuika stacks and hold natlan sup artifacts, so i think kazuha vv set would increse more the damage
I did some calcs with my C6R5 Chasca in the optimizer, with some scuffed reaction assumptions, and it seems that going from Ororon C6 with Elegy R1 to Citlali C2R1 would increase Chasca's dmg by 25-30%. Even if it's more or less than that, that's good enough for me. I felt that I was not blowing stuff up fast enough. 🤣
I need the dmg increase, I swear 🤡.
What's the best rotation for arlechinno double cryo?. Arlechino E, Bennet EQ, Rosaria Q then citlali QE? Assuming her as ttds holder? Does cinder set active this way
I hope granny doesn’t get nerfed….or even better copium that she gets buffed even more lol 😂
i wish her burst had a lot of dmg though since it’d be great for the granny lovers
Same i already love her design and kit so much
I'd say that previous , arlecchino best team was xilonen mono pyro kazhua but rn. You can freely use those supports with your other character like neuvillette and
Arlecchino just just use citlali and yelan. Or citlali and kaeya ig
+ The fact i have to use my furina and xilonen with itto in my mini account. And neuvillette can work fine with his buddy kazhua but not best. Now i can get citlali for him and maybe childe. So. Even if I don't use furina and xilonen. With him i still have the best support for neuvillette 💀🗿
Pulling her in both main and mini. She's W
Are vape/melt teams really viable for claymore characters? Since they shatter rather than melt, essentially having the same downside other weapon types have against bosses, but also against freezable enemies...
Considering skipping both citlali and mavuika for shenhe. It’s a shame citlali can’t apply enough cryo solo.
Isn't Yoymiya's best team Furina+Xilonen+Bennett? How does that compare with Citlali?
Thoughts on using Citlali with Yanfei? I'm currently running Yanfei with a double hydro vape team, and was planning on adding Citlali to the last slot once i get her.
You can try adding Rosaria for the last slot to see how Citlali will perform in that team since they have identical application.
Hi Flip! hope you notice this. Who do you think will be a better support and shielder for Yoimiya? Citlali or Lan Yan?
Lan Yan's shield is stronger but Citlali provides way more offensive utility.
As Twag said Citlali enables stronger offence than Lan Yan but has a weaker shield. Citlali is a ceiling raise for Yoimiya where Lanyan is mostly a sidegrade damage wise
Thx for the video. About Gaming team, VV for Xianyun isn't better ?
Gaming E / Citlali QE / Benny QhE / XY E (pyro res shred) Q > Gaming. Benny pyro hE should overpower Citlali cryo aura. Even C6 pyro infused NA.
Assuming you get the res shred it is better than sodp. The point I was trying to make but fumbled through is just that the difference between the sets on Xianyun is now less
And what about using kazuha infused with cryo to do the second cryo applicator ?
It might make insane dps
I dont think shes disappointing, I just wanted her to be a DPS lol.
Not pulling her now, even though I love her personality and character design.
You forgot ttds?
I used it when looking at the Mavuika team, outside of that er reqs become a pain
I wanted to ask, but how good is Diona in melt teams where you use Citlali? As example for Ga Ming or Mavuika?
why not use Layla and Citlali for omega shields? I am not sure how strong Citlali's cryo app is but would Layla's slow cryo app be complimentary? Plus Layla can proc tenacity?
i will believe it when i see it .. melt it too inconsistent
Getting guaranteed Citlali, waiting on Mavuika cause she's arkon and will rerun multiple times a year.
One one hand I don’t need her, on the other hand, she won’t rerun until we are in celestia.
280 wishes. My goal right now is zhongli, mavuika, and citlali.
Assuming I have enough to spend for either, do you recommend focusing on getting C0R1 Mavuika and C0R1 Citlali rather than getting C2R1 Mavuika?
What about Ganyu and Layla as 2nd Cryo applicator?
So hu tao just does not work?
And how good is she on Neuvilette? In comparison to other neuvilette freeze team comps/supports?
Can't wait for Neuvi buff that he clearly needs 👏(but nah for real I do wonder too, she should be really nice with him?? Especially if he's C1 and can run Furina too so Citlali can buff both)
She enables the best Neuv shielded team and is the best cryo for the role, worse than Ororon, Xilonen tho assuming a Furina Kazuha core
And with hu tao she works fine in vapemelt but that’s about it
So for
Hu tao - Yelan - XQ - Citlali
Citlali is probably gonna be better than c6 thoma and zhongli? More damage yet still comfortable to play?
I have been hearing that citlali can't proc cinders city tho in that hu tao team.
Also hu tao's pyro application is too much to do any forward melts?
Who's the best for arlecchino? Citlali or zhongli?
Is double cryo an actual real team or is it just tc stuff. Because even with c6 Kaeya and Rosaria your melts can really crumble fast in an arle team.
Vape melt really is too fake when you see abysses with like 60% bosses.
I think it is an actual team, but not as much vape melt and I also feel like you could use Kazuha/sucrose cryo infused ults assuming muivakas skill’s pyro app won’t fuck it up but it’s probably best to wait like 2 days and test stuff in co op
@meikkuikamuzu5869 I have not seen a single double cryo with Citlali showcases so I really don't believe them too much. Having already tried double cryo with Rosaria and Kaeya it felt awkward
Well I was pulling for citlali anyway but hey I guess she might work better with chasca than I thought
Yoimiya's best team right now is definitely Chev OL teams with fischl and bennett, but this is pretty close to it and it scales a lot better with vert investment. Does the Yoi team use burst? Also c6 definitely breaks the melt timing unfortunately.
Curious to see Vape melt, I think that'll be best option for her.
nvm i finished the video, unfortunate. I thought it would be better.
I didn’t use Yoi’s burst in my calcs because I didn’t know how to implement it effectively. And yeah even things like C2 Arle can break timings on double cryo it is still quite unstable.
can't wait to use citlali in a freeze team, bc I have no respect for flip's work.. kekw
Same. I'm personally planning to try out freeze, superconduct, and shatter teams. Literally disregarding most of her kit 💀
But man, it's just more fun to not feel restricted by that stuff
How is she a good teammate for kinich? I know there will be another vid but im curious
7:55 Are these calcs done at c0? What about a C3 Furina? Wouldn't it even out?>
All 5* C0, C3 Furina would be better here but with Citlali C2 she would take the lead
Can citlali be on a mavuika team without xiolen because i skipped her lol and how stong is kinich weapon on mavuika ( need to justify not pulling for sig weapon )
You can use sucrose in place of Xilonen as an alternative.
Kinich weapon is about 16-17% behind sig
i dont know anything about the damage calculation fighting whatever part of the game but i like chongyun so would chongyun as main dps with xiangling xingqiu doing their thing with their burtsts with citlali in the team work LOLLLLL
Who would u recommend as a 2nd cyr9 for hutao? Trying to melt consistently and I only have c2 keaya
I don't do the hutao jump cancel, never could do that for some reason
The 3 Xingqiu’s 😂
bro I literally want Mavuika Citlali Clorinde and Arch man but I can only have two, please help
Not “the 3 xingqius” 😭😭😭
I am going for as many mavukia cons as possible if I have leftovers should I get mavukias weapon or citlali, the weapon I’m using with mavukia is redhorn
What are your thoughts on C1 Citlali for arle vape team?
Can Klee forward melt now or still not enough?
Klee can barely forward vape so no. Citlali will be getting most of the melts