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Mavuika ain't proccing cinder all the time, she definitely will need another element to react with to proc it (preferably electro for dendro even tho triggers overload, idk) Or at leasy so i heard
I’m not sure how superconduct can be fixed though. The damage from reaction itself is irrelevant for physical dps’s, because they won’t build EM to amp the damage, and units like Eula don’t apply their element often enough for superconduct to ever be a thing. They could make the def shred even higher, but that still wouldn’t be enough. Physical units really need their own Faruzan at this point.
@@DemanaJaire They just need to release an OP artifact or support that synergizes with the reaction. For example: when Superconduct is triggered, the team gets a boost to Crit Damage or something. Or make Superconduct also reduce the target's Defense as well.
@@DemanaJaire On field character that applies a lot of element. Like, let's say there's a new 5star Cryo razor, if u use kuki with him then kuki can superconduct all ring his E (kind like we now play hyperbloom, but doing superconduct instead).
You know what would be funny? If Varka ends up specifically buffing Mondstadt characters. LOL. (Like... it'd be lowkey hilarious if every single Knight of Favonius benefits from having him come home, yeah?)
My thoughts exactly given Natlan characters are designed around buffing each other and I expect Varka to be connected to Natlan even a tiny bit given he encountered Capitano and drank with Mavuika. Sometimes, characters from a region that's not the latest one at the time have mechanics similar to characters from the latest region; e.g. Shenhe and Yun Jin buffing a specific playstyle much like Gorou and Kujou Sara, Baizhu, Kirara, and Yaoyao being Dendro, and Gaming having HP fluctuation similar to Lyney, Neuvillette, and Wriothesley. Varka would also become a highly beginner-friendly character in this case since three out of four of the starter characters are Knights of Favonius. It'd be more interesting, though, if whatever Favonius-related buffs Varka gives will also apply to the Traveler once he/she gets the Honorary Knight title much like how the Ultimate Overlord's Mega Magic Sword gets stronger as the player completes more Melusine quests. This assumes Varka will be released in the middle of 5.x, though. If Varka gets released shortly before Snezhnaya's arrival, though, he may instead be a strong support for Snezhnaya characters much like Kuki Shinobu with Dendro characters, Baizhu with Neuvillette, Emilie with Kinich, (off-topic) Ruan Mei with Weakness Break-oriented characters, and Sunday with Remembrance characters. Yes, I know it doesn't make sense lore-wise but I guess HoYo makes us want to regret not pulling seemingly "useless" characters. I mean, if Lyney wants three Pyro characters at max while his twin sister Lynette wants a rainbow team, HoYo can do practically anything they want.
Do we even have a slightest inkling of what element/role Varka might play? I do hope he gives a good teamwide support. The fact he had been described as big and strong might make him seem a DPS, I know, but he's also a leader. A charismatic and capable leader pulling his whole team together seem fitting imo (not to mention we have over-saturation of DPSes). I so wanted Mavuika to be a circle-impactless Bennett, but it turned out not to be the case... so... A near archon class support (maybe with an option to be an on-fielder with constellations, for those who want him to be a DPS). Please Hoyo, make it happen! 🙏
I wonder if we'll get a sword or bow dedicated physical carry that attacks with also cryo infusion more like a cryo/physical infusion. Might make it more synergystic with mika.
i believe hoyo is doing this on purpose as spite against eula somehow as a c6 eula main, its demoralising seeing every other character get buffed while eula is left in the dust the only reason my eula competes with modern characters rn is because i have her at C6
A physical meta would be thematically fitting for Khaenri'ah considering how it's supposed to be a godless society so it's likely not too reliant on elemental energy or Celestia. So I feel like Snezhnaya will focus on cryo based reactions and only buff physical ones in its later phases before we get to Khaenri'ah.
I was thinking khaenri’yah would have a more abyssal element like dainsleif has, and snezhnaya sort of goes for the physical, since the fatui is vehemently against celestia. Though it could easily be something like snezhnaya has delusions or something like that and khaenri’yah has 3 focus: light, dark, and physical.
@ I don’t have any expectations of more elements being added tbh. For us veteran players it may be fine, but I’m quite sure the devs are aware adding more elements may overwhelm new or future players and overcomplicate things without really making the game more fun. What I think is more likely to happen is that characters like Dain or Skirk will have built-in Abyss/light energy in their mechanics similar to Ousia/Pneuma are for Fontaine characters or Phlogistone/NB states are for Natlan ones. They can always find a way to give characters vision or some lore twist to justify giving them access to elements.
I would love to see a physical subdps that make coordinate normal attacks with the onfield character and those normals should use the buffs for the active character, this way they can be buffed by mika/yunjin as well
I can't see freeze getting buffed at all if they don't change how freeze affects bosses otherwise that reaction needs an overhaul more than a buff *(I've heard an example like causing a damage over time effect and calling it frost bite instead of freeze on non freezable enemies)* That being said I can see physical genuniely improving possibly
Or they could have an amplifying freeze reaction, like Miyabi got the Frostburn frost anomaly instead of ice anomaly in ZZZ, thus amplifying the way it works. So there could be a character that causes def shred on enemies that get frozen, and each time frozen is applied, the drf shred builds up, so you want to apply frozen as many times as possible.
It could just slow the movement speed of bosses slightly, it should have never been a binary switch like it is. It should’ve always slowed movement/attack speed depending on the weight of the enemy like how grouping works, so small enemies can get completely stilled, but bosses are only slightly slowed.
@@flamezforthegamez1056or just copy the daze mechanic so that after u apply a certain amount of cryo the enemies get frozen (stunned in zzz which is same thing) and get amplified damage during that time
A character I'd be very interested to see in the future would be a character that bufs Charge atk Speed. I don't think we have anything that buffs charge atk speed specifically, but I think it could make an interesting interaction with characters like Ganyu or itto. It's definitely niche though.
@@Kmn483 Which charge attackers were you using? For sword attacks and catalyst users, you could weave in Normal attacks. Yelan gives scaling dmg% which is nice too.
That would be so good because imagine just a 20% increase in atk speed whuch would negate shielders as she can avoid without losing so much of her damage
I strongly suspect that Iansan will be the super-conduit buffer/physical sub DPS unit. The reason being is that in the Archon quests we learn she is basically a personal trainer AND a dietician with most of her clients being athletes. In addition, her tribe, the Collective of Plenty, seems to have a theme around physical strength and feats. If Iansan is such a character then it is very easy to see Eula become the most improved character, because right now Eula is the worst Limited 5* IMO due to having very poor support.
Yea I agree, she's probably the worst limited 5* DPS, if even that. I have her C6, and she still noticeably struggles with the HP sponges that are bosses now-adays. Which isn't all to surprising since the whole point of the game is to use elemental reactions, but then why even release a physical carry, right? Either way, I still love my queen, no one or thing could make me hate her.
@kaito5685 Iansan looks like she will be electro. If she is a 5* SuperConduit buffer AND Physical Sub DPS (so a combination of Emilie and Chevreuse but for SuperConduit) it would be a massive boon for Eula, and she would rise from the worst *5 limited to being at least high tier. Not top tier, because I have seen rumors that Capitano will be a playable *5 Cyro/Sword character and HE would be the top tier Physical main DPS character.
@@AevyChOff-field normal attack could have some really fun animations, like the sword flying around on its own or the bow used as part of an auto crossbow with a floating Adeptus or King Deshret
@@studiesinflux1304 Ah, Celestial Hymm Teri my beloved. Her ult in HI3rd had swords circling around her. If hoyo wanted to, they could've copied it and put it in Genshin but alas
Mika could really benefit with a physical damage characters that gain a lot from attack speed. Claymore characters like Eula and Freminet need so much more attack speed to see the same damage increase because the hit lag is so long. He’s actually occasionally used on Wanderer and Ayato teams for attack speed but imagine how much more he could do for a physical version of them or Yoimiya.
realistically, he'd be perfect as a general damage buffer rather than physical since he helps the characters who need that archetype of support the least and anyone else trying to use it is actively nerfing themselves. I love using him in hyperatk Wanderer though!
Chasca and Clorinde for me are the most surprising versatile units, that I would argue are some of the best picks for any account to enable and enjoy lots of teams
@@hectorlackless She's not tho She can use literally any combination of PECH characters and perform great Even 2 of them and Xilonen is amazing cus she is worth the loss of one bullet And with cons, she is not losing anything at all People use Furina and bennet cus they always use Furina and bennett, or XL Sure they give her the highest buffs but i am running an Ororon, Mona and Xilonen team and never had issues with any fight With Chasca's mobility and freedom, hovering above bennett's dumb circle sounds like torture...
@@alexprus7953Not specifically, but she outperforms all 3 of them in their BiS teams. She also makes full use of characters like Thoma/Candace/Yun Jin which those characters can't. She also enables no healer Furina teams because of her self-healing. That's like saying Arlecchino doesn't enable any new teams because Yoimiya and Hu Tao exist.
IMO Chasca is the best DPS in the game, just because she'll synergize with pretty much every broken PHEC support or sub-DPS that comes out in the future. At C1 she can basically make use of any broken character that comes out in the future regardless of element.
Nilou will always improve just because every new Dendro and Hydro character has the potential to open up new team variants for her. Been maining her since her release and love how more options pop up!
Thing is I could see Xianyun getting better, sure she is the best healer for Furina and buffs Xiao. But if we got an even better plunge dps/character then Xianyun would %100 be in that team, even though right now she has really good teams. But that's support in the end.
@@N1GHTM4R3W0LF best one is xilonen due all the buffing she does beside the great heals, i replaced my Jean with Xilonen and so now with xilo, kazuha furina, yelan this team just clears anythin with ease and really fast
@@N1GHTM4R3W0LF It depends on a comparison, Baizhu is great for Furina Hyperbloom if you are trying to do that. But Xianyun doesn't steal vapes and in fact helps with most reactions, has more heal ticks per second procing Furina's buff more frequently on top of a beefy heal when you first use her burst and it keeps up with Furina's hp drain more frequently especially at C2 Furina where the drain is heavier, where as Baizhu only gets 3 and requires you using his E to keep up with that so requires more on field time. Baizhu's heals are bigger yes but from my experience owning both I find Baizhu usually end at least %75 - %85 due to infrequent of his passive heals and Xianyun rarely dips below %90 unless I don't have her burst. Xianyun also can carry VV shredding enemy defenses which Baizhu can't, Baizhu also requires more ER as 80 vs Xianyun's 70. Mind you I don't hate Baizhu in fact I love him and find him useful, especially in dendro teams but if we are only comparing them by C0 then Xianyun is the better healer for Furina unless you are doing hyperbloom. Since less field time, less ER required, More healing tics/furina buff stacks per sec, no reaction steal, and can carry VV. But that isn't to say Baizhu isn't a great healer for her as objectively he is really good as well.
They would have to buff Eula to do 3 times the damage to compete. Right now you do the entire dance and hope the opponent don't move and your ult crit for the dmg of 1 Mualani charge attack. I don't mind resetting Abyss for failed crits, but atm I can't see them suddenly releasing 3 characters for a premium Eula Team
She's mainly lacking a good cyro support. Raiden provides a small buff, energy, and electro app while Bennett provides flat ATK to herm. Obviously neither are perfect for her but even with just one new teammate she can improve quite a lot
You're seriously underrating Eula. Her best speedrunning team: Raiden, Rosaria, Bennett, isn't even perfect for her and yet they can still do reasonable clears. Even if you just look at the numbers, the team hits around 55k sheet dps - close to Childe International which is a team that is very popular and often praised
@@NendouHoudan Childe International is still great for speedruns, and Eula's "best" team isn't even that good for her. Just imagine what she could do if she had 3 proper teammates
Why is no one talking about the issue of cinder city not working on burning (as there is no reaction of pyro on already burning enemies) so mavuika will not consistently proc it in kinich teams...
I mean, both Mavuika and Traveler will also be our new best burgeon characters so plenty of Kinich characters can start over burning instead, but yeah no many think about the downside of burning being primarily dendro. But you also can't forget that the cinder city buff duration is really long so you get plenty of use out of it still.
I'm no burning expert, but, pyro being unable to apply again on an already burning target shouldn't be an issue in Kinich teams. Even on an burning target, u can re-apply dendro - ohhhhh. THATS what u meant (i think). My brain to English translation for u people: Since pyro is unable to be re-applied on an already burning target, if ur Cinder City (CC for short) user is a pryo unit, e.g. Mavuika, then ull have to hope to god that either the burning duration ends or u kill said burning target within 20s to then re-proc CC. CC - "After the equipping character triggers a reaction related to their Elemental Type, all nearby party members gain a 12% Elemental DMG Bonus for the Elemental Types involved in the elemental reaction for 15s. If the equipping character is in the Nightsoul's Blessing state when triggering this effect, all nearby party members gain an additional 28% Elemental DMG Bonus for the Elemental Types involved in the elemental reaction for 20s. The equipping character can trigger this effect while off-field, and the DMG bonus from Artifact Sets with the same name do not stack." More specifically the "If the equipping character is in the Nightsoul's Blessing state when triggering this effect, all nearby party members gain an additional 28% Elemental DMG Bonus for the Elemental Types involved in the elemental reaction for 20s." part is where the issue with burning duration and CC duration collide. Single pyro (Mavuika) seems more reliable with this in mind. I havent tested it or seen tests but access to her kit and CC set info is enough for me to come to this conclusion. Although, 2x pyro resonance loss is nasty. Kinda hope that we get a pyro healer that is better suited for Kinich teams and not circle impact orientated. I'd say someone who shreds pyro and dendro res, and heals when burn ticks occur. Burn ticks quite fast so they'll have to be balanced around that.
@@Khristolfhur if you apply pyro first then you will apply cc effect in the first rotation but then afterwards it can be dificcult to proc cc consistely, maybe if the dendro character has the cc set they could but by that point it would be better to have deepwood, well se how mavuika will handle it, i think the cc effect will be applied cause they would not messed up even more a bad reaction like burning
@@juan.argueta regarding "if you apply pyro first then you will apply cc effect in the first rotation": If the CC user is pyro this wont work as the CC user needs to proc the burn reaction for the set bonus to work - "After the *equipping character* triggers a reaction related to their Elemental Type". If the CC user was dendro then it would work and it will be consistent. However, there are no dendro Natlan characters aside from Kinich, and Kinich is a dps - that i personally use deepwood on. I find that codex isnt all that synergistic with him due to the way he uses night-soul. He gains them, then uses them all up at once. Codex requires the (mostly) consistent depletion of night-soul points to give the crit rate buff. U can still use it on him and get similar results, but deepwood fits better for its proc requirements (and my brain likes the idea of deepwood over codex). If i had Kinich C2, then i would use codex. As C2 is a built in deepwood. Unless C2 and deepwood stacked that is
I'd say Lyney benefits from Citlali more than any other pyro dps mainly due to the fact that ppl have severe skill issue and need a shield. With the addition of Citlali, shielding is actually an optimal option for the first time, cuz even with Zhongli you were trading dmg for comfort. His best team should then be furina, bennet and citlali, and from my calcs it should be the second best dps team in the game behind Mualani(if mavuika's app is enough for her) Arle also benefits but less cuz less of her dmg is reactable compared to Lyney who can potentially vape/melt all hits. Wanderer has potential to get better, besides faruzan he really doesnt have good options. You can play furina/bennet or high cons jean or double hydro wheelchair but what he really wants is a yunjin that does something more besides just na buffing. For mono element teams, I can see them releasing an artifact set for the supports of those elements. For example, it can be like scroll, when you have 3 members of the same element it gives 40% bonus or crit. Freeze needs an overhaul. The fact that it simply doesn't work on bosses makes freeze/shatter teams useless to the point its better to play mono cryo most of the time. It's also the reason why I think Citlali is gonna face a lot of issues in boss content. Most of her best teams are vape-melt and that interaction simply doesn't work or is straightup a negative for the team against bosses as they cant be frozen, so the cryo just eats up your hydro and you get less vapes in general. I can see Ororon seeing more usecase in overload teams that use Mavuika, mainly Clorinde/Raiden. His a4 should trigger every 2 secs and he should generate ns for Mavuika burst. Lanyan is an interesting unit, she can free up your kazuha from neuvi team which I think is massive no ones talking about. There's a chance they just release a better bennet, no circle impact, might also give teamwide atk buffs, use scroll(looking at you Ifa). And if thats the case most atk scalers would want him. There's no telling what mhy has planned.
Chasca is the one I see having the most potencial. as long as it is a pech character it works on her team. Any new broken pech will be her new bis. Let’s say they release a cryo Bennet, it works for her. If tsaritza is an insanely buffer for cryo units… no problem she can fire only cryo bullets.
Citlali is already looking to be a good support for Chasca too. She buffs Pyro and Hydro damage, holds a Cinder City artifact set so Cryo is also buffed meaning that all Chasca needs is a little set up to really pop off. The shield doesn't hurt either.
Assuming that Snezhnaya's cryo units actually do come (we know at least the tsaritsa will be Cryo, perhaps she's a cryo bennett but better), then I see Gaming Melt actually becoming something worthwhile, or any pyro main dps with a melt comp. Of course, at the moment there seems to only be one pyro character we get in Natlan (Mavuika/Pyro Archon), so there may only be the Tsaritsa as a cryo buff.
we already got "cryo" bannet tho in character like Shenhe while its short = few hit the buff still strong..having c6 littery mean u have nothing to worry with buff stack..but its expensive but i can say is absolutely worth becouse the buff is crazy strong for character that can Deal Cryo Na..or just insert congyun u littery can make Everyone Cryo Dps.
I pulled a C2 Navia when everybody said she was mid, but I knew (copium) that a great geo support for her would some day come and make her even better! Same is going to happen with Chasca I'm sure
I think all NA attackers could see a dedicated support. Wanderer, Yoimiya, etc. We do have Yun and Candace but none of them are 5 star levels of power. Candace works with Arlecchino by directly buffing her hits. ATK speed wouldn't really benefit Arlecchino because of the way she works, giving a method where Yoimiya theoretically could improve in relation to her. It would also benefit Physical because pumping flat DMG though the higher goblet stats of Physical DMG and the higher available shred may maximize the buff from said hypothetical dedicated NA support. Would also make Mika viable since Mika adds crit and more Phys DMG to said buff.
My dark horse pick is Albedo getting buffed if and when Shatter becoming a thing we can use on bosses and if the damage is amplified somehow. That Elemental Mastery buff on his burst feels like it has never been used in a meaningful manner.
My super copium theory is that Durin will become a playable character who will synergize with Albedo somehow. I don't know how likely this would actually be, but my heart wants it so badly.
I mean, NA focused characters can improve A TON whenever a subdps with coordinated attack releases, so while your point about Arle and Yoimiya is very solid, other elements with more limited main dps options can also really grow in power, like Wanderer and Alhaitham for instance. For example, no one thought anything of Noelle for the longest time, but Itto's signature weapon, Furina and Xilonen raised her power INCREDIBLY. She's in my opinion the strongest 4* main dps, and by a lot.
i don't think we will get an upgrade to Bennett because i think hoyo realised themselve that they made him too good. Still really weird that the only Pyro character in the Pyro nation for now is the archon but on the other hand we didn't get many hydro characters in fontaine either. I just wish they would do something interesting with the Pyro element because it is mostly on field DPS.
Didn't occur to me until this video that Citlali could be really good for Gaming and even tho I run him with Kaeya to enable Gaming to melt Citlali could be a good option too if I decide to go for her. I'm still praying they give Citlali the ability to buff cryo bc I'm looking for ANY reason to see my Wriothesley teams improve while Shenhe's still locked up. I'm still hoping pyro Traveler can be a good teammate for Kinich so I have an alternative to Ororon to run Cinder City with for Kinich but Ororon's still getting the job done for sure. Still leaning towards trying for Citlali over Mavuika unless she ends up being more than just another pyro DPS and is SO much better than pyro Traveler as a burning driver for Kinich team. We'll see what Citlali's kit ends up being like but I have higher hopes at pulling for her bc she has more team options on my account than another big pyro boom attacker.
1:40 I disagree in Ororon's case because the more Natlan charcters we get the more Ororon drivers will exist, starting with Mavuika for which he is the best overload partner.
Honestly, there are two biggest buffs they can give that will effect the most amount of characters is a character or artifact set that increases charge attack speed. It would buff *inhales*: Xinyan, Ganyu, Klee, Lyney, Itto, Chasca, Keqing, Amber (although not enough), Sethos aaaand Yanfei. All these characters either would either like this or actively suffer because of their slow charged attack. The second is Elemental Burst Cooldown reduction (something that dori should have but doesn't) Ei, Mona, ganyu AGAIN (but for Sub DPS build), Childe, Bennett, Diona, Xinqiu and probably more that I can't think of. To be honest. A Skill cooldown reduction set/character besides thundering fury also deserves to be on here.
Looking forward to Chasca team options. I got extremely lucky and managed to get her weapon at around 40 pity as my first ever 5 star weapon from said banner. Im saving for Citlali but ill probably go to max pity - fail - then be force to save for either another option, a different character for another team or for her re-run. Iv just got that bad luck in Genshin exclusively. And y tf is my text black on a black background when writing a comment? I didnt do this
I love Eula. I have her. But I can't imagine how they could give her a support that stops her kit from being clunky. The clunkiness is baked in hard. 7 seconds backload. Miss your crit and your entire rotation was for nothing. How could they fix that without changing her kit? I don't see it.
Characters that buff crit rate, building a team that actually makes use of cryo res, good battery team mates. A lot of things can make her more consistent.
That's why Rosaria is so good with her. She gives crit rate, plus cryo resonance, plus her c6 gives gives 20% phys res. But it doesn't change Eula's heavy ER needs on top of crit, and that's why I think they'll give a new artifact set when physical becomes relevant. It's just a very long wait :(
@@lulufortytwo3884 Yeah, but Rosaria is too clunky to actually get the crit buff on eulas burst and she doesn't offer that much for the team besides a tiny res shred. Modern units with the same idea should give eula a good boost with uptime and battery potential.
Honestly I think lyney has a chance to go god tier, he's already very strong and we know we're getting 2 very good pyro units, if one of them has any support skills or pyro buffs/ off field dps, lyney may just go nuclear, and he's already kinda nuts.
Think Navia is a character you may be incorrect about. A general buff character who provides really good crystallization, would be double thumbs up, for that gal :-) Even though she may prefer non geo characters, now that she have Xilonen
Time to take my opportunity to be a hot take generator since there's some strong Hopium being huffed here. 1) Superconduct: I think there will be an Electro support who acts much like Chevreuse. I do not think there will be any Physical buffing. Physical was a failure, and the time to save it was Inazuma and not now. Any Phys support from it will be an accident if any. 2) Mono Geo: the player base mostly has rejected mono Geo. Mono Geo is a curse, not a blessing. Characters for mono Geo won't sell, any success they have there will be a byproduct. An example of this would be a Construct character. They will be part of double Geo cores and just so happen to be effective in mono Geo.
I would put Shenhe higher just by virtue of her being a support. Monocryo has some uniquely good potential due to the synergies (crit buffs, resonance, energy regen, Shenhe quills) that encourage multiple cryo characters. Also, Shenhe got a pretty crazy good buff with Xilonen (especially c2) that people are overlooking. I can easily see more of that.
Shenhe (also Diona, especially at C6) also got a massive buff being one of Chasca's best teammates, even though Citlali will replace her as Chasca's best Cryo teammate next patch. C1 Chasca will be great with Pyro + Citlali + Shenhe for an extremely strong Melt team though. IMO Shenhe will be the unit with the most future potential, especially because the Cryo region is next. I don't think Eula is even remotely close to being top spot, because if they ever make Physical good they're going to release a new limited 5* Physical DPS that severely powercreeps Eula.
From what you reported on Mavuika and Citlali, I think Ganyu melt will finally be viable again, and might get easier. Citlali as a shielder, also giving cryo resonance, Mavuika applying pyro, and Xilonen healing, with the three of them buffing one way or another. Probably will need to think of other artifact sets for them though, since you can't stack cinder city (if I'm wrong and you can, please tell me). Anyway, can't wait to get my first 5 star main out of the closet, go cocogoat
Even if Eula DPS with some support or inderect buff will sky rocket, it wont fix her biggest problem - Delayed nuke that easily misses and unreliable. It's similiar story to Jingyuan in HSR, but unlike him there's no way they release support that somehow fixes that flaw like they did with Sunday. Even if her DPS will become good, she still will be in a flawed and clunky state. Same I can say about Klee, the only way they can make her much more competitive if they allow her burst be onfield while she is offield, which WONT happen im quite sure, but at least there is chance for support to appear that makes character omni-present being onfield and offield at the same time, however its still unlikely to happen. Shenhe isn't bad, everyone she can support just is. Ayaka is in a decent state but new artifact set with possible future CC units could fix her quite easily especially with Sneznhaya coming out soon, Ganyu can be buffed too quite easy with charged attack buffer like they did with Xiao.
You spoke my mind. Eula doesn't need a support buffer to deal more damage, she needs her whole kit revamped and overhauled from the ground up, and I don't see that happening because, you know, it's Hoyo Genshin dev team we're talking about.
You had me thinking if there would be a character that immediately "detonates" the remaining damage multipliers on bursts that deal damage over a period of time, but it would still be a better buff to just about everyone else. (With the other characters, you can choose to not trigger that effect to avoid doing more damage than you need to clear a wave.)
Hear hear. My thoughts exactly while watching the video. Hoyo designed themselves into a corner with Eula. She will never get better because Hoyo designed her during amateur hour
I think the real issue of a lot of these characters is that their numbers are simply too bad to be worth using even with the perfect team. Yunjin is a prime example of it, all the teams where she would be good she is just worse than other options that interact with more worthwile parts of genshins combat system and thus get more dmg. Similarly many elements are artificially weak like electro which constantly gets mid carries to account for aggravate or dendro which just hasnt gotten characters since 3.X that support a dendro reaction playstyle. So rather than existing carries getting better its much more likely that they get replaced by a carry that is actually up to current powercreep standard. Cryo as a whole will likely get replaced as the whole element is outdated, so the next region will likely bring a support + carry duo ala neuvillette furina to reintroduce the element to the meta.
I 100% agree....a lot of people forget these units used to be top tier but fell off due to powercreep,the simple solution is to multiply their damage and that fixes everything easily lol actually take a look at characters who were bad but became good later and why Kuki used to be trash but is now insane cause hyperbloom does a lot of damage,she still has the same issues that made her suck,but she does enough damage to make up fod it Xiangling was never "bad" but she's literally the worst character if you look at her kit design and issues lol,but she does so much damage people tend to overlook her issues and it's only appearent in teams where you use her purely for the app(IE. Mualani teams,kinich teams with furina,etc) And the list goes on,a characters issues are simply irrelevant if they do enough damage to be above most other options
Hi, Huge Ganyu fan here) I feel a bit upset at times when people judge her exclusively by dps performance and arrive to unfair conclusions. She can absolutely dps if you want, but most her kit revolves around off field dmg, that's how she shines the most. I also really love Dehya, (especially Dehya+Emilie core) I'm expecting Dehya become better with Mavuika, they'd look so nice together, I'm sure they would play well) Love your videos, thank you!
Lyney doesn't make any sense. Considering how squishy he is, he benefits more from a character like Citlali than Arlecchino. The Furina vape or mono pyro teams in particular no longer have to cope with Zhongli if you were after comfort.
I do believe Xiao's story may repeat with Eula, most of her problems would solve when she receives actual supports, but I do think that better reaction buffs should be given, like improving the effects of superconfuct or making that shatter also scales with physical bonus...
I don’t think Eula will ever be great, her burst is just clunky and reliant on enemy ai to reliably stack her ult. Plus she already has really good teammates.
@@Northseed49 her teammates are good in general, just not made for her. What xiao received with faruzan and xianyun, is what eula needs....we don't talk about mika
@@Northseed49 her teamates are terrible for phys, furina loses half her damage , raiden has lower damage on field than albedo in mono geo from off field while stealing field time from eula, and mika is not only a weak support they have massive anti synergies
I would say Navia has quite a bit of potential still as he current teams are just double geo and 2 good characters lol. If we got 2 good off fielders of different PECH elements that would do reactions and stuff while she is on field her teams could potentially see improvement. Also I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a Bennet sidegrade sooner than later or a different rare stat buffer that would compete for his spot (say a crit buffer). So every generic atk scaler has a good amount of potential imo. We currently don't have an anemo Natlan support yet (support Chasca? Could unironically work lol), so characters like Wanderer and Xiao have room for potentially improving by being able to use cinder city. Also with Wanderer, ATK speed is a stat that has a lot of potential, especially if they adjust the cap on it. I feel like Cyno has solid improvement potential. For example a dendro version of Kuki would make him significantly better simply by removing the need to run Nahida. I actually don't think many of those cryo characters "improve" (unless they rework freeze a bit so it isn't a detrimental reaction against bosses). The issue is that I think they'll just powercreep or QoLcreep the already existing cryos so while they would technically improve, they would likely still be uninteresting for the teams where they'd be used in. Ayaka and Ganyu are likely going to improve but they're also the most likely to be powercrept. Shenhe is in an awkward spot where she is kinda the Albedo of cryo, you can't really make good cryo support without powercreeping her lol. Raiden I think has TONS of completely untapped potential. She is a extremely strong energy battery and an okay buffer for elemental bursts while acting as a good strong driver/on fielder... but she hasn't gotten ANYONE new to buff or battery. The last high burst cost sub dps that deals mostly burst damage was Yelan. And while Yelan is great, she isn't like amazing at sub dps damage. The other option is Xiangling, who also isn't exciting. IF we get more high burst cost characters (70+) that have VERY strong and impactful bursts, I can definitely see Raiden becoming more valuable again. Imagine a meta defining strong off field dps but they have the same 90 cost and 18s CD burst as Raiden, they would only really be able to show their true potential with Raiden. Yae also just doesn't have gear lol. None of the 5* weapons really work with her full kit as even her signature leaves out her burst. All the artifact sets too that she can use are just not ideal with her full kit. Personally I'm hoping for a new electro artifact set that gives modern levels of stats from set bonuses and hopefully for a 5* weapon that boosts her burst as well as her turrets. I think Gorou has kinda seen the end of his career thanks to Xilonen. Itto on the other hand could definitely use a generally good PECH character that works with him as Yelan is kinda awkward. I kind expect pyro archon to be great with him. I don't really think Yun jin has anywhere to improve to. She is already just a Bennet sidegrade and double geo with her and Xilonen probably won't be replaced anytime soon. Maybe we get a ridiculous def buffer? For Mona, I wouldn't really say that simply buffing a new dps is an improvement lol. I personally expect (and hope lol) for Bennet to start losing value sooner or later. We are kinda overloaded with DMG% buffs and res shred at the moment so I suspect that HYV will move on to other stats when designing buffers soon. If we get crit buffers or Def shredders, Bennet no longer is the only support that buffs a "unique" stat, which would make him less desirable. I also expect Furina to be kinda phased out slowly. She'll never be bad or out of meta probably but I think she is the most replaceable of our current top buffers. Simply because her buff isn't actually that good as she is usually paired with Bennet/XIlonen rather than full party healer. Also I can see her hydro application getting more and more detrimental in near future. However, there is always the possibility that we get a stupid strong full party healer in the near future so it's not like she can't improve. Also, Furina, Xilonen, Mavuika sub dps/support core sounds pretty damn strong lol.
I disagree with your last statement, I agree that Furina will slowly, very slowly become outrageous, but she DEFINITELY has a better buff and kit than Xilonen and Bennet, not by much, but it's still better, the fact that there is almost an absolute need for a global healer has been proven false for a long time, a healer like Bennet, Xilonen, Kuki Shinobu among others have already proven themselves enough, not to mention that the use of such healers actually increases its value, with other buffs that come with these healers.
@@Dakyi Her buffing is severly slowed down by using a single target healer. Xilonen, Bennet etc provide all of their buffs instantly, while Furina doesn't even necessarily ever get her full buff out. Also her buff is by far the most replaceable at the moment as DMG% is so oversaturated compared to say ATK buffs. What makes Furina so good is that her sub dps capabilities are really good with out current best characters while also providing a good and universal buff. But if her off field role stops being relevant, she will lose out to Bennet and Xilonen when it comes to raw buffing power. Also, Xilonen and Bennet do valuable role consolidation in being healers and buffers. Furina on the other hand is a buffer who needs you to add a healer to the party. So if Bennet for example gets powercrept by a non healer atk buffer, Furina's value also drops at the same time.
@akiinkala9287 Surely the proof of what you say must be the usage rate, or the acquisition rate, or perhaps the actual usage rate per run in the abyss, or perhaps by content creators and experts + calculations, I'm sure that's it, right? That's what supports your thesis, or is it just something unfounded?
@@Dakyi Not sure what you're refuting? Furina's buffs are well known to be slow to stack with a single target healer, meaning that her overall buff is ~40%-50% on average over her burst duration. That is a much worse buff than what Bennet or Xilonen/Kazuha provides. Especially when we already have tons of DMG% buffing from different sources. Of course it applies to everyone so it can still be relevant in teams with multiple damage dealers. And hydro is quite disruptive as an element, so it's very possible that Furina stops being so universally used if/when we get more dedicated supports or supports/sub dpses with "correct" elements. Bennet and Xilonen on the other hand can fit in almost any team as they don't really interfere with anything. And naturally if one of the best healer character gets replaced with a non-healer, then Furina's value drops.
Bro as a cryo fan I hope they will not just release overpowered powercreep , but actually raise up cryo as a whole. I already have c2 ayaka /c1 wrio /c6 kaeya, rosaria …. . And all of my cryo 5star are triple crown 👑 and with a really good artefacts set for each of them ! ( Eula included ) but since I didn’t get shenge…. Bro I skipped her because I expected her to get back ….lol 😂… The good surprise to me in Natlan is Mona ! With mualani Mona is a very satisfying unit , I have her c2 , full atk stats on emblem with favonius , lv 80 talent 1/1/8 . With my f2p mualani i clear the new dendro boss in literally 2hits !😂 850k burst and a 400k skill hit . I one shot the dragon 😂😂 …. With the 4star catalyst Dmn!
you know what would be cool? we have the electro tribe from natlan left. so there's the possibility of having either the 5* or 4* from there buffing physical. if not buffing physical then atleast just superconduct or themselves being a new physical dps unit that works with mika (so iansan as the 5* idk) it's not like electro needs any sort of buff regarding pyro since chevy exists. what if- the 5* electro is a physical dps that works v well with the 4* electro unit there and mika. and you can use the 4* electro on eula teams too. or the 'vehicle' of said unit stays offfield like kachina's drill and does physical dps and electro for eula and holds a new set that shreds physical resistance or something.
It's the mix of grouping be less important these days (more cases of fewer high hp mobs, ones that cannot be vacuumed, and more auto-targeting/attacking off-field DPS) and the duration of the VV debuff.
How is Kazuha even gonna improve? His main value comes from his grouping+ 4pc VV so even if he swirls cryo, it won't change much in terms of HIS damage
12:09 Imo even though you would obviously want Chiori’s C1 if you’re invested in her it’s honestly not even necessary for her core with Xilonen, like my C0 Chiori with R1 Uraku is getting similar clear times/dps in my Mualani, Xilonen, Chiori and Xiangling team compared to the team where i use Kazuha instead of Chiori, like i literally just got done testing out that team in the abyss a few hours ago and got what are probably my fastest Mualani clears in this abyss with the Chiori team. Honestly i’ve been a Chiori fan and believer since day 1 but admittedly she was unfortunately underwhelming when she first released, but nowadays there’s no more excuse for people to not acknowledge her as a strong unit, like she is genuinely great.
7:10 as a itto main i think this is exagerated, the new team with furina xilonen (if both are c0 at least) is a perfect exemple of a sidegrade, it performs exactly the same, of course the ceiling is way higher with c2 furina and c2 xilonen, that's the big difference but without this kind of investment, the classic team is still comfier and free the 2 best characters in the game
it's not "exactly the same" but i agree on the other points. with furina and xilonen alone instead of zhongli and gorou, his damage is already higher like from 49k CA to 60k which is nice. and as for off field dmg, zhongli and gorou are absolute jokes while furina actually does some damage getting buffed by xilonen. the extra dmg done by itto and furina is enough to make up for chiori's and then there's the last seat you can slot bennett or yelan into which directly pushes the team to a higher dps than that of mono geo. TGS sheets also state mono geo at 58k and the newer one at 68k. the difference should become bigger with more investment on both sides.
For Kinich team, if Mavuika is using Cinder City, she cannot trigger the set consistently because the reaction with Kinich is Burning. If Citlani is using Cinder City, there is no reaction between Cryo and Dendro, same scenario with Xilonen. So I guess only Electro and Hydro characters should use Cinder City in Kinich teams.
farming primos for wrio and GOD i hope ur right about this speculation.. hope they start getting more creative with cryo cos there isn't much variety (i haven't played a lot of the characters so excuse my lack of knowledge) but from i see it's too repetitive: wrio's ult is basically a remix of ayaka's, layla's ult is a revamp of ganyu's, charlotte ult is practically rosaria but with healing etc..
One thing that we should hope for is the eventual Level 100. And possibly a third Ascension Passive. That is probably the BEST way to rebalance characters without having new characters in the field.
personally hoping for some kind of "double attack" and/or "increase melee weapon range" buffer exclusive for melee normal attacks. for those who play(ed) elsword, what I'm proposing is basically a mix between IS elsword's phantom sword and GM elesis's sword of victory. eula being able to hit in a huge cone per swing as well as having double hit per attack to compensate for her slow animation(increase atk spd buff like yun jin's hardly makes a difference) would make her a monster.
16:58 Furina buffs all dmg (except for transformative damage) including physical. It's actually why people were kinda sad that Eula couldn't stack her burst with plunging attacks, cause Eula could've been better when Furina + Xianyun was released.
15:56 - 16:03 Yes, hard agree. I've always feel that that's what determines the value of a character. Of course there will be exceptions like Neuvillette, but in general, a dps is worthless if no one can support them, a support is worthless if they have no one to support. Like you said, Genshin is a team game.
Lyney actually has a lot of potential to improve, He has good synergy with Chevreuse and Bennett, but poor synergy with Fischl. As soon as he gets a good electro support to replace Fischl with, his Chevreuse team will become one of the strongest in the game.
unironically the first time i hear about mika's existence as a day 1 player. Btw how sick would it be to have a character with no vision and maybe only a delusion going into the new region
Klee is VERY interesting. If you haven’t played her in the last year or so you might think she’s still clunky and outclassed by the meta but thats actually changed dramatically in the last year- she’s now a premier option in a lot of teams but people are still sleeping. Xianyun, Furina, Baizhu and Emilie are the main reasons. Klee plunge is up there with Diluc because of the easy pyro vapes. Emilie only cares about pyro application of the on fielder, to which Klee is actually great. And the best burgeon team is Klee-Nahida-Furina-Baizhu. The last one is a must try if you have it. Its basically the Klee dream come true as you run and jump around and everything just explodes around you!! Because of this recent glow-up I’m really hesitant to leave Klee in “don’t see it”.
Interesting video we all want our favorite characters to improve and me personally I don't care about the matter I just want my favorite character to be the strongest character on account. For Eula she's been surviving on her raw damage numbers alone with almost no synergy when it comes to supportive characters Rosario gives a teeny tiny 15% physical shred which is almost nothing. You can run Ei and EULA but then you run to the problem of your last two slots need to be defensive options because both of them are very squishy. I got EULA on her first rerun banner and I'm going to be honest she surprises me this a bit cycle I was able to get 3 Stars on champer 3 with a Eula team on one side and a Ei team on the other but I have to use a very different EULA team that makes it to where her Auto attacks are hitting for a good enough amount with an off-field damage dealer like Yelan combined with her 10 to 20K Auto attacks. When EULA gets a dedicated support that synergizes with her kit perfectly I feel she'll get a massive boost in power. The only other character that I would want to get above will probably won't get one Archons never get buffs directly for them.
Speaking of Snezhnaya, I keep looking at the Tsaritsa and what she could bring to the table. I wouldn't be surprised if she was another sub-dps unit similar to Furina. Looking at the current, Cryo units (not including Citlali), we don't have a lot of sub-dps units. But I want Cryo to get improved for sure. In recent years, I've noticed that regional chars tend to prep the gamer for the next region. With Inazuma, with the exception of the final boss, Electro was super useful in Sumeru. Then you had Dendro chars which proved to be useful in Fontaine, and Hydro chars have been the most useful, and now I am like 90% sure that with the Cryo Region coming out next year, Pyro will be vital. And then we get Khaenri'ah, so maybe Cryo chars will help here, especially if they're physical, because I have no idea what to expect for Khaenri'ah as far as why type of team will do well in this part of the game, especially if Dains becomes playable and we all know he uses a different power than the 7 elements.
Itto doesn't need a shield for interruption res but does need it to activate Geo resonance, so to buff the Itto+Gorou+Chiori team the last character needs to have a shield or be a PHEC character and have off field application for crystaliize, because Geo resonance is way too strong especially if you're removing Zhongli's res shred.
After going through Dragonspine this weekend, I wouldn’t be surprised if Snezhnaya ended up boosting ice & physical. So Eula being at the top of this list makes sense to me. That being said, I think alot of pyro on-fielders are going to be eclipsed by Mavuika in the short term. And lastly, I see Neuvillette continuing to be flexible and that’s the key to staying relevant in Genshin, so likely he’s in the top 8 (come all for the hydro dragon’s wild ride!).
A new unit that buffs cryo, electro, and physical when a superconduct happens, or debuffs enemy resistances for those 3 with the same condition could become an absolutely amazing unit that'd buff a lot of team that are underperforming right now.
13:02 it is especially if you can get c6 as it makes him a monster with furina and xilonen. I already get 80-90k plunge vapes with him inside bennet burst.😊
03:13 Albedo could be buffed. We still lack a proper Geo Construct focused unit. Some characters do have interactions with them (Zhongli's pillar ; Chiori's passive ; Geo MC's burst overcapping the number of constructs), but are not focused around making them better (Zhongli's mainly here to shield ; Chiori doesn't buff geo constructs, she buffs herself when one is present ; Geo MC just does damage a buff crit rate). If we get a dedicated support for geo constructs, then Albedo could be improved. Zhongli could get a secondary role as a Geo construct damage dealer. Geo MC could become a nice quickswap DPS. Tough very niche, such a character would be interesting and fun to play around. As long as they keep releasing other units with constructs.
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Mavuika ain't proccing cinder all the time, she definitely will need another element to react with to proc it (preferably electro for dendro even tho triggers overload, idk)
Or at leasy so i heard
I think HuTao will improve cuz some People play melt HuTao and Citlali Buffs melt or did I get something wrong?
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Fischl is guaranteed to get her yearly buff in Snezhnaya 😂
Mondstadt 1.0 character buffed again award
Not if they make snez units only work with snez units similar to mavuika
hope so
Im new how is fischl buffed in natlan?
@@darkheartrifshe got an electro reaction buff. They buffed electro charge and overload. I think shatter as well for cryo.
Snezhnaya. Perfect place to sell some shatter and superconduct.
I’m not sure how superconduct can be fixed though. The damage from reaction itself is irrelevant for physical dps’s, because they won’t build EM to amp the damage, and units like Eula don’t apply their element often enough for superconduct to ever be a thing. They could make the def shred even higher, but that still wouldn’t be enough.
Physical units really need their own Faruzan at this point.
@@DemanaJaire They just need to release an OP artifact or support that synergizes with the reaction.
For example: when Superconduct is triggered, the team gets a boost to Crit Damage or something. Or make Superconduct also reduce the target's Defense as well.
@@DemanaJaire On field character that applies a lot of element. Like, let's say there's a new 5star Cryo razor, if u use kuki with him then kuki can superconduct all ring his E (kind like we now play hyperbloom, but doing superconduct instead).
@@santi3256but super conduct doesn’t do any damage.
@@nguyentandung42 yes it does. Not a lot but it’s an aoe dmg
You know what would be funny? If Varka ends up specifically buffing Mondstadt characters. LOL. (Like... it'd be lowkey hilarious if every single Knight of Favonius benefits from having him come home, yeah?)
My thoughts exactly given Natlan characters are designed around buffing each other and I expect Varka to be connected to Natlan even a tiny bit given he encountered Capitano and drank with Mavuika.
Sometimes, characters from a region that's not the latest one at the time have mechanics similar to characters from the latest region; e.g. Shenhe and Yun Jin buffing a specific playstyle much like Gorou and Kujou Sara, Baizhu, Kirara, and Yaoyao being Dendro, and Gaming having HP fluctuation similar to Lyney, Neuvillette, and Wriothesley.
Varka would also become a highly beginner-friendly character in this case since three out of four of the starter characters are Knights of Favonius. It'd be more interesting, though, if whatever Favonius-related buffs Varka gives will also apply to the Traveler once he/she gets the Honorary Knight title much like how the Ultimate Overlord's Mega Magic Sword gets stronger as the player completes more Melusine quests.
This assumes Varka will be released in the middle of 5.x, though.
If Varka gets released shortly before Snezhnaya's arrival, though, he may instead be a strong support for Snezhnaya characters much like Kuki Shinobu with Dendro characters, Baizhu with Neuvillette, Emilie with Kinich, (off-topic) Ruan Mei with Weakness Break-oriented characters, and Sunday with Remembrance characters. Yes, I know it doesn't make sense lore-wise but I guess HoYo makes us want to regret not pulling seemingly "useless" characters. I mean, if Lyney wants three Pyro characters at max while his twin sister Lynette wants a rainbow team, HoYo can do practically anything they want.
Do we even have a slightest inkling of what element/role Varka might play? I do hope he gives a good teamwide support. The fact he had been described as big and strong might make him seem a DPS, I know, but he's also a leader. A charismatic and capable leader pulling his whole team together seem fitting imo (not to mention we have over-saturation of DPSes). I so wanted Mavuika to be a circle-impactless Bennett, but it turned out not to be the case... so... A near archon class support (maybe with an option to be an on-fielder with constellations, for those who want him to be a DPS). Please Hoyo, make it happen! 🙏
Lets hope when Eula gets her buff there woun't be a new, better, stronger Eula to replace the old one. I'm sure this wouldn't happen. Right?
I’d be so sad if they completely left Eula in the dust 😭
I wonder if we'll get a sword or bow dedicated physical carry that attacks with also cryo infusion more like a cryo/physical infusion. Might make it more synergystic with mika.
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i believe hoyo is doing this on purpose as spite against eula somehow
as a c6 eula main, its demoralising seeing every other character get buffed while eula is left in the dust
the only reason my eula competes with modern characters rn is because i have her at C6
@@tinyzoo727 Same dude, and I'll even say that I got both Shogun and Furina to specifically make her better lmaoooo
A physical meta would be thematically fitting for Khaenri'ah considering how it's supposed to be a godless society so it's likely not too reliant on elemental energy or Celestia. So I feel like Snezhnaya will focus on cryo based reactions and only buff physical ones in its later phases before we get to Khaenri'ah.
I was thinking khaenri’yah would have a more abyssal element like dainsleif has, and snezhnaya sort of goes for the physical, since the fatui is vehemently against celestia. Though it could easily be something like snezhnaya has delusions or something like that and khaenri’yah has 3 focus: light, dark, and physical.
@ I don’t have any expectations of more elements being added tbh. For us veteran players it may be fine, but I’m quite sure the devs are aware adding more elements may overwhelm new or future players and overcomplicate things without really making the game more fun.
What I think is more likely to happen is that characters like Dain or Skirk will have built-in Abyss/light energy in their mechanics similar to Ousia/Pneuma are for Fontaine characters or Phlogistone/NB states are for Natlan ones. They can always find a way to give characters vision or some lore twist to justify giving them access to elements.
I would love to see a physical subdps that make coordinate normal attacks with the onfield character and those normals should use the buffs for the active character, this way they can be buffed by mika/yunjin as well
That’s a cool idea and a viable option to buff physical
0:03 "No character is good alone"
Neuvillette: 🤭
Perfect example for being top tier dps that one will definitely get bored
@@adrastos26 i am nowhere near bored of neuvilette yet 😭
Saaaame @coolios9343
Wriothesley mains have been doing solo challenges too
@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame Yes, but It actually needs skill to pull off a solo run
I can't see freeze getting buffed at all if they don't change how freeze affects bosses otherwise that reaction needs an overhaul more than a buff *(I've heard an example like causing a damage over time effect and calling it frost bite instead of freeze on non freezable enemies)*
That being said I can see physical genuniely improving possibly
Or they could straight up make Tsaritsa broken. And she makes boss freezable
Or they could have an amplifying freeze reaction, like Miyabi got the Frostburn frost anomaly instead of ice anomaly in ZZZ, thus amplifying the way it works.
So there could be a character that causes def shred on enemies that get frozen, and each time frozen is applied, the drf shred builds up, so you want to apply frozen as many times as possible.
It could just slow the movement speed of bosses slightly, it should have never been a binary switch like it is. It should’ve always slowed movement/attack speed depending on the weight of the enemy like how grouping works, so small enemies can get completely stilled, but bosses are only slightly slowed.
Or at least make them Brittle, which is essentially just a Frozen Aura, so that you can use Shatter on them even if they aren't actually Frozen.
@@flamezforthegamez1056or just copy the daze mechanic so that after u apply a certain amount of cryo the enemies get frozen (stunned in zzz which is same thing) and get amplified damage during that time
A character I'd be very interested to see in the future would be a character that bufs Charge atk Speed. I don't think we have anything that buffs charge atk speed specifically, but I think it could make an interesting interaction with characters like Ganyu or itto. It's definitely niche though.
Charge attackers in general need a buffer. My first 3 on-fielders were CA spammers, and my first limited 5-star was Yelan.
...she barely got any use.
@@Kmn483 Which charge attackers were you using? For sword attacks and catalyst users, you could weave in Normal attacks. Yelan gives scaling dmg% which is nice too.
@@bossfan25 Tighnari, Neuv, and Keqing (although for keqing it was mainly the element that was the problem since she still NA x1 before each CA)
@@Kmn483 you could hyper bloom keqing actually but besides that yeah rough people to get with yelan haha
That would be so good because imagine just a 20% increase in atk speed whuch would negate shielders as she can avoid without losing so much of her damage
I strongly suspect that Iansan will be the super-conduit buffer/physical sub DPS unit.
The reason being is that in the Archon quests we learn she is basically a personal trainer AND a dietician with most of her clients being athletes. In addition, her tribe, the Collective of Plenty, seems to have a theme around physical strength and feats.
If Iansan is such a character then it is very easy to see Eula become the most improved character, because right now Eula is the worst Limited 5* IMO due to having very poor support.
Yea I agree, she's probably the worst limited 5* DPS, if even that. I have her C6, and she still noticeably struggles with the HP sponges that are bosses now-adays. Which isn't all to surprising since the whole point of the game is to use elemental reactions, but then why even release a physical carry, right? Either way, I still love my queen, no one or thing could make me hate her.
@kaito5685 Iansan looks like she will be electro. If she is a 5* SuperConduit buffer AND Physical Sub DPS (so a combination of Emilie and Chevreuse but for SuperConduit) it would be a massive boon for Eula, and she would rise from the worst *5 limited to being at least high tier. Not top tier, because I have seen rumors that Capitano will be a playable *5 Cyro/Sword character and HE would be the top tier Physical main DPS character.
@@JaxxBaxRaxorAt the end they will just release her as overload dps/sub dps/support cause every Natlan character has something to do with Pyro.
@@noahd531ororon has nothing to do with pyro, xilonens only relation to pyro is she can buff all PECH elements, Kachina has nothing to do with pyro
Just saying shit, watch her be Overload
What we need:
Off-field Physical DPS
Off-field Normal ATK DPS
Bennett Alternative
Xiangling Alternative
What we get:
Pyro Main DPS
wtf is an offield normal atk dps.
@@mikkunmikkichi3762Off-field DPS that have their damage considered as Normal ATK damage.
Yunjin is going to love it
@@AevyChOff-field normal attack could have some really fun animations, like the sword flying around on its own or the bow used as part of an auto crossbow with a floating Adeptus or King Deshret
@@studiesinflux1304 Ah, Celestial Hymm Teri my beloved. Her ult in HI3rd had swords circling around her. If hoyo wanted to, they could've copied it and put it in Genshin but alas
Just improve cryo 😭
And physical😢
@БезНика-ю1с true. Physical needs attention too
If only EMILIE isnt restricted to burning reaction, she is a good off field Dendro applier to Cyno
@@TechTalk0069 Eula didn't even made her way into the improve tier
@@fastenstryker4943 that's why I said physical needs attention
Mika could really benefit with a physical damage characters that gain a lot from attack speed. Claymore characters like Eula and Freminet need so much more attack speed to see the same damage increase because the hit lag is so long. He’s actually occasionally used on Wanderer and Ayato teams for attack speed but imagine how much more he could do for a physical version of them or Yoimiya.
realistically, he'd be perfect as a general damage buffer rather than physical since he helps the characters who need that archetype of support the least and anyone else trying to use it is actively nerfing themselves. I love using him in hyperatk Wanderer though!
That’s the reason why they have Claymore
Chasca and Clorinde for me are the most surprising versatile units, that I would argue are some of the best picks for any account to enable and enjoy lots of teams
Does Clorinde enable any teams that can't be done by Keqing, Yae, or Raiden?
I thought a con of chasca was that she was said to be tied to benny and furina, could you elaborate?
@@hectorlackless She's not tho
She can use literally any combination of PECH characters and perform great
Even 2 of them and Xilonen is amazing cus she is worth the loss of one bullet
And with cons, she is not losing anything at all
People use Furina and bennet cus they always use Furina and bennett, or XL
Sure they give her the highest buffs but i am running an Ororon, Mona and Xilonen team and never had issues with any fight
With Chasca's mobility and freedom, hovering above bennett's dumb circle sounds like torture...
@@alexprus7953Not specifically, but she outperforms all 3 of them in their BiS teams. She also makes full use of characters like Thoma/Candace/Yun Jin which those characters can't. She also enables no healer Furina teams because of her self-healing. That's like saying Arlecchino doesn't enable any new teams because Yoimiya and Hu Tao exist.
IMO Chasca is the best DPS in the game, just because she'll synergize with pretty much every broken PHEC support or sub-DPS that comes out in the future. At C1 she can basically make use of any broken character that comes out in the future regardless of element.
Nilou will always improve just because every new Dendro and Hydro character has the potential to open up new team variants for her. Been maining her since her release and love how more options pop up!
So far nilou was only indirectly nerfed by more powerful character's being released
The last improvement for her has been released 2 years ago.
Easy buff to geo : having a crystalize shied make your character behave like a construct
Thing is I could see Xianyun getting better, sure she is the best healer for Furina and buffs Xiao. But if we got an even better plunge dps/character then Xianyun would %100 be in that team, even though right now she has really good teams. But that's support in the end.
Best healer for furina is baizhu, but xianyun and Jean are second and third
@@N1GHTM4R3W0LFnah all that baizhu does IS heal jean and xianyun IS a free vv
@@N1GHTM4R3W0LFthat depends on the team
@@N1GHTM4R3W0LF best one is xilonen due all the buffing she does beside the great heals, i replaced my Jean with Xilonen and so now with xilo, kazuha furina, yelan this team just clears anythin with ease and really fast
@@N1GHTM4R3W0LF It depends on a comparison, Baizhu is great for Furina Hyperbloom if you are trying to do that. But Xianyun doesn't steal vapes and in fact helps with most reactions, has more heal ticks per second procing Furina's buff more frequently on top of a beefy heal when you first use her burst and it keeps up with Furina's hp drain more frequently especially at C2 Furina where the drain is heavier, where as Baizhu only gets 3 and requires you using his E to keep up with that so requires more on field time. Baizhu's heals are bigger yes but from my experience owning both I find Baizhu usually end at least %75 - %85 due to infrequent of his passive heals and Xianyun rarely dips below %90 unless I don't have her burst. Xianyun also can carry VV shredding enemy defenses which Baizhu can't, Baizhu also requires more ER as 80 vs Xianyun's 70.
Mind you I don't hate Baizhu in fact I love him and find him useful, especially in dendro teams but if we are only comparing them by C0 then Xianyun is the better healer for Furina unless you are doing hyperbloom. Since less field time, less ER required, More healing tics/furina buff stacks per sec, no reaction steal, and can carry VV. But that isn't to say Baizhu isn't a great healer for her as objectively he is really good as well.
They would have to buff Eula to do 3 times the damage to compete. Right now you do the entire dance and hope the opponent don't move and your ult crit for the dmg of 1 Mualani charge attack. I don't mind resetting Abyss for failed crits, but atm I can't see them suddenly releasing 3 characters for a premium Eula Team
I can't tell if you said Mualani charge attack as a joke or not since her entire kit specifies that it's a NORMAL attack lol
She's mainly lacking a good cyro support. Raiden provides a small buff, energy, and electro app while Bennett provides flat ATK to herm. Obviously neither are perfect for her but even with just one new teammate she can improve quite a lot
You're seriously underrating Eula. Her best speedrunning team: Raiden, Rosaria, Bennett, isn't even perfect for her and yet they can still do reasonable clears. Even if you just look at the numbers, the team hits around 55k sheet dps - close to Childe International which is a team that is very popular and often praised
@@youngfigaro so her best team is similar to Childe international, wich is a dogshit team...
@@NendouHoudan Childe International is still great for speedruns, and Eula's "best" team isn't even that good for her. Just imagine what she could do if she had 3 proper teammates
Neuvillette needs the buff that he really needs
I love hearing the same joke 8 billion times.
Totally not obnoxious as fuck or anything. I love when people can’t be original to save their lives.
@@shironasama0445When you are so full of yourself, you do not even know what a joke is.
Do you know who else the buff? MY MOM
@@shironasama0445 at least it's not genshin could never
That shit was way more annoying
Your lifes are so bad y'all cant take a simple joke? Go touch some grass and breath air its not that deep 💀💀💀
Eula so bad that the only way to go is up
Eula : Lemme out from the basement
Really just Cryo and Physicsl in general. Eula and Freminet are crying.
Eula is so underrated, barely anyone has her because of hoyo hating on cryo reruns
Why is no one talking about the issue of cinder city not working on burning (as there is no reaction of pyro on already burning enemies) so mavuika will not consistently proc it in kinich teams...
I mean, both Mavuika and Traveler will also be our new best burgeon characters so plenty of Kinich characters can start over burning instead, but yeah no many think about the downside of burning being primarily dendro. But you also can't forget that the cinder city buff duration is really long so you get plenty of use out of it still.
I'm no burning expert, but, pyro being unable to apply again on an already burning target shouldn't be an issue in Kinich teams. Even on an burning target, u can re-apply dendro - ohhhhh. THATS what u meant (i think).
My brain to English translation for u people: Since pyro is unable to be re-applied on an already burning target, if ur Cinder City (CC for short) user is a pryo unit, e.g. Mavuika, then ull have to hope to god that either the burning duration ends or u kill said burning target within 20s to then re-proc CC.
CC - "After the equipping character triggers a reaction related to their Elemental Type, all nearby party members gain a 12% Elemental DMG Bonus for the Elemental Types involved in the elemental reaction for 15s. If the equipping character is in the Nightsoul's Blessing state when triggering this effect, all nearby party members gain an additional 28% Elemental DMG Bonus for the Elemental Types involved in the elemental reaction for 20s. The equipping character can trigger this effect while off-field, and the DMG bonus from Artifact Sets with the same name do not stack."
More specifically the "If the equipping character is in the Nightsoul's Blessing state when triggering this effect, all nearby party members gain an additional 28% Elemental DMG Bonus for the Elemental Types involved in the elemental reaction for 20s." part is where the issue with burning duration and CC duration collide.
Single pyro (Mavuika) seems more reliable with this in mind. I havent tested it or seen tests but access to her kit and CC set info is enough for me to come to this conclusion. Although, 2x pyro resonance loss is nasty. Kinda hope that we get a pyro healer that is better suited for Kinich teams and not circle impact orientated. I'd say someone who shreds pyro and dendro res, and heals when burn ticks occur. Burn ticks quite fast so they'll have to be balanced around that.
@@Khristolfhur if you apply pyro first then you will apply cc effect in the first rotation but then afterwards it can be dificcult to proc cc consistely, maybe if the dendro character has the cc set they could but by that point it would be better to have deepwood, well se how mavuika will handle it, i think the cc effect will be applied cause they would not messed up even more a bad reaction like burning
@@juan.argueta regarding "if you apply pyro first then you will apply cc effect in the first rotation": If the CC user is pyro this wont work as the CC user needs to proc the burn reaction for the set bonus to work - "After the *equipping character* triggers a reaction related to their Elemental Type".
If the CC user was dendro then it would work and it will be consistent. However, there are no dendro Natlan characters aside from Kinich, and Kinich is a dps - that i personally use deepwood on.
I find that codex isnt all that synergistic with him due to the way he uses night-soul. He gains them, then uses them all up at once. Codex requires the (mostly) consistent depletion of night-soul points to give the crit rate buff. U can still use it on him and get similar results, but deepwood fits better for its proc requirements (and my brain likes the idea of deepwood over codex).
If i had Kinich C2, then i would use codex. As C2 is a built in deepwood. Unless C2 and deepwood stacked that is
@@juan.argueta bro really wrote an entire thesis just to prove the op right 😂
I'd say Lyney benefits from Citlali more than any other pyro dps mainly due to the fact that ppl have severe skill issue and need a shield. With the addition of Citlali, shielding is actually an optimal option for the first time, cuz even with Zhongli you were trading dmg for comfort.
His best team should then be furina, bennet and citlali, and from my calcs it should be the second best dps team in the game behind Mualani(if mavuika's app is enough for her)
Arle also benefits but less cuz less of her dmg is reactable compared to Lyney who can potentially vape/melt all hits.
Wanderer has potential to get better, besides faruzan he really doesnt have good options. You can play furina/bennet or high cons jean or double hydro wheelchair but what he really wants is a yunjin that does something more besides just na buffing.
For mono element teams, I can see them releasing an artifact set for the supports of those elements. For example, it can be like scroll, when you have 3 members of the same element it gives 40% bonus or crit.
Freeze needs an overhaul. The fact that it simply doesn't work on bosses makes freeze/shatter teams useless to the point its better to play mono cryo most of the time. It's also the reason why I think Citlali is gonna face a lot of issues in boss content. Most of her best teams are vape-melt and that interaction simply doesn't work or is straightup a negative for the team against bosses as they cant be frozen, so the cryo just eats up your hydro and you get less vapes in general.
I can see Ororon seeing more usecase in overload teams that use Mavuika, mainly Clorinde/Raiden. His a4 should trigger every 2 secs and he should generate ns for Mavuika burst.
Lanyan is an interesting unit, she can free up your kazuha from neuvi team which I think is massive no ones talking about.
There's a chance they just release a better bennet, no circle impact, might also give teamwide atk buffs, use scroll(looking at you Ifa). And if thats the case most atk scalers would want him. There's no telling what mhy has planned.
I think Lyney will get benefits from Mavuika too, she will buff his dmg more then Bennett for example ig
Chasca is the one I see having the most potencial. as long as it is a pech character it works on her team.
Any new broken pech will be her new bis. Let’s say they release a cryo Bennet, it works for her.
If tsaritza is an insanely buffer for cryo units… no problem she can fire only cryo bullets.
Citlali is already looking to be a good support for Chasca too. She buffs Pyro and Hydro damage, holds a Cinder City artifact set so Cryo is also buffed meaning that all Chasca needs is a little set up to really pop off. The shield doesn't hurt either.
Assuming that Snezhnaya's cryo units actually do come (we know at least the tsaritsa will be Cryo, perhaps she's a cryo bennett but better), then I see Gaming Melt actually becoming something worthwhile, or any pyro main dps with a melt comp.
Of course, at the moment there seems to only be one pyro character we get in Natlan (Mavuika/Pyro Archon), so there may only be the Tsaritsa as a cryo buff.
we already got "cryo" bannet tho in character like Shenhe while its short = few hit the buff still strong..having c6 littery mean u have nothing to worry with buff stack..but its expensive but i can say is absolutely worth becouse the buff is crazy strong for character that can Deal Cryo Na..or just insert congyun u littery can make Everyone Cryo Dps.
"No character is good alone"
Neuvillette:- "Are you sure about it?"
I pulled a C2 Navia when everybody said she was mid, but I knew (copium) that a great geo support for her would some day come and make her even better! Same is going to happen with Chasca I'm sure
I think all NA attackers could see a dedicated support. Wanderer, Yoimiya, etc. We do have Yun and Candace but none of them are 5 star levels of power. Candace works with Arlecchino by directly buffing her hits. ATK speed wouldn't really benefit Arlecchino because of the way she works, giving a method where Yoimiya theoretically could improve in relation to her. It would also benefit Physical because pumping flat DMG though the higher goblet stats of Physical DMG and the higher available shred may maximize the buff from said hypothetical dedicated NA support. Would also make Mika viable since Mika adds crit and more Phys DMG to said buff.
My dark horse pick is Albedo getting buffed if and when Shatter becoming a thing we can use on bosses and if the damage is amplified somehow. That Elemental Mastery buff on his burst feels like it has never been used in a meaningful manner.
My super copium theory is that Durin will become a playable character who will synergize with Albedo somehow. I don't know how likely this would actually be, but my heart wants it so badly.
I mean, NA focused characters can improve A TON whenever a subdps with coordinated attack releases, so while your point about Arle and Yoimiya is very solid, other elements with more limited main dps options can also really grow in power, like Wanderer and Alhaitham for instance.
For example, no one thought anything of Noelle for the longest time, but Itto's signature weapon, Furina and Xilonen raised her power INCREDIBLY. She's in my opinion the strongest 4* main dps, and by a lot.
i don't think we will get an upgrade to Bennett because i think hoyo realised themselve that they made him too good. Still really weird that the only Pyro character in the Pyro nation for now is the archon but on the other hand we didn't get many hydro characters in fontaine either. I just wish they would do something interesting with the Pyro element because it is mostly on field DPS.
We had 3 Hydro 5* in Fontaine tho when Sumeru released the same 3 5* limited and Inazuma only 2 Electro 5*
@noahd531 I was talking about the element in general and not only 5 stars. Inazuma had 4 elektro, Sumeru 5 dendro and yes fontaine only 3 hydro.
@@zillo1600 did you forget mondstadt with only its archon, a standard 5* and 4*
I want a physical dps buff character for my physical main dps Zhongli lmao
i’m waiting for a charged attack buffer, that’ll be insane
Iansan and Veresa is coming for the Physical/Superconduct buff (maybe)
Didn't occur to me until this video that Citlali could be really good for Gaming and even tho I run him with Kaeya to enable Gaming to melt Citlali could be a good option too if I decide to go for her. I'm still praying they give Citlali the ability to buff cryo bc I'm looking for ANY reason to see my Wriothesley teams improve while Shenhe's still locked up. I'm still hoping pyro Traveler can be a good teammate for Kinich so I have an alternative to Ororon to run Cinder City with for Kinich but Ororon's still getting the job done for sure. Still leaning towards trying for Citlali over Mavuika unless she ends up being more than just another pyro DPS and is SO much better than pyro Traveler as a burning driver for Kinich team. We'll see what Citlali's kit ends up being like but I have higher hopes at pulling for her bc she has more team options on my account than another big pyro boom attacker.
1:40 I disagree in Ororon's case because the more Natlan charcters we get the more Ororon drivers will exist, starting with Mavuika for which he is the best overload partner.
Honestly, there are two biggest buffs they can give that will effect the most amount of characters is a character or artifact set that increases charge attack speed. It would buff *inhales*:
Xinyan, Ganyu, Klee, Lyney, Itto, Chasca, Keqing, Amber (although not enough), Sethos aaaand Yanfei.
All these characters either would either like this or actively suffer because of their slow charged attack.
The second is Elemental Burst Cooldown reduction (something that dori should have but doesn't)
Ei, Mona, ganyu AGAIN (but for Sub DPS build), Childe, Bennett, Diona, Xinqiu and probably more that I can't think of.
To be honest. A Skill cooldown reduction set/character besides thundering fury also deserves to be on here.
I hope kinich gets even better
Looking forward to Chasca team options. I got extremely lucky and managed to get her weapon at around 40 pity as my first ever 5 star weapon from said banner. Im saving for Citlali but ill probably go to max pity - fail - then be force to save for either another option, a different character for another team or for her re-run. Iv just got that bad luck in Genshin exclusively.
And y tf is my text black on a black background when writing a comment? I didnt do this
I love Eula. I have her. But I can't imagine how they could give her a support that stops her kit from being clunky. The clunkiness is baked in hard. 7 seconds backload. Miss your crit and your entire rotation was for nothing. How could they fix that without changing her kit? I don't see it.
Characters that buff crit rate, building a team that actually makes use of cryo res, good battery team mates. A lot of things can make her more consistent.
@@lucasfreitas2245 Rosaria and Mika already exist
@@danielcarrilho5217 Mika doesn't even fit the team TBH, better off running benny and rosaria + electro. I find mika too clunky
That's why Rosaria is so good with her. She gives crit rate, plus cryo resonance, plus her c6 gives gives 20% phys res. But it doesn't change Eula's heavy ER needs on top of crit, and that's why I think they'll give a new artifact set when physical becomes relevant. It's just a very long wait :(
@@lulufortytwo3884 Yeah, but Rosaria is too clunky to actually get the crit buff on eulas burst and she doesn't offer that much for the team besides a tiny res shred. Modern units with the same idea should give eula a good boost with uptime and battery potential.
Jello!! Please make a video for the forgotten 4-star dps and tell their best teams!
Honestly I think lyney has a chance to go god tier, he's already very strong and we know we're getting 2 very good pyro units, if one of them has any support skills or pyro buffs/ off field dps, lyney may just go nuclear, and he's already kinda nuts.
Think Navia is a character you may be incorrect about. A general buff character who provides really good crystallization, would be double thumbs up, for that gal :-) Even though she may prefer non geo characters, now that she have Xilonen
Time to take my opportunity to be a hot take generator since there's some strong Hopium being huffed here.
1) Superconduct: I think there will be an Electro support who acts much like Chevreuse. I do not think there will be any Physical buffing. Physical was a failure, and the time to save it was Inazuma and not now. Any Phys support from it will be an accident if any.
2) Mono Geo: the player base mostly has rejected mono Geo. Mono Geo is a curse, not a blessing. Characters for mono Geo won't sell, any success they have there will be a byproduct. An example of this would be a Construct character. They will be part of double Geo cores and just so happen to be effective in mono Geo.
Chasca in my opinion will get improved the most. Any PHEC buffer that is not Pyro or is pyro but better than bennett released will synergise with her
Mavuika could’ve been the general Flat DMG buffer. Imagine a Bennett that buffs all damage scaling!
I would put Shenhe higher just by virtue of her being a support. Monocryo has some uniquely good potential due to the synergies (crit buffs, resonance, energy regen, Shenhe quills) that encourage multiple cryo characters.
Also, Shenhe got a pretty crazy good buff with Xilonen (especially c2) that people are overlooking. I can easily see more of that.
Shenhe (also Diona, especially at C6) also got a massive buff being one of Chasca's best teammates, even though Citlali will replace her as Chasca's best Cryo teammate next patch. C1 Chasca will be great with Pyro + Citlali + Shenhe for an extremely strong Melt team though. IMO Shenhe will be the unit with the most future potential, especially because the Cryo region is next. I don't think Eula is even remotely close to being top spot, because if they ever make Physical good they're going to release a new limited 5* Physical DPS that severely powercreeps Eula.
From what you reported on Mavuika and Citlali, I think Ganyu melt will finally be viable again, and might get easier. Citlali as a shielder, also giving cryo resonance, Mavuika applying pyro, and Xilonen healing, with the three of them buffing one way or another. Probably will need to think of other artifact sets for them though, since you can't stack cinder city (if I'm wrong and you can, please tell me). Anyway, can't wait to get my first 5 star main out of the closet, go cocogoat
I love Eula's design. 💮🥀
Jello: “No character is good alone.”
Nuevillette: “Hold my beer.”
We need an ebyss floors with hydro slimes 😂
every fontaine dps that heals is good alone
Hold my water*
Beer is sewage matter. It can not compare to *pure* 𝖚𝖓𝖆𝖉𝖚𝖑𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖆𝖙𝖊𝖉 water
He is as mediocre without a team as everyone else. No need for this artificial aggrandizement.
Even if Eula DPS with some support or inderect buff will sky rocket, it wont fix her biggest problem - Delayed nuke that easily misses and unreliable. It's similiar story to Jingyuan in HSR, but unlike him there's no way they release support that somehow fixes that flaw like they did with Sunday. Even if her DPS will become good, she still will be in a flawed and clunky state. Same I can say about Klee, the only way they can make her much more competitive if they allow her burst be onfield while she is offield, which WONT happen im quite sure, but at least there is chance for support to appear that makes character omni-present being onfield and offield at the same time, however its still unlikely to happen. Shenhe isn't bad, everyone she can support just is. Ayaka is in a decent state but new artifact set with possible future CC units could fix her quite easily especially with Sneznhaya coming out soon, Ganyu can be buffed too quite easy with charged attack buffer like they did with Xiao.
You spoke my mind. Eula doesn't need a support buffer to deal more damage, she needs her whole kit revamped and overhauled from the ground up, and I don't see that happening because, you know, it's Hoyo Genshin dev team we're talking about.
You had me thinking if there would be a character that immediately "detonates" the remaining damage multipliers on bursts that deal damage over a period of time, but it would still be a better buff to just about everyone else.
(With the other characters, you can choose to not trigger that effect to avoid doing more damage than you need to clear a wave.)
"Charged attack buffer"
Neuvillette, Hu Tao, Chasca and [redacted] in the corner: 👀
If Eula gets a support that lets her get all 30 burst stacks at C0, the delay won't even matter.
Having clunk is worth that type of damage.
Hear hear. My thoughts exactly while watching the video. Hoyo designed themselves into a corner with Eula. She will never get better because Hoyo designed her during amateur hour
I think the real issue of a lot of these characters is that their numbers are simply too bad to be worth using even with the perfect team.
Yunjin is a prime example of it, all the teams where she would be good she is just worse than other options that interact with more worthwile parts of genshins combat system and thus get more dmg.
Similarly many elements are artificially weak like electro which constantly gets mid carries to account for aggravate or dendro which just hasnt gotten characters since 3.X that support a dendro reaction playstyle.
So rather than existing carries getting better its much more likely that they get replaced by a carry that is actually up to current powercreep standard.
Cryo as a whole will likely get replaced as the whole element is outdated, so the next region will likely bring a support + carry duo ala neuvillette furina to reintroduce the element to the meta.
I 100% agree....a lot of people forget these units used to be top tier but fell off due to powercreep,the simple solution is to multiply their damage and that fixes everything easily lol
actually take a look at characters who were bad but became good later and why
Kuki used to be trash but is now insane cause hyperbloom does a lot of damage,she still has the same issues that made her suck,but she does enough damage to make up fod it
Xiangling was never "bad" but she's literally the worst character if you look at her kit design and issues lol,but she does so much damage people tend to overlook her issues and it's only appearent in teams where you use her purely for the app(IE. Mualani teams,kinich teams with furina,etc)
And the list goes on,a characters issues are simply irrelevant if they do enough damage to be above most other options
they should buff Venti, I belive that they can do it through some of his new story quest / anemo archon quest
The ideal character for Eula would be an off field Electro character that deals physical damage.
Mika/Furina core is pretty much secured for her.
love the way you share your knowledge of this game!
Hi,
Huge Ganyu fan here) I feel a bit upset at times when people judge her exclusively by dps performance and arrive to unfair conclusions. She can absolutely dps if you want, but most her kit revolves around off field dmg, that's how she shines the most.
I also really love Dehya, (especially Dehya+Emilie core) I'm expecting Dehya become better with Mavuika, they'd look so nice together, I'm sure they would play well)
Love your videos, thank you!
Lyney doesn't make any sense. Considering how squishy he is, he benefits more from a character like Citlali than Arlecchino. The Furina vape or mono pyro teams in particular no longer have to cope with Zhongli if you were after comfort.
Cryo hopefully gets some love in snezhnaya…. My ganyu and ayaka needs em
I do believe Xiao's story may repeat with Eula, most of her problems would solve when she receives actual supports, but I do think that better reaction buffs should be given, like improving the effects of superconfuct or making that shatter also scales with physical bonus...
I don’t think Eula will ever be great, her burst is just clunky and reliant on enemy ai to reliably stack her ult. Plus she already has really good teammates.
@@Northseed49 her teammates are good in general, just not made for her. What xiao received with faruzan and xianyun, is what eula needs....we don't talk about mika
@@Northseed49 her teamates are terrible for phys, furina loses half her damage , raiden has lower damage on field than albedo in mono geo from off field while stealing field time from eula, and mika is not only a weak support they have massive anti synergies
So, Jello just is fully committed to leaks discussion now?
I would say Navia has quite a bit of potential still as he current teams are just double geo and 2 good characters lol. If we got 2 good off fielders of different PECH elements that would do reactions and stuff while she is on field her teams could potentially see improvement. Also I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a Bennet sidegrade sooner than later or a different rare stat buffer that would compete for his spot (say a crit buffer). So every generic atk scaler has a good amount of potential imo.
We currently don't have an anemo Natlan support yet (support Chasca? Could unironically work lol), so characters like Wanderer and Xiao have room for potentially improving by being able to use cinder city. Also with Wanderer, ATK speed is a stat that has a lot of potential, especially if they adjust the cap on it.
I feel like Cyno has solid improvement potential. For example a dendro version of Kuki would make him significantly better simply by removing the need to run Nahida.
I actually don't think many of those cryo characters "improve" (unless they rework freeze a bit so it isn't a detrimental reaction against bosses). The issue is that I think they'll just powercreep or QoLcreep the already existing cryos so while they would technically improve, they would likely still be uninteresting for the teams where they'd be used in. Ayaka and Ganyu are likely going to improve but they're also the most likely to be powercrept. Shenhe is in an awkward spot where she is kinda the Albedo of cryo, you can't really make good cryo support without powercreeping her lol.
Raiden I think has TONS of completely untapped potential. She is a extremely strong energy battery and an okay buffer for elemental bursts while acting as a good strong driver/on fielder... but she hasn't gotten ANYONE new to buff or battery. The last high burst cost sub dps that deals mostly burst damage was Yelan. And while Yelan is great, she isn't like amazing at sub dps damage. The other option is Xiangling, who also isn't exciting. IF we get more high burst cost characters (70+) that have VERY strong and impactful bursts, I can definitely see Raiden becoming more valuable again. Imagine a meta defining strong off field dps but they have the same 90 cost and 18s CD burst as Raiden, they would only really be able to show their true potential with Raiden.
Yae also just doesn't have gear lol. None of the 5* weapons really work with her full kit as even her signature leaves out her burst. All the artifact sets too that she can use are just not ideal with her full kit. Personally I'm hoping for a new electro artifact set that gives modern levels of stats from set bonuses and hopefully for a 5* weapon that boosts her burst as well as her turrets.
I think Gorou has kinda seen the end of his career thanks to Xilonen. Itto on the other hand could definitely use a generally good PECH character that works with him as Yelan is kinda awkward. I kind expect pyro archon to be great with him.
I don't really think Yun jin has anywhere to improve to. She is already just a Bennet sidegrade and double geo with her and Xilonen probably won't be replaced anytime soon. Maybe we get a ridiculous def buffer?
For Mona, I wouldn't really say that simply buffing a new dps is an improvement lol.
I personally expect (and hope lol) for Bennet to start losing value sooner or later. We are kinda overloaded with DMG% buffs and res shred at the moment so I suspect that HYV will move on to other stats when designing buffers soon. If we get crit buffers or Def shredders, Bennet no longer is the only support that buffs a "unique" stat, which would make him less desirable.
I also expect Furina to be kinda phased out slowly. She'll never be bad or out of meta probably but I think she is the most replaceable of our current top buffers. Simply because her buff isn't actually that good as she is usually paired with Bennet/XIlonen rather than full party healer. Also I can see her hydro application getting more and more detrimental in near future. However, there is always the possibility that we get a stupid strong full party healer in the near future so it's not like she can't improve. Also, Furina, Xilonen, Mavuika sub dps/support core sounds pretty damn strong lol.
I disagree with your last statement, I agree that Furina will slowly, very slowly become outrageous, but she DEFINITELY has a better buff and kit than Xilonen and Bennet, not by much, but it's still better, the fact that there is almost an absolute need for a global healer has been proven false for a long time, a healer like Bennet, Xilonen, Kuki Shinobu among others have already proven themselves enough, not to mention that the use of such healers actually increases its value, with other buffs that come with these healers.
@@Dakyi Her buffing is severly slowed down by using a single target healer. Xilonen, Bennet etc provide all of their buffs instantly, while Furina doesn't even necessarily ever get her full buff out. Also her buff is by far the most replaceable at the moment as DMG% is so oversaturated compared to say ATK buffs.
What makes Furina so good is that her sub dps capabilities are really good with out current best characters while also providing a good and universal buff. But if her off field role stops being relevant, she will lose out to Bennet and Xilonen when it comes to raw buffing power.
Also, Xilonen and Bennet do valuable role consolidation in being healers and buffers. Furina on the other hand is a buffer who needs you to add a healer to the party. So if Bennet for example gets powercrept by a non healer atk buffer, Furina's value also drops at the same time.
@akiinkala9287 Surely the proof of what you say must be the usage rate, or the acquisition rate, or perhaps the actual usage rate per run in the abyss, or perhaps by content creators and experts + calculations, I'm sure that's it, right? That's what supports your thesis, or is it just something unfounded?
@@Dakyi Not sure what you're refuting?
Furina's buffs are well known to be slow to stack with a single target healer, meaning that her overall buff is ~40%-50% on average over her burst duration. That is a much worse buff than what Bennet or Xilonen/Kazuha provides. Especially when we already have tons of DMG% buffing from different sources. Of course it applies to everyone so it can still be relevant in teams with multiple damage dealers.
And hydro is quite disruptive as an element, so it's very possible that Furina stops being so universally used if/when we get more dedicated supports or supports/sub dpses with "correct" elements.
Bennet and Xilonen on the other hand can fit in almost any team as they don't really interfere with anything.
And naturally if one of the best healer character gets replaced with a non-healer, then Furina's value drops.
Bro as a cryo fan I hope they will not just release overpowered powercreep , but actually raise up cryo as a whole. I already have c2 ayaka /c1 wrio /c6 kaeya, rosaria …. . And all of my cryo 5star are triple crown 👑 and with a really good artefacts set for each of them ! ( Eula included ) but since I didn’t get shenge…. Bro I skipped her because I expected her to get back ….lol 😂…
The good surprise to me in Natlan is Mona !
With mualani Mona is a very satisfying unit , I have her c2 , full atk stats on emblem with favonius , lv 80 talent 1/1/8 . With my f2p mualani i clear the new dendro boss in literally 2hits !😂 850k burst and a 400k skill hit . I one shot the dragon 😂😂 …. With the 4star catalyst Dmn!
I wish burgeon can be buffed tho T_T
I like how Jello says cryo will be buffed soon and what he means is about year from now 😅.
Closer to half a year at this point mebbe
Just like Chevreuse ran through with just one reaction (Overload) , we need supports like that more and more for every other reaction as well
There is Ororon for electro-charged.
@@andrinaleong4079 But is he as broken as Chev?
you know what would be cool? we have the electro tribe from natlan left.
so there's the possibility of having either the 5* or 4* from there buffing physical. if not buffing physical then atleast just superconduct or themselves being a new physical dps unit that works with mika (so iansan as the 5* idk)
it's not like electro needs any sort of buff regarding pyro since chevy exists.
what if- the 5* electro is a physical dps that works v well with the 4* electro unit there and mika. and you can use the 4* electro on eula teams too.
or the 'vehicle' of said unit stays offfield like kachina's drill and does physical dps and electro for eula and holds a new set that shreds physical resistance or something.
Kazuha not being in "Rich gets richer" blows my mind.
It's the mix of grouping be less important these days (more cases of fewer high hp mobs, ones that cannot be vacuumed, and more auto-targeting/attacking off-field DPS) and the duration of the VV debuff.
How is Kazuha even gonna improve? His main value comes from his grouping+ 4pc VV so even if he swirls cryo, it won't change much in terms of HIS damage
@haxor-rex5705 like Bennett or Xilonen, with every single character that comes out and wants him on the team.
There can only be 1 scroll user in a team, so for more buffing you'd want kazuha
12:09 Imo even though you would obviously want Chiori’s C1 if you’re invested in her it’s honestly not even necessary for her core with Xilonen, like my C0 Chiori with R1 Uraku is getting similar clear times/dps in my Mualani, Xilonen, Chiori and Xiangling team compared to the team where i use Kazuha instead of Chiori, like i literally just got done testing out that team in the abyss a few hours ago and got what are probably my fastest Mualani clears in this abyss with the Chiori team.
Honestly i’ve been a Chiori fan and believer since day 1 but admittedly she was unfortunately underwhelming when she first released, but nowadays there’s no more excuse for people to not acknowledge her as a strong unit, like she is genuinely great.
7:10 as a itto main i think this is exagerated, the new team with furina xilonen (if both are c0 at least) is a perfect exemple of a sidegrade, it performs exactly the same, of course the ceiling is way higher with c2 furina and c2 xilonen, that's the big difference but without this kind of investment, the classic team is still comfier and free the 2 best characters in the game
it's not "exactly the same" but i agree on the other points. with furina and xilonen alone instead of zhongli and gorou, his damage is already higher like from 49k CA to 60k which is nice. and as for off field dmg, zhongli and gorou are absolute jokes while furina actually does some damage getting buffed by xilonen. the extra dmg done by itto and furina is enough to make up for chiori's and then there's the last seat you can slot bennett or yelan into which directly pushes the team to a higher dps than that of mono geo. TGS sheets also state mono geo at 58k and the newer one at 68k. the difference should become bigger with more investment on both sides.
New team also has a ton of energy issues for Itto
For Kinich team, if Mavuika is using Cinder City, she cannot trigger the set consistently because the reaction with Kinich is Burning. If Citlani is using Cinder City, there is no reaction between Cryo and Dendro, same scenario with Xilonen. So I guess only Electro and Hydro characters should use Cinder City in Kinich teams.
farming primos for wrio and GOD i hope ur right about this speculation.. hope they start getting more creative with cryo cos there isn't much variety (i haven't played a lot of the characters so excuse my lack of knowledge) but from i see it's too repetitive: wrio's ult is basically a remix of ayaka's, layla's ult is a revamp of ganyu's, charlotte ult is practically rosaria but with healing etc..
Can’t wait for the Eula buff in like 3 years 😭
Kazuha should go up just because he works in a ton of teams
Coping so hard for eula, my dude i gave up a year ago
Pulled for Chasca and loving her. Can't wait for her buffs. I want Mavuika next. Hopefully will get her.
One thing that we should hope for is the eventual Level 100. And possibly a third Ascension Passive.
That is probably the BEST way to rebalance characters without having new characters in the field.
personally hoping for some kind of "double attack" and/or "increase melee weapon range" buffer exclusive for melee normal attacks. for those who play(ed) elsword, what I'm proposing is basically a mix between IS elsword's phantom sword and GM elesis's sword of victory.
eula being able to hit in a huge cone per swing as well as having double hit per attack to compensate for her slow animation(increase atk spd buff like yun jin's hardly makes a difference) would make her a monster.
if they replace eula with a new physical dps vengeance will be mine
16:58 Furina buffs all dmg (except for transformative damage) including physical. It's actually why people were kinda sad that Eula couldn't stack her burst with plunging attacks, cause Eula could've been better when Furina + Xianyun was released.
15:56 - 16:03 Yes, hard agree. I've always feel that that's what determines the value of a character. Of course there will be exceptions like Neuvillette, but in general, a dps is worthless if no one can support them, a support is worthless if they have no one to support. Like you said, Genshin is a team game.
If kaeya somehow gets buffed I'll cry tears of joy frfr
And chicken would fly😂😢
This may already be in the works, but you should make a video talking about the characters with the least future potential. I would love to see it!
Updated Heizou guide pls
Buy me c6 Heizou and I’ll make it
@@JelloImpact gotta pay the guy to make the guide. 🤣
@@JelloImpact😂
4pc MH or GT, use him with Furina, Bennett and C6 faruzan
@@JelloImpact if that’s what it takes 🤧
Lyney actually has a lot of potential to improve, He has good synergy with Chevreuse and Bennett, but poor synergy with Fischl. As soon as he gets a good electro support to replace Fischl with, his Chevreuse team will become one of the strongest in the game.
I want chasca, but I'm guaranteed... Pain
Very godd vid thank you jello!
unironically the first time i hear about mika's existence as a day 1 player.
Btw how sick would it be to have a character with no vision and maybe only a delusion going into the new region
Klee is VERY interesting. If you haven’t played her in the last year or so you might think she’s still clunky and outclassed by the meta but thats actually changed dramatically in the last year- she’s now a premier option in a lot of teams but people are still sleeping.
Xianyun, Furina, Baizhu and Emilie are the main reasons. Klee plunge is up there with Diluc because of the easy pyro vapes. Emilie only cares about pyro application of the on fielder, to which Klee is actually great. And the best burgeon team is Klee-Nahida-Furina-Baizhu. The last one is a must try if you have it. Its basically the Klee dream come true as you run and jump around and everything just explodes around you!!
Because of this recent glow-up I’m really hesitant to leave Klee in “don’t see it”.
Interesting video we all want our favorite characters to improve and me personally I don't care about the matter I just want my favorite character to be the strongest character on account.
For Eula she's been surviving on her raw damage numbers alone with almost no synergy when it comes to supportive characters Rosario gives a teeny tiny 15% physical shred which is almost nothing. You can run Ei and EULA but then you run to the problem of your last two slots need to be defensive options because both of them are very squishy.
I got EULA on her first rerun banner and I'm going to be honest she surprises me this a bit cycle I was able to get 3 Stars on champer 3 with a Eula team on one side and a Ei team on the other but I have to use a very different EULA team that makes it to where her Auto attacks are hitting for a good enough amount with an off-field damage dealer like Yelan combined with her 10 to 20K Auto attacks.
When EULA gets a dedicated support that synergizes with her kit perfectly I feel she'll get a massive boost in power.
The only other character that I would want to get above will probably won't get one Archons never get buffs directly for them.
Speaking of Snezhnaya, I keep looking at the Tsaritsa and what she could bring to the table. I wouldn't be surprised if she was another sub-dps unit similar to Furina. Looking at the current, Cryo units (not including Citlali), we don't have a lot of sub-dps units. But I want Cryo to get improved for sure. In recent years, I've noticed that regional chars tend to prep the gamer for the next region. With Inazuma, with the exception of the final boss, Electro was super useful in Sumeru. Then you had Dendro chars which proved to be useful in Fontaine, and Hydro chars have been the most useful, and now I am like 90% sure that with the Cryo Region coming out next year, Pyro will be vital. And then we get Khaenri'ah, so maybe Cryo chars will help here, especially if they're physical, because I have no idea what to expect for Khaenri'ah as far as why type of team will do well in this part of the game, especially if Dains becomes playable and we all know he uses a different power than the 7 elements.
Another great video, keep at it jello
anything changes in the game --> FIschl it's time for me to rise.
Itto doesn't need a shield for interruption res but does need it to activate Geo resonance, so to buff the Itto+Gorou+Chiori team the last character needs to have a shield or be a PHEC character and have off field application for crystaliize, because Geo resonance is way too strong especially if you're removing Zhongli's res shred.
Nice video!
After going through Dragonspine this weekend, I wouldn’t be surprised if Snezhnaya ended up boosting ice & physical. So Eula being at the top of this list makes sense to me.
That being said, I think alot of pyro on-fielders are going to be eclipsed by Mavuika in the short term.
And lastly, I see Neuvillette continuing to be flexible and that’s the key to staying relevant in Genshin, so likely he’s in the top 8 (come all for the hydro dragon’s wild ride!).
A new unit that buffs cryo, electro, and physical when a superconduct happens, or debuffs enemy resistances for those 3 with the same condition could become an absolutely amazing unit that'd buff a lot of team that are underperforming right now.
I really hope Eula and physical in general gets a buff, but more than anything I just want some cryo character reruns to happen
Bold of you to think ppl have Wriothesley, except the 10%🤣
13:02 it is especially if you can get c6 as it makes him a monster with furina and xilonen. I already get 80-90k plunge vapes with him inside bennet burst.😊
03:13 Albedo could be buffed. We still lack a proper Geo Construct focused unit. Some characters do have interactions with them (Zhongli's pillar ; Chiori's passive ; Geo MC's burst overcapping the number of constructs), but are not focused around making them better (Zhongli's mainly here to shield ; Chiori doesn't buff geo constructs, she buffs herself when one is present ; Geo MC just does damage a buff crit rate).
If we get a dedicated support for geo constructs, then Albedo could be improved. Zhongli could get a secondary role as a Geo construct damage dealer. Geo MC could become a nice quickswap DPS.
Tough very niche, such a character would be interesting and fun to play around. As long as they keep releasing other units with constructs.