2021 Jackson RR24 Crackle Pro Models Made In China!? Discussion Video About Potential Issues
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Jess here, with a very talky video about Jackson's Import guitar's quality over the last 10 years. I'm not seeing the value on some of the prices of some models. Concerned about "High End" Pro Models now being made in China instead of Indonesia which wasn't the best quality either in the past.
Jackson has a lot of balls asking nearly $1500.00 for a chinese made guitar. The messed up thing is, even if it is made well and feels "quality", that guitar only cost jackson about $225 parts and labor in a cheap chinese factory. Retail on this guitar should be maybe around $799 at the most. Its outrageous and borderline criminal.
Do you think it actually costs that much? Curious, that's wild if so and yeah for sire I agree that's WAY too damn expensive for a high end guitar made in china. I mentioned in the video that I might bite the bullet and get the Marty Friedman Pro. I did, got it brand new and luckily used a coupon to lower the price.
Guitar companies are out of their God damned minds! I used to work at Guitar Center. They used to charge you $2,400 for a Jackson KV2 Blue Ghost Flame an employee would only pay $1,050 for. A Gibson Les Paul Custom? $3,000. Only $1,800 if you're an employee though. Mark ups are insane!
@@FortessofShred Pro-Tip for those inclined, save your dough year-round, apply for seasonal work at GC and guitar twice the guitars for your cash. EDIT: Should be 'buy twice the guitars', but I like my mistake.
Ive bought a few 'guitars' from Chinese Factories, their crackle Finishes NEVER LAST/ALWAYS CHIP, Rather their and any of painters are completely horrible!! I can go ON and ON about horror about what ive been through the past 4 yrs with guitars.
You're completely right!! Im a Jackson from the Beginning!! Had a '95 Jackson Kelly Professional w/ A Floyd and Duncan Designed pups..
Nowadays i wont buy ANY GUITARS if they aren't Ibanez or Jackson older models too! Cause as you said, which i concur with 110% with, newer models dknt play/hit the same.
Would rather get a nice cab or amp with those Prices lol cause I'm old school, still running a (2) amp Setup (Wet/Dry) cause beats the sonud of Air being Moved🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
Great Vid buddy, 👍🏻🤘🏻🎸 i subbed as well!!!
Would definitely be willing to a "Rant Vid" with ya if you're interested.
No Chinese guitars here. Its a moral issue. My Dave Mustaine 93 Jackson Pro is outstanding. It has the old Kahler tuners at the bridge and there is no whammy bar. Japanese made and solid, great guitar. I have a 2015 Dean DM Trans blue, its great quality. Cant wait for the new Kramers to come out.
Love the 2015 Dean TB VMNT
But your moral issue with China begins and ends at guitars !?
@@auntjenifer7774 I dont buy anything from China. I try everything made in the U.S.A and if I cant then it doesnt matter where its from as long as its not from the China that spread the virus on purpose. Better now...
The trem bar issues have nothing to do with the guitar being made in China. It's a Floyd Rose issue. It's like complaining that you don't like the sound of the Seymour Duncans cos the guitar's made in China.
So basically, your only issues are you don't like the binding and the "feel" of it cos it's made in China. Bet if it said "Made in Japan" on the back of the headstock you'd be raving about it.
Actually no, in person, you can see the materials are less quality like I was trying to point out. The neck joint carve is like an X series instead of a Pro Model too. I would be irritated if I saw Jackson using these materials on a really high end guitar. This one even has a huge chip from being damaged in shipping and you can see the wood they used for the body has an ugly glue job where the large horn it. We would never see it if the paint was gone but it adds to the build being lazy. Yes the Bar is a floyd thing and I thought it was obvious about that but I'm still gonna to point out the issue even if it's not the guitar brand's fault. Probably should have been caught in the QC area. There's better guitars people can buy that have Seymour Duncan's and a Floyd, I'm not seeing a $1400 value. This thing doesn't even have a gigbag, which is part of how the one at my local store got damaged during shipping.
One of the issues with outsourced production is that brands often approach the factory with a basic spec sheet and once a production run cost is agreed, leave it at that.
You are not buying a Jackson, you are buying an XYZ instruments factory guitar.
The brand might have specified the fretboard radius, neck width and depth but they might not have taken the time (which in business is money) to make sure the factory is adhering to the same carve as the American/Japanese/Whatever production models.
The neck on my '91 Japanese Soloist Pro is a dead ringer for the profile on my USA Jackson SL2H.
Likewise the thinner, flatter profile of my '86 Charvel Model 6 had the same feel as a Soloist of similar vintage I got to play (but couldn't afford!).
It's that attention to detail that made the original Japanese Jackson's stand out.
My Indonesian Ibanez RG Premium - with a way too high nut slot and mismatched locking nut width it ain't so premium - is supposed to have a Wizard II profile, and if you measure it, it conforms to spec.
However my late 90's Japanese RG 505 has the same Wizard II neck and measures the same depth with my calipers, but has a very different feel to the Indonesian made guitar.
Worse still were the early LTD range which undoubtedly came from the same factory as the Epiphone brand as the neck profiles were pretty much a carbon copy as Gibson's budget line.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not the country of origin, but the brand owners that care enough to ensure consistency through the different factories.
It's not a cheap knock off of a Jackson, it's an expensive officially licensed product, shouldn't it play like a "real" Jackson?
Great video, man!
Imo Jackson have been going down in quality since about 2010 since they left the Japanese factory. The Indonesia stuff was ok, but not at the 1200$ price point. I was really excited to see the mirror soloist come out this year & almost bought one until I saw that it was made in china... Seems like fender is just manufacturing Jacksons as cheap as possible while trying to charge a premium for them & riding the coattails of a once great brand. You can actually get a brand new MIJ ibanez prestige for less than what they're asking for a Chinese Jackson theses days. Very disappointing
I've gotten CARS for less than what these greedy bastards charge for IMPORT guitars
I recently got a Jackson pro rainbow crackle soloist, last years model also made in China. Very happy with it, near perfect setup out of the box. Was a bit sceptical at first about the made in China but I wanted a crackle and as far I know only China is doing crackle finishes for Jackson at moment anyway. I have Japan and Indonesian Jackson's and this is easily on par if not better than some of them.
I just got one too locally for a steal, I was gonna flip it right away for profit but it plays really well. Some finish issues one the frets but nothing you can feel.
The problem is that people get a bad one and conflate that with thinking they're all bad
the loose/ noisy bar is an fix. put a small spring in the socket n wipe some 3 in 1 oil on the bar.
I have a 2021 RR24 in maul crackle. It’s near perfect and doesn’t have the issues you saw. I think you played a lemon.
Yeah that's understandable too. I did bite the bullet and get the Friedman Pro. I think it plays nice and sounds good. Just would prefer the Korean quality that the Jeff Loomis Kelly has. Same price as the 2021 RR24
I have the lightning crackle and I agree. Mine is perfect.
Really surprised with the Chinese crackle pros. Completely different than the X series also from China and feels better than the Indo Pros I've tried at GC.
i promise you the artists are not playing the made in china models. they all get custom shop models with the exact same specs. that's why they're sponsored artists.
I would imagine so. I would play the custom shop too if I had the opportunity
I have the blue crackle finish of this guitar and it’s a fucking awesome guitar also the issue with the bar is it’s just hard to tighten down all the way so just keep tightening and it will stay in place
Very true, I would never pay $1,400 for a new guitar to have to put more money into replacing hardware like the bridge. Pots and wiring are probably crappy. Perloid inlays, cheap binding and a guitar that feels cheap; no amount of money will fix that. IMO the Blue "lighting crackle" doesn't look good asthetically. The Red crackle looks better. No way that guitar will retain it's value.
Your Japanese KV was around $1,500 new not including the case, with all quality of a USA build. Trying to locate one now will easily set you back $2,500.
The used marked it where it's at. That's a much better investment and it feels like a quality instrument. I have a nice import RR that I love! Needs a little work but the price was right. Rock on \m/>_
You have some good points
Ahhh, five magics
very interresting
The new Japan models are between $2000 and $2500 but those are high end. I doubt they are as nice as your Dave Mustaine King V but they look nice but out of my budget. $1400 is the new mid price unfortunately. Inflation has really went up for guitar prices even the used market has gotten crazy since these new gouging prices.
There's still better mid range stuff that's in that price range not made in china even from Jackson. But honestly I'd rather spend the extra 5-$600 to get a way better quality guitar.
The Blue or Red crackle RR Pro series on the Jackson website is Made in Japan not china?
it is listed @ $1499.
I would NOT pay $1500 for a MIC guitar! not a chance! I paid $1700 for my USA Custom shop San dimas Charvel TMZ natural in mint condition with case.
I wish that was true but the MIJ Rhoads is black with chrome hardware and is $2799
There's listing on reverb that shows the back of the headstock showing it's made in china reverb.com/p/jackson-pro-series-rr24-rhoads?hfid=44014728&gclid=CjwKCAjwvuGJBhB1EiwACU1AiSXq2dw_upBu-tMGafAATGzyYjBnMgNmPUwJrfZ1wD0QLrpKvcf5fhoCyeEQAvD_BwE
Dude !
I just got a 2021 Dean Z select with SD pickups and the $225 Dean hardcase for $570+$55 shipping sand is the best guitar I've ever had ! Dean has ebony hard finger board and perfect fret work !
There is no way that Paul Gilbert is playing an MIC Ibanez guitar. It'll be Fujigen all the way...
I bought a 98' made in Japan jackson dinky for $700 and the binding and frets were better feeling and quality material then the Chinese pro models. MIJ Jackson's are no BS.
Thanks for the video, I was hesitating to grab a Maul Crackle buy I'll pass. I getting a Kelly K3 skulled made in japan instead
Why can’t I live next to some one like you,I’d open my windows everyday to listen to the riffs. 🧐 nice Mega mini stack in the back. Also not sure if I’d pay 1,400 for that. I’d rather pay 3k for that king v in your hands 🔥
I appreciate your kind words thanks. There's better Jackson's out there that are actually worth paying $1400
The way I see it, if the guitar is great and has the quality and detail, I don’t care where it’s made. That is, as long as the price justifies it. Personally, I’d pay no more than 2000 for a les Paul and no more than a grand for any other guitar. After that, the quality gets to a point where it stops justifying the price and it becomes a matter of brand. That’s why I like every other pro series model except the crackle. Only way I’d buy this is a b stock model for 1100 bucks. Because in all reality, you’re paying an extra 400 bucks for a specific finish. You could get a cheaper one and learn to do crackle paint for cheaper than that. Not because it’s Chinese, but because the quality couldn’t possibly justify the price at that point.
Jackson Im favourite brand. I had several. In the mid 90's i had 2 "professional" japonese Rhoads, and i had issues with booth.
I dont agree with you.
I think there are excelent Indonesian and Chinese guitars. But sometimes the Qc is not so consistent.
The bar of that blue crackle Rhoads must have been changed in the store.
Each crackle guitar is unique. There is no 2 equal guitars.
Regarding Solar, theres a lot of people with problems with Solar guitars. One of the things is that a lot of Solar guitars get crackles in the Ebony fingerboards, and that is mutch worst than a "cheap" binding!
I think its a sign if the new times...
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘🇵🇹
Thanks for the review I’ve been thinking about getting one of these but I’m not sure now I think I’m gonna get the new esp msv1 its an arrow with stainless steel frets so I don’t have to play my esp original arrow as much oh and by the way the Ernie ball sparkle does have Illuminators I talked to customer service on the phone and by e mail
An ESP Arrow sounds like a WAY better option. Especially with the Japan quality and stainless steel frets. I want the Silverburst E-II Arrow
Man your collection looks spicy- im jelaous 🤘🏻
Thank you, guitar is my passion so I've put a lot of time and money into continuing my passion
People have such a stupid mentality as to where guitars are made, not talking directly about you, I just see tons of ignorance online that say "USA OR NOTHING" In this day an age right now everything is gonna go up in cost around the globe. It sucks but that's how it is, I've played USA Gibson's that play like shit compared to made in the far east guitars. These other countries know how to make guitars and QC with most the big brands now is just alllll over the damn place. Even PRS who everyone RAVES about is spotty as hell lately. I do however agree that Jackson's pricing is kinda steep, I just purchased a second hand Ellis Kelly for $850 awaiting for it, should be coming in today. Excited to check it out for sure, I know a few who have it and say it's absolutely incredible. I just would never pay the $1300 for it brand new. Sadly it just seems that the "big" companies no long care about their QC. I've seen the USA Gibson Mustaine models in person an those look horrendous an that's a $2800 USA made guitar supposedly checked and triple checked for quality and alot of them just look like cheaply made guitars. Good video brother 👍🏼
I bought the Ellis Kelly a few months ago and did a review on it. It amazed me, I'm very impressed with the feel. The neck and clear coat actually feel like a USA select Jackson to me. There's some flaws from that factory where they're making these pro models BUT I actually have noticed that the quality has been better than the Jackson's that have been made in Indonesia. I have two to compare right now, and they feel different. Enough to notice.
@@clanofhousecats8079 oh nice! That's good to hear, I plan on upgrading the tuner's and possibly the FR if I'm not impressed with the 1000, I've owned a guitar with it before and had no issues at all but I know they can be hit or miss. I'm gonna check out your review now!
I thought everyone is after China over the Covid problem, but the problem I have with China is quality guitar making. I was in the market for a Jackson to go with my Kramer Pacer which is Indo made. For $800 great bang for the buck. Its built quite well but with two humbucker SD pickups. I wanted another guitar with a HSS combo and 24 frets and thru body neck. For Jackson the choice was obvious...the SL3 Soloist right? But the equivalent was the Soloist in crackle (gold) finish. I found a silver one and it felt cheap. The neck was terrible. There was no taper, the frets were sticking through the binding. The bridge was not solid. Made in China omg! What happened to Japanese manufacturing? I found a Jackson Dinky used that was Japanese from 98 with the pickups combo I wanted except its bolt on. Big deal. Sure blows the Chinese crackle away.
I was really interested in Brandon Ellis's sig until I found out it was made in china. Now its something I wouldn't purchase unless someone was willing to give it to me at an insane discount (like... $700). Its wild how much Jackson has increased their CS and USA model prices in the last 5 years. I don't know if its greed, or material cost, or what... but its turned me off of the brand. I'll probably go back to ESP.
It's odd for sure. I was obviously concerned at the beginning of the year, but I got ahold of the Marty Friedman Cracked mirror. The china Jacksons so far are actually feeling better than the Indonesia Jacksons in my opinion. It's a very weird time for gear now. I love LTD as well just heads up, they left South Korea for the most part this year and went to Indonesia. The E-II stuff is nice too though
@@clanofhousecats8079 yeah but it's Indo world factory and that's the best Indo factory next to PRS Indo SE factory.
Hi , what do you think of "made in mexico" pro models ?
Those are great, that was the factory where the Mexican strats are made and those are close to USA (great value). I noticed only the dinky pro (or any bolt on model) came from there and it must have something to do with the place being set up to do bolt on guitars. The soloist and other neck thru or set necks came from Indonesia are were noticeably lower quality
Well..its up to the consumers..some whom has been using those MIC guitar irregardless of what brand will says the stereotype of this has to pun a close..as for me I’m still gonna stick to my MIJ Jackson..yeah I couldn’t afford those custom US but i feel those Japanese ones are the least that i can slightly match the US ones…and seriously I’m quite sceptical on those MIC or Indonesian made Jacksons especially on the QC etc…I wouldn’t pay an extra 💰 for major upgrades due to QC flaws…an extra 💰 on top of the price i could get a great and good MIJ ones…thats just my honest opinions..some may don’t agreed..but hey it’s up to own preferences individual 🙏🏼😊
I got an Indo 2018 Pro Rhoads. Its flawless. I paid £779. Setup perfect out of the box, JB and 59 pickups. X series i don't like, cheap junk hardware on the ones i saw
Yeah, I don't think I can buy a Jackson again until they fix their QC. Back in 91 or 92 I had 2 Jacksons, bother were the Kelly. I had the $600.00 and the Pro Kellly at $1200. I believe the pro version came with the original (German made), Floyd Rose. I'm now looking towards buying ESP's.
So do you think you will buy the Japan Jacksons that they have out now to see how well their made?
None of the Japanese Jackson models impress me though.
I hear you, The E-II models are nice and made in Japan. I'm happy Jackson started a new run of Guitars made in Japan, sure they might be a little plain but I'm more curious about a King V and or a Kelly for the MIJ series which isn't confirmed yet from what I know. They should try those because I would possibly be interested.
Just go a bit lower on price and get a Pro Rhoads RR or Pro RR3, if the crackle finishes aren’t that important to you. The latter just got delivered to Gus G (Firewind, Ozzy Osborne) from Jackson himself when he stated he didn’t have a Rhoads guitar, and it looked flawless and sounded great (might be a cherry picked one). Indonesian rather than Chinese.
I will NEVER consider an import a "high-end" guitar. Keep looking, I got a purple one for $999
I will say, China CAN make acoustic guitars well, people don't realize that runs in their blood.......But I agree $1500 is ridiculous for a chinese Jackson. Personally I have USA, Japan, Indonesia and China.......and you can't judge the country, you gotta PLAY every thing first.......But like I said, $1500 for chinese electric is ballsy stupid.
Might as well buy an E2.
Most of the Indo guitars were/are awful, I had a couple briefly. So far the couple MIC ones ive checked out have been solid, I might actually buy one of those Ellis sigs. Nice KV pro, I have one myself sick axes!
That's rad! Also I got the 2021 MF Pro and it does actually feel better than the Indonesia Jacksons I've played
This is very discouraging disappointing because the paint job on it is absolutely beautiful. Sad
That's what I'm saying and this is coming from me being a bad Jackson fan too
How thick are the solar necks compared to Jackson necks?
Jackson seems to be the thinnest normally. The Solar necks are fairly thin too, C shape. A little bit thicker than a Jackson neck but not too much more.
I'm buying some version(year) of that guitar sooner or later and I can't wait
There's some kickass Rhoads models out there, I'm sure you'll find the right one that plays and sounds the way you want it.
@@clanofhousecats8079 no I'm not interested in the Rhodes. Strictly the King Vs it is albout that Megadeth legacy for me. Mustaine is my favourite songwriter
@@konanarcher Ohhh Hell yes Hail to the King. The King V is probably my favorite V body guitar. Mustaine is my boy as well.
@@clanofhousecats8079 Do you have any tips as to which year or model I should pursue. Like what has the aesthetic, sound, feel. I know the 95 ones are probably quite rare and was wondering what could make the cut. BTW love your vids and playing especially!
@@konanarcher So can't go wrong with a USA or Japan made King V though if you're not trying to that extreme, maybe a Pro Series King V that's not bolt on made in likely Indonesia. The problem with those though is I've seen quite a bit on the binding crack on Indonesia built Jacksons. Would go with a painted neck but most King V's over the last few years have unfinished necks. I would go for one that has a fixed bridge instead of a floyd since Mustaine mostly uses a fixed bridge. Some Jackson X series models are also close to some Mustaine specs if you're looking to spend less money. Sound wise for a guitar I would recommend the Seymour Duncan JB Bridge and 59 Neck set for Megadeth tone. Passive pickups and Mustaine used a JB in the bridge for years. If you want active pickups it wouldn't hurt to get the Seymour Duncan Dave Mustaine Livewires. There's also the Mustaine Thrash Factor set that came out a couple years ago, Passive pickups. Thank you for your support with my channel! I'm budgeting to try to review some other Jacksons in the future.
It's a debate for sure. Looking at this objectively it's a hit and miss with Jackson as it is with most brands. (Imop) and from what I've witnessed myself. Quality really does suffer from Jackson. At the pro line price you can buy a way better quality parts and crafted guitar or bass from Schecter. And plus Schecter offers a left-hand version in just about every model that they make. Something Jackson doesn't even come close to doing. Here's my biggest complaint about most major brands. When you spend $1,000 on up they're shipped to you in a cardboard box. Not a hard shell case. I'm sorry when something that expensive is shipped to you in a cardboard box that's not the experience I want!!
Yeah! This was shipped in a box and damaged from Jackson warehouse to Guitar Center. Should have had a gigbag at least. I'm not seeing the value at $1400. You can get many guitars with Seymour Duncan's and a nice Floyd for even cheaper
@@clanofhousecats8079 sorry to hear about the damage. I honestly feel that Jackson guitars and basses are lacking in general most people buy them because of the reputation they once had and because of their shapes. The mij series that's out now is the throwback to the '80s and early 90s but I can't see shelling out over $2,000 for one
@@tonycarel1785 I actually can see the value for 2021 standards and shipping customs. The MIJ is worth it BUT they need to up to line in options, like there isn't a King V or Kelly yet, Jackson just dipped their toes back into Japan. I buy Jackson for spec. Their designs also feel comfortable for me to play
I thought all the pro-series were made in Mexico. The price would make sense if that was the case. Wow was i way off. $1500 for Chinese? No thanks.
ua-cam.com/video/csrOtzQWT90/v-deo.html I just reviewed one in hand if you're interested to see how it went. There was a lot to go over...
Man that same guitar in Australia is $3399 aud or $2443 usd and they put the prices of the USA made series to $6500. They are just pricing themselves out of the market. With some of the QC issues I have seen and also the almost 12 month waiting time for a guitar to arrive.
That's so insane!?
@@clanofhousecats8079 yer welcome to fender/Jackson Australia. 2019 I had a guitar on order for 6 months, the day after they slapped a $200 price rise on it magically got sent out from the warehouse.
I won't touch Jackson's, over priced, inconsistent quality, absolute bare minimum specs. Could manage to have them Korean made for half these models with the lack of value you're getting to begin with 😑
It's been heart breaking to me, there are a few select models now since I think 2020 that are made in Korea and I want to get one for the channel
Would love to play the Dave Davidson signature!
I wish jackson (fender actually) would move their pro models to Korea and have ALL their X series made in Indonesia n maybe just keep their JS series in China. No hate towards anyway but NO way in hell would I pay 1400 of my honest earned money on any Chinese product. C'mon jackson...
I have a 2017 SL2 pro soloist made in Indonesia! It plays extremely great knowing that I only paid 500 plus for it haha.
That's kinda what I mean, I wasn't seeing the $1400 value
@@clanofhousecats8079 yeah I can't see it either! Btw, how do their Indian models hold up these days? I've never had my hands on a Indian jackson before! Judging from pictures, they look almost on par with their Japanese models but I could be way wrong haha!
@@9MAYHEM6 My first guitar was an India made Rhoads JS model. It was fine, most of those models I see are bolt-ons
Yeah agreed, the Schecters with the crazy finishes (Silver Mountain/etc) are still Korean and even come with SS frets/USA pickups/etc.
Personally i think Jackson are rude to be asking what theyre asking for their "MIJ" line they have now 😡 like the early MIJ Jacksons were a way for people who couldnt afford a USA model to be able to have a Jackson.
Now they are asking not far off what a USA model is and im sorry i dont care how good the early MIJ Jacksons were (some were as good, if not better then some USA's) and the fact that 90's MIJ Jacksons are gaining value fast but im not paying what they want for a new MIJ model when for slightly more i can get a USA model, no way 🙄!
Japan became an expensive country to live in, so wages and other costs had to go up.
It's called progress.
China is facing a similar problem, with spiralling property values and a shrinking workforce that is far less interested in taking slave wages and working 80hr weeks.
China still has lower regulation in regards to employee safety and environmental standards, but Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos are modernizing fast, while still being cheaper.
To be honest, it's the USA Jackson's that are appalling value these days.
Ever since Jackson's US operation was incorporated into the Fender plant, quality control has taken a nose dive while prices have almost doubled.
Brotha what amp are you plugged in to tho ?
Blackstar 150w amp head with 2-12 cab 🤘
But the bar is made in korea
Hey man I am a huge Jackson fan who also owned korean vmnt s and Pro series King V I feel like our guitar taste is super close and I wanna have a chat with you do you have an instagram account we can have a chat with?
Hell yeah, my Instagram is the same name as the channel. Might start linking that stuff to my videos