@@enlongjones2394 I agree on the Esuna part, and kinda along the same lines having Stuns / Interrupts matter more. Like in e8s, I could actually silence one of the rock elementals. I love using Rescue when I heal, but I feel like it would be nearly impossible for the devs to plan around it without being too specific. I guess having more mechanics that require constant-but-not-too-precise movement? That way casters can still turret until the last second?
Thank you Hector! There really are no guides quite like yours. The focus on explaining the inner workings of each mechanic rather than just giving confusing procedural instructions gives my so much more knowledge and confidence when progging.
Totally agree. Understanding the underlying mechanics is particularly useful when you run into alternative strats so that you can better assess the rationale behind them and determine what works best for you or your party.
We really appreciate your work Hector. Simple-to-follow guides like this have done wonders for expanding the hardcore community over the course of Endwalker. Hope to hear/see more from you in 7.0 or before 🤙
Love that this is all pastebin Strats. One thing I would like to add about Crush Helm: Paladins can help the healers out by using Cover on their cotank before the first hit of Crush Helm goes off, because all 8 stacks (it only caps at 4) will go on the Paladin instead of 4 on each tank, meaning only one tank has to be Esuna’d. The other tank still has to use mit to survive the follow-up hit (Cover does not… cover that lol) but it helps take the stress off of having both healers have to Esuna both tanks. IF you have a Paladin and a Warrior, you can completely ignore using Esuna on the debuff for the first Crush Helm entirely if you have the Paladin use their invuln before the hit goes off at the end; the Crush Helm debuff will fall off before the invuln does. Might be fun to try in a static environment!
one thing to note if you're doing the cover-invuln strat is that the paladin and warrior need to move away from each other to break the cover tether before the final hit, as if cover is still active the tankbuster will hit the warrior, be transmitted through the cover tether, and annihilate the paladin through their invuln because cover damage ignores hallowed ground
From what I've seen with the Pastebin Pangenesis 2 + 0 strat, I believe the blobs are formed in a particular way. When the person getting a number subtracted from their debuff matches with their partner after the subtraction, they get the critical factor debuff and form the blob. In this way and the way the strat tells us to move, it basically means that towers 2 + 3 will always form blobs, then one tower from the final pair will form a blob. 2 + 0 = no blob, become 1 + 0. Then they soak a tower together again. This time, 1 + 0 turn into 0 + 0. The player with 1 gets critical factor (the debuff stacks match after the subtraction). 2 + 1 become 1 + 1, the player that had 2 to start will get a critical factor. We are then left with 1 + 0 and 1 + 0. Both will turn into 0 + 0s after the debuff stack is removed. The 1 that doesn't already have critical factor will receive it and form the blob at this point. This logic of how the critical factor debuff is assigned and blobs are formed is also consistent with Yuki's p12s part 2 strat and other week 1 clear videos. Another way to look at it is if the two participants in a mix are 1 stack of the debuff apart, the one with higher number of stacks before the mix will receive critical factor (assuming they don't already have it). I'm not sure this has been mentioned and it doesn't really matter as long as people are mixing with their tower soak buddy before moving on to the next tower, but I guess it's kind of interesting to point out nonetheless. Edit: After reading the actual tooltip for the redistribution mechanic, I guess when a person with no stacks mixes, the 'redistribution' only gives stacks to people who already had stacks of the debuff. It's possibly a 'hidden' mechanic because the tooltip is already really long. The redistribution mechanic tooltip technically makes it sound like a '0' can receive stacks, but that's clearly not how it works. The logic of both players having the same number of stacks after the redistribution resulting in critical factor and dropping a slime still applies.
Even though I already completed the tier, I wouldn't have been able to do it as quickly without your previous videos, and I'm sure this one will make brushing up before reclears easier for me. Thank you Hector!
For uavs, you dont actually need to go middle for heals. Every skill should be able to reach from one side of the arena to the other, its only the character models that shrink but ranges remain the same
I think cure 3 and paladin wings flash are the only exceptions, but you’re right that going mid is mostly unnecessary. I think going mid for heals is just a force of habit in my mind.
going middle for heals is not needed. but going middle helps preposition for the next stretch. i find that helps a lot if we already are at the middle so no need to run across platform if that happens to be the case.
Thanks for making a disclaimer about regional strats. Rinons guide is pretty top tier and EU is handling it fine so would suck to divert from that now.
As someone who has never done a single savage fight ever, it brings me joy to know that these fights are so scripted and expectable. It's just moving to the right spots with flashing colors on the screen (that's a good thing) obviously it's more than that, but it's essentially what I'm seeing. The stress of it all would get to me, though
Me realizing my static is almost done. We are progging Classical 2. Almost there and what is left doesn't seem to crazy hard. Looking forward to having it done!
For caloric2, if you're the last person the easiest way to dodge is to just go back again, no need to dodge "away" from the group since everyone will already be away. Helps eliminate thinking
Nice guide :) ty for making and sharing. And hi to the cat in the background 🐱. My static does the Crush Helm with a PLD covering the MT (WAR). The cover method requires some positionals but also some timing on the PLD end. I'd like to add a tip to those groups that tend to use this way of solving crush helm. Pallas Athena has a speech bubble/chat line saying a line with -cover- in it. If you see that; you can hit cover and do rest of the mechanic. We found out this is the perfect timing for cover in terms of walking and activating Hallowed Ground. I hope it helps some one :D
Good stuff! This will be super helpful to PF! Two things worth noting, during Pangenesis, let the west slime tethers person go far to NW corner instead of West, otherwise anyone NOT max-melee in the group will get clipped. At the end of Caloric 2, the last person in the daisy chain can simply return to their original spot, this may be more comfortable for those not knowing where to go.
I hadn't even noticed the tiny safe spot in the NW corner during slimes. That's really helpful to note, though still good practice for the rest to go max melee out in case the slime tether player is slow.
The advantage of yolo'ing the classical proteans is that healers can bully people into getting a spot that lets them slide inwards. There is a lot of raidwide damage that has both just happened and is also coming. Good luck to you if you force a bunch of extra movement forcing a particular prio.
There's nothing wrong with yoloing it and even if using a prio, I'd recommend being flexible in case you have a BLM in the party or are having issues healing before the ultima. My group just happened to find the prio more consistent.
Really like all the strats you chose! Me personally would change UAV2 to have the person who had the first tether stay as the 2nd tethers will always be opposite of the first and really helps out casters cause you dont have to move at all and accomplishes the same thing. Also don't have to go middle for heals since the arena shrinks but ability and skill range doesnt. Great guide as always!
This sounds really great! I think going middle for heals is just a force of habit, like how I still dip middle before popping shake despite its massive range these days. I will definitely give your suggestion a try!
Hey Hector - quick question. I am thinking of doing a project for quick PF farm strats and wondered if you would mind if I used screenshots from your videos? I would obviously give you credit and provide links to your YT / socials. I am not planning on doing videos, it would be a website dedicated to / for newer players who may not have the time / skill level (and/or attention span) to learn all mechanics but want a quick run-down before heading into PF. (Not for savage content atm) I have recently been diagnosed with some potential long-term downtime so I wanted to put that time to use. That and I am tired of always being just a dorito. :) Of course, if you would rather I don't, I would completely respect your answer. Ty for all the time and effort you put in to your videos and the community!
To add some small points, practically every group I've seen also does uav add relative, and tbs on left side. Also some positionings differ slightly while the strats are the same so to anyone progressing this in eu: please remember to check the raidplan your group is following so you know your positions (and for the different cal1 strat)
Got a guess on why the slimes don’t spawn when merging 2 and 0 on Pangenesis. If you combine 2 and 0, then divide by 2, you get 1, with no remainder. The other combinations (1 and 2, 1 and 0), do not divide evenly by 2. So maybe the slime is what you get when you have a remainder.
Ye, I think the 0.5 remainder that gets rounded off becomes the slime. If you look up the actual idea of pangenesis it seems to coincide with the concept of gemmules.
isnt the caloric theory at 12:31 drawn incorrectly? h1 has a fire on his head but no fire debuff while m2 has the fire debuff but no fire on his head???
My group actually does similar, using the same priority as from Para 2 in Phase 1; TH N->CW, DPS W->CCW, group 1 move first. My guide is just showing the standard pastebin version as there's no real advantage to either version, just personal preference.
Hector you're AMAZING. And I would LOVE for some TEA/UWU/TOP guides from you!!! There's others that make guides but you'rs are by FAR the most helpful to certain minds like my own!
Just to be clear, you can solve Classical Concepts 2 without the movement part yes. It's just because that makes it easier from a thinking perspective and harder from a movement perspective?
I was so hoping to get a good explanation for the Pangenesis debuffs. Hearing that there is none and it might be a bug feels kind of unsatisfying ^^' Anyway, thanks a lot for making the guide! I can imagine it must be a ton of work, but I think it really helps players out!
Unsatisfying is definitely the word for it. If anyone can give a good explanation for why 2+0 makes 1+0 but doesn't give critical factor or a slime, I'd love to hear it.
@@HectorHectorson I think it makes sense that losing the unstable factor is what gives you critical factor and summons the slime, but as you say the description strongly suggests that joining a 2+0 should result in 1+1 rather than 1+0. Doing that would cause you to summon 8 slimes and make it unbeatable though, and while starting with 2+1 isn't really much harder (only which tower people start at and move to on the second set changes), perhaps they simply decided they wouldn't let you dead end the mechanic that way? They do have a history of making the mechanics we see in the end somewhat simpler due to perceived challenges during testing. Perhaps their testers got stuck trying to figure out how to handle 8 slimes and they made the change to prevent issues?
Not sure if intended but the Caloric 1 arrows don't show a "full" rotation, which can happen. As G1 melee you can totally end up on the A marker, and not just up to B. Applies to everyone.
Nothing intended by the length of the arrows; just showing the general direction of the rotation. You'll see that in the example I use, the group 1 DPS actually does have to go to A and the group 2 DPS to D.
I'm so glad he put the alpha north/beta south BPOG palladian baits in there. I despise the yolo bs that party finder does when there's an option to for everyone to have a "correct" position. edit: typo
Quick question regarding Caloric 2: Can you accidently pass the entropification debuff back to the original player if you wait too long while stacking? My static has been having this issue and we cannot tell if it's a bug or server ticks being prevalent during our runs. Clarity: A player (1) would move to stack and the debuff would successfully pass to another player (2). They then move to their safe spots continuing the mechanic. However, after moving to their spots, the debuff would then hop from player (2) back to player (1) even though they're no longer stacking. Everyone in the static sees the debuff pass and then pass back from their pov so we believe it is not user error but rather a severe server tick.
Party finder beware for Classical 1: I got essentially yelled at for doing Alphas->north, Betas->south. Even though I personally love something to be consistent, I was very much scolded for not doing the "use eyes" method. Even though the use eyes method can lead to some odd scenarios, groups are swearing by it.
not a fan of the marker setup for caloric 2 in this tbh. also papan strat is unnecessarily tight to play with, but nonetheless quality guide and visualization.
Awesome work on the video as always. I really appreciate the work you put into these and they play a huge role in all of clears this tier. On a slightly unrelated note, I'd like to reach out to you for a video idea but didn't know how to contact you directly. I left a message on your twitch as well as trying to track you down ingame but no luck in either spot. if anyone else in the comments knows him, please tell him to reach back out to me! Here or Zappu Raie on Aether-Sargatanas as well. Thanks!
@@Rukia21love Just like chimeric, the guys you want the numbers spread outside, rest stack mid. For caloric the guys you want beacons preposition, and the rest of the party stack mid
on Ekpyrosis I keep taking way too much damage and I dont know why. Ill be in the corner stacked with others and then before we even need to start spreading Ill get hit and dropped to like 5% is that just proximity damage from the middle or?
5:40 you say meet up in the blue spot in your lane. how do you know which is your lane? main tank goes across the arena in your example, how do you know who goes to who?
wait, im an idiot i literally figured it out right as i posted this. vertically and left to right x square o triangle is the lane, i didnt connect the dots cause the graphic falls off right as they organize themselves. my bad!
The two players without unstable factor are required to pick up the tethers at the end (3 each). If you've had unstable factor, the tethers are lethal to you.
not gonna lie, i do hope you end up also making a video on the EU strats, for the folks that are doing the fight over here that need a bit more clarity that the Rinon guide kinda doesn't have
@@HectorHectorson just about every mech shows is different in eu pf, tanks invuln west, relative uav (fixed is nw-e), palladian baits are sc2a half room spreads, rescue is common but if not then tank again on w cleaves, ekpyrosis spreads are different (tank+range static corners). caloric2 mid skip is picking up slowly, although last person just moves back into his spot rather than out.
@@HectorHectorson the big one is caloric 1 as we do a completely different one, but ad-relative UAV1 and 2+1 pangenesis could also be very useful for any EU player sorry for late response, but youtube didn't notify me that you responded
@@HectorHectorson I have to agree, I hope you post an EU video on the differences (TB invul cleaves west, adds relative uav, caloric 1 rinon, 2+1 pang+rescue sometimes) are the main differences I see. A lot of people from chaos/light use primarily your guides only, and these are NA strats so it's going to cause a lot of confusion I feel.
On caloric 1, why have same role as beacon go to other marker? I don't see how that changes anything over the original strat of just having static positions at start and those on the sides swapping if neccessary.
I originally thought the same, but the big advantage is having consistent sets in the middle. You are guaranteed to have a gp 1 dps, gp 1 support, gp 2 dps, gp 2 support. If you don’t do role partners, you can get both gp 1 supports middle and you need a prio for who adjusts. This is more challenging than going to the waymark if your role partner gets beacon.
@@HectorHectorson True, I guess if you do the center debuffs according to light parties, that would make it simpler. Alternative to solve that issue would then just have role prio instead but that's not what Papan strat does.
@@florac1995 With role prios, you get the same issue, but for who moves first. My group actually uses role prios and the role partners at the start mean I will always be in middle with my co-tank; I move first, they move second. Without role partners, my co-tank would have to see who else they're in middle with to work out who moves first. Static spots still works, but I consider it the tiniest bit more challenging that way.
I've tried to make it as clear as possible that these are not the strats used in EU PF, and that the Rinon guide is a much better reference for those strats. Hopefully you won't see my name much on Chaos or Light for this fight.
@@HectorHectorson I unfortunately think it will be more used though, mainly becuase you visualize mechanics a lot better so for those unfamilair its easier to pick up then Rinon's way of explaining mechanics, even though I feel their way of doing Coloric 1 lines up better with Coloric 2 (due to similiaraties in posistions).
came for the guide, stayed for the cat at 4:12
that literally made me smile
" ..... Near to the middle....... *meow*
@@matthewbarber164 Thought it was my cat
Same!@@wingzer012
Sorry this took so long! I hope you enjoyed my guides this tier!
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK :)
Appreciate everything you do! Keep up the great work!
Macro for Classical 2?
you are king
@@TidusTheGame I knew I forgot something. Just added to the description now.
4:12 Cat! 🐱
I was at work when I heard this so I was DEFINITELY confused.
Cat-aggro exists even for a guide-creator!
Thought it was my cat irl and had to rewind
I'm so dumb it hurts to think and these guides are still easy enough for me to understand. thank you for existing homie
8:04 ah yes my once-an-expac time to use Warden's. I'm ready.
This game really needs more reasons to use Esuna. Rescue too. I was so excited when I saw that rescue strats were viable in Zeromus.
@@enlongjones2394 I agree on the Esuna part, and kinda along the same lines having Stuns / Interrupts matter more. Like in e8s, I could actually silence one of the rock elementals.
I love using Rescue when I heal, but I feel like it would be nearly impossible for the devs to plan around it without being too specific. I guess having more mechanics that require constant-but-not-too-precise movement? That way casters can still turret until the last second?
Thanks! You might as well be our raids 9th player!
Thank you Hector! There really are no guides quite like yours. The focus on explaining the inner workings of each mechanic rather than just giving confusing procedural instructions gives my so much more knowledge and confidence when progging.
Totally agree. Understanding the underlying mechanics is particularly useful when you run into alternative strats so that you can better assess the rationale behind them and determine what works best for you or your party.
When Im confused watching nukemaru, I turn to hectors for explanation
We really appreciate your work Hector. Simple-to-follow guides like this have done wonders for expanding the hardcore community over the course of Endwalker. Hope to hear/see more from you in 7.0 or before 🤙
As Dawntrail gets closer and closer, all i can think is 'will we get our Hector Guides', lol.
Love that this is all pastebin Strats. One thing I would like to add about Crush Helm: Paladins can help the healers out by using Cover on their cotank before the first hit of Crush Helm goes off, because all 8 stacks (it only caps at 4) will go on the Paladin instead of 4 on each tank, meaning only one tank has to be Esuna’d. The other tank still has to use mit to survive the follow-up hit (Cover does not… cover that lol) but it helps take the stress off of having both healers have to Esuna both tanks.
IF you have a Paladin and a Warrior, you can completely ignore using Esuna on the debuff for the first Crush Helm entirely if you have the Paladin use their invuln before the hit goes off at the end; the Crush Helm debuff will fall off before the invuln does. Might be fun to try in a static environment!
one thing to note if you're doing the cover-invuln strat is that the paladin and warrior need to move away from each other to break the cover tether before the final hit, as if cover is still active the tankbuster will hit the warrior, be transmitted through the cover tether, and annihilate the paladin through their invuln because cover damage ignores hallowed ground
>Whole stage flips for shapes
**sharp inhale** Nope, don't like that.
The cat yowling in the background really made it feel like my raid lead was just explaining things between pulls lmao
From what I've seen with the Pastebin Pangenesis 2 + 0 strat, I believe the blobs are formed in a particular way. When the person getting a number subtracted from their debuff matches with their partner after the subtraction, they get the critical factor debuff and form the blob. In this way and the way the strat tells us to move, it basically means that towers 2 + 3 will always form blobs, then one tower from the final pair will form a blob.
2 + 0 = no blob, become 1 + 0. Then they soak a tower together again. This time, 1 + 0 turn into 0 + 0. The player with 1 gets critical factor (the debuff stacks match after the subtraction).
2 + 1 become 1 + 1, the player that had 2 to start will get a critical factor. We are then left with 1 + 0 and 1 + 0. Both will turn into 0 + 0s after the debuff stack is removed. The 1 that doesn't already have critical factor will receive it and form the blob at this point.
This logic of how the critical factor debuff is assigned and blobs are formed is also consistent with Yuki's p12s part 2 strat and other week 1 clear videos. Another way to look at it is if the two participants in a mix are 1 stack of the debuff apart, the one with higher number of stacks before the mix will receive critical factor (assuming they don't already have it).
I'm not sure this has been mentioned and it doesn't really matter as long as people are mixing with their tower soak buddy before moving on to the next tower, but I guess it's kind of interesting to point out nonetheless.
Edit: After reading the actual tooltip for the redistribution mechanic, I guess when a person with no stacks mixes, the 'redistribution' only gives stacks to people who already had stacks of the debuff. It's possibly a 'hidden' mechanic because the tooltip is already really long. The redistribution mechanic tooltip technically makes it sound like a '0' can receive stacks, but that's clearly not how it works. The logic of both players having the same number of stacks after the redistribution resulting in critical factor and dropping a slime still applies.
Even though I already completed the tier, I wouldn't have been able to do it as quickly without your previous videos, and I'm sure this one will make brushing up before reclears easier for me. Thank you Hector!
For uavs, you dont actually need to go middle for heals. Every skill should be able to reach from one side of the arena to the other, its only the character models that shrink but ranges remain the same
I think cure 3 and paladin wings flash are the only exceptions, but you’re right that going mid is mostly unnecessary. I think going mid for heals is just a force of habit in my mind.
going middle for heals is not needed. but going middle helps preposition for the next stretch. i find that helps a lot if we already are at the middle so no need to run across platform if that happens to be the case.
IT HAS ARRIVED. THANK YOU HECTOR!!!
great work! its way easyer to understand fights through your animations while u explain everything so precize!
Thank you so much!!! Your guides are the best!
thanks hector! i always look forward to when you release a guide, they help so much!
I love Maverick telling us to stay near to the meowddle at 4:12
Thanks for making a disclaimer about regional strats. Rinons guide is pretty top tier and EU is handling it fine so would suck to divert from that now.
4:12 miqote in this pf!
Amazing guide, genuinely the only guide maker who i can actually understand. Great work keep it up.
appreciate the guides bro! im still stuck on 10s but your vids are always super helpful
As someone who has never done a single savage fight ever, it brings me joy to know that these fights are so scripted and expectable. It's just moving to the right spots with flashing colors on the screen (that's a good thing) obviously it's more than that, but it's essentially what I'm seeing. The stress of it all would get to me, though
Lmk when you've cleared P12S!
Me realizing my static is almost done. We are progging Classical 2. Almost there and what is left doesn't seem to crazy hard. Looking forward to having it done!
For caloric2, if you're the last person the easiest way to dodge is to just go back again, no need to dodge "away" from the group since everyone will already be away. Helps eliminate thinking
I don't think that way. Just do your normal movement no point of doing an another don't change your habit. For this is easier to do the same always
Nice guide :) ty for making and sharing. And hi to the cat in the background 🐱. My static does the Crush Helm with a PLD covering the MT (WAR). The cover method requires some positionals but also some timing on the PLD end. I'd like to add a tip to those groups that tend to use this way of solving crush helm. Pallas Athena has a speech bubble/chat line saying a line with -cover- in it. If you see that; you can hit cover and do rest of the mechanic. We found out this is the perfect timing for cover in terms of walking and activating Hallowed Ground. I hope it helps some one :D
Thank you so much Hector! keep on the good work
got the clear! as always, owe it to you
C41?
for general nerd reasons: the "blue shape" is called an icosahedron. But you'll likely know it by it's most common use, being the d20 or 20 sided die.
finally a good guide 🎉
Good stuff! This will be super helpful to PF! Two things worth noting, during Pangenesis, let the west slime tethers person go far to NW corner instead of West, otherwise anyone NOT max-melee in the group will get clipped. At the end of Caloric 2, the last person in the daisy chain can simply return to their original spot, this may be more comfortable for those not knowing where to go.
I hadn't even noticed the tiny safe spot in the NW corner during slimes. That's really helpful to note, though still good practice for the rest to go max melee out in case the slime tether player is slow.
Doing the Lord's work Hector great job ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
love it. very easy to understand
Well done, hope this guide reduces PF mayhem.
The advantage of yolo'ing the classical proteans is that healers can bully people into getting a spot that lets them slide inwards. There is a lot of raidwide damage that has both just happened and is also coming. Good luck to you if you force a bunch of extra movement forcing a particular prio.
There's nothing wrong with yoloing it and even if using a prio, I'd recommend being flexible in case you have a BLM in the party or are having issues healing before the ultima. My group just happened to find the prio more consistent.
Thank you very much!
Really like all the strats you chose! Me personally would change UAV2 to have the person who had the first tether stay as the 2nd tethers will always be opposite of the first and really helps out casters cause you dont have to move at all and accomplishes the same thing. Also don't have to go middle for heals since the arena shrinks but ability and skill range doesnt. Great guide as always!
This sounds really great! I think going middle for heals is just a force of habit, like how I still dip middle before popping shake despite its massive range these days. I will definitely give your suggestion a try!
Wow this is so awesome 😎
amazing guide as always
Hey Hector - quick question. I am thinking of doing a project for quick PF farm strats and wondered if you would mind if I used screenshots from your videos? I would obviously give you credit and provide links to your YT / socials. I am not planning on doing videos, it would be a website dedicated to / for newer players who may not have the time / skill level (and/or attention span) to learn all mechanics but want a quick run-down before heading into PF. (Not for savage content atm) I have recently been diagnosed with some potential long-term downtime so I wanted to put that time to use. That and I am tired of always being just a dorito. :) Of course, if you would rather I don't, I would completely respect your answer. Ty for all the time and effort you put in to your videos and the community!
All good with me. Sounds great!
as far as i can tell, only caloric 1 is different from EU strats if any other EU players are wondering
To add some small points, practically every group I've seen also does uav add relative, and tbs on left side.
Also some positionings differ slightly while the strats are the same so to anyone progressing this in eu: please remember to check the raidplan your group is following so you know your positions (and for the different cal1 strat)
I cleared today thx for the guide it’s really better than rinon 💕
Got a guess on why the slimes don’t spawn when merging 2 and 0 on Pangenesis. If you combine 2 and 0, then divide by 2, you get 1, with no remainder. The other combinations (1 and 2, 1 and 0), do not divide evenly by 2. So maybe the slime is what you get when you have a remainder.
Ye, I think the 0.5 remainder that gets rounded off becomes the slime. If you look up the actual idea of pangenesis it seems to coincide with the concept of gemmules.
ITS OUT LETS GOOOOO
For Classical concepts to remember the colors you can use ArBy('s). If (A)lpha block (r)ed, if (B)eta block (y)ellow. ;)
Thanks for the guides, cleared week 9 thanks to it!
Hi Hector, could you make a video explaining the ANBS (alpha north, beta south) variant of classical concepts? Thank you!
epic cat backround noise
Thanks alot!! :)
isnt the caloric theory at 12:31 drawn incorrectly? h1 has a fire on his head but no fire debuff while m2 has the fire debuff but no fire on his head???
Good catch! The fire debuff should be on the two players with fire above their head.
This hurt my brain just watching the video. What the cheese?!
From elemental eng group, we do it TH group 1, dps group 2 for the papan strat, so st h2 also rotate ccw from west.
My group actually does similar, using the same priority as from Para 2 in Phase 1; TH N->CW, DPS W->CCW, group 1 move first.
My guide is just showing the standard pastebin version as there's no real advantage to either version, just personal preference.
Meooow, thanks for the guide!
I wholeheartedly agree with whatever that cat said!
Hector you're AMAZING. And I would LOVE for some TEA/UWU/TOP guides from you!!! There's others that make guides but you'rs are by FAR the most helpful to certain minds like my own!
Just to be clear, you can solve Classical Concepts 2 without the movement part yes. It's just because that makes it easier from a thinking perspective and harder from a movement perspective?
I was so hoping to get a good explanation for the Pangenesis debuffs. Hearing that there is none and it might be a bug feels kind of unsatisfying ^^' Anyway, thanks a lot for making the guide! I can imagine it must be a ton of work, but I think it really helps players out!
Unsatisfying is definitely the word for it. If anyone can give a good explanation for why 2+0 makes 1+0 but doesn't give critical factor or a slime, I'd love to hear it.
@@HectorHectorson I think it makes sense that losing the unstable factor is what gives you critical factor and summons the slime, but as you say the description strongly suggests that joining a 2+0 should result in 1+1 rather than 1+0. Doing that would cause you to summon 8 slimes and make it unbeatable though, and while starting with 2+1 isn't really much harder (only which tower people start at and move to on the second set changes), perhaps they simply decided they wouldn't let you dead end the mechanic that way? They do have a history of making the mechanics we see in the end somewhat simpler due to perceived challenges during testing. Perhaps their testers got stuck trying to figure out how to handle 8 slimes and they made the change to prevent issues?
I better see some cretion duegon guides. Also thanks for the guides ❤
Finally in p2... Dear lord let me clear this month 🙏 get me out of this hell hole
@4:14 there is a cat saying Meow 😹
I appreciated the cat meow
Not sure if intended but the Caloric 1 arrows don't show a "full" rotation, which can happen. As G1 melee you can totally end up on the A marker, and not just up to B. Applies to everyone.
Nothing intended by the length of the arrows; just showing the general direction of the rotation. You'll see that in the example I use, the group 1 DPS actually does have to go to A and the group 2 DPS to D.
I'm so glad he put the alpha north/beta south BPOG palladian baits in there. I despise the yolo bs that party finder does when there's an option to for everyone to have a "correct" position.
edit: typo
Yolo can work, but my group has found this far more consistent when you have fixed spots to go to.
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Quick question regarding Caloric 2: Can you accidently pass the entropification debuff back to the original player if you wait too long while stacking? My static has been having this issue and we cannot tell if it's a bug or server ticks being prevalent during our runs.
Clarity: A player (1) would move to stack and the debuff would successfully pass to another player (2). They then move to their safe spots continuing the mechanic. However, after moving to their spots, the debuff would then hop from player (2) back to player (1) even though they're no longer stacking. Everyone in the static sees the debuff pass and then pass back from their pov so we believe it is not user error but rather a severe server tick.
Party finder beware for Classical 1: I got essentially yelled at for doing Alphas->north, Betas->south. Even though I personally love something to be consistent, I was very much scolded for not doing the "use eyes" method. Even though the use eyes method can lead to some odd scenarios, groups are swearing by it.
4:12 unexpected cat
cat meows @4:13. enjoy :D
Is it just me or does this seem way easier than phase 1? A little more confusing, sure, but easier overall.
not a fan of the marker setup for caloric 2 in this tbh. also papan strat is unnecessarily tight to play with, but nonetheless quality guide and visualization.
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"Meow"
I can heard your cat in the background, or is just sound effect xD
hector controller player confirmed - based
Awesome work on the video as always. I really appreciate the work you put into these and they play a huge role in all of clears this tier. On a slightly unrelated note, I'd like to reach out to you for a video idea but didn't know how to contact you directly. I left a message on your twitch as well as trying to track you down ingame but no luck in either spot. if anyone else in the comments knows him, please tell him to reach back out to me! Here or Zappu Raie on Aether-Sargatanas as well. Thanks!
Hello! What's the best way to get in touch with you?
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poggers cat 4:12
is the strat your showing for pangenesis the same as ag3?
For Caloric 1 you could actually bait the beacons like chimeric succession on p9s
How so?
@@Rukia21love Just like chimeric, the guys you want the numbers spread outside, rest stack mid. For caloric the guys you want beacons preposition, and the rest of the party stack mid
4:12 KITTY :D
on Ekpyrosis I keep taking way too much damage and I dont know why. Ill be in the corner stacked with others and then before we even need to start spreading Ill get hit and dropped to like 5% is that just proximity damage from the middle or?
What happened to "or its game over" after enrage D:
There's a type in the description. It still says Phase 1.
Good catch! Thank you!
5:40 you say meet up in the blue spot in your lane. how do you know which is your lane? main tank goes across the arena in your example, how do you know who goes to who?
wait, im an idiot i literally figured it out right as i posted this. vertically and left to right x square o triangle is the lane, i didnt connect the dots cause the graphic falls off right as they organize themselves. my bad!
I'm only here to say... I CLEARED IT BBY AND IM OUTTA HERE FINALLY
what even is uav
4:14 I wish to see the background voice actor here XD
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@@HectorHectorsonThanks that’s cute kitty :D
sir hector pretty please add subtitles to your videos ... so i can watch in a vc with people talking over you lol
Why are there only 6 players for unstable factor instead of 8?
The two players without unstable factor are required to pick up the tethers at the end (3 each). If you've had unstable factor, the tethers are lethal to you.
not gonna lie, i do hope you end up also making a video on the EU strats, for the folks that are doing the fight over here that need a bit more clarity that the Rinon guide kinda doesn't have
Any particular EU strat that you think needs a clearer explanation?
@@HectorHectorson just about every mech shows is different in eu pf, tanks invuln west, relative uav (fixed is nw-e), palladian baits are sc2a half room spreads, rescue is common but if not then tank again on w cleaves, ekpyrosis spreads are different (tank+range static corners). caloric2 mid skip is picking up slowly, although last person just moves back into his spot rather than out.
@@HectorHectorson the big one is caloric 1 as we do a completely different one, but ad-relative UAV1 and 2+1 pangenesis could also be very useful for any EU player
sorry for late response, but youtube didn't notify me that you responded
@@HectorHectorson I have to agree, I hope you post an EU video on the differences (TB invul cleaves west, adds relative uav, caloric 1 rinon, 2+1 pang+rescue sometimes) are the main differences I see.
A lot of people from chaos/light use primarily your guides only, and these are NA strats so it's going to cause a lot of confusion I feel.
On caloric 1, why have same role as beacon go to other marker? I don't see how that changes anything over the original strat of just having static positions at start and those on the sides swapping if neccessary.
I originally thought the same, but the big advantage is having consistent sets in the middle. You are guaranteed to have a gp 1 dps, gp 1 support, gp 2 dps, gp 2 support. If you don’t do role partners, you can get both gp 1 supports middle and you need a prio for who adjusts. This is more challenging than going to the waymark if your role partner gets beacon.
@@HectorHectorson True, I guess if you do the center debuffs according to light parties, that would make it simpler. Alternative to solve that issue would then just have role prio instead but that's not what Papan strat does.
@@florac1995 With role prios, you get the same issue, but for who moves first. My group actually uses role prios and the role partners at the start mean I will always be in middle with my co-tank; I move first, they move second. Without role partners, my co-tank would have to see who else they're in middle with to work out who moves first. Static spots still works, but I consider it the tiniest bit more challenging that way.
Death by hugs? :D Joy!
04:12 Cute kitty
Kitty at t=252!!
Good guide, but... man this is going to wreck EU PF. Almost every strat is done differently here.
I've tried to make it as clear as possible that these are not the strats used in EU PF, and that the Rinon guide is a much better reference for those strats. Hopefully you won't see my name much on Chaos or Light for this fight.
@@HectorHectorson I unfortunately think it will be more used though, mainly becuase you visualize mechanics a lot better so for those unfamilair its easier to pick up then Rinon's way of explaining mechanics, even though I feel their way of doing Coloric 1 lines up better with Coloric 2 (due to similiaraties in posistions).
28:26 😻😻
ngl i feel like this is easier than phase 1 was LOL
Yo did just hear a cat
What does UAV stand for?
Think Call of Duty "UAV Online!"
It's just a reference to the super zoomed-out view you get as a result of the shrinking.
I think the community went with it as a nod to the "UAV" memes from the TOP world first race zoom hackers.