World War 2: USMC Haversack and Knapsacks | Collector's & History Corner
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USMC Haversack and Knapsacks, A Change and Evolution
At the start of the war, the M1912 Haversack, meat can pouch, and pack carrier were still in use. They were soon replaced by the M1941 Haversack and Knapsack. This was a better design compared to the M1912 and were issued in large numbers from the campaign on Guadalcanal and throughout. Several small improvements were made throughout the course of the war. The Marines DQP did manufacture them, but they were immediately contracted out to meet the intense demands.
The Boyt company manufactured Knapsacks during the war to the Marines.
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I still have my instructional booklet that we used in 1968. I was a Navy Corpsman, and went through Field Medical Service School at Montford Point, at Camp Lejeune, and we still used the same equipment as in WW2. The Army always got the good stuff, and the Marines always did more with less. There were 5 different setups for the packs. When both were used together it was the field transport pack, and it was heavy. Thank you for a great video.
ronald trowbridge yep I was at P.I. Around that time we trained with field transport pack.
Thank you for your service gentlemen!
Thank you for putting the time into this series of USMC videos, very helpful for collectors and historians alike.
I entered MCRD San Diego 3DEC73, PLT 2117. We went thru Infantry Training School and Rifle Range at Camp Pendleton in FEB 74. We were issued the M1941 Field Transport Pack [Haversack plus Knapsack] as 782 Gear for the evolution. Even though the Alice system load bearing equipment was in standard issue in the Fleet, it was felt the old school gear ''built character.'' Really uncomfortable stuff.
Wow the ghosting from the buckle and straps from when they applied the camo is kinda cool.
Wonderful video! Truly keeping history alive. Sir, I love watching all of your videos about your and others collections. Please keep up the quality content!
I've heard you can use infra red to show up faded ink stencils
Interestingly enough, the P1912 could be converted to be worn as a backpack. The two D rings on the lower flap that folds up into the pack can have hooks secured on them, making any attachment to a cartridge/pistol belt not necessary in theory. Whether it was done or not, is a different discussion.
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I have a M1928 haversack (an 'improved' M1910) and I've worn it without a belt and it works rather well but only without the 'diaper' tail. If the tail is attached it's hard to reach the D-rings and the tail sits far to low.
I doubt that a soldier would want to wear the haversack without a belt, it moves about quite a bit without it.
Actually, I have seen images of soldiers (at least one) using the haversack as a backpack, it's a specific image though, and you can probably find it if you were to look up something similar. It's an image of US Army Engineers eating lunch on some ammo crates, and if you look closely at one of them, he is wearing the M1928 without his cartridge belt, and the straps are visibly hooked onto the lower D rings. This is without him wearing the tail piece though. It's an image from around 1942 I believe, and should be easy to find if you look up something similar to say, "1942 Army Engineers Eating Lunch."
Edit: I just checked and it's practically the first image, he has one set of the 2 straps attached to the D rings and another to his pistol belt, but basically the same premise. I'd say if something like that was done it would definitely have been worn as a backpack.
The M-41 haver sack and knap sack were the ones I used when I was in the USMC back in 10/1969 to 10/1973; Vietnam - 1971-1972. Your shelter half is not folded properly. You need to get yourself a Guidebook for Marines. I've got one somewhere around here. Thank God I only had to use that pack during boot camp. I think I've still got my haver and knap sack somewhere in a closet. When I was in boot camp a Sergeant told me to pick up a pair of LAW straps-the straps that held the bundle of LAW rocket launchers together. I did and they came in handy to tie the sleeping bag to the bottom of the knap sack. The knap sack has two loops on the bottom that the LAW rocket launcher straps fit through to hold the sleeping bag. They sure came in handy when I went to Elliot's beach at Paris Island. I think my haver sack still has the hook on it. No, you're wrong about the 5th Marines. The Walking Dead (1-9) were the most famous Marine unit.
My haver sack has the M buckle on it. Also my haver sack was like the last one you show. I had to roll up the flap like yours.
@Matthew Boeding Thanks. You only carried a shelter half with tent pegs, a tent pole and rope. You and your bunky buddy paired a shelter half and you used your parts and his parts to form the tent. That way you only had to carry half of the shelter half pieces. Good luck with your WWII impression.
Thank you for your service good sir.
@@KeepItBrick Thank you.
It was cool to see these pieces of vintage miltary gear.
Ive become very familiar with the m1928 pack
Its not hard once you get in a mental space of the time period
So simple it hurts
Dont over think it
Yea I got the atf jqmd haversack and it's easy to put together
Vertical loops in the middle are for horizontal straps go through. I use it like this on my own US WW2 backpack.
Never seen a collector more enamored by excessive markings
I found one that's got the straps for the meat can pouch missing, what could have caused that?
Joe mentioned the drums of green paint. I didn’t quite get the spelling of the word right, apparently. Anyone have any more info on what was used for field applied camouflage in the pacific? I also know that some raiders dyed their uniform pieces darker for better concealment during their nighttime raids.
Mix-matched uniforms were also fairly common for them.
Interesting to see the use of Blanco to paint on camouflage...
I have a M1928 haversack named to a soldier in the 18th USMC Engineers (part of the 2nd marines).
I have just purchased a matching set, named, USMC BOYT 1944 haversack and knapsack! I would love to see how these fit together and how all the straps are positioned. I can't find anything that shows any detail. A video on this would be greatly appreciated, or direction to another site that shows this information. Great video! Thank You!
I have one of the 41 packs. Hook still on the back. Named and dated Cost me $50
Love your videos -- especially these with your Marine collecting buddy. 🙂 I have a question; Does anybody know WHY the Marines made their knapsacks so small ?
I'm under the impression that the knapsacks weren't meant to be carried in combat, and only carried items that wouldn't be essential in combat
@@usmcgrunt_1944 Thank you sir!!
The loops on the flap the flaps up to protect your stuff inside is for the straps to hold it in place. There's a bunch so you can store varying amounts of crap in your bag center.
Great video excellent thanks
I got a USMC 782 Pack System dated 1952 for $10, have you gotten anything for a deal similar to mine?
Where can I buy this could it be possible to buy the WW1 bag and use it as a school bag
PINKY Zz don't
Don't
why? if you must,get an actual backpack. M 1944. or a U.S. mussette bag. either would be better.
I think the green paint is blanco because it was a commercial thing too
So unenthusiastic!
I know this vid is old but at 8:44 The little cloth loops on the one flap what's you do is the straps that make the pack go in through the holes and the d rings in the bottom is for the bottom 2 straps for the pistol belt I'll put up a video on my yt channel on how to pack it and you'll learn how to do it its not that hard
I have a Vietnam-era haversack of the same 1944 design that has Seabee markings on exterior. It appears unissued but had some minor corrosion on metal parts as from storage, and was a gift from my brother who was a Navy corpsman '69-74 and would have picked it up state-side either at Great Lakes or Oakland. Markings inside are FIELD, PACK CANVAS COMBAT; DSA 100-3510; (3?)465-382-7966, with a stenciled number 5 in a box to the side of the other stencils. Any thoughts?
+Random Button Pusher ; DSA 100-3510 I imagine is the Defense Supply Agency contract number in that era, and the (3?)465-382-7966 is like a part number if you wanted to order more haversacks. That number has been superseded by the NSN "National Stock Number" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Stock_Number
John Yazzie Thanks for the info. Surprising that the Seabees still were using that canvas web gear then, unless it was just older unissued gear that had been kept in very pristine condition.
question? What are the dimensions of the pack?
bad hat Exact same as the 1944 pattern.
Random Button Pusher
LOL okay? Which is?
I have an M1945 Field Pack and have almost no info on it whatsoever. I read they were used by Army units on Okinawa and Korea. Could someone please fill me in? Thanks.
Night Stalker935 that's about all there is to know. they were used by the army in Korea
@@usMarinecuv902 Depending on the month in 1945 the packs used in early 1945 would have been the M1944 style bags. Early M1945 bags were modified from the original M1944 packs.
AP-19 USS Caltin. One of the converted ships used as a transport.
The long inner flap with the loops that you ay you do not know what they are for: they are for adjusting the length/depth of the haversack. The side flap horizontal straps go through those loops and that is how the whole thing straps together. The rings at either side that you said you didn;t know what thye were for.....the clips that would attach to the front of the cartridge belt could be lengthened and attached to those side rings and the haversack could be worn without attaching to the belt. Hope that in clear.
So you could either carry a ton of shit or just a little.
do you have other video like this but with army packs?
He collects marine corp items not army... Find a guy that collects army stuff.....
+Duane Coleman this channel makes video from many collectors and reenactors I’m aware the guy in this particular video only collects USMC. 7 months ago I asked for this hopping for an answer of the channel owner since then I already checked the channel and saw there was no videos about this topic so... no need for your not adding anything to the discussion
waffmann I'm pretty sure they have an army video for field equipment on the channel
The AP 19 Stencil probably was the troop transport his unit rode on for the invasion.
Maybe add ww1 to the titles of USMC videos that have at least one ww1 item as well.
I love name stencils on my gear!
what about m1944 and m1945 packs/haversacks u dont see them often but do exist usmc marked and ww2 dated.
High degree of battle rattle.
The term m44 I believe is just a collectors term
It real name would
Pack, canvas, field 782 modified
Using the word modified as that's what it was it was a modified version
AP - 19 could be SS President Adams, which landed Marines at Bougainville in 1943. SS President Adams was designated "AP-38" up until February of 1943, at which time she was re-designated "APA-19". Easy enough to leave off the second "A" if everyone was used to "AP".
From Wikipedia:
USS President Adams (AP-38/APA-19) was a President Jackson-class attack transport of the United States Navy, named for Founding Father John Adams and his son, John Quincy Adams, the second and sixth Presidents of the United States.
Organized resistance on Guadalcanal ceased on 9 February 1943, but the Solomon Islands campaign was not over. President Adams, redesignated APA-19 (effective 1 February) continued to carry men and equipment to and from embattled islands of the south Pacific, escaping serious damage from numerous Japanese air attacks. During March and April she trained assault troops in New Zealand, then transported men and materiel from there, and from Australia, to Guadalcanal, whence she steamed with United States Army forces for Rendova. Landing those troops on 30 June, she took on survivors from McCawley on 1 July, and sailed to Nouméa.
From New Caledonia, President Adams returned to New Zealand, underwent an abbreviated overhaul, then resumed transporting men and equipment to the Solomon Islands and training assault troops for amphibious operations, this time for the Bougainville campaign. On 1 November, after bombarding the beaches at Torokina Point, she landed the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marines, at Empress Augusta Bay.
I have something close to this can someone help me identify it?
Equipment then was so basic. Now a days, our boys are carrying tons of gear!
Less back injuries then I'm sure
Thanks for the great info!
some those for the haft pup tent pole rain over cote set wool long jons
the m1910/28 haversack is such a dumb design. first it was designed, in full marching order with the pack tail, so the soldier couldnt sit down because the designer though being able to sit normally would make soldiers become slackers and not want to get back up after a break during marching lol. and its designed to be packed a certain way with no provision for other stuff. and if you dont have it rigged correctly your stuff can just drop out of the bottom if you dont have the pack tail attached.
you can rig it for wear without the belt, thats what the small D rings are for on the bottom flap. you snap the carbine hooks on the front straps to it after threading the D rings through some of the holes for the pack tail strap. but its awkward and uncomfortable. especially is its not full. all the loops on the bottom flap are for threading the side straps through to help keep it closed and prevent stuff from falling out of the bottom.
great video!
The last one is the one i found in the back room
AP-19 could stand for the transport USS Catlin.....
i got a full "set" i gave a drunk 3 bucks for it today and couldn't figure out how it went together so i found this video
Can you tell me what backpack is this? ebay listing #174271528741
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dang get some Kleenex
Invest in a mic
That is the WORST blanket roll I have ever seen!
Me gusta, es mejor el buttpack.
I like, is best the buttpack.