Is it just me or do a lot of new sects of Christianity start out with speaking in tongues and then just dropping it later? We're on the pentecostals now...or at least one subsect of them
The Shakers achieved their greatest number of members after the Civil War. There were many orphaned children with no organization capable of handling the numbers. The Shakers took them all in and though many left, many still remained.
I met Brother Arnold many years ago. He was so kind a spirit. My family has links to the Sabbath Day Lake Community and they raised us with some of their ideas. When I got to ask a friend of my dad's who was raised there (she was an economic orphan in the 30's) about how children were disciplined she said there was no need. She said the Shakers were all so kind and gentle that the kids could not imagine doing anything to upset them.
My wife and I enjoy visiting the Shaker museum in Canterbury, NH. For years, the history docents giving tours would give excellent historical descriptions of the Shakers, but the approach tended to be along the lines of, "Man these people were crazy, right?" Then one year we got someone who took a more emic perspective and it changed our whole view of them. No, we won't be converting any time soon but we could better sympathize with their worldview and why they lived like they did. For instance he quoted a Shaker response to a local's question about why there were no tombstones in the Shaker cemetery; the answer was that tombstones were (in Shaker eyes) icons, attempts at immortality, while God knows where each of us is at all times. He doesn't need a tombstone to find us (according to the Shakers). The Canterbury, NH community apparently spent much of the 19th century fairly consistently near the 1,000 population mark, and one of their "recruiting" methods was accepting orphans or even kids from local farming families whom the families couldn't afford to support -- sometimes just seasonally. Kids whom the Shakers raised were taught a trade, and had the opportunity when they turned 18 to either remain with the community or leave -- taking their trade and ability to make a living with them if they went. (Local communities really appreciated this aspect.) The local farmers sent their kids to the Shaker school which was 1. excellent quality, and 2. did not try to convert the kids. The Shakers also kept up on technology (they were not Amish, we were reminded), and for instance were able to afford to send some of their own to become licensed dentists complete with the latest equipment -- which services they made available to the local farming community. As I think you mentioned, they also started some of their own businesses, with proceeds going back to the community. Finally, and for me most interestingly, when the dwindling community came to the realization in 1957 that the Canterbury cell was dying -- the creation of state orphanages around the turn of the century put a big dent in their "recruiting" -- they reached out to the local NH artist community to train local artists and artisans in Shaker crafts (baskets, furniture, weaving, wood working, etc.) so that these Shaker styles would not die out with the community ,and in fact each year there is a Shaker crafts festival held nearby in Canterbury of the descendants of those artists who continue the Shaker methods and styles. If you buy something in the Canterbury, NH Shaker museum gift shop, it was likely made by one of these non-Shaker artists. They also structured the museum in terms of what was accessible and the finances to ensure the care of the dwindling number of Shakers, so that they could live out their lives on the Canterbury Shaker campus as they had before the changes of 1957. The last one passed away in the 1990s, and had her own apartment in the living quarters that was off-limits to museum visitors -- but she lived out her life well-taken care of.
There is a Lebanon, Missouri. Originally named Wyota, after a native tribe, the name was changed in the mid-1800s, at the request of a local minister who wanted to honor his hometown in Tennessee.
Also a Fun Fact is that Aaron Copeland used the tune to score choreographer Martha Graham's 1944 ballet Appalachian Spring. This made the song more popular!
The shakers made great furniture and architecture. Let's not forget their contribution to fashion, the Shaker cloak, and their religious music is pretty times. "When true simplicity is gained, to bow and to bend we shan't be ashamed". A lot of their message was spot on. The main problem is celebacy and being isolated in rural communes. That usually leads to power struggles. I visited the last remaining Quaker community in Sabbathday Lake Maine back in the 70s. The few Remaining members were mostly elderly, but completely committed to their faith and lifestyle. I admired their dedication. They were holding on to the end, believing that there movement would flourish again.
I’m a furniture builder (and general woodworker) from New England. When I was in college getting a degree in sculpture we studied a loooooot of examples of shaker furniture as gold standards of simple but elegant and effective furniture design and woodworking practice. They have an incredibly influential legacy because they were a large influence on modern design movements like Danish modern, MCM, Bauhaus, etc. Pick a random piece of furniture in your living space from the last 80 years and odds are you can trace at least some of the roots of its design and construction back to the shakers. I cannot overstate how much we should be thankful to them for indirectly influencing the form and construction of spaces we inhabit every day.
As a grad student in religious studies at Indiana University in the mid 1980s, I worked closely with Steven Stein as he researched the Shakers. I transcribed microfiche copies of hand written vision diaries and catalogued business letters between the Shakers and "worldly" business associates. In 1995 I visited with a friend who lived on the old Shaker settlement in New Lebanon, NY. The community then housed a new spiritual community (associated with the Sufi Order of the West). I spent the night in a room in the old meeting house, ate in the dining hall where, a century or more earlier, Shakers had eaten. I recall the double staircase where men and women would use separate but mirror image sets of stairs to get to the second floor of the building.
I’m always interested in doomsday/imminent second coming type Christian theology. It’s everywhere. People have been saying we’re in the “end times” for as long as I’ve been alive. Yet things keep going and people still say it.
It's been considered 'right around the corner' ever since christianity became a thing. Kinda baked in. I mean, according to at least one of the gospels Jesus promised his disciples they'd see it happen, and soon.
The end times were 2,000 years ago, with Nero as the Antichrist, then we entered the new age (dark ages) where Jesus' followers took over the world, as he predicted, and now the millennial kingdom is over, Christ has returned to finally judge the world, he had his armageddon 80 years ago, and now he is about to hand over the kingdom to God, which will happen in the next 100 years approximately. At least that's a new age inspired preterist take on the Christian escatology. There are as many possible interpretations as there are people.
@@AnotherCraigOne way to look at it is that Jesus did return during their lifetimes, and it is even recorded in the new testament canon, where Jesus must go in order to send the holy spirit, and it is said that Jesus became a life-giving spirit, so Jesus returned as the holy spirit at pentecost, so the holy Roman empire was Christ's kingdom on Earth.
@@Michael-Archonaeus How could Rome be god's empire on Earth if most of the emperors were terrible people and none of them became christian until the year 250?
I visited a Shaker commune in Kentucky back in the early 2000’s. I had no idea their beliefs were this divergent. They didn’t really reveal that. Interesting
After the war we had some first very bitter years in Germany. All big cities were destroyed, fuel was scarce, food as well and we had the coldest winters of the century. The shakers started to send food packages for the starving people in Germany, called "care packages". For us German it seemed as if angels opened the heaven, we knew how guilty we were, and that we didn't deserved any help.
I see no one would reply to your comment with a ten foot pole. Personally, it evokes skepticism because of extremeness of perspective. I make it a point to read everything I can on the subject and this is unique, especially on a well done channel with Jewish undertones. Additionally, I wonder about the care packages from the 70s (and 1968 in your name) when, during advertisement, would have that cupped hand symbol. In the end, I'm happy to see such a positive statement and view. I must say that the Journal from a U boat commander had a letter from his loved one which was more affecting that King's letter from Birmingham jail.
I live in the area where the shakers settled down. My high school was even named after them. I still never learned nothing about them until now thank you for always teaching something new
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I grew up in Latham, NY and went to the Shaker Site all the time. My mom was on their board for a bit. So many stories of ghosts and haunted objects in the archives, rocking chairs moving by themselves in the attic. One of my mom’s history students did an internship there cataloging their artifacts. One night, she was handling a doll and placed it away in storage. She was the only one there that night. The next morning, she pulls up to the site and the doll was sitting on the front steps 😅
I spent 3 years living at the Mount Lebanon village as it's been a boarding school since the 1930s. The Central Ministry building is now the main class building. Being a teenager, it's easy to forget you're living in a museum but videos like this help put it into perspective. It's surreal to see all these buildings again, hear the names (which now name the buildings) and hear about the Shaker beliefs and customs again. Some of which were selectively integrated into daily life on campus. To say the slogan "Hands to work, hearts to God" was stated often is putting it lightly. Funny enough, the use of these old buildings for religious purposes actually survives the Shakers as right next to the school is now The Abode of the Message, a Sufi retreat and study center.
I’m from Maine and I have been to the last active Shaker village. I remember being surprised at the quality of the homemade furniture. Of course I kept my surprise to a respectful degree, as the village was still an active religious site
Actually the well known tune "Simple Gifts" sometimes called "Lord of the Dance" memorialized in Aaron Copland's ballet "Appalachian Spring" was originally a Shaker hymn and (It's probably also in the latter part of the video) Shaker furniture design -known for its sturdiness and functionality.
And they pass out from exhaustion. I think we should bring this back as a medical treatment, if someone's ADHD is getting too wild, just send them for a night with the shakers!😂
5:04 whirling with rapidity to dance along with the shaking uncontrollably and fainting spells reminds me of myself when I get too happy and excited about something, but for me the cause is just several very common but not particularly harmful specific medical diagnosis causes and that spinning in circles when I dance just feels so incredibly physically good and lets out the energy of the happiness I’m feeling in a tangible way that doesn’t usually bother any of the other people I might be near at the time, dancing and spinning is like everything that is my skin and outer body is compressed into the spinning to the central line from where I turn from floor to ceiling and makes the whole world look like streaks of light, I also really like mary go rounds and swings for the same compressive force centrifugal motion feeling.
I’m a fine furniture builder (and general woodworker) from New England. When I was in college getting a degree in sculpture we studied a loooooot of examples of shaker furniture as gold standards of simple but elegant and effective furniture design and woodworking practice. They have an incredibly influential legacy because they were a large influence on modern design movements like Danish modern, MCM, Bauhaus, etc. Pick a random piece of furniture in your living space from the last 80 years and odds are you can trace at least some of the roots of its design and construction back to the shakers. I cannot overstate how much we should be thankful to them for indirectly influencing the form and construction of spaces we inhabit every day.
What??? This was an amazing video. This is why I freaking love your channel. I have NEVER even heard of this. I would LOVE to visit these museums if I ever get the chance... What a wild micro journey into the history of this largely unknown religious sect... I truly appreciate this, I had a really bad day lol... You are an absolute gift to the world... Thank you so much...
13:50 That's exactly what happened to Christianity, generally. The first Christians held to various theologies, their belief in Jesus as the "Christ" ("Anointed One"), "Messiah," etc, sent by God, being the common denominator. After Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, one faction, which promoted the "orthodox," "conventional" Christianity, we know today, suppressed competing views, and discarded many Scriptures, at the Council of Nicaea, which threatened their control of the hearts & minds of the followers of Jesus.
I attended an indigenous event with oyster bay first nation on Vancouver island canada. Their mission contact was shaker and has largely remained a community faith still practiced in some form including an ascetic abstinence from alcohol.
I live in Massachusetts not far from the Hancock Shaker Village, it is a beautiful historical museum. Thanks for making this video and providing a greater amount of insight into this sect.
A shaker community in Ohio now known as Shaker Heights. I think not far from Cleveland, Ohio. Interestingly I read when they looked at what was found in the community were empty containers of alcohol. Apparently some shakers were into more than just shaking but also drinking as well.
I had the pleasure of meeting Brother Arnold in the winter of 2020. I had acquired a Walking (Great) Wheel which had documentation and attributed to a shaker, Allen Bangs, of the Sabbath DAY Lake Community. I no longer had the space for the wheel, and reached out to see if I could donate the wheel. My wife and I got to return the wheel to where it was made over 200 years ago, and got to visit the shaker village.
I went to a shaker museum in Kentucky as a kid - Pleasant Hill. What struck me the most was the extrememe separation of the sexes- they even had separate doors and staircses!
I think the process of routinization (in many religious movements) can be described as a group of believers turning to each other and saying “ok, so the world didn’t end. Now what?”
Among other challenges. (Running out of money, dwindling membership, getting in legal trouble, ect.) Eventually a cult either has to normalize in order to expand, or tighten their control to keep people in.
@ReligionForBreakfast they sound very similar to the Koreshan community in Southwest Florida, a celibate commune that lasted until the 1980s tangentially related to the Mormons. I don't know that there's too much information about them since they were pretty low-key and recent, but they did have some small local impact in the area around where they settled and the commune has been turned into a public park.
Interesting. Seems its founder Cyrus Teed was only a distant relative to Joseph Smith, so there's no real Mormon connection. It also does not seem to be a Christian-derived religion per se. Definitely deserves a video though.
Ily 🫶🏾 Andrew. Keep making these videos. I’m an Ohioan, and these people are my neighbors; and I knew nothing of Mother Ann. I’ll keep the rest of my comments in my brain. God bless the United States of America. It’s July 4th when I watched this 😊
Hearing how the Shakers discouraged marriage reminded me of Paul's words to Timothy: "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They FORBID PEOPLE TO MARRY and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth" (1 Timothy 4: 1-3, NIV, emphasis mine).
Have you considered covering the Rātana Faith? (Te Haahi Rātana or the Morehu?) This year is their 100th anniversary of the World Tour when the charismatic, Prophet Rātana travelled around the world to heal it from the damage caused by ww1 and the influenza as well as to advocate in Britain and before the League of Nations at Geneva for the sovereignty of the Māori people. Kereama Pene one of the current leaders (there is no overall leader at the moment while grieving is being observe for the former leader who passed this year) is travelling the world in his footsteps to mark the anniversary. It is one of the many Māori Prophetic movements, and the one with the biggest mark on New Zealand today. It has elements you could apply these theories and lens on while also containing many unique aspects or aspects brought from it's Māori as well as Protestant and Catholic foundations. There are scholars such as Ruia and Keith Newman, Hirini Kaa and others who have published or teach about this and the Church itself is thriving and is a source of information. I believe Rātana would fit in well with the other groups covered in your videos while being unique enough to not be covering the same ground.
“Sister June & Brother Arnold” rebuilding a colourful American religion, would be the perfect premise for an 80s sitcom. Catchy theme song & supporting cast of local residents & prospective new members, maybe with occasional cameo voiced off stage from Ann? Merchandise might be tricky, kids pjs or a plushy toy based off that unflattering engraving might be a tough to break into Xmas market
I have always been interested in the Shakers as I'm from the Dayton area and no one talks about them! They have wonderful furniture. Interestingly enough, Sen. Rob Portman from my state, Ohio co-wrote a book on them.
Imagine having a whole group of people think you are a goddess, only to have history mostly forget you save for one picture of you and the picture is...that one.
I lived in a shaker village, New Lebanon New York, which is now a bordering school. We learned that they not only saw women as equals also black people and would accept any race. Hands to work and heart to god was a well known idea they expressed. Simple gifts is one of their most well known hymns and even in many Protestant hymn books. A shaker woman invented the circular saw. Dehydrated milk was their invention. The flat broom and the cloths pin. They were the first to sell seeds in small paper envelopes as is still popular today. They built the largest stone barn in North America.
There's definitely a spiritual component to the Constitution and early foundation documents. And like a religion it takes credit for existing ideas like natural law.
I wonder what the difference was between the Shakers' ecstatic practices and speaking in tongues; there was one comparison mentioned in the video, but what distinguishes one from the other?
I just came to the realization that Shaker Heights, Ohio (near my hometown) was named after the Shakers religious group. My hometown was founded by the Quakers, and our school mascot was a giant Quaker dude's head.
I just drove by the Shaker Museum off i90 near us20. They are other type things around here around I88. This is all in New York from Albany to Binghamton.
A friend of mine is a caretaker of two of the remaining Shaker houses from the Harvard, Massachusetts village. They are maintained in original condition and are very austere, beautiful, and surprisingly large. A road named after Ann Lee still runs through the village.
A bit, but not much. Quakers had a reputation for being honest and hardworking and a non-Quaker used one as a mascot for his oats to give them those vibes.
Nice to see a video about the Shakers. I was surprised that it lasted as long as it did! I thought it died out back in the mid-19th Century. All in all, a very interesting group!
Bury Football Club we’re nicknamed the Shakers due to the origins of the movement. Lots of history going on with that football club at the moment. But at the time Bury was not part of Manchester. It was in Lancashire.
Can we get a video/short on Terryology? I’ve been talking to my boss about TH for a couple months now, and I believe I have him pinned as an Alchemist of some kind. Though all of this information was given to him by an angel.
I am, and come from a long line of shaking quakers, descent from one of the original, Ruthmore lineage. There’s a few….. misconceptions and a couple myths here. Right off the bat, we don’t shake or quake in ecstasy during worship. The Jericho congregations perform a relatively still (all standing in one place) recitation of the Remembrance and Testification of the Fulfilled. It is a unique worship that recites both the independent, third party, and the church testimonies of the Mothers truth, as well as a sort of proprietary Nicene Creed that utilizes distinct half sung/half yelled voices, together in a 2-4 part harmony, coupled with rising and falling voices that accent physical movements (stomp, clap, uplifted hands, etc) Its result is the shakikg of the earth, or shaking of the building, often to the point; that like the name Jericho Implies, it must be toned down or our faithful testimony brings down the house lol Not two… lol Two hundred.
They remind me of bhakti yoga, which also involves ecstatic devotions, often with song and dance and sometimes trembling. I view bhakti yoga as a lunar discipline, because it is directed towards an external deity (reflecting the light of the Other), involves irrational emotions which are associated with the moon (e.g. lunacy), and alternates between phases of agonized separation from the divine Beloved and phases of blissful union. Many bhāktas revere deities similar to Jesus, who are saguṇa brahman - formless Reality seen from within Māyā, through a mythological filter and given symbolic attributes that the subconscious can internalize. Celibate bhāktas sublimate sexual energy by directing it towards the divine, rather than towards a human partner. By contrast, the introversive Self-knowledge of jñāna yoga is viewed as solar, involving the inner light of consciousness.
i find some of the similarities with hasidism, which i think would have been gaining critical mass sometime between when ann lee was born and when she joined the shaking quakers, quite interesting, if a bit superficial (the shaking, the emphasis on divine communion through passionate prayer and charisma, the avowal and exaltation of the divine feminine, etc.). if it is often suggested that hasidism's explosion was the natural complement to haskalah's emergence, then the "what" in the water similarly animating the great awakening despite the waters separating them [the Atlantic i mean, lol] that i would suppose to be suggested must go by the Enlightenment? on the other hand, feels mighty reductive, and reasoning by analogy is no substitute for, yknow, actual research. -- if anyone knows of any texts that do a good job analyzing the conditions and contexts which possibilized [only the reeal rats de la bibliotheque know when words that "aren't real" are secret cabals' shibboleths and passwords. aww yeah academia is cool bébé 8) ] motivated or even could possibly be said to not be impossible to have had a non-null influence on shifting the odds if only ever so slightly in favour of not preventing what the records record has come to pass from coming to (be-recorded-)pass(ing) ("cause" is a curse word! i didn't just say it!!), especially if reference to vectors-flows of transatlantic information transmission - cool ! hypomania 8)
I wish videos like this wouldn’t speak about Shakerism only in the past tense mentioning the last remaining community as a footnote. Brother Arnold produces a good amount of writing and online video content, so it’s not like it’s hard to research their contemporary practice and theology. Also saying there are only two discounts that at least prior to the pandemic they had a small robust lay congregation of non-members who participated fully in worship.
A Shaker Hymn 'Tis a gift to be simple, 'Tis a gift to be free. 'Tis a gift to come down where we ought to be. And when we find ourselves in the place just right 'Twill be in the valley of love and delight. When true simplicity is gained, to bow and to bend we will not be ashamed, to turn, turn will be our delight, Til by turning, turning we come out right
Commenting for the algorithm: at 9:25 there is a picture of people dancing. While all the women more or less look similar, there are, to me, 6 men in the foreground that stand out. I was wondering what was the context of this picture.
Mormonism: at one time also exciting (given the times of its founding), with charismatic and controversial leader. Fast forward against 200 years later and you won’t hear of current visions and revelations. An all male priesthood leads the way. Obedience to authority is the first principle.
It strikes me as incredibly sad when true human feeling (singing, dancing, art) is pulled into bureaucracy and rule-making. Regardless of if you believe in the theology, these people were FEELING and had found an outlet for it!
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Can you explain the movers next?
Who knew ❤
The most important question is: what were their view on oats? 😋
Is it just me or do a lot of new sects of Christianity start out with speaking in tongues and then just dropping it later? We're on the pentecostals now...or at least one subsect of them
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The Shakers achieved their greatest number of members after the Civil War. There were many orphaned children with no organization capable of handling the numbers. The Shakers took them all in and though many left, many still remained.
Yes, and a few years later states passed laws preventing religious .groups from adopting orphans..
I did not know that. Very interesting! Tfs
You see?? Women can be crazy cult leaders too! You go girl! So inspiring!
Yep
It genuinely is inspiring. I also like how god to them was both male and female.
She trule gaslit, gatekept, and girlbossed
so girlboss of her! what a queen(of heaven)!
The Acolyte: The power of one, the power of two, the power of many...
(Is this why he chose to cover this at this point in time?)
I met Brother Arnold many years ago. He was so kind a spirit. My family has links to the Sabbath Day Lake Community and they raised us with some of their ideas. When I got to ask a friend of my dad's who was raised there (she was an economic orphan in the 30's) about how children were disciplined she said there was no need. She said the Shakers were all so kind and gentle that the kids could not imagine doing anything to upset them.
She lied lol. Children will definitely take advantage of kindness
@@MarkelMathurinchildren mirror us
My wife and I enjoy visiting the Shaker museum in Canterbury, NH. For years, the history docents giving tours would give excellent historical descriptions of the Shakers, but the approach tended to be along the lines of, "Man these people were crazy, right?" Then one year we got someone who took a more emic perspective and it changed our whole view of them. No, we won't be converting any time soon but we could better sympathize with their worldview and why they lived like they did. For instance he quoted a Shaker response to a local's question about why there were no tombstones in the Shaker cemetery; the answer was that tombstones were (in Shaker eyes) icons, attempts at immortality, while God knows where each of us is at all times. He doesn't need a tombstone to find us (according to the Shakers).
The Canterbury, NH community apparently spent much of the 19th century fairly consistently near the 1,000 population mark, and one of their "recruiting" methods was accepting orphans or even kids from local farming families whom the families couldn't afford to support -- sometimes just seasonally. Kids whom the Shakers raised were taught a trade, and had the opportunity when they turned 18 to either remain with the community or leave -- taking their trade and ability to make a living with them if they went. (Local communities really appreciated this aspect.) The local farmers sent their kids to the Shaker school which was 1. excellent quality, and 2. did not try to convert the kids.
The Shakers also kept up on technology (they were not Amish, we were reminded), and for instance were able to afford to send some of their own to become licensed dentists complete with the latest equipment -- which services they made available to the local farming community. As I think you mentioned, they also started some of their own businesses, with proceeds going back to the community.
Finally, and for me most interestingly, when the dwindling community came to the realization in 1957 that the Canterbury cell was dying -- the creation of state orphanages around the turn of the century put a big dent in their "recruiting" -- they reached out to the local NH artist community to train local artists and artisans in Shaker crafts (baskets, furniture, weaving, wood working, etc.) so that these Shaker styles would not die out with the community ,and in fact each year there is a Shaker crafts festival held nearby in Canterbury of the descendants of those artists who continue the Shaker methods and styles. If you buy something in the Canterbury, NH Shaker museum gift shop, it was likely made by one of these non-Shaker artists. They also structured the museum in terms of what was accessible and the finances to ensure the care of the dwindling number of Shakers, so that they could live out their lives on the Canterbury Shaker campus as they had before the changes of 1957. The last one passed away in the 1990s, and had her own apartment in the living quarters that was off-limits to museum visitors -- but she lived out her life well-taken care of.
All I care is the freak cult says no banging and that’s more than enough to guarantee I am absolutely not interested!
Really interesting! Thank you for writing
There is a field in Canterbury, NH with stone wall around it and a single large tombstone that says "Shakers"
It seems like such a community based religion that I can’t imagine being the last one…
went there in 4th grade (9/10 years old) for a school field trip, it was fun and educational. it's worth a visit :)
I'm from Lebanon the country, seems like the Shakers headquarters is in Lebanon NY. Turns out wherever there's a Lebanon, things are always shaky!
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Heh. Well observed...
There is a Lebanon, Missouri. Originally named Wyota, after a native tribe, the name was changed in the mid-1800s, at the request of a local minister who wanted to honor his hometown in Tennessee.
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Especially ammonium nitrate stability .
Fun fact, the US-American folk song "Simple Gifts" or "Tis a Gift to Be Simple" started as a Shaker hymn, written in 1858!
Also a Fun Fact is that Aaron Copeland used the tune to score choreographer Martha Graham's 1944 ballet Appalachian Spring. This made the song more popular!
The shakers made great furniture and architecture. Let's not forget their contribution to fashion, the Shaker cloak, and their religious music is pretty times. "When true simplicity is gained, to bow and to bend we shan't be ashamed". A lot of their message was spot on. The main problem is celebacy and being isolated in rural communes. That usually leads to power struggles. I visited the last remaining Quaker community in Sabbathday Lake Maine back in the 70s. The few Remaining members were mostly elderly, but completely committed to their faith and lifestyle. I admired their dedication. They were holding on to the end, believing that there movement would flourish again.
The Quakers are a different sect, otherwise great comment.
I’m a furniture builder (and general woodworker) from New England. When I was in college getting a degree in sculpture we studied a loooooot of examples of shaker furniture as gold standards of simple but elegant and effective furniture design and woodworking practice. They have an incredibly influential legacy because they were a large influence on modern design movements like Danish modern, MCM, Bauhaus, etc.
Pick a random piece of furniture in your living space from the last 80 years and odds are you can trace at least some of the roots of its design and construction back to the shakers. I cannot overstate how much we should be thankful to them for indirectly influencing the form and construction of spaces we inhabit every day.
Odd that they were able to carve wood so well even if they shaked so much
I used to make Windsor furniture.
...oops, I meant 7:20
I was in the retail furniture business for many years and completely agree with your assessment.
I really like that song Simple Gifts. I guess the Shakers had their use.
As a grad student in religious studies at Indiana University in the mid 1980s, I worked closely with Steven Stein as he researched the Shakers. I transcribed microfiche copies of hand written vision diaries and catalogued business letters between the Shakers and "worldly" business associates. In 1995 I visited with a friend who lived on the old Shaker settlement in New Lebanon, NY. The community then housed a new spiritual community (associated with the Sufi Order of the West). I spent the night in a room in the old meeting house, ate in the dining hall where, a century or more earlier, Shakers had eaten. I recall the double staircase where men and women would use separate but mirror image sets of stairs to get to the second floor of the building.
What an amazing experience that must have been!
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@@willfungusman8666 No actually I do, so go shout at the sky instead.
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Well, that was RUDE!
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I’m always interested in doomsday/imminent second coming type Christian theology. It’s everywhere. People have been saying we’re in the “end times” for as long as I’ve been alive. Yet things keep going and people still say it.
It's been considered 'right around the corner' ever since christianity became a thing. Kinda baked in.
I mean, according to at least one of the gospels Jesus promised his disciples they'd see it happen, and soon.
waiting for godot
The end times were 2,000 years ago, with Nero as the Antichrist, then we entered the new age (dark ages) where Jesus' followers took over the world, as he predicted, and now the millennial kingdom is over, Christ has returned to finally judge the world, he had his armageddon 80 years ago, and now he is about to hand over the kingdom to God, which will happen in the next 100 years approximately.
At least that's a new age inspired preterist take on the Christian escatology.
There are as many possible interpretations as there are people.
@@AnotherCraigOne way to look at it is that Jesus did return during their lifetimes, and it is even recorded in the new testament canon, where Jesus must go in order to send the holy spirit, and it is said that Jesus became a life-giving spirit, so Jesus returned as the holy spirit at pentecost, so the holy Roman empire was Christ's kingdom on Earth.
@@Michael-Archonaeus How could Rome be god's empire on Earth if most of the emperors were terrible people and none of them became christian until the year 250?
I visited a Shaker commune in Kentucky back in the early 2000’s. I had no idea their beliefs were this divergent. They didn’t really reveal that. Interesting
Honestly I can’t believe any shakers nowadays really believe that stuff, they’re definitely selling something
After the war we had some first very bitter years in Germany. All big cities were destroyed, fuel was scarce, food as well and we had the coldest winters of the century.
The shakers started to send food packages for the starving people in Germany, called "care packages". For us German it seemed as if angels opened the heaven, we knew how guilty we were, and that we didn't deserved any help.
I see no one would reply to your comment with a ten foot pole. Personally, it evokes skepticism because of extremeness of perspective. I make it a point to read everything I can on the subject and this is unique, especially on a well done channel with Jewish undertones. Additionally, I wonder about the care packages from the 70s (and 1968 in your name) when, during advertisement, would have that cupped hand symbol. In the end, I'm happy to see such a positive statement and view.
I must say that the Journal from a U boat commander had a letter from his loved one which was more affecting that King's letter from Birmingham jail.
I live in the area where the shakers settled down. My high school was even named after them. I still never learned nothing about them until now thank you for always teaching something new
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nicki minaj talked about this once
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I think you mean "twerkers" not "shakers"
@@sumuraikuithuhotu3819 “But he was gettin' money with the movers and the shakers
He was mixed with a couple things, ball like a couple rings
Bricks in the condo and grams to Sing Sing” - highschool by nicki minaj
@@sumuraikuithuhotu3819 😆😂🤣🤪
Absolute gold
I grew up in Latham, NY and went to the Shaker Site all the time. My mom was on their board for a bit. So many stories of ghosts and haunted objects in the archives, rocking chairs moving by themselves in the attic. One of my mom’s history students did an internship there cataloging their artifacts. One night, she was handling a doll and placed it away in storage. She was the only one there that night. The next morning, she pulls up to the site and the doll was sitting on the front steps 😅
I spent 3 years living at the Mount Lebanon village as it's been a boarding school since the 1930s. The Central Ministry building is now the main class building. Being a teenager, it's easy to forget you're living in a museum but videos like this help put it into perspective. It's surreal to see all these buildings again, hear the names (which now name the buildings) and hear about the Shaker beliefs and customs again. Some of which were selectively integrated into daily life on campus. To say the slogan "Hands to work, hearts to God" was stated often is putting it lightly.
Funny enough, the use of these old buildings for religious purposes actually survives the Shakers as right next to the school is now The Abode of the Message, a Sufi retreat and study center.
At 9:30 I see the Shakers invented the Thriller Dance move.
I’m from Maine and I have been to the last active Shaker village. I remember being surprised at the quality of the homemade furniture. Of course I kept my surprise to a respectful degree, as the village was still an active religious site
And yet open to tourism.
I’ve heard of the Movers but Shakers is news to me. Quaking in my boots at the thought of progress😭
You just hab to don't you
@@miguelatkinson oh if I don’t have lame comments I’m nothing😭😭😂
You should make a video about West African Vodun or traditional Yoruba religion
Actually the well known tune "Simple Gifts" sometimes called "Lord of the Dance" memorialized in Aaron Copland's ballet "Appalachian Spring" was originally a Shaker hymn and (It's probably also in the latter part of the video) Shaker furniture design -known for its sturdiness and functionality.
I imagine their heads shaking so much until they blur, like the scene in Jacob's Ladder.
And they pass out from exhaustion.
I think we should bring this back as a medical treatment, if someone's ADHD is getting too wild, just send them for a night with the shakers!😂
5:04 whirling with rapidity to dance along with the shaking uncontrollably and fainting spells reminds me of myself when I get too happy and excited about something, but for me the cause is just several very common but not particularly harmful specific medical diagnosis causes and that spinning in circles when I dance just feels so incredibly physically good and lets out the energy of the happiness I’m feeling in a tangible way that doesn’t usually bother any of the other people I might be near at the time, dancing and spinning is like everything that is my skin and outer body is compressed into the spinning to the central line from where I turn from floor to ceiling and makes the whole world look like streaks of light, I also really like mary go rounds and swings for the same compressive force centrifugal motion feeling.
2 Shakers used to come to my church in the mid 70’s, usually sitting right behind me. I was a kid.
I’m a fine furniture builder (and general woodworker) from New England. When I was in college getting a degree in sculpture we studied a loooooot of examples of shaker furniture as gold standards of simple but elegant and effective furniture design and woodworking practice. They have an incredibly influential legacy because they were a large influence on modern design movements like Danish modern, MCM, Bauhaus, etc.
Pick a random piece of furniture in your living space from the last 80 years and odds are you can trace at least some of the roots of its design and construction back to the shakers. I cannot overstate how much we should be thankful to them for indirectly influencing the form and construction of spaces we inhabit every day.
What??? This was an amazing video. This is why I freaking love your channel. I have NEVER even heard of this. I would LOVE to visit these museums if I ever get the chance... What a wild micro journey into the history of this largely unknown religious sect... I truly appreciate this, I had a really bad day lol... You are an absolute gift to the world... Thank you so much...
13:50 That's exactly what happened to Christianity, generally. The first Christians held to various theologies, their belief in Jesus as the "Christ" ("Anointed One"), "Messiah," etc, sent by God, being the common denominator. After Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, one faction, which promoted the "orthodox," "conventional" Christianity, we know today, suppressed competing views, and discarded many Scriptures, at the Council of Nicaea, which threatened their control of the hearts & minds of the followers of Jesus.
I attended an indigenous event with oyster bay first nation on Vancouver island canada. Their mission contact was shaker and has largely remained a community faith still practiced in some form including an ascetic abstinence from alcohol.
I live in Massachusetts not far from the Hancock Shaker Village, it is a beautiful historical museum. Thanks for making this video and providing a greater amount of insight into this sect.
A shaker community in Ohio now known as Shaker Heights. I think not far from Cleveland, Ohio. Interestingly I read when they looked at what was found in the community were empty containers of alcohol. Apparently some shakers were into more than just shaking but also drinking as well.
Thank you for mentioning Shaker Hts.,Ohio! I didn´t know about the alcohol but it was Paul Newman´s home town.
I had the pleasure of meeting Brother Arnold in the winter of 2020. I had acquired a Walking (Great) Wheel which had documentation and attributed to a shaker, Allen Bangs, of the Sabbath DAY Lake Community. I no longer had the space for the wheel, and reached out to see if I could donate the wheel. My wife and I got to return the wheel to where it was made over 200 years ago, and got to visit the shaker village.
Love their distinctive furniture and interior design
I went to the Maine Shaker village some years ago; it was an excellent experience and I'd encourage anyone to go
Man, mother Anne doesn't have a forehead, doesn't have a fivehead, that lady has a sixhead! 😂
Yeah ... I have 5 head.... Female Jesus' head is 8-10... easy🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘SKOL!
they call that the godhead, which she embodied, apparently.
A seven head, the number of ultimate completion.
@@eltediosoWe all embody the godhead, because humans are divine❤️🔥
Makes Rihanna's forehead look small
Watching from Pittsfield, Massachusetts, just a few minutes away from Hancock Shaker Village!
I went to a shaker museum in Kentucky as a kid - Pleasant Hill. What struck me the most was the extrememe separation of the sexes- they even had separate doors and staircses!
The food there is awesome.
Everyone had crazy gender segregation back then; that's not unusual.
@@pseudonymous9153 Except they ARE unusual, because married people did live together in other sects. Shakers did not.
Can you look the historical White Lotus movement fron China?
I think the process of routinization (in many religious movements) can be described as a group of believers turning to each other and saying “ok, so the world didn’t end. Now what?”
Among other challenges. (Running out of money, dwindling membership, getting in legal trouble, ect.) Eventually a cult either has to normalize in order to expand, or tighten their control to keep people in.
@ReligionForBreakfast they sound very similar to the Koreshan community in Southwest Florida, a celibate commune that lasted until the 1980s tangentially related to the Mormons. I don't know that there's too much information about them since they were pretty low-key and recent, but they did have some small local impact in the area around where they settled and the commune has been turned into a public park.
Interesting. Seems its founder Cyrus Teed was only a distant relative to Joseph Smith, so there's no real Mormon connection. It also does not seem to be a Christian-derived religion per se. Definitely deserves a video though.
Ily 🫶🏾 Andrew. Keep making these videos. I’m an Ohioan, and these people are my neighbors; and I knew nothing of Mother Ann. I’ll keep the rest of my comments in my brain. God bless the United States of America. It’s July 4th when I watched this 😊
I went to the Shaker school in Canterbury as a young kid.
Hearing how the Shakers discouraged marriage reminded me of Paul's words to Timothy:
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They FORBID PEOPLE TO MARRY and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth" (1 Timothy 4: 1-3, NIV, emphasis mine).
Have you considered covering the Rātana Faith? (Te Haahi Rātana or the Morehu?) This year is their 100th anniversary of the World Tour when the charismatic, Prophet Rātana travelled around the world to heal it from the damage caused by ww1 and the influenza as well as to advocate in Britain and before the League of Nations at Geneva for the sovereignty of the Māori people. Kereama Pene one of the current leaders (there is no overall leader at the moment while grieving is being observe for the former leader who passed this year) is travelling the world in his footsteps to mark the anniversary.
It is one of the many Māori Prophetic movements, and the one with the biggest mark on New Zealand today. It has elements you could apply these theories and lens on while also containing many unique aspects or aspects brought from it's Māori as well as Protestant and Catholic foundations. There are scholars such as Ruia and Keith Newman, Hirini Kaa and others who have published or teach about this and the Church itself is thriving and is a source of information. I believe Rātana would fit in well with the other groups covered in your videos while being unique enough to not be covering the same ground.
Sounds interesting. He should look into it.
“Sister June & Brother Arnold” rebuilding a colourful American religion, would be the perfect premise for an 80s sitcom. Catchy theme song & supporting cast of local residents & prospective new members, maybe with occasional cameo voiced off stage from Ann? Merchandise might be tricky, kids pjs or a plushy toy based off that unflattering engraving might be a tough to break into Xmas market
The forehead on that drawing proves she had the “fullness of the God Head”
Helen Hunt should play her in a movie.....
I grew up in Harvard Mass. near its Shaker village. There is a road named after Ann Lee in town
I have always been interested in the Shakers as I'm from the Dayton area and no one talks about them! They have wonderful furniture. Interestingly enough, Sen. Rob Portman from my state, Ohio co-wrote a book on them.
Imagine having a whole group of people think you are a goddess, only to have history mostly forget you save for one picture of you and the picture is...that one.
Great ep! 😊 i grew up in the Quaker world, but did not know much about Shakers.
Please do video on New Harmony, IN. Thank you.
I lived in a shaker village, New Lebanon New York, which is now a bordering school. We learned that they not only saw women as equals also black people and would accept any race. Hands to work and heart to god was a well known idea they expressed. Simple gifts is one of their most well known hymns and even in many Protestant hymn books. A shaker woman invented the circular saw. Dehydrated milk was their invention. The flat broom and the cloths pin. They were the first to sell seeds in small paper envelopes as is still popular today. They built the largest stone barn in North America.
Americanism is a religion. The statement, "We hold these truths..." is itself a religious confession.
There's definitely a spiritual component to the Constitution and early foundation documents. And like a religion it takes credit for existing ideas like natural law.
America was a freemason creation that now only exists to serve their Israeli masters
What does this have to do with the video?
Cool
Never heard of this group! Thanks for the information!!!
They're quite different to us "regular" Quakers, that's for sure haha
Went to Shaker Village in Kentucky/Ohio a lot when I was young. Didn’t get then but would love to go back as an adult
I wonder what the difference was between the Shakers' ecstatic practices and speaking in tongues; there was one comparison mentioned in the video, but what distinguishes one from the other?
I’ve heard the magnetic pull of historically religious characters as a kind of “world-unwinding charisma” and that description always stuck with me.
Love the topic and your work in general. When you have page citations of specific books, do you think you could include them in the description too?
I just came to the realization that Shaker Heights, Ohio (near my hometown) was named after the Shakers religious group. My hometown was founded by the Quakers, and our school mascot was a giant Quaker dude's head.
I just drove by the Shaker Museum off i90 near us20. They are other type things around here around I88. This is all in New York from Albany to Binghamton.
I just love how everyone is just talking about her gigantic forehead
They still have something called The Gathering in Michigan, I hear
We have a major street here in Lubbock named after the Quakers.
I’ll never see my shaker style kitchen cabinets the same again.
A friend of mine is a caretaker of two of the remaining Shaker houses from the Harvard, Massachusetts village. They are maintained in original condition and are very austere, beautiful, and surprisingly large. A road named after Ann Lee still runs through the village.
"In 1774 an English Woman arrived in New York City..." (Shows drawing if woman in question)
Me: "yep, she's English alright."
Does this hace anything to do with ?
Quaker oats ?
A bit, but not much. Quakers had a reputation for being honest and hardworking and a non-Quaker used one as a mascot for his oats to give them those vibes.
@@AGeekTragedy Oh, cultural appropriation is tight!😂
Weberian concepts are very useful in many areas of human understanding.
So that’s why it’s called shaker furniture !! Thanks dude .
Nice to see a video about the Shakers. I was surprised that it lasted as long as it did! I thought it died out back in the mid-19th Century. All in all, a very interesting group!
Things got more exciting for the Shakers once they teamed up with the Movers.
Bury Football Club we’re nicknamed the Shakers due to the origins of the movement. Lots of history going on with that football club at the moment. But at the time Bury was not part of Manchester. It was in Lancashire.
Staying clear.
Big fan of your work. Would you consider making a video about pagan monotheism, possibly the Hypsistarians or the God-fearers?
Couldn't help but think how much this sounded like theories on the development of very early Christianity.
Can you make a video about the baltic paganism?
Until your headline, I didn't realize that the term 'shakers' was a contraction. Butis does explain a lot.
Can we get a video/short on Terryology? I’ve been talking to my boss about TH for a couple months now, and I believe I have him pinned as an Alchemist of some kind. Though all of this information was given to him by an angel.
We use to sing their songs at church camp.
I am, and come from a long line of shaking quakers, descent from one of the original, Ruthmore lineage.
There’s a few….. misconceptions and a couple myths here.
Right off the bat, we don’t shake or quake in ecstasy during worship.
The Jericho congregations perform a relatively still (all standing in one place) recitation of the Remembrance and Testification of the Fulfilled. It is a unique worship that recites both the independent, third party, and the church testimonies of the Mothers truth, as well as a sort of proprietary Nicene Creed that utilizes distinct half sung/half yelled voices, together in a 2-4 part harmony, coupled with rising and falling voices that accent physical movements (stomp, clap, uplifted hands, etc)
Its result is the shakikg of the earth, or shaking of the building, often to the point; that like the name Jericho Implies, it must be toned down or our faithful testimony brings down the house lol
Not two… lol
Two hundred.
They remind me of bhakti yoga, which also involves ecstatic devotions, often with song and dance and sometimes trembling. I view bhakti yoga as a lunar discipline, because it is directed towards an external deity (reflecting the light of the Other), involves irrational emotions which are associated with the moon (e.g. lunacy), and alternates between phases of agonized separation from the divine Beloved and phases of blissful union. Many bhāktas revere deities similar to Jesus, who are saguṇa brahman - formless Reality seen from within Māyā, through a mythological filter and given symbolic attributes that the subconscious can internalize. Celibate bhāktas sublimate sexual energy by directing it towards the divine, rather than towards a human partner. By contrast, the introversive Self-knowledge of jñāna yoga is viewed as solar, involving the inner light of consciousness.
i find some of the similarities with hasidism, which i think would have been gaining critical mass sometime between when ann lee was born and when she joined the shaking quakers, quite interesting, if a bit superficial (the shaking, the emphasis on divine communion through passionate prayer and charisma, the avowal and exaltation of the divine feminine, etc.). if it is often suggested that hasidism's explosion was the natural complement to haskalah's emergence, then the "what" in the water similarly animating the great awakening despite the waters separating them [the Atlantic i mean, lol] that i would suppose to be suggested must go by the Enlightenment? on the other hand, feels mighty reductive, and reasoning by analogy is no substitute for, yknow, actual research. -- if anyone knows of any texts that do a good job analyzing the conditions and contexts which possibilized [only the reeal rats de la bibliotheque know when words that "aren't real" are secret cabals' shibboleths and passwords. aww yeah academia is cool bébé 8) ] motivated or even could possibly be said to not be impossible to have had a non-null influence on shifting the odds if only ever so slightly in favour of not preventing what the records record has come to pass from coming to (be-recorded-)pass(ing) ("cause" is a curse word! i didn't just say it!!), especially if reference to vectors-flows of transatlantic information transmission - cool ! hypomania 8)
I wish videos like this wouldn’t speak about Shakerism only in the past tense mentioning the last remaining community as a footnote. Brother Arnold produces a good amount of writing and online video content, so it’s not like it’s hard to research their contemporary practice and theology. Also saying there are only two discounts that at least prior to the pandemic they had a small robust lay congregation of non-members who participated fully in worship.
While you're doing vids on Quakers + it's Pride month... how about something on the Public Universal Friend / Society of Universal Friends?
A Shaker Hymn
'Tis a gift to be simple, 'Tis a gift to be free.
'Tis a gift to come down where we ought to be.
And when we find ourselves in the place just right
'Twill be in the valley of love and delight.
When true simplicity is gained,
to bow and to bend we will not be ashamed,
to turn, turn will be our delight,
Til by turning, turning we come out right
"you can do this... youre a mature adult.. comment about something other than her forehead"
*fivehead
Commenting for the algorithm: at 9:25 there is a picture of people dancing. While all the women more or less look similar, there are, to me, 6 men in the foreground that stand out. I was wondering what was the context of this picture.
I just got that quakers meant like they would quake. I associate it so much with oatmeal I forgot the meaning of the word
QUESTION: what is the definition of radical Protestant movement?
Please make a video about the Russian old believers
Early 19th century Shakers doing the Thriller dance at 9:25
Mormonism: at one time also exciting (given the times of its founding), with charismatic and controversial leader. Fast forward against 200 years later and you won’t hear of current visions and revelations. An all male priesthood leads the way. Obedience to authority is the first principle.
Can never understand people who worry about the next life...live this one for cryin out loud.
It strikes me as incredibly sad when true human feeling (singing, dancing, art) is pulled into bureaucracy and rule-making. Regardless of if you believe in the theology, these people were FEELING and had found an outlet for it!
Make a video explaining Jainism please
Let's get a historical satire comedy called Shake n Quake with Elizabeth Moss starring as Ann Lee
Twerking for Jesus! The Shakers: when people speak in tongues with their entire body.
"She had the fullness of the godhead within her." I can believe it, seeing that fivehead.