This is not an Me 262
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- During the Second World War, the German aircraft manufacturer Messerschmitt will several distinguish itself by its numerous creation passing by the Me-109 to the first-ever jet fighter Me-262. However, if these two plane, as revolutionary as they are, look very different, so it is impossible to imagine this chapter of the German military aviation in which these two fighters in which they almost made together only one plane. During 2 month, Messerchmitt's engineers tried to put on the Me-109 the Me-262's jumos-004 jet engines. The main purpose of this crazy merging of these two planes concepts was to reduce the cost of production of the futur jet fighters of the Luftwaffe since the Schwalbe was as efficient as expensive. So it would be very easy and fast to only ''convert'' the numerous Me-109. This very short lived project was the Me-109 TL-2 nicknamed Jumojet.
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Thanks for posting. I've never heard of this incredible aircraft. No wonder the Germans lost the war. There was so much happening at the same time!
So true, there are A LOOOOOOT of German Wunderwaffen projects, but nearly none of these passed the drawing board stage. Maybe if they concentrated themselves on less projects and more realistic, the last year of the conflict could have been impressive.
Hilarious joke ! april's fool day...
Yeah it is funny that they got this idea but it was for real xD.
I heard about this alternative Bf-109TL way back in the mid-1970's when I was in high school, shortly after joining my local IPMS chapter. The club's self-published newsletter/magazine had an article on building this model. Suggested kits were the Hawk 1/72 scale Bf-109, combined with the Revell 1/72 Me-262, and LOTS of filler putty. Though other Bf-109 kits could be used; the more solid fuselage and lack of landing gear on the ancient Hawk kit made it a better candidate for extensive chopping. As an aside, the term, "'Luft '46" had yet to be coined.
In many ways, those were good times to be a model builder. The lack of so much reference materials being a mouse-click away meant that often we only had a fuzzy photo or two, and maybe a rough line-drawing of an unusual subject to work with - more often than not found without specifically looking for them. With little else to go on, all you could do is work with what was available and just build . . . .
This is very interesting to hear how it was back in the 70s since I am born in the 2000 what gives me an idea of how was modeling at this time. Thanks for the share 🙂
Hadn't idea this fighter ever existed! Superb video!
Narration hard to hear over music .
Yes right it is an old video, now it changed, but thanks for the advice :)
Me-109 TL-2 "Jumojet"?
Yes indeed, it is its name.
Why is so much of the historical footage reversed left-right? This can easily be fixed in edit.
Is this something to do with the Nazi swastika being illegal in Germany?
The German aerospace industry was especially ingenious capable of developing world leading jets (He-178, He-280, Me-262, Arado-234, He-162), a point defence rocket fighter (Me-163B), competitive piston engine fighters (Bf-109, FW-190, Ta-152) plus very large aircraft (Me-323, Me-264, Ju-290/390, BV-222, BV-238). Their engineering capabilities were never in doubt and what they managed despite the absence of key metals needed to make specialized alloys (like chromium, nickel, tungsten, tin et. al., which were available to the Allies) was quite remarkable IMHO.
They were unfortunately overseen by the RLM (air ministry) that was hobbled at the top before the war by the insertion of Ernst Udet by Goering to protect his own position. Udet was a great pilot but not an engineer or manager and never wanted the job. As a result the RLM was populated by engineers who failed to cut it in industry and friends of others already there. It was a shambles and was responsible for the wasteful dissipation of limited resources in both airframe and engine development. So here you see Messerschmitt AG wasting engineers and materials on both the Me-262A and a Frankenstein jet built out of bits of other projects, many of which also went nowhere. These were resources diverted from the Me-262A.
As desperation deepened this would be seen again with the Heinkel He-162 'people's fighter' project and while this was a potentially very promising aircraft (Flt. Captain Eric Brown said it flew well for him) the whole idea was to rush poorly trained kids into the cockpit of an aircraft that required a very experienced pilot. It never made sense.
The British Air Ministry was far better organized with 'Resident Technical Officers' in every engine and airframe plant of importance who reported the true state of affairs back to head office. Many promising developments like the 2 stroke Rolls Royce Crecy which promised phenomenal power to weight ratio (and heavy fuel consumption) were cancelled to focus on what was more likely to succeed, like developing improved supercharging for the RR Merlin.
The lack of a German 4 engine bomber could also be traced to the RLM, with Udet insisting the He-177A should be capable of dive bombing. This resulted in much heavy added structural bracing which reduced performance and payload and extreme efforts by Heinkel - like coupled engines - were made to recover these losses, only to become fire-prone nightmares themselves. Goering later refused to allow Heinkel to produce a 4 separate engine version, but he built two in secret to prove his point anyway and they performed really well.
When something similar happened in England with the Avro Manchester and its unreliable twin RR Vulture engines, the Air Ministry suggested Avro to redesign it as a four separate engine version which became the hugely successful Lancaster. Thanks to remarkably poor management at the very top, Germany was denied a similar opportunity.
The RLM was a major part of the Allied victory over Germany IMHO.
Wow, it was fascinating to read all of this, thanks for all the share of knowledge and the time you took to write this.
Concerning the reversed left-right pictures, I do it on purpose the swastikas being one of the reasons. But the main one is that on a previous video, I got an automatic stupid claim because one of the footage was also used in another video and I imagine that UA-cam thought that I took the footage from this video.
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On what grounds did YT object? Was it the result of a copyright holder complaint?
Surely they understand that there are both public domain and privately owned copies of wartime footage available for license?
Where do you source your historical footage, if you don't mind my asking?
I see the same footage is used in many sites - like the dreadful soft, flat footage of the He-178 you see after it's first successful flight. Looks like somebody at Heinkel's 8mm home movies shot off of the projector screen with a 1970s B+W video camera. (Terrible that the first flight of a jet aircraft should be reduced to such an image IMHO).
I've been fascinated by historical aviation since I was a kid in the 60s.
It really bugs me to see the swastika deleted, blurred or otherwise monkeyed about with on historical footage. (No, I am not a neo-Nazi, Holocaust denier etc..). Given what happened there I understand the reasoning by the government of Germany to forbid the use of the swastika but on historical footage especially, this feels to me like a kind of revisionism. I mean - the symbol really had to be displayed on anything that flew in Germany from 1933 to 1945. To tamper with it is to mess about with historical fact IMHO. On top of that, to me the superb US built Me-262 replicas missing it just look visually wrong. The tail looks too big to my eye because the swastika is missing! I can live with the version without the radial lines I guess, but still...
We are gaining quite an exceptional collection of such documentaries on YT with channels like Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles, Military Aviation History, Rex's Hangar and others. Some of these are produced with the authority based upon original archived documentation, ensuring accuracy.
Hope your channel will become another go-to source.
Thanks again for taking on such interesting historical aviation subjects.
Thanks, I'm really flattered to be seen as serious documentary channel like those you have quoted. I am also crazy about airplanes since I was 6 year old. And concerning the swastika, it is logical that Germany forbidden it, but I agree it is strange for the planes to remove it. I took the images on UA-cam, more precisely from Aviation videos archives part2 1935-1950 who is taking these from official sources but UA-cam thought that I stolen another documentary UA-cam channel.
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Well I'm hoping that you aim to become another serious historical aviation channel. This is a start.
There are an awful lot of misconceptions and exaggerations about this subject.
Some of that can be traced back to wartime propaganda (ours as well as theirs).
Some of it is propagated by educated guesses and misunderstandings that became embedded in early books, then repeated in other books that followed. That's why I'm so impressed with the sites that have the resources and take protracted efforts to research original documentation in both government archives as well as private hands. Calum Douglas (Scottish engine designer for the Toyota F1 racing team who is also fluent in German) actually managed to track down the son of Dr. Karl Kohlmann, one of the principal engineers behind the DB-601/603/605 engine family and discovered his father had preserved *original company documents* in the attic, many of which made into Douglas' remarkable book "The Secret Horsepower Race", which took him 5 years to research and write. He has a YT presence at...
www.youtube.com/@CalumDouglas/videos .
For me the paramount goal is to cut through the bullshit and confusion and find the truth, as much as that's actually possible. It's evidently not easy. If that's your goal too, I wish you all the best of luck.
Wow that is very interesting 😮 Thanks for giving the link and also for the support :)
One can't help but wonder what could have happened if this jet had been developed before the Me-262. Interesting video!
Yes, it is a question that always comes when learning about an undeveloped plane. Thanks for your nice comment :)
@@F-14DTomcat You're welcome. I think the website Luft46 has a profile of this jet and a hypothetical history.
Yes, this website was one of my source for the technical datas.
Very cool and informative!
Very cool that you enjoyed 😉
@@F-14DTomcat Haha thanks!
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Nice video! German types are written without "-", so for example it´s Me 262, not Me-262.
Got it! Thanks for the nice comment and the tip :)
Could they find a German who can speak understandable English? I give up!