I've had people do it in unranked, the one place where it makes nooooo fucking sense to unplug... they have nothing to lose from losing... their rank is safe...
Apparently if you plug on someone you cause them to lose their win streak. As an added bonus, if you had a winstreak of your own, you have a one time pardon and keep your streak and lose no xp (I've tested this). Second plug in a row makes you lose xp and your streak as normal. It's baffling that plugging is so rewarding...
2x I've lost 10 & 8 winstreaks due to pluggers. I'm not crazy good as Im only a Tenryu, but I take pride in small accomplishments like that and sucks to lose it to losers that plug. Can't wait for Namco to crack down on this soon 🙏
Its crazy to me that devs will do everything NOT to punish disconnecting, always under the guise of “we are unable to tell if its intentional or not” it really doesnt matter. To a player who’s genuine and halfway skilled, you’ll be able to make up for that loss anyway. A minor penalty for those with legitimate connection issues and a much larger one for those who abuse it.
Exactly it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, you disconnect you lose amigo, why it that hard to work out? No one expect a online to be perfect it goes with the territory.
@@CountChokculaNo, they don't. I get the Polaris crashes. It is more important to punish quitters. Sometimes civilian casualties are necessary, that's life amigo
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they discuss a form of punishment for pluggers with the new upcoming update during the Tekken Talk 2 days ago? Or am I misremembering it?
It's not all devs. It's only the Japanese ones that don't punish plugs. NRS and KI always punished pluggers. In MK your character suicides itself if you plug.
Sf4 wasn't even 2/3 it was one game and you had to find the guy again to get a runback. It was real easy for ppl to run with ur points it was also easy to point boost
The 2/3 is annoying, specially when they barely beat you because you got their play style figured out at the end. And they know you are beating them next round. When is a beat down, it’s a whatever
@@Legendarycornet Even when you win, it blows when people dip after the first game. Rounds are so fast in this game that the only reason you quit is because you don't care to learn, and it bums me out. I've very very rarely had this in any other fighting game, but in T8 it's almost every ranked match I've played.
SF6 has something like that with the "thumbs up" button after a match, but afaik it doesn't tell the other player. And for all its faults iirc Multiversus had something like that too.
Me too. I want to send regards to people who were really fun to play even if they totally washed me. Sometimes I think people feel bad when they run over someone, they start to intentionally slow their gameplay down
How hard is it to make it that if an opponent plugs on you before the match ends, count it as a win for you: the non-plugger. They should reward you with points, they shouldn’t let the plugger steal the points from you.
Are you a network engineer? It is hard. The p2p connection doesn't know who disconnected. It's just how things work. Please stop acting smug when you don't know anything about it.
@@Sammysapphirahow does MK do it? Do they have mystical powers. It's been figured out for years dummy. Namco is just behind like usual. Shit doesn't even have proper rollback either
@@Sammysapphira if the p2p connection doesn't know who disconnected, then how does the game keep track of a player's disconnection rate? how is the game able to penalize the plugger if what you're saying about the p2p connection not knowing who disconnected is true?
@@dale5654 that disconnection rate either just refers to the chance of disconnection based on how stable both connections are leading in to that match, or is just plain inaccurate if its supposed to represent a players tendency to disconnect. because the amount of 0% disconnection rates ive seen still result in someone disconnecting is crazy lol (im no professional on the topic at all, just tryna make it make sense coz tbh most people including myself have no clue)
@@Sammysapphira I'm no network engineer, but I am a software engineer. We know for a fact that the game can tell if a player disconnected since they get penalized for leaving matches. If the game's code can penalize a player for leaving a match, then you can literally just plug in the logic of adding points to the victim of the plugger whenever the game decides to penalize a player current logic looks like this: if the match gets stopped due to a disconnection -> penalize the player who caused the match to stop. proposed logic will look like this: if the match gets stopped due to a disconnection -> penalize the player who caused the match to stop -> add points to the victim of the plugger easy as that
The whole ranked system is awful in Tekken. It's unfathomable to me that you can design a ranked system that only needs to account for two players and somehow end up with a worse system than FPS games or MOBA's that have to account for entire teams. At the rate fighting games progress I'm sure we'll have a proper ranked system in 10 years though.
it's crazy, their entire response was basically telling players, take time out of your day, stop playing the game and report players for plugging. Why is that our job as players to do that!? Why don't they have a system in place to do that? Fix bad hitboxes for some moves, fix the polaris crash or frame rate issues that some players still are having? No, here's tekken shop, now stare at eddy all day, no you don't get to change the character to your main. Stare are the advertisement. You want more matches than 1st to 2? Have some fire works from the tekken shop. smh
I do respect the little things they did to make the matches less irritating by adding the mirror and the asynchronous win screens where you can watch your win screen without the opponent having to do the same ( in case you where wondering why someone rematches much later).
@@mbfun9298 yeah I tested it as soon as I read your comment, man I thought everyone went toxic in this game and didn't skip their outros, I was getting so triggered I stopped Skiping my intros and outros lol
Everyone demanding that people who won't rematch will get punished with negative points. Why don't they instead reward people who do rematch with like x2 or x3 amount of points? That way more people will make decision to try rematch and get more points because it's actually worth it and way faster than plugging or farming for easy 1 match wins.
This is how WoW slowed people down from grinding themselves to dust and let casual players catch up. They used to give xp penalties for playing too long, but that just made hardcore players mad. Instead, they awarded people with "bonus" xp for logging off for a while with a rested bonus. It was the exact same thing but it's much more effective at aligning player incentive with dev intent.
Imagine a system where you are penalized for not rematching takes place. People will (not might, WILL) purposefully fuck up their internet or PC with the intention of making the gameplay as unpleasant as possible so the opponent doesn't want to rematch. One and done'ing is a form of self defense.
Outright banning is never really the answer since some peoples internet is genuinely shitty, but any disconnect should result in a loss for them. There’s no way you should be taking ranked so seriously if your connection is garbage lmao
@@Cookieunks123I mean if your connection is so wretched that you disconnect frequently enough to get banned, then perhaps you just shouldn't play in ranked lol
One and doning is a godsend when the connection/rig your opponent is on is trash, instead of forcing FT2 they should incentivize it by scaling up the points you get for winning a full set.
Namco said they had problems banning in certain countries. Im thinking 'you dont have to ban anyone. Fix your connection rate indicator, give out W/Ls appropriately and let those Losers play other losers.' Nobody HAS to get banned. I know I won, but I dont understand why Namco cant know that.
I mean I don’t even think they have to be in a separate que, I think just docking the same points as a loss is so easy and so perfect. Like it’s an incentive to not plug cause you’re gonna lose points anyway, why not just play the rest
I think the confusion stems from the assumption that it's an agreement to a best 2 out of 3 match. In Tekken 7, you could play someone for one match, and then another, and another, infinitely technically. In Tekken 8, it's simply been restricted to a best out of 3 (i.e. 3 matches at most with the same player). You're not agreeing to a 2 out of 3, simply 1 and IF both parties are down, then another and possibly a 3rd depending on the outcomes.
Comparing an optional bo3 format to a long-form single-game ranked mode in a completely different genre is such a weird take. Nobody is owed more than a single game for any reason at all, this isn’t an irl tournament. Choosing not to rematching isn’t the same as “quitting a ranked match early”.
Tbh is a ranked mode where you are there to see who is the best,having a bo5 both players can adapt,also even through is a ft2 the majority of time players in ranked mode runs at least a couple of ft2's,I don't see why not
Plug pullers should be penalized for sure but I'm happy with no forced first to two. Too often the connection is too unstable for a fun game in spite of showing 5 bars non-wifi.
In other competitive mode games like Overwatch, if your teammate leaves, bad luck you take the L with no lube. There isn’t reason to not punish someone if they disconnect since it’s solely your fault.
Penalize for plugging not for not rematching. Some opponents have shitty connections or worse yet wifi. I should make it a policy to avoid wifi player.
The online issue with a severe penalty is sometimes your opponent's connection just sucks, you shouldn't have to play an extra game against the guy chewing on the router. They should make it contribute to the disconnect % and also make that thing work
New update should include a form that if you Accept, you also get removed from Ranked gameplay after getting reported 3 times for Plugging within 24 hours. From that point the person who "Wins" that should be paired with other Pluggers. See who can Plug Faster! 🤔😂
If that was a thing the meta would very quickly be: report legit player for plugging when you lose and are salty. You would easily get 3 false reports in like 2 hours of ranked.
When someone is about to lose (or getting beaten up bigtime) and is salty enough to quit the game / disconnect before the fight is concluded, aka can't afford to lose points / rank and that person is making a Habit out of it is considered a Plugger. No need to put it differently. That kind of behavior needs to end. As seen alot of times that there are many who keep abusing it. You get nothing out of those battles just giving your time to just see it vanish as the match didn't even happen.
What a retarded idea. I bet ur fucking stupid 😂. Instead of pluggers we ll just get spam reporters. Leave the ideas for people with an iQ above atleast 80 mate
Completely agree with this. A bit sick of constantly getting sent back to warm up after just figuring the opponent out, definitely ruins the experience. But those pluggers should have been gone for sure.
@@bichoestranhocomcaudas6543 well tekken 8 abandoned deathmatches in ranked so that playing ranked would feel more like playing in tournaments by having players play b03s. Why can't the devs just commit to that by requiring the players to finish the set?
There's a reason the FT2 was implemented with the option to deny, whether is bad connection or simple will. If someone doesn't want a rematch, doesn't want it and that's it. Why you think is personal, the other person doesn't know you, he just doesn't want to play your character for whatever reason
This really isn't rocket science. Giving the loss to the player who disconnects or even banning them from matchmaking for a couple of minutes is a common practice in ranked online games. This concept isn't anything out of ordinary. The Tekken approach is.
If they wanted to leave after 1 game then thats fine, It's a choice and in a way should be respected. However if they plug then that is a way different story and Bamco should fix this and punish those pluggers.
On the showcase stream where they showed off Eddy, they spoke about the other half of this issue; Disconnecting mid-match. They know about it. They're gearing up to make the changes necessary for the game to be a healthy environment. But they need to get each Region's law papers together so they can ensure that they're not breaking a law somewhere if they do Penalize or Ban these people. It sucks to know that it's going to take some time for them to start rolling these changes out, but I can appreciate how open and transparent they were to state where they were in the process of it. But to address Aris' qualms, I also feel as if they should make Ranked a mandatory "Two out of Three." Structurally, it gives you the sense of consistency. Systematic Consistency is a fantastic thing to strive for in any setting. Realistically, up to a maximum of ten Rounds in a game where Rounds only last sixty seconds is extremely reasonable; That's an extremely small amount of time when you compare that time investment to Competitive 'Counter Strike' and other games of the like. Yeah, I get it; Someone may not want to go for that second game because the first Match was laggy and unstable. In a perfect world, there'd be systems in-place that'd catalogue how consistent your connection is; So before you'd press "Accept" on that Match, you'd see a disclaimer stating, "Data suggests that this Player's connection may be unstable." so you can simply choose to not engage with the frustration. I could only hope that this could be a thing for Tekken 8, so player's would be more open to the idea of a forced "Two out of Three" Ranked System. Things could definitely be worse though. Tekken 8's going to be building itself up from an extremely solid foundation. Even if that takes time, I'm along for the ride.
While I can appreciate their transparency and am cautiously optimistic for them to fix it... Bro, its Tekken 8. They had the same fuckin problems in T7, and that shit came out like 9 years ago. People were complaining about it 9 years ago. They are glacially slow to adapting to these kinds of issues, and they absolutely deserve criticism for it.
I got be honest i don't belive, that the whole point of having to do with something about the law, so that's why they haven't done anything yet. Despite already being an issue on T7, this is Bandai we're talking about the same Bandai that on the Souls series if you pick a wrong item from a invader you could get banned your account permanently.
@@megapussi I absolutely agree. The bottom-line standard for these kinds of things needs to be higher and upheld. However, you have to acknowledge the fact that this is the first ever Tekken game that has ever released straight to consoles/PC, without any form of Arcade release. That's quite a drastic change. I'd imagine due to that, Harada and the team were severely focused on ensuring that the game itself and the Netcode (which is a MAJOR step up from Tekken 7's Netcode) was properly working, rather than caring about Player Behavioral issues like this. Because realistically, what we're complaining about here isn't necessarily a game issue, but purely Player Behavioral issues. Maybe Harada thought that players were better than these petty things and thought the only necessary measure to take was the Disconnect Percentage being displayed? Regardless and again, I feel as if Tekken 8 has an extremely strong foundation to build upon. There's certainly more that needs working on, of course. But we can acknowledge that, whilst also acknowledging how much worse things could be.
In pretty much any RTS, you lose the game if you drop the connection. It doesn't matter if it wasn't your fault. But frankly I don't think it's actually necessary to implement this. Just fix the disconnect rate. That's good enough. If we can actually see their disconnect rate, we can boycott all the pluggers. That was they have to play against eachother. So we isolate these toxic players so we don't have to play them, and they get to taste their own medicine. Isn't this better than just giving them a point penalty? Forcing players to rematch is a stupid idea. I'm surprised to hear Aris support this since he always seems to have level headed takes. Why should I be forced into a rematch if I don't feel like it or have to leave? If you want games to be less random, increasing the amount of rounds would be a better idea. I am generally someone who will rematch a few times, but imposing it on others just feels wrong and unneccessary, and there are times when I too just don't want to play them again. Like if they're item users or if I want to lab something or switch characters. A tournament mode with more sets could be cool though.
Namco made rematch a choice, then you yell at people who make the choice. Yell at Namco, not at the players. It's not "agree to a 2 out of 3 match", it's "agree to a ranked match with the option to rematch". If you don't believe me, open the game and you will see that rematching is optional. If you want to force rematches, take it up with Namco. You're taking it wayyyy to personally. You are responsible for how you interpret things, not us.
I completely agree to the logic here. If you click accept to a comp match in CS it literally tells you that you're agreeing to an hour long match and if you quit you'll be penalized. 2 out of 3 might take a fraction of the time a match like CS takes. No excuses.
Aris is right on this one and the implementation of quitters from other games can be used on Fighting Games too. They have Disconnection Rate as well before each fight so it means they would know if you disconnect too much. Quitter immediately loses with Loss penalty and Disconnect penalty to current Rank. Consecutive Disconnects lead to being blocked from Rank or will only be matched with Low ELO Players too, then 40% Disconnect Rate leads to Ban.
I've only ever seen a zero% disconnection rate, have you seen people with more than zero? I'm just curious. Maybe it places you with other people who also have zero if you never DC which is good. But I have also seen that 0% and then had the person disconnect right as I was about to win.
So you make up your own arbitrary rules and the game sucks because it doesn't follow them? When everyone clicks Matchmaking, it's only ever for 1 game only. The rematches are optional only when agreed upon by both opponents. THAT'S what you're signing up for, not a Bo3 like you're making up. Punishing pluggers makes perfect sense. Punishing people who don't want to run a full Bo3 set with you doesn't. The match could be laggy. They could dislike you the player. They could dislike your character. They might not want to be embarrassed on stream etc. But yeah, I guess we're all morons because you're salty af for not getting your runback.
Even if my internet cuts out and I disconnect because of that its expected that my opponent should get the win. Like in every other game ever. I do however like that players can choose to leave after one game. It's not something I'm likely to ever do. But sometimes things come up, or the match turned out to be laggier than the initial prompt said it was. I don't personally like it when someone does it, but I'm glad the option is there. I'd rather the person leaves manually rather than plugging in any case.
While I don't agree that you should be FORCED to play a ft3, I do agree that people should be HEAVILY penalized for rage quitting. This is worse than the Tekken 7 days.
Devs honestly incentivize disconnecting by not implementing a system to count the loss if someone disconnects. Also they need to stop removing quit button from pause menu. If someone wants to leave, they are going to do it. Let them just press the quit button and count it as a win for the other person
I still say forcing ranked to be a best 2 out of 3 format is dumb. Sometimes I just don’t feel like playing against said player anymore. Even if I win. I feel like the more fair option is allowing infinite rematches or taking away rematches altogether. I shouldn’t feel obligated to face a player again even if it is ranked. Each match is already 3 rounds.
the f*cked up part is, even when I losing a match I stay, but when I'm about to win a match, I get plugged. It's just frustrating not to get any points and to know that the other player won't be penalized.
Tekken 8's online experience is the single reason I'm not wasting my time with the game. Super fun to play and learn but getting lag-free, full sets is like pulling fucking teeth. No clue why they enable the losers to ruin the game for the legit players, but I highly recommend skipping the game.
CSGO: 1,000-point drop in ELO rating Valorant : 7 days (or more) penalty if you disconnect on Ranked. 30 min in Unrated. Online Fighting Games: Unplug and Start Another Game
I thought this was gonna be about plugging, not just leaving before the bo3 is finished. Not on-board with the idea of making it mandatory to stay for a bo3. You'd be forced to play another match or two against people who have shitty net or PCs, or be punished for not wanting to rematch against that. I feel like it could also encourage rank farming from a new kind of scum; people who make the game lag on purpose to make the other guy want to leave after the first match, so they can farm points. Not sure why win-quitting bothers him that much anyway. I'd much rather deal with that than forced rematches against laggers.
the game already tracks all information about connection and pc hardware quality. it could just offer a disconnect option only when those things are deemed to be poor quality
I get the frustration, I agree that 2 out of 3 should be the standard, but this isn't what players are agreeing to. Both parties can opt out after each match. Don't hate the player, hate the system. Also pluggers.
I had a long hard thought on how to not penalize the player. If a player plugs during ranked, their superghost should take over for the remainder of the match . At the start of a Ranked match, before you accept a match the player choose where if its a best of 3 or not if they both agree then they fight if they both choose best of 1 , they fight, if they don't align then the match doesnt go through. if they accept a best of 3 and then they want to leave, they are told the ghost will take over, just to give them a warning before they decided to leave.
If you even bring this up on any fighting game reddit or even most UA-cam comment sections people will freak the fuck out and give you the most unhinged responses lol
Let's say like this. All points should be accumulated after the 2 out of 3 is done. No, if ands or buts about it, you can't one and done. You don't get points if you do one and done. That means you forfeited the third match or the second match.
I got the rank I wanted and am done trying to climb, the ranked system is trash and so is the matchmaking. Always placing me against 2 rank difference where I stomp them or get stomped, but you lose more points to the +2 than you gain from the -2.
There needs to be consequences. Everytime I win, 70% of the time, I can't get a rematch. If I decide to play for 2 hours, guarantee I might 5-7 plugs. Sometimes, even if lose, the other person will leave in an effort to keep their points because it was a close match. Hell I even get plugged during QUICK matches. Who are these people? I swear it wasnt this bad in T7 lol
Harada said you absolutely can and should report people for plugging, but I think there's an easier solution for one and dones. if you win one and don't rematch, you can't get as many points in the next game, and you lose more points if you lose. so you are literally incentivized with your rank if you don't play out the full 2/3. it's EASY to implement the math here, and if people don't like it they can fuckin kick rocks.
The worst part is that some people might have shit to do out of nowhere, but in some cases it's pretty obvious they're just playing for the points if you face them 3 sets later and they pull the same shit after. In SF6 there were a couple of players that I had to block because each time I've faced them, win or lose, they leave the set, even if I come across them on a different day. Then you check their match history and they refuse to play the whole set against other players and climb slowly towards Diamond. Why the fuck did you spend 60 dollars on this then?!
If you have something to do out of nowhere then set your controller/stick down and take the L. Don’t fuck somebody else over because you can’t plan your day correctly and you’re playing in an environment where you’d need to do that. I know there are emergencies but seriously… just set the controller down. You’ll lose, then the rematch timer will run out and you won’t look like a total piece of shit.
you know... on fightcade you have the option to queue ranked ft2, ft 3, ft5, ft10, and it was made a long time ago. would be nice if tekken had options like that too
Or like, after the first match with someone you can pick rematch, ft3, ft5, or ft10, and if the other player also hits the same option as you then that's what you do. The regular rematch option just continues until one person leaves. If one person picks ft10 and the other picks ft3 then it defaults to the lower one. This would allow two people who have a great connection and similar skill level to get the most out of their time together, while allowing either to opt out to varying degrees.
Nope. Nobody is obligated to rematch. You won or lost the match, and they don't want to play again. Life happens and nobody should be forced to play an entire set. I ALWAYS rematch unless their "five bar connection" was more like a 2 or 3 bar, but I still think it is weird to expect people to HAVE to play more matches with you. You already won or lost points, just move on.
I don't get why we have to punish people for not rematching, they're not obligated to. How about give extra points or small rewards to people who rematches.
I agree with you . most people are taking advantage of the system as well by playing a srub character and whether they win or lose a match they leave if you notice you almost winning
The whole experience of hopping online to fight randos in (optional) BO3s is just a recipe for having a shitty time. Between having to dodge wifi connections, people with awful connections anyway, people with PCs that can't run the game, and 1-and-doners it's no surprise playing online makes Aris want to swallow a chocolate gun. Even when you find a decent match, it's over after 2-3 games and you're thrown back out to wade through the muck. The ratio of time spent having fun vs frustration is awful, and a lot of that is enabled by how the devs made the game.
I think there should be a match type option added in the game. You'll have your one and done, and best 2 out of 3. For the one and done option, you gain half exp if you win and standard exp is lost if you lose. The 2 out of 3 option you'd gain or lose standard exp for each match win or lose. But if the player opt out they'll 1.5x exp for not committing. Pluggers should be automatically demoted and banned for 24 hours.
Points shouls also be awarded for set wins not game wins. You win the set. You get the points. You leave? Your opponent gets the points. Genuine excuses to leave are few and far between and when they happen take them on the chin
Plugging is one thing but one and done is ok if: 1. The person bodied you and you want to lab the match up 2. They have a shit connection even though the game says otherwise 3. You have shit going on IRL and you have to attend to it or you need to take a break to take a piss I can't play long sessions because my hands start to kill me if I play Tekken for prolonged sessions. I don't think anyone should be punished for being a one and done type of player on ranked.
Encouraging full sets with points would be cool, but *forcing* them on players is a horrible idea - not only it worsens the plugging problem by giving pluggers more time+reason to tune out early, but also makes the ranked mode less accessible for those who don't have much care for ft3, which might grow into a queue problem in the long run (as the playerbase dwindles over time). Ranked also shouldn't really be treated as a "tournamet setting" mode - its purpose is to provide a hard-SBMM experience first and foremost.
I agree ngl. But sometimes I'm mid match on pc and my game just fucking crashes. Some people obviously plug but leaving a match isn't always my fault. Damn game crashes at least once a day
my view is: ranked is designed to mimic the same competitive environment as a irl tourney. In those, if you win the first game but then gotta go cuz your cat's calling or you gotta wash your hair or whatever, you lose the set and your opponent moves on. If you agree to the FT2 format, you need to follow the rules of it.
Make it easier, under the following logic: Make it mandatory to play 2 out of 3. If you play rank, means you agree with it. Make it NOT so, when playing casual/player/quick match. If you are scared of losing points, if "you have to leave" or "you dont have time", that cool bro, play Quick match. Wanna bet your points? 2 out of 3 bro.
1:39 yes in LoL you get a timed penalty. 2, 5, and sometimes 25 minutes for AFK then extended too more games if excessive. This isn't accounting for bad WiFi or something.
You don't get punished for leaving due to business psychology. A player who plugs is already tilted, punishing him on top of that would be a financial risk and result in him quitting the game completely AKA not buying battle pass, skins, dlc chars etc. Devs know this is unacceptable but they can't do something because the suits are in charge.
It is true League punishes you for leaving, but it takes A LOT of leaving to get a real punishment. I don't know a single game that truly slaps my hands for leaving a match... But I know many games with stores and microtransactions.
@@lucastonoli3256 what's the difference tho if someone can just hold forward for three rounds to give their opponent a free win in the current system anyway? Rewarding those who got plugged won't make the win trading exploit any worse. It'll only give the players the wins they should've been getting in the first place
@@dale5654 Time (big difference), harder to prove complicity between the accounts involved (both using VPN to connect in an area with no players and shitty connection alleging repeated issues). Not to mention legitimate accidental disconnections giving you points would be bullshit
@@lucastonoli3256 then give a 30 minute timeout to the pluggers so that they can't instantly queue up again. Heck make it a day or even a week to serial pluggers. Problem solved Also winning matches because your opponent disconnected is a thing that already exists in so many other games. Counter strike, league of legends, rocket league, and so many more. The best ability is availability. Getting a default win because your opponent suddenly becomes unavailable to continue a match already exists in both online games and in real life sports. It wouldnt make sense for a player in tennis to not win a match after their opponent retires the match due to sustaining an injury mid match, regardless as to who was in the lead before the match stopped
Question 4 anyone: Is it neccissary the game tests both connections with every single person. just to tell me, NOPE. ? Cant there be a system where it tests your net at first then places you in a sector where it works with others, there by rappidly loading me into a match with someone? The current system Just doesnt feel optimized at all.
I'll only agree with bo3 mandatory if the game will actually properly check connection quality. You can easily get a huge lag even if it shows 5 stars when you accept. If opponent is cheating by introducing lag on his end after match starts, then game sever should identify who is the source of lag and instantly close the game with that player's loss.
I had mfs pull the plug at the very last second
instead of using those reactions to improve themselves they use it to ragequit
Cry more pus C
Just frame plug
the ltg special
I've had people do it in unranked, the one place where it makes nooooo fucking sense to unplug... they have nothing to lose from losing... their rank is safe...
I had mf playing Paul I punished his demoman and deathfist won one round and then he plugged xD Dude relied on two tricks kekw
Apparently if you plug on someone you cause them to lose their win streak. As an added bonus, if you had a winstreak of your own, you have a one time pardon and keep your streak and lose no xp (I've tested this). Second plug in a row makes you lose xp and your streak as normal. It's baffling that plugging is so rewarding...
>I've tested this
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@@jetsyrup481 for science... yes yes
Yes I lost a 15 match win streak with Kazuya cause some one on PlayStation did this to me.
Found him
2x I've lost 10 & 8 winstreaks due to pluggers. I'm not crazy good as Im only a Tenryu, but I take pride in small accomplishments like that and sucks to lose it to losers that plug.
Can't wait for Namco to crack down on this soon 🙏
Its crazy to me that devs will do everything NOT to punish disconnecting, always under the guise of “we are unable to tell if its intentional or not” it really doesnt matter. To a player who’s genuine and halfway skilled, you’ll be able to make up for that loss anyway. A minor penalty for those with legitimate connection issues and a much larger one for those who abuse it.
Exactly it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, you disconnect you lose amigo, why it that hard to work out? No one expect a online to be perfect it goes with the territory.
They need to fix this game crashing first. Half of them probably aren't even pluggers.
@@CountChokculaNo, they don't. I get the Polaris crashes. It is more important to punish quitters. Sometimes civilian casualties are necessary, that's life amigo
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they discuss a form of punishment for pluggers with the new upcoming update during the Tekken Talk 2 days ago? Or am I misremembering it?
It's not all devs. It's only the Japanese ones that don't punish plugs. NRS and KI always punished pluggers. In MK your character suicides itself if you plug.
I know everyone hates on MK1, but the Quitality feature is awesome. Rewards the points correctly too and you have to finish the set.
rare NRS W
MK1 did exactly 1 thing right
You can still plug. Quitality is only of you quit from the menu.
@@Nateolison Nah Quitality happens if they plug aswell.
@@BionisGuy Ohh new change then. Good shit!
SF4 still winning all these years later, quitting early deducts points and gives it to the opponent just like losing the match does.
People still found ways around it unfortunately
Sf4 wasn't even 2/3 it was one game and you had to find the guy again to get a runback.
It was real easy for ppl to run with ur points it was also easy to point boost
no not quite, better systems just need to be in place.
There was no 2/3 in SF4 you dummy.
@@junior1388666 those were the days. Sitting there waiting for that person's name to pop up knowing damn well they shut their xbox off 😂😂😂
Don't mind people not taking a 2/3. But plugging should be punished.
The 2/3 is annoying, specially when they barely beat you because you got their play style figured out at the end. And they know you are beating them next round. When is a beat down, it’s a whatever
@@Legendarycornet Even when you win, it blows when people dip after the first game. Rounds are so fast in this game that the only reason you quit is because you don't care to learn, and it bums me out. I've very very rarely had this in any other fighting game, but in T8 it's almost every ranked match I've played.
*Player win quits*
BAD MOVE AMIGOO DON'T EVER TRY THAT AGAIN. *smokes cigarette*"
Check them shoes out playa !
@@Eduardo-kq5qc RETURN THOSE! I HOPE YOU SAVED THE RECEIPT
SAVE THE RECEIPT!!
THAT IS A HUUUGE ERROR!
*Fax machine noises*
On the flip side I want to be able to say “ggs” to pc players that do a cool combo on me. I wish there was a in game toggle for that
SF6 has something like that with the "thumbs up" button after a match, but afaik it doesn't tell the other player. And for all its faults iirc Multiversus had something like that too.
Me too. I want to send regards to people who were really fun to play even if they totally washed me. Sometimes I think people feel bad when they run over someone, they start to intentionally slow their gameplay down
That's pretty gay man.
@@Sammysapphira or they double down on the aggressiveness and mess you up even more. Happened a lot to me lol
Yes yes yes this. It always struck me as odd that we have a way for negative feedback (ki charge), but no way for positive feedback.
How hard is it to make it that if an opponent plugs on you before the match ends, count it as a win for you: the non-plugger. They should reward you with points, they shouldn’t let the plugger steal the points from you.
Are you a network engineer? It is hard. The p2p connection doesn't know who disconnected. It's just how things work. Please stop acting smug when you don't know anything about it.
@@Sammysapphirahow does MK do it? Do they have mystical powers. It's been figured out for years dummy. Namco is just behind like usual. Shit doesn't even have proper rollback either
@@Sammysapphira if the p2p connection doesn't know who disconnected, then how does the game keep track of a player's disconnection rate? how is the game able to penalize the plugger if what you're saying about the p2p connection not knowing who disconnected is true?
@@dale5654 that disconnection rate either just refers to the chance of disconnection based on how stable both connections are leading in to that match, or is just plain inaccurate if its supposed to represent a players tendency to disconnect. because the amount of 0% disconnection rates ive seen still result in someone disconnecting is crazy lol (im no professional on the topic at all, just tryna make it make sense coz tbh most people including myself have no clue)
@@Sammysapphira I'm no network engineer, but I am a software engineer. We know for a fact that the game can tell if a player disconnected since they get penalized for leaving matches. If the game's code can penalize a player for leaving a match, then you can literally just plug in the logic of adding points to the victim of the plugger whenever the game decides to penalize a player
current logic looks like this:
if the match gets stopped due to a disconnection
-> penalize the player who caused the match to stop.
proposed logic will look like this:
if the match gets stopped due to a disconnection
-> penalize the player who caused the match to stop
-> add points to the victim of the plugger
easy as that
The whole ranked system is awful in Tekken. It's unfathomable to me that you can design a ranked system that only needs to account for two players and somehow end up with a worse system than FPS games or MOBA's that have to account for entire teams. At the rate fighting games progress I'm sure we'll have a proper ranked system in 10 years though.
They made it worse with only 2 rematches.
it's crazy, their entire response was basically telling players, take time out of your day, stop playing the game and report players for plugging. Why is that our job as players to do that!? Why don't they have a system in place to do that? Fix bad hitboxes for some moves, fix the polaris crash or frame rate issues that some players still are having? No, here's tekken shop, now stare at eddy all day, no you don't get to change the character to your main. Stare are the advertisement. You want more matches than 1st to 2? Have some fire works from the tekken shop. smh
Elo rating system was made 70 years ago for chess, 1v1 game. It should be impossible to screw up rating systems by now.
I do respect the little things they did to make the matches less irritating by adding the mirror and the asynchronous win screens where you can watch your win screen without the opponent having to do the same ( in case you where wondering why someone rematches much later).
what really? i thought that people just didnt skip their outro to piss you off like tekken 7
@@DmadPs
Yeah I can always skip any winning cutscene
@@mbfun9298 yeah I tested it as soon as I read your comment, man I thought everyone went toxic in this game and didn't skip their outros, I was getting so triggered I stopped Skiping my intros and outros lol
@@DmadPs
Glad to have helped ^_^
Everyone demanding that people who won't rematch will get punished with negative points. Why don't they instead reward people who do rematch with like x2 or x3 amount of points? That way more people will make decision to try rematch and get more points because it's actually worth it and way faster than plugging or farming for easy 1 match wins.
This is how WoW slowed people down from grinding themselves to dust and let casual players catch up. They used to give xp penalties for playing too long, but that just made hardcore players mad. Instead, they awarded people with "bonus" xp for logging off for a while with a rested bonus. It was the exact same thing but it's much more effective at aligning player incentive with dev intent.
Cause most games have sets in competitive, so reward how it's played in competitive. Peeps dont go to evo, win one match and be done.
Aris and the air saxophone. A hood classic
theres also a weird bug/freeze when you click rematch and they cancel at the same time
I've seen that one when I played a few matches on wifi to test it. It freezes for over 30 seconds. I haven't had it since then though
They actually fixed it in the latest patch.
I've noticed a strange bug as well. Every time I'm about to lose, my game closes. Really bizarre.
Imagine a system where you are penalized for not rematching takes place. People will (not might, WILL) purposefully fuck up their internet or PC with the intention of making the gameplay as unpleasant as possible so the opponent doesn't want to rematch. One and done'ing is a form of self defense.
Lose points, the winning player gets points, or banning the rage quiter should be a thing.
The winning player gets points might get abused so i would not stick to that.
@@Deaduser1122 hey alright you know what you’re right. We don’t like Hyde gackt around here.
Outright banning is never really the answer since some peoples internet is genuinely shitty, but any disconnect should result in a loss for them. There’s no way you should be taking ranked so seriously if your connection is garbage lmao
@@Cookieunks123I mean if your connection is so wretched that you disconnect frequently enough to get banned, then perhaps you just shouldn't play in ranked lol
@@kenkune55 It would be pretty unfair to be excluded from a part of the game you paid money for simply because of bad internet
One and doning is a godsend when the connection/rig your opponent is on is trash, instead of forcing FT2 they should incentivize it by scaling up the points you get for winning a full set.
Namco said they had problems banning in certain countries. Im thinking 'you dont have to ban anyone. Fix your connection rate indicator, give out W/Ls appropriately and let those Losers play other losers.' Nobody HAS to get banned. I know I won, but I dont understand why Namco cant know that.
I mean I don’t even think they have to be in a separate que, I think just docking the same points as a loss is so easy and so perfect. Like it’s an incentive to not plug cause you’re gonna lose points anyway, why not just play the rest
@@dmoney5443 I mean when it shows disconnect rate when you get matched with someone. It let's people decide if they even want to play with a quitter.
Yes. No banning. Banning is stupid. You’re gonna ban someone after they purchased your game? Lose points/rank. Very simple. Unbelievable.
I think the confusion stems from the assumption that it's an agreement to a best 2 out of 3 match. In Tekken 7, you could play someone for one match, and then another, and another, infinitely technically. In Tekken 8, it's simply been restricted to a best out of 3 (i.e. 3 matches at most with the same player). You're not agreeing to a 2 out of 3, simply 1 and IF both parties are down, then another and possibly a 3rd depending on the outcomes.
Yeah, he's acting like bo3 is the format instead of a bandaid replacement for deathmatches after getting rid of them for player pool health.
Tekken 7 went on 7 years without this simple feature.
Harada watching this muttering "too effort" over and over
dont ask me for shit don’t ask me for shit dont ask me for shit…
Almost all video games have this. Idk what bamco cooking just tell em to hurry up
Comparing an optional bo3 format to a long-form single-game ranked mode in a completely different genre is such a weird take. Nobody is owed more than a single game for any reason at all, this isn’t an irl tournament. Choosing not to rematching isn’t the same as “quitting a ranked match early”.
Making the best of five mandatory in MK1 was maybe a bit much but they had the right idea imo. Mandatory best of three would be so good.
Nah, it's a shit idea and it's boomer mentality
tekken is so much better in a bo5 tho, my best sessions in T7 were long deathmatch where adaptation is key.
Tbh is a ranked mode where you are there to see who is the best,having a bo5 both players can adapt,also even through is a ft2 the majority of time players in ranked mode runs at least a couple of ft2's,I don't see why not
MK1 ranked actually changed to bo3 after season 1, it's great.
Plug pullers should be penalized for sure but I'm happy with no forced first to two. Too often the connection is too unstable for a fun game in spite of showing 5 bars non-wifi.
Ranked should emulate tournament settings. Don't like BO3? Go play quick match.
nobody plays fighting games as it is. a good way to kill fighting games even further is to force every comp game to be Bo3 /eyeroll
In other competitive mode games like Overwatch, if your teammate leaves, bad luck you take the L with no lube. There isn’t reason to not punish someone if they disconnect since it’s solely your fault.
Penalize for plugging not for not rematching. Some opponents have shitty connections or worse yet wifi. I should make it a policy to avoid wifi player.
mandatory 2/3? but bia boomer logic you dont have to play a 2/3 at an arcade???
You better have brought some extra quarters, scrub. Fights are best of three in this arcade.
The online issue with a severe penalty is sometimes your opponent's connection just sucks, you shouldn't have to play an extra game against the guy chewing on the router. They should make it contribute to the disconnect % and also make that thing work
New update should include a form that if you Accept, you also get removed from Ranked gameplay after getting reported 3 times for Plugging within 24 hours. From that point the person who "Wins" that should be paired with other Pluggers. See who can Plug Faster! 🤔😂
If that was a thing the meta would very quickly be: report legit player for plugging when you lose and are salty. You would easily get 3 false reports in like 2 hours of ranked.
When someone is about to lose (or getting beaten up bigtime) and is salty enough to quit the game / disconnect before the fight is concluded, aka can't afford to lose points / rank and that person is making a Habit out of it is considered a Plugger. No need to put it differently. That kind of behavior needs to end. As seen alot of times that there are many who keep abusing it. You get nothing out of those battles just giving your time to just see it vanish as the match didn't even happen.
What a retarded idea. I bet ur fucking stupid 😂. Instead of pluggers we ll just get spam reporters. Leave the ideas for people with an iQ above atleast 80 mate
Completely agree with this. A bit sick of constantly getting sent back to warm up after just figuring the opponent out, definitely ruins the experience. But those pluggers should have been gone for sure.
Lemme go to EVO, win 1 match and say I don't wanna play anymore, can't wait to get to Grand Finals!
Sorry, can't talk right now. People's Champion coming through.
big difference between EVO and a ranked match buddy
both are competitve environments where 2 people agree on playing a certain format buddy@@bichoestranhocomcaudas6543
@@bichoestranhocomcaudas6543 That was the joke
@@bichoestranhocomcaudas6543 well tekken 8 abandoned deathmatches in ranked so that playing ranked would feel more like playing in tournaments by having players play b03s. Why can't the devs just commit to that by requiring the players to finish the set?
There's a reason the FT2 was implemented with the option to deny, whether is bad connection or simple will. If someone doesn't want a rematch, doesn't want it and that's it.
Why you think is personal, the other person doesn't know you, he just doesn't want to play your character for whatever reason
This really isn't rocket science. Giving the loss to the player who disconnects or even banning them from matchmaking for a couple of minutes is a common practice in ranked online games. This concept isn't anything out of ordinary. The Tekken approach is.
If they wanted to leave after 1 game then thats fine, It's a choice and in a way should be respected.
However if they plug then that is a way different story and Bamco should fix this and punish those pluggers.
On the showcase stream where they showed off Eddy, they spoke about the other half of this issue; Disconnecting mid-match. They know about it. They're gearing up to make the changes necessary for the game to be a healthy environment. But they need to get each Region's law papers together so they can ensure that they're not breaking a law somewhere if they do Penalize or Ban these people. It sucks to know that it's going to take some time for them to start rolling these changes out, but I can appreciate how open and transparent they were to state where they were in the process of it.
But to address Aris' qualms, I also feel as if they should make Ranked a mandatory "Two out of Three." Structurally, it gives you the sense of consistency. Systematic Consistency is a fantastic thing to strive for in any setting.
Realistically, up to a maximum of ten Rounds in a game where Rounds only last sixty seconds is extremely reasonable; That's an extremely small amount of time when you compare that time investment to Competitive 'Counter Strike' and other games of the like.
Yeah, I get it; Someone may not want to go for that second game because the first Match was laggy and unstable. In a perfect world, there'd be systems in-place that'd catalogue how consistent your connection is; So before you'd press "Accept" on that Match, you'd see a disclaimer stating, "Data suggests that this Player's connection may be unstable." so you can simply choose to not engage with the frustration. I could only hope that this could be a thing for Tekken 8, so player's would be more open to the idea of a forced "Two out of Three" Ranked System.
Things could definitely be worse though. Tekken 8's going to be building itself up from an extremely solid foundation. Even if that takes time, I'm along for the ride.
While I can appreciate their transparency and am cautiously optimistic for them to fix it... Bro, its Tekken 8. They had the same fuckin problems in T7, and that shit came out like 9 years ago. People were complaining about it 9 years ago. They are glacially slow to adapting to these kinds of issues, and they absolutely deserve criticism for it.
I got be honest i don't belive, that the whole point of having to do with something about the law, so that's why they haven't done anything yet. Despite already being an issue on T7, this is Bandai we're talking about the same Bandai that on the Souls series if you pick a wrong item from a invader you could get banned your account permanently.
Thanks for writing things in separated paragraphs.
@@megapussi I absolutely agree. The bottom-line standard for these kinds of things needs to be higher and upheld.
However, you have to acknowledge the fact that this is the first ever Tekken game that has ever released straight to consoles/PC, without any form of Arcade release. That's quite a drastic change. I'd imagine due to that, Harada and the team were severely focused on ensuring that the game itself and the Netcode (which is a MAJOR step up from Tekken 7's Netcode) was properly working, rather than caring about Player Behavioral issues like this.
Because realistically, what we're complaining about here isn't necessarily a game issue, but purely Player Behavioral issues. Maybe Harada thought that players were better than these petty things and thought the only necessary measure to take was the Disconnect Percentage being displayed?
Regardless and again, I feel as if Tekken 8 has an extremely strong foundation to build upon. There's certainly more that needs working on, of course. But we can acknowledge that, whilst also acknowledging how much worse things could be.
@@twistedgambit9084 Thank you! LOL
In pretty much any RTS, you lose the game if you drop the connection. It doesn't matter if it wasn't your fault.
But frankly I don't think it's actually necessary to implement this. Just fix the disconnect rate. That's good enough. If we can actually see their disconnect rate, we can boycott all the pluggers. That was they have to play against eachother. So we isolate these toxic players so we don't have to play them, and they get to taste their own medicine. Isn't this better than just giving them a point penalty?
Forcing players to rematch is a stupid idea. I'm surprised to hear Aris support this since he always seems to have level headed takes. Why should I be forced into a rematch if I don't feel like it or have to leave? If you want games to be less random, increasing the amount of rounds would be a better idea.
I am generally someone who will rematch a few times, but imposing it on others just feels wrong and unneccessary, and there are times when I too just don't want to play them again. Like if they're item users or if I want to lab something or switch characters. A tournament mode with more sets could be cool though.
Dale Wilson is not going to like this AT ALL lmaoooo
Namco made rematch a choice, then you yell at people who make the choice.
Yell at Namco, not at the players.
It's not "agree to a 2 out of 3 match", it's "agree to a ranked match with the option to rematch". If you don't believe me, open the game and you will see that rematching is optional. If you want to force rematches, take it up with Namco.
You're taking it wayyyy to personally. You are responsible for how you interpret things, not us.
One and done is fine. But plugging isnt, that should be penalized
I completely agree to the logic here. If you click accept to a comp match in CS it literally tells you that you're agreeing to an hour long match and if you quit you'll be penalized. 2 out of 3 might take a fraction of the time a match like CS takes. No excuses.
yeah ft2 is literally 15 minutes at it's absolute most extreme. they're more like to be like 5 minutes. it is absurd that it isn't enforced
In CS your opponent having a shit PC or shit internet wont effect your gameplay at all. In tekken however it will make the game feel like shit
Youre talking about a team game, where your team mates need you, vs a 1v1 fighting games. It’s not the same.
Aris is right on this one and the implementation of quitters from other games can be used on Fighting Games too. They have Disconnection Rate as well before each fight so it means they would know if you disconnect too much.
Quitter immediately loses with Loss penalty and Disconnect penalty to current Rank. Consecutive Disconnects lead to being blocked from Rank or will only be matched with Low ELO Players too, then 40% Disconnect Rate leads to Ban.
I've only ever seen a zero% disconnection rate, have you seen people with more than zero? I'm just curious. Maybe it places you with other people who also have zero if you never DC which is good. But I have also seen that 0% and then had the person disconnect right as I was about to win.
@@no_nameyouknow Everyone is saying this. Must be bugged.
@@no_nameyouknow They already said it was bugged, it will be fixed next patch.
Wow, what an original and philosophical idea you've had. I've never heard of that 1 before.
If the cancel button was changed to “i can’t take it anymore” like, written in the button, it would change something already
theres 3 videos on this channel about aris winquitting
After I hit yellow ranks almost no one rematches even if they beat me, so agree 100%
I’ve played a bunch of people who one and done in ranked they always do it until they lose and then they want to rematch like hell nah 😂
So you make up your own arbitrary rules and the game sucks because it doesn't follow them? When everyone clicks Matchmaking, it's only ever for 1 game only. The rematches are optional only when agreed upon by both opponents. THAT'S what you're signing up for, not a Bo3 like you're making up.
Punishing pluggers makes perfect sense. Punishing people who don't want to run a full Bo3 set with you doesn't. The match could be laggy. They could dislike you the player. They could dislike your character. They might not want to be embarrassed on stream etc. But yeah, I guess we're all morons because you're salty af for not getting your runback.
Even if my internet cuts out and I disconnect because of that its expected that my opponent should get the win. Like in every other game ever.
I do however like that players can choose to leave after one game. It's not something I'm likely to ever do. But sometimes things come up, or the match turned out to be laggier than the initial prompt said it was. I don't personally like it when someone does it, but I'm glad the option is there. I'd rather the person leaves manually rather than plugging in any case.
While I don't agree that you should be FORCED to play a ft3, I do agree that people should be HEAVILY penalized for rage quitting. This is worse than the Tekken 7 days.
Devs honestly incentivize disconnecting by not implementing a system to count the loss if someone disconnects. Also they need to stop removing quit button from pause menu. If someone wants to leave, they are going to do it. Let them just press the quit button and count it as a win for the other person
How come this is still a discussion in 2024. Is time just a circle?
Yes
Time is a circle, just like the Earth.
A flat one.
I still say forcing ranked to be a best 2 out of 3 format is dumb. Sometimes I just don’t feel like playing against said player anymore. Even if I win. I feel like the more fair option is allowing infinite rematches or taking away rematches altogether. I shouldn’t feel obligated to face a player again even if it is ranked. Each match is already 3 rounds.
the f*cked up part is, even when I losing a match I stay, but when I'm about to win a match, I get plugged. It's just frustrating not to get any points and to know that the other player won't be penalized.
Tekken 8's online experience is the single reason I'm not wasting my time with the game. Super fun to play and learn but getting lag-free, full sets is like pulling fucking teeth.
No clue why they enable the losers to ruin the game for the legit players, but I highly recommend skipping the game.
In every other online ranked game ever you lose points if you disconnect… except tekken 8 😅
CSGO: 1,000-point drop in ELO rating
Valorant : 7 days (or more) penalty if you disconnect on Ranked. 30 min in Unrated.
Online Fighting Games: Unplug and Start Another Game
I thought this was gonna be about plugging, not just leaving before the bo3 is finished. Not on-board with the idea of making it mandatory to stay for a bo3. You'd be forced to play another match or two against people who have shitty net or PCs, or be punished for not wanting to rematch against that.
I feel like it could also encourage rank farming from a new kind of scum; people who make the game lag on purpose to make the other guy want to leave after the first match, so they can farm points.
Not sure why win-quitting bothers him that much anyway. I'd much rather deal with that than forced rematches against laggers.
the game already tracks all information about connection and pc hardware quality. it could just offer a disconnect option only when those things are deemed to be poor quality
I get the frustration, I agree that 2 out of 3 should be the standard, but this isn't what players are agreeing to. Both parties can opt out after each match. Don't hate the player, hate the system. Also pluggers.
Wait till he's forced to best to 3 a cheater, the reaction will change verh quickly.
It's one thing if someone plugs and I don't get my win. But I really don't give a shit if someone doesn't want the rematch. On to the next guy.
I had a long hard thought on how to not penalize the player.
If a player plugs during ranked, their superghost should take over for the remainder of the match .
At the start of a Ranked match, before you accept a match the player choose where if its a best of 3 or not if they both agree then they fight if they both choose best of 1 , they fight, if they don't align then the match doesnt go through.
if they accept a best of 3 and then they want to leave, they are told the ghost will take over, just to give them a warning before they decided to leave.
idk why people get upset over this so much lol who cares move on
In Valorant, you lose RR when you dodge or quit, if you abuse it, you get a 2 week ban.
"Better light a candle!"
If you even bring this up on any fighting game reddit or even most UA-cam comment sections people will freak the fuck out and give you the most unhinged responses lol
Let's say like this. All points should be accumulated after the 2 out of 3 is done. No, if ands or buts about it, you can't one and done. You don't get points if you do one and done. That means you forfeited the third match or the second match.
This is good. You gave a much better solution than this guy did
I got the rank I wanted and am done trying to climb, the ranked system is trash and so is the matchmaking. Always placing me against 2 rank difference where I stomp them or get stomped, but you lose more points to the +2 than you gain from the -2.
There needs to be consequences. Everytime I win, 70% of the time, I can't get a rematch. If I decide to play for 2 hours, guarantee I might 5-7 plugs. Sometimes, even if lose, the other person will leave in an effort to keep their points because it was a close match.
Hell I even get plugged during QUICK matches. Who are these people? I swear it wasnt this bad in T7 lol
Harada said you absolutely can and should report people for plugging, but I think there's an easier solution for one and dones. if you win one and don't rematch, you can't get as many points in the next game, and you lose more points if you lose. so you are literally incentivized with your rank if you don't play out the full 2/3. it's EASY to implement the math here, and if people don't like it they can fuckin kick rocks.
The worst part is that some people might have shit to do out of nowhere, but in some cases it's pretty obvious they're just playing for the points if you face them 3 sets later and they pull the same shit after. In SF6 there were a couple of players that I had to block because each time I've faced them, win or lose, they leave the set, even if I come across them on a different day. Then you check their match history and they refuse to play the whole set against other players and climb slowly towards Diamond. Why the fuck did you spend 60 dollars on this then?!
If you have something to do out of nowhere then set your controller/stick down and take the L. Don’t fuck somebody else over because you can’t plan your day correctly and you’re playing in an environment where you’d need to do that. I know there are emergencies but seriously… just set the controller down. You’ll lose, then the rematch timer will run out and you won’t look like a total piece of shit.
you know... on fightcade you have the option to queue ranked ft2, ft 3, ft5, ft10, and it was made a long time ago. would be nice if tekken had options like that too
Or like, after the first match with someone you can pick rematch, ft3, ft5, or ft10, and if the other player also hits the same option as you then that's what you do. The regular rematch option just continues until one person leaves. If one person picks ft10 and the other picks ft3 then it defaults to the lower one. This would allow two people who have a great connection and similar skill level to get the most out of their time together, while allowing either to opt out to varying degrees.
Nope. Nobody is obligated to rematch. You won or lost the match, and they don't want to play again. Life happens and nobody should be forced to play an entire set.
I ALWAYS rematch unless their "five bar connection" was more like a 2 or 3 bar, but I still think it is weird to expect people to HAVE to play more matches with you. You already won or lost points, just move on.
I don't get why we have to punish people for not rematching, they're not obligated to. How about give extra points or small rewards to people who rematches.
I agree with you . most people are taking advantage of the system as well by playing a srub character and whether they win or lose a match they leave if you notice you almost winning
That happened in tekken 7 and is now carrying over to tekken 8 ... devs need to do something about this since it plagues the experience for everyone.
The whole experience of hopping online to fight randos in (optional) BO3s is just a recipe for having a shitty time. Between having to dodge wifi connections, people with awful connections anyway, people with PCs that can't run the game, and 1-and-doners it's no surprise playing online makes Aris want to swallow a chocolate gun. Even when you find a decent match, it's over after 2-3 games and you're thrown back out to wade through the muck. The ratio of time spent having fun vs frustration is awful, and a lot of that is enabled by how the devs made the game.
I think there should be a match type option added in the game. You'll have your one and done, and best 2 out of 3.
For the one and done option, you gain half exp if you win and standard exp is lost if you lose.
The 2 out of 3 option you'd gain or lose standard exp for each match win or lose. But if the player opt out they'll 1.5x exp for not committing.
Pluggers should be automatically demoted and banned for 24 hours.
Now every time I play the air sax after that one stage I’m gonna bust out laughing thinking of this video. 😂😂😂
Points shouls also be awarded for set wins not game wins. You win the set. You get the points. You leave? Your opponent gets the points. Genuine excuses to leave are few and far between and when they happen take them on the chin
Only times I leave 2/3 matches is when the player is doing some fuck shit.
Plugging is one thing but one and done is ok if: 1. The person bodied you and you want to lab the match up 2. They have a shit connection even though the game says otherwise 3. You have shit going on IRL and you have to attend to it or you need to take a break to take a piss
I can't play long sessions because my hands start to kill me if I play Tekken for prolonged sessions. I don't think anyone should be punished for being a one and done type of player on ranked.
it's a FT2, I guarantee you can hold it in for one more game. 🤣🤣🤣
@@BEDCORNwhat if you gotta take a shyt tho
Encouraging full sets with points would be cool, but *forcing* them on players is a horrible idea - not only it worsens the plugging problem by giving pluggers more time+reason to tune out early, but also makes the ranked mode less accessible for those who don't have much care for ft3, which might grow into a queue problem in the long run (as the playerbase dwindles over time). Ranked also shouldn't really be treated as a "tournamet setting" mode - its purpose is to provide a hard-SBMM experience first and foremost.
I agree ngl. But sometimes I'm mid match on pc and my game just fucking crashes. Some people obviously plug but leaving a match isn't always my fault. Damn game crashes at least once a day
my view is: ranked is designed to mimic the same competitive environment as a irl tourney. In those, if you win the first game but then gotta go cuz your cat's calling or you gotta wash your hair or whatever, you lose the set and your opponent moves on. If you agree to the FT2 format, you need to follow the rules of it.
Make it easier, under the following logic:
Make it mandatory to play 2 out of 3. If you play rank, means you agree with it.
Make it NOT so, when playing casual/player/quick match. If you are scared of losing points, if "you have to leave" or "you dont have time", that cool bro, play Quick match.
Wanna bet your points? 2 out of 3 bro.
In ranked you shouldn’t be able to select quit. You should have to sit through the set, and a dc means winner and loser are allocated correctly.
1:39 yes in LoL you get a timed penalty. 2, 5, and sometimes 25 minutes for AFK then extended too more games if excessive. This isn't accounting for bad WiFi or something.
When you are so salty you can only verbalize tears
Playing Yoshimitsu and demanding that ur opponent rematches is WILD
I hope they bring back infinite rematches, but Aris saying all matches should be best 3 out of 5 is crazy.
Yeah I’ve never felt so bad playing a fighting game on ranked. Long time FGC guy and new to Tekken ranked and it feels ridiculously bad
Agreed, been saying ranked should be 2/3 for years. Unfortunately the only one who does it is MK
You don't get punished for leaving due to business psychology. A player who plugs is already tilted, punishing him on top of that would be a financial risk and result in him quitting the game completely AKA not buying battle pass, skins, dlc chars etc. Devs know this is unacceptable but they can't do something because the suits are in charge.
It is true League punishes you for leaving, but it takes A LOT of leaving to get a real punishment. I don't know a single game that truly slaps my hands for leaving a match... But I know many games with stores and microtransactions.
Giving points is stupid. Losing points, yeah, have like a check over how many "lost connections" the alleged plugger had and penalize accordingly.
if I were on the brink of winning a match and an asshole decides to alt f4 to deny me the win, then why would it be stupid to give the points?
@@dale5654 Because it can be exploited, as it has happen with every single fighting game that did that.
@@lucastonoli3256 what's the difference tho if someone can just hold forward for three rounds to give their opponent a free win in the current system anyway? Rewarding those who got plugged won't make the win trading exploit any worse. It'll only give the players the wins they should've been getting in the first place
@@dale5654 Time (big difference), harder to prove complicity between the accounts involved (both using VPN to connect in an area with no players and shitty connection alleging repeated issues). Not to mention legitimate accidental disconnections giving you points would be bullshit
@@lucastonoli3256 then give a 30 minute timeout to the pluggers so that they can't instantly queue up again. Heck make it a day or even a week to serial pluggers. Problem solved
Also winning matches because your opponent disconnected is a thing that already exists in so many other games. Counter strike, league of legends, rocket league, and so many more. The best ability is availability.
Getting a default win because your opponent suddenly becomes unavailable to continue a match already exists in both online games and in real life sports. It wouldnt make sense for a player in tennis to not win a match after their opponent retires the match due to sustaining an injury mid match, regardless as to who was in the lead before the match stopped
Aris is wrong. I shouldn't have to do a ft2 against a guy with a toaster of a pc and play a slideshow match of tekken.
Big ups big beard man👏🏼💯
aris mad salty from getting win quit on lmfao
Question 4 anyone: Is it neccissary the game tests both connections with every single person. just to tell me, NOPE. ? Cant there be a system where it tests your net at first then places you in a sector where it works with others, there by rappidly loading me into a match with someone? The current system Just doesnt feel optimized at all.
I'll only agree with bo3 mandatory if the game will actually properly check connection quality. You can easily get a huge lag even if it shows 5 stars when you accept. If opponent is cheating by introducing lag on his end after match starts, then game sever should identify who is the source of lag and instantly close the game with that player's loss.