🔵Terrible Package Queen is killing the colony! Time to overthrow the Monarchy!
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- Warning!!! An atrocious queen is eliminated in this video. Also, the beekeepers were stung multiple times and a bunch of kittens are messing around!
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I got 2 packages from Willbanks Apiary this year and they both sucked!
One queen *was* terrible. That hive just wasn't booming at all. I took her out of that hive and threw her in a queenless NUC. For reasons I don't understand at all, she turned a complete 180 and I had to remove 1-2 frames of brood to prevent them from swarming. I've never seen that... or even heard of it before.
The other queen.... who knows. The bees threw her out instantly and ended up with laying workers. I actually managed to fix it by putting 2 crappy super frames with brood and an improvised "graft" frame. (just JZBZ cells pushed into the slot in the top for the foundation). I took the original box to the middle of the field and shook it. The older bees returned and believe it or not, my stupid plan actually worked. They cleared up the laying worker, raised a new queen, and that hive is now in good shape to winter.
Not only me it seems. A guy who bought a package at the same time lost the queen a couple of months later for no apparent reason.
Weird stuff. Packages sucked from Wilbanks this year!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes they did stink sorry bout thought!
I’m a new beekeeper this year and learning a lot from this package vs nuc series. I decided to try both a package and a nuc and got one from one local provider know by our local beekeeping group and the other from another local provider. Genetics is so important, but so is timing. I’m in DC and my package was delivered as scheduled with a local queen at the end of May. That hive is hopping, and I might have had a medium super of honey to harvest my first year if I hadn’t under ordered frames and hive bodies. I just didn’t have the stuff to add to the hive at peak nectar flow. Also the bees in the hive are super gentle. I’ve had to pinch a worker through carelessness to get stung. My package on the other hand was late. I ordered late so no one local could get me a nuc before early June, but as it was it was mid June. The nuc was 5 frame but light on bees, brood, eggs and larva. My mentor got a nuc from them at the same time and mentioned later his had a lot more of everything. Quality control can obviously be an issue too. The hive has caught on, but I’ll have to feed heavily this winter because they just weren’t full of foragers before nectar began to dwindle. The bees are also a lot more defensive.
I found most of our local suppliers have packages available before nucs, so the package has some running room so starting at the same time might not be a fair comparison. I also bought a couple frames of comb with my package which considering how much it costs to build comb is probably essential. My package supplier also sold me the comb. He is an organic beekeeper and known by a number of local beekeepers so I figured his comb would only have the same problems as his bees.
It looks like your problem packages just had weak queens, poorly mated or not as great genetics. I can’t remember if you got your packages and nucs from the same source, but even a supplier with generally good queens could have a few that don’t really connect with enough or the right drones, if they are not mechanically inseminated you can’t know the drone genetics for sure.
Just wondering where you learned to talk?
I can let your youtubes run in front of my 5 year old grandson and not be concerned about language or rather BAD language. Thank you and may God bless you in all you do may you have favor and prosper. I look forward to you informative updated and sharing your wisdom.
Wisdom is another way of saying Mistakes plus experiences resulting in success.
Thank you
have you ever worked on a construction site or in a large commercial kitchen? you will hear those folks saying things that would make sailors blush. now some may say "well i don't talk like that". work around those type of folks enough & you will change, ask me how i know.
Hey Kamon. Don't waste time with those plastic queen release cages. Make one out of #8 hardware cloth, 6 inches square, 3/4" sides. Press those 3/4" sides in all the way to the foundation so the bees can't burrow under to get in to kill her. With the the screen you can easily see in to see what she's doing etc. and they last forever if you're careful with them. I also wrap a couple of big rubber bands all the way around the frame and screen cage to make sure it stays tightly against the comb. As a beekeeper you must have a roll of #8 screen around there, it'll take you 3 minutes to cut out a chunk and bend it into a cage and it costs literally pennies.
elephantcup you’re absolutely right that is the best way to release a Queen. When she is caged she is no longer laying the hive will do a Supersedure cell. Best practice is to use a push in cell over just hatching brood they will accept her as they know no other queen.
Thank you for illustrating this for me. I’ve been wondering how to get this one queen to make more bees.
Like the new veil. It looks good. Sorry y’all got stung today. Can’t wait to see how this hive turns out. Hugs from Vicki in Ft. Worth, Texas.
I know nothing about those cages but maybe the snap into the bottom instead of through?..thanks for all your videos!
I think your right
I'm new to beekeeping and your videos have really helped me a lot. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Kamon, if I didn't know better, I'd say you were in one of my hives...exact same scenario. A problem package all spring, requeened twice....yep, same source every time....I've learned my lesson. I found a a new source of queens and hopefully will correct the problem. Great and timely video.
Great video as always thanks to you all for all you do
Thanks for showing us that Kamon.
I used to think essential oils were good for the colony, then I thought a little more about it. If I'm using them prophylactically, as a preventative to kill harmful bacteria, I'm also killing the good bacteria and actually weakening the colony. It's the good bacteria that keeps the bad bacteria in check.
"Oh my goodness, it's the queen! " Lol
FLEX... FLEX... FLEX... Then we can see them 12 packs and muscles you use to mesmerize those bees.
New hood looks great... found where the strings go. haha
Not that fond of packages. Here, up north, they don't do well. Part of the problem is they are shipped north from a warmer environment and genetically may not handle the colder climate and shorter season. I try to get local nucs and build from there.
ROFL, I love that T-shirt. I've always wondered about those introduction cages but never tried one, looks like a good idea.
Next year we should trade overwintered nucs and do a North vs South.
I'm even willing to come down to you. I think that could be a lot of fun
Is it possible for the Queen to stop laying because she knows there are lack of nectar/food to sustain a growing colony?
She may still lay but the nurse bees will cannibalize the brood if they can't support their development due to lack of nutrition
OMGOSH! A new veil!! It's too shiny. Dirty it up.
Thumbs up for the stings!
I tried one of those cages once. the bees will chew through the wax and go under it. I just make them out of hardware cloth now and press the sides down into the wax. I make it tall enough to still leave room for her to move freely.
Nice new veil.... looks so much better!!!
Yes it does look better.....I bet he gets tired of tying those strings pretty quick, I know I did.
@@hornesbee He can always cut them off!!!
@@docash2107 you can cut them off and tie some bungie on. Then you can slip it on and off real quickly. You gotta tie it with the cross in it, though. It becomes your veil and isn't adjustable...
I see your bonnet is lashed down pretty good :)
Don't have to cut videos if you have nothing to say....enjoy watching you work
They will chew the comb off to get to her and release her sooner that you think. It pays to press the cage deep into the comb. I use wire mesh. Also, smoke or lemon grass oil can confuse the house bees so that they don't go into kill mode. Great vids Kamon!
Prefect timing on the video, have a failed supercedure and need to install a queen. More straps on that veil than if you were going zip lining!
you can say that again!
I found the little queen from the supercedure (emergency or not?) I ordered a proven queen, would you replace or create a nuc with the intent of re-combining later in August? Trying not to over think it. Thanks
@@rossg87 how many bees do you have to work with. Is the little queen still a virgin or is she laying?
I like the hive tool. Where may I get one?
Kelley's bees
Do the bees fight when you take frames from other hives?
LOL, crush the queen then smoke her with your smoker, that might help your bees and their interest in stinging the white polar bear in the hive ;) just saying !! Great video Kamon, I learn lots from you experience, cheers for sharing!
I did the challenge right with you. I bought 3 nucs the same time you started. 1 queen failed right away. Another had spotty brood. And the 3rd boomed. I made a dozen splits off the one with quality queens. My original hive is still booming 6+ frames brood and the splits are doing great.
I'd be letting the seller know. Not good enough.
That's awesome on the 3rd hive! Where did you get your packages?
I like the new veil. I have one like it and it does great. You put the little stakes in the opposite side. That way they go into the comb and hold the cage in place. As you have it now they will stick in the adjacent frame. It may cause the adjacent frame to stick and when you pull one of those two frames out it may release the queen.
Thanks Al!
Usually about half a dozen large variety dragonflies haunting my bee yard and helplessly watched them take out a mating flight. Is there a way to gauge roughly when a mating flight will happen and stand by with birdshot?
Unfortunately, there is not a way. but whacking dragonflies with birdshot would make great youtube material
@@kamonreynolds I'll let you know if I do it.
Aww the kittens!!!!
dang you get up early, sorry for asking so many questions, I watched your video on splitting and looks like you answered it. I am just going to shake a lot of bees in there as soon as the sun comes up. Being its a new location they should stay im hoping, but old hive is 2 ft a way so I feel like that scent may draw some back. ill post back next week and let you now how my first split is going. So much more nerve racking actually doing it to your bees vs watching videos of it. but it will be all good, they have so many bees brood and eggs I could re try soon if this fails anyway, just can't get caught up in messing up.
Good luck!
@@kamonreynolds Thank you, I went to go shake some in but there was a lot more than I thought in there. They couldnt handle anymore I didnt think. I put the mated queen in there 12 hours later and they accepted her and within 30 seconds had the whole hive fanning. Was really tempting just to open her cage and let her out, but just going to wait and let them release her I guess. Just want her laying now lol!
@@kamonreynolds But you really should set a patreon account, I understand if you don't think the idea of people just giving you money , but im sure there are a lot of subscribers willing to support you and the channel.
I am really enjoying the package vs Nuc Challange, and playing 'spot the cat"
Good video thank you
For some reason I'm finding my hives with 4 to 5 frames of pollen but yet very little brood. A few had supercedure cells and one had an emerged swarm cell. Dont have queens on hand so I guess we will see how they work it out.
Such a bad Queen. Why do you suppose the hive didn't supersede her?
Just my 2 cents. The package producers don't allow for the queens to lay for anytime in the mating nucs to let their female parts expand, as soon as they see eggs they shake em and go. I have never had any luck with introduction cages like you shown the bees always find a way to chew underneath even on plastic foundation - Regards
Great vid again........
Nosema in pkgs? I had a case q was laying fine workers were removing eggs making crap pattern.
Nozevit and hbh home made with kitchen sink thrown in tea tree, cinnamon, thyme
Grear recovery. Sometime q gets it rhen hive tool test.
You have the best instructional vids out there. Way to go
Thanx to the camera lady she does a great job.
Thx Laurel.
Billy Bee I use an antibiotic but those bees aren’t feeling so well. IMHO
@@lenoretalon9958
Tests have shown nosema comes back 10x on antibiotics. Antibiotics take over a year to fully flush out nosema
Cheers.
Why not a push in cage?
How do you like your new veil vs the old one? Is there still hope for this hive?
We shall see but it is probably more trouble than it is worth
New veil well.... Pros and cons
Have you thought about Weaver queens?
another great video
Kamon, wouldn't you shrink that colony to 1 box? It's abysmal!
It's been my experience that people selling these queens and nucs stretch the truth sometimes about their stock and say they are 'local and over wintered when in fact they are ordered from larger operations. Thank you for putting this info out about the inferior genetics for new beekeepers!
It would be better if I shrank the colony down. Likely do that in the next installment.
5 Stars! excellent!!
Where did you get the cage ? thought you said Kelly but i couldnt locate it
www.kelleybees.com/queen-introduction-cage.html
I got it at the kelley store but most of that is mann lake gear now.
wow this is fascinating
It hurts real bad and gets super swollen the next day when I get stung. Don't know how you just act normal like that. Great video though, would you recommend using this push in cage or the traditional one?
Had a very similar situation earlier this summer with a package queen. The hive was nearly gone, and I couldn't get a queen that I thought would be any better. Fortune smiled on me a swarm moved in and that hive is going gang busters now! Great video Kamon, appreciate all of them.
Thanks !!
Timely info, thinking I mite have to replace my "factory" Italian queen...how late in the season is it practical to do this? And any suggestions regarding what type might be good for a northern climate (Montana)...I was told a Russian or Russian/Italian hybrid? (go easy on me, folks...I'm a newbee, and it seems the more research I'm doing the more conflicting info I'm getting...ack!)
if that's plastic foundation you will need a hammer, maybee
A colony is not a monarchy
Kamen Reynolds what type of honeybee's do you have
These packages are italians. My queens are italian and carni mixed together.
LoL @ your shirt
My wife got the shirt for me! No, really she did! If she found out that I said that she was more likely to rip it off of me (than me ripping it) this would be my last video, so I am not going to say that!
LMAO
Is she Italian queen?
The old one was this new one is a carni of ours
Kamon, good video and good looking new vail. I see that you knew or figured out those strings. I don’t think that you will be putting the new one on near as quick as you put the old one on unless you do away with those strings! RTR! Just 6 weeks from today!
Put pegs in before, and add propolis or wax around the door to seal it better,or it may fall off, some don't fit snug.. anyway you said these bees are "Out of Balance" ...I have 3 hives (new queens) act like that running all over comb retarded like, to itching to sting- That's what's wrong ! I couldn't figure out why they so stressed acting,their outta balance,makes senseThanks