@@RomaNepl welp But until they show a playable model for the other 4 their dates are unknown All we know is that the ever flame mansion has been scattered
Watching this after having done it myself, it's interesting that Acheron can't necessarily see Clockie, but can at least sense his presence, suggesting she might not be the villain Aventurine is suggesting she is.
@@jakaseptaI think you missed their point. Firefly also has a character model, and is presumably playable. Mina was saying that Firefly can’t be dead because she is likely a playable character. The commenter was saying that we already have a dead playable character in Tingyun to counter mina’s copium.
According to the model of the five stages of grief those experiencing grief go through five emotions: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
My theory in this Firefly and Robin situation. When Sunday talk about spiritual deaths, i realize when we are fighting "Death" there is a mechanic where it kills our characters and capture their spirit, i think this is exactly what happen to Firefly and Robin, also when we kill the one who took our character spirit in the fight it returns to the body and revived. Maybe in 2.1 or 2.2 it will be revealed and i hope the new trailblazer path power was the key on this one.
As for Mina's copuim, it's totally possible that Sam is the combined identity of Firefly and "mecha," an on-board ai in the suit itself akin to Cortana in halo or Jarvis in iron man. We also know that you dont need the hotel to enter the dreamscape. So it's possible Firefly fell asleep inside the armor, and the ai inside the armor also entered the dreamville with her. Is this copuim probably, but it does make sense
well i mean- the main comment didn't really state anything about pronouns So i understand your frustration, like is this even necessary? It is! just- not in this type of situation yeah i could see how annoying it would be, but like you know. it's fun facts? it's not exactly fun, it's a nitpick but well.. Right i think it's better if i stop commenting
@@TheZWolfHe already know that but doesn't matter for him, that's the better part of Otto's character, he's aware of everything but nothing can stop him from bringing her back to life..."not even God"
It's funny you can tell by several hints that sparkle gives early on that it's not the real sampo talking with you. The first one is that she mistakes Firefly for March, and the second is that she refers to herself as only Sampo. whereas the actual man always says his last name. Also, you wouldn't know this at the time, but sampo, by this point, has already left Penacony to retrieve his mask from the Tavern. In conclusion, i absolutely love sparkle and will be bringing her home asap.
Firefly Symbol: Fireflies remind us that it's the small, simple things in life that matter the most. They inspire us to take a moment to slow down, ground ourselves in the moment, and appreciate all that surrounds us. if Firefly doesn't represent this than i don't know what does, she appreciates everything that comes her way and lives every moment to the fullest
Mina, I thought you already knew what Shaoji can cook, remember, he killed of Himeko and was the Main Writer for most, if not all of Hi3 saddest chapters/arcs And with that creative freedom, Shaoji could do it again, especially when he basically killed off Himeko when we have known nothing about her, apart from some basic personality at first, with her personality being flesh out by later chapters when we get flashbacks of her Mina, you must now understand In Penacony, anyone could die, with Shaoji in the helm of Penacony
@@ironheadedDoF yeah, I read it too, and I'm sure that Welt would do everything in his power to not allow Himeko to die after all I'am sure that he would do everything to protect Himeko(and of course I'm sure he would, since Kiana would be gunning for his ass if he didn't saved her)
I think the balcony scene Is such a good at representation of the theme of dreams and reality in Penacony. The Golden Hour behind you, a city in an eternal night where reality bends and people live out their greatest desires. In front of you is the dawning of a new day, confronting you with the harsh reality that even through time stands still in the dream there's still an inevitable future looming in the distance. Then there's the two of you, literally at the dreams edge, the precipice of a beautiful dream and a harsh reality. Idk I just really liked that scene and I'm trying to find ways to like it more.
Since you brought up the firefly sam thing ill repost a list of evidence the community is gathering. Glammoth is one of the known planets destroyed by the swarm Firefly planet was destroyed by the swarm. Glammoth Empress was named "Titania". You know. The Fairy Queen. Firefly has lots of fairy things on her design. Soldiers from Glammoth had short life spam, because they were made from remains of the swarm. Firefly has a lot of combat knowledge for a little girl. Her life is meant to be short due to a Terminal Illness she has since birth. The swarm explode on Death. Firefly exploded when she got killed. Glammoth was destroyed by the Swarm. Glammoth soldiers donned silver armor that only them could pilot. The Glammoth orb has a Knight similar to Sam. Sam is obsessed with adquiring/extending "Life", that's why he's with Elio and the Stellaron Hunters. When Firefly died, Sam went on a Rampage. Her dream was of a scourched earth. in the trailer sam has wings the same colour as her dress. she also doesn't mention the hunters when listing the factions.
There was something i just realized by watching this in english, that line from Sam after Black Swan's ult was confusing in spanish, now i get that sam was talking about herself Why herself? Bcs while in english Stellaron Hunter is a gender neutral term in spanish sam said Cazadora de Estelaron... so yeah maybe Mina wasn't coping that much😅
The question is, even if the "real firefly" or "other firefly" is inside the armor, is she gonna be the same kind girl that we love?😢 It's Otto and Kaslana clones all over again😢
I've been thinking about what Acheron said at the beginning of this Trailblaze mission, and I feel like everything moving forward is only downhill from here.
1:37:00 "Eternal Golden Braid" is a reference to a book that talks about loops, self-reference, and optical illusions like the dream's eye in Penacony. Search up M.C Escher, and you'll see artwork that is very similar to what's depicted in many of Penacony's illusions in HSR. I'm honestly amazed that HSR devs knew such an obscure book LMAO.
I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but during that scene with Acheron and Misha, did anyone else notice that no one actually address him directly? Looking at other dialogue and the Jp/CN dialogues(wherr the he mentioned by the thugs is actually "she", it seems like no one actually saw Misha besides the MC.
Sampo saying _It is nothing like the techy junk you see in Punklorde_ to Firefly is already a clue or foreshadowing about her real identity. EDIT: Also, the fact that clockie can manipulate people's emotion makes me think that he's the watchmaker's legacy. Misha is just some sort of Guardian.
About the part you mentioned about the Herrscher of Finality, that was a good connection from Mina. But I would like to point out that the Herrscher of Finality was Kiana, Mei was the Herrscher of Origin.
am I the only one who finds Firefly knowing about the invitation letter (like how does she know about the "Why does life slumber?" question???)and who was invited to Penacony like Sparkle or Black Swan extremely sus??
So I found this from a reddit post and I find it very intresting: The Emanator's are Living beings, therefore the Sword would need to be a Living being. The only difference I could see that if she unsheats the blade, she starts going serious with her power. Remember, even against Sam she didnt unsheath the sword in the cutscene. That gives further evidence that the sword is related to how serious she is. Small reminder also, that the hilt is RED with the Gem and the Sheath is purple, which hides maybe a red Blade. Therefore, If she unsheaths her blade, she could unleash her Emanator Power. Another thing is she calls herself "Acheron" but its confirmed in the drip marketing that this is not her usual name. Acheron is in greek mythology the river of Sorrow and Pain, So "Something Unto Death" might be the manifestation of Acherons accumulated Sorrow and Pain around the deaths. Furthermore, her Hilt as the Nihility gem on it are RED, this symbol can be seen when we use the Aeon Dice of Nihility in Gold and Gears or Swarm Disaster, therefore its linked To Acheron and the Aeon IX (Nihility) which would suit the Nihility Path she follows. She also has extreme tendencies on Nihility, the monochrome world being "the black and white void" where nothingness resides. Also, The Path of Nihility Is awakened by lore to anyone who feels at one point that life is ultimately meaningless BUT its stated that The Path of Nihility has members who try to show the Aeon "IX" That there is meaning if you give it (existentialism). Acheron has given many signs of Nihilistic view. As an example "May Death be the end of your boundless dream" implicating that even in a boundless dream, your Death is predestined and its futile to evade it. - Famous_Ad4747
Because everyone in the comments is gonna be talking about the thing, I'm gonna call attention to some of the happier moments Impressing your GF: 11:15 Firefly reacting to being called beautiful: 1:14:37 Firefly flustered over her and Stelle's "date" (come on Mina, you know her denial is just her being shy): 1:18:39 Selfie with the Firefly: 2:12:13
Guys, I think is time to start our Otto arc don't you think? Edit: by the way, if you come back to the place you took the selfie with her there is a secret achievement
Here's my list of my emotions through out this: When i saw HI3 writer in the stream: I have a bad feeling about this.... When HI3 writer says he's in charge during stream: Oh... No... *flashback* After playing When writer said: "it's a wholesome and uplifting" me: ~~wHy ThE HeLL You Lyin🎵🎵💃💃 Mina saying "they said it's wholesome story" me be like: you know who's behind this right? After seeing the two scenes it reminded of a certain someone: Welp.... Were going Thus spoke apocalypse with this one Bois!!!
I wanna see you eye to eye chief i dont think it will be, but if it is, ill be using every single trailblaze power that i have To kill it, over and over and over and over again, and if its a weekly boss even better
The boss monster itself is called Death. Their ability reaps the soul of its target which you have to hit and free their souls. These characters are essentially dead until the soul is freed.
Penacony "Robin & Sunday" theory: The one that sent the invitation was not the "The Family" but rather Sunday himself using his authority while as he plans to make all the guests have a play on reviving the Watchmaker "The watchmaker" is speculating to be dead but Sunday has plans to revive him and bring good news (Funeral) to him Robin was invented by Sunday for her to sing at the charmony festival to "brainwash" people to join and stay at the dreamscape or for others plan as the charmony festival is the center of this event Welt & March pointed out that Robin's voiced was roughed and that she may not be able to sing to her fullnest, most people think this because Robin was already dead and that Sparkle disguised as her but for me, I think is because Robin felt guilt knowing that she is planned to do. We see that Robin has the ability to calm or manipulate people's mind just like how she calms MC when they first arrive to Golden Hour. This probably allign to her Harmony Power (Emanator of Harmony?) but she stays to true the most on Harmony path which makes her not as manipulative as her brother, Sunday. Could not bear the guilt, she "faked" her death to escape from the responsibility, probably planned with Acheron as her "dead" body looks like it was slashed by a sword. This caused Aventurine to suspect Acheron as the culprit and not the Stellaron Hunter: Sam.
PART 2!!! I'm can't wait I want version 2.1 now! Who knows? Because Acheron is one of the banners we might even get to see her reveal her emanator identity!
3:39:44 "This world is at chaos. It is neither fair nor sensible. It wrongs heroes and breeds scum. It is rife with ugliness without a trace of beauty." Wise words by a desperate man. Now I am desperate. Thus.. "To save the one and only her, I can only create new possibilities in the past."
i think your on to something with firefly being Sam, her planet was destroyed, she can not move because her perception is to slow so shes need to be in a machine to live on and her name is firefly something that burns his life away, also robin turn in to bubbles but she became water , maybe a avatar of sorts. sam is from garmoth legion, their planet burn completely in war and hes a genetic enhanced warrior. there was a anime they made girls with issues and specially abilities into machines to fight a war. maybe just maybe your right.
"We haven't see Firefly and Sam in the same room" because Sam is not invited to penacony, Firefly is. That's why the Bloodhounds is searching for an Intruder which is Sam and they doesn't know that Firefly and Sam is the same person(it's not confirmed yet either). But about Mina theory that Firefly intentionally killed herself so she can swap to Sam does make sense. Well who knows. We'll wait and see, so exciting! xd
@@grandcanon27 yep the logic should be like that because Firefly is invited, take a look again at the end of the 1.6 live stream (?) I don't remember, the one where they show who the Harmony family invited to Penacony.
@@mr.applejuice8546 She is invited, just take a look at one of the live stream where Sunday and Albert the Owl talking about Penacony, they show the list of the invited guest
I still like how "firefly is SAM" theory gets so much traction because it would mean Firefly is 8 feet tall mecha, not the sweet girl trapped in memo space. I personally am going Acheron connection and her "forgetfulness", also Misha in that one scene being there but no one except MC acknowleding him.
1:11:12 That was uncalled for ;-; 1:14:39 This woman is gay in every universe 1:17:38 Fun fact, in the french sub, her exact words are "Shortly after we parted, I found myself in a ballroom. A woman with a back veil invited me to dance. It was my first ever dance. An unforgettable experience." A bit different than the dub but even more gay. (It could also be a different dialogue option idk, I took the"The elegant Memokeeper?" option too)
During rooftop moment, Firefly mentioned all other power except Stellaron Hunter, so I guess she may be working for them. This is logical as we see how SAM appeared at the end of the remembrance search which means SAM may also be searching for Firefly. Maybe MC would work with SAM to save Firefly in 2.1 /2.2…😊
I think hotarus plan was to fake her death to test if she was immune to being killed by death. But mecha didn't want that to happen so he locked her in that room initially
Firefly also said that she saw a dream with a sapling among a scorched earth. And you know where can we see this sapling? It's Ruan Mei's flower on top of the Sam's head. That's deeper than it seems. For real though, I think there is so many small details that point at the theory of Firefly and Sam being a one physical entity, that I'm almost sure in it now. Even if their personalities are separate.
Hmmm 2 people killed, 1 stowaway and singer If firefly is Sam's pilot. Hint from White night video Sam has firefly color palette there is a possibility firefly slept while wearing Sam entering the dreamscape. so in firefly dream inside the dreamscape she and Sam might became separate entity from one another. in firefly dream bubble she mentioned ''mecha'' 4:03:53 hint that maybe some sort of transformation ritual but Sam refused. this is all my take😅
1:30:24 apparently the dialogue was much more hostile and the localization slightly watered it down. I saw someone directly translate it from chinese on twit and it was kinda wild. I kinda wish they went with the one to one translation bc that shit woulda been so funny. They probably expected the twitter backlash though so they eased up
Honkai fans in a situation like this like to mention that there were a lot of deaths in Honkai Impact. But let me ask how many of these deaths were specifically PLAYABLE characters. I’ll note right away that Flamechasers DO NOT COUNT, because according to the lore they were all dead 50k years ago, and in the plot of Elysium Realm, generally died their “digital versions”. But it was dramatic, I agree. And of the playable characters in the current time, only Himeko died, if my memory serves me correctly, i.e. just ONE playable character (correct me if I forgot anyone other than Himeko). Therefore, I am inclined to believe that in the plot of Penaconia no one will be killed for REAL. Yes, there may be “temporary” deaths, but then eventually, according to the plot, all PLAYABLE characters will be brought back to life through some plot twist. I.e, there will be a kind of heightened drama at the beginning and with “temporary” deaths in order to tickle the players’ emotions, but at the same time remain something in between in this parameter between Honkai Impact 3rd and Genshin Impact. In the end, all these supposedly dead characters will then write to us via SMS after they appear in the gacha, and this is illogical if they are dead according to the lore. In addition, some kind of companion quests will have to go with them, and with dead characters according to the lore, you can’t think of much, except for some flashback, which not everyone will like, and even in some future events you can’t put him anymore, because he’s dead).
"If i can stop one heart from breaking" that song title was on my mind for a while , it reminded me of something similar and it recently came to me, it was The Midnight - Heart Worth Breaking and the main lyric there was "I just wanna have a heart worth breaking" Just thinking about these two lines made bust out the waterfalls.
Man Stelle/Caelus just csnt get a break. First time they cried was when they woke up from a dream second time is here, whens the third time?! When someone else dies?! Wait a minute.....
HEARTWARMING AND WHOLESOME STORY
Jjk ass writing
Yes very 🙃
2 down there’s many more to go
@@-renz-175First forgotten by Nanook, now forgotten by the players 💀
There's a hole in someone's heart that's for sure
When Mina said "I cant even simp right now", that must be a f-ed up situation 😭
"ok she's really pretty though" like 15 seconds later lmaooo
mina was stopped from simping for an entire 15 seconds. That situation really was serious
Heartwarming = The blood bleeding out of the heart
Uplifting = uplifted to the air before getting pierced
"They can't kill character models!"
Tingyun: 🙃
I mean, she's still playable
I think she means like they have playable character models, but they're killed off before they became playable
@@goldshot754Cocolia is only the main boss in this game so if Firefly dies she will become playable and she has a sword
@@goldshot754 The main boss in Belobog dude is of course not playable, it has been written by hoyoverse 😅
The emoji 💀
@@Acheron1996Kafka, Yanqing, Gepard, and Bronya are playable bosses
When Mina said she loved Firefly and Robin the most, I knew her reaction would be epic lolol
Now you're also a follower of the path of Apocalypse
Path of Apoclaypse playstyle be like:
AOE to all enemies and your teammates
@@fr0ck360 Sounds like Jingliu with less steps
I just want to point out that at 3:39:00, this is the second time that Stelle cried. She might as well follow the path of Nihility if this keeps up.
What was the first time again?
@@emberthecatgirl8796when Stelle woke up from a dream with acheron
Hate to say this but... She'll get Harmony soon instead. Not from Xipe ok, but someone else. Well, based on leak. Don't know how tho...
Well, considering that eventually she supposed to have power of all paths, Nihility is not out of question
@@titaniusanglsmith2764 yea she will.
Constance : What if we all end up dead?
Akash : Since when does the annihilation gang fear death
Acheron : Is that a challenge?
Ifrit: the annihilation begins
Acheron: you mean your annihilation
Acheron low-key signora'ed all 5 of them lol
@@tencive5749 They said that only the ifrit died
Dubra: still it is wise to plan ahead father What is our fallback if things become perilous
Ifrit: fall back ? My ass
@@RomaNepl welp
But until they show a playable model for the other 4 their dates are unknown
All we know is that the ever flame mansion has been scattered
It's true that this story is "heartwarming", but the way it makes our hearts beat is not because of happiness, it's both a shock and a sadness😞
Bittersweet is the word you're looking for
Heartwarming using a blast furnace
heart-warning
Don't forget the anger and the DOOM ost playing in our heads
Heart warming? More like Heart Scorching
Stelle: “PAIN WILL COME WITH THE BLADE”
Something Unto Death: “If you say so”
Watching this after having done it myself, it's interesting that Acheron can't necessarily see Clockie, but can at least sense his presence, suggesting she might not be the villain Aventurine is suggesting she is.
Now we know she can't see him because she's not a nameless
3:42:35 "She has a character model"
Tingyun: I am joke to you?
Tingyun is playable, so her character model is still used at the end of the day. A good one to say that line should be Cocolia instead of Tingyun.
Himeko
@@enju3588not yet
Tingyun 🙃
@@jakaseptaI think you missed their point. Firefly also has a character model, and is presumably playable. Mina was saying that Firefly can’t be dead because she is likely a playable character. The commenter was saying that we already have a dead playable character in Tingyun to counter mina’s copium.
According to the model of the five stages of grief those experiencing grief go through five emotions: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
this is me seeing firefly's death and mina still at denial stage
I'm not leaving the first stage without HI3 Himenko.
I'm actually impressed seeing this play out in realtime with many streamers after that event
The stages of grief are more a list of possible symptoms and not necessarily in any particular order.
What about the narrative argument copium stage?
My theory in this Firefly and Robin situation. When Sunday talk about spiritual deaths, i realize when we are fighting "Death" there is a mechanic where it kills our characters and capture their spirit, i think this is exactly what happen to Firefly and Robin, also when we kill the one who took our character spirit in the fight it returns to the body and revived. Maybe in 2.1 or 2.2 it will be revealed and i hope the new trailblazer path power was the key on this one.
It would be too disney, but probably you right
@@nyrhog3740 would gladly snort that disney class copium
As for Mina's copuim, it's totally possible that Sam is the combined identity of Firefly and "mecha," an on-board ai in the suit itself akin to Cortana in halo or Jarvis in iron man. We also know that you dont need the hotel to enter the dreamscape. So it's possible Firefly fell asleep inside the armor, and the ai inside the armor also entered the dreamville with her. Is this copuim probably, but it does make sense
Congrats to Firefly's VA, they did an awesome job with her!
I was expecting the story to be sad, but not like that💀💀
Bruh she did an amazing lol man they is used for a group of people isn't it
They/Them is also a neutral pronoun, and the VA stated in their twitter bio that they use they/them, not she/her!
@@hoya8968 🙄
well i mean- the main comment didn't really state anything about pronouns
So i understand your frustration, like is this even necessary?
It is!
just- not in this type of situation
yeah i could see how annoying it would be, but like you know.
it's fun facts?
it's not exactly fun, it's a nitpick but well..
Right i think it's better if i stop commenting
@@hoya8968oh that rules and amazing to know!
3:38:40 Otto was never wrong...
WE BECOMING THE MAIN VILLAIN WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Its ottover...
Defeat Otto
Understand Otto
Become Otto
Surpass Otto
We can surpass Otto
Otto did something that would've upset the person he did it for instead of living his life
@@TheZWolfHe already know that but doesn't matter for him, that's the better part of Otto's character, he's aware of everything but nothing can stop him from bringing her back to life..."not even God"
The Honkai experience is alive and well... Depression for everyone.
the live show for 2.0 had the writer of Penacony... same writer as Honkai Chapter 9. Y'all could have expected this IMPACT.
2:02:20
3:38:00
We're all here to suffer
she only died in the dreamscape she's not dead lol
@@kiniro8553are you sure about that?
@@kiniro8553 Well Sunday said that "Death" is capable of bringing spiritual death so I don't know about that.
@@DarkDragon-tu7yc we only saw her 1 hour total prior to that if they killed her for real that just doesn't make sense, we don't care enough yet
@@kiniro8553knowing shaoji, shes definitely coming back alright, but shes dying for a second time
It's funny you can tell by several hints that sparkle gives early on that it's not the real sampo talking with you. The first one is that she mistakes Firefly for March, and the second is that she refers to herself as only Sampo. whereas the actual man always says his last name. Also, you wouldn't know this at the time, but sampo, by this point, has already left Penacony to retrieve his mask from the Tavern. In conclusion, i absolutely love sparkle and will be bringing her home asap.
Shaoji lies as easily as he breathes
Firefly Symbol: Fireflies remind us that it's the small, simple things in life that matter the most. They inspire us to take a moment to slow down, ground ourselves in the moment, and appreciate all that surrounds us.
if Firefly doesn't represent this than i don't know what does, she appreciates everything that comes her way and lives every moment to the fullest
also fireflies are known for their short life span.
Firefly represents the small light/dream in a city filled with dazzling lights
Also the moment we spent with Firefly was fleeting. Literally a night with her but it was one we'd remember for a lifetime.
A eerily fitting name
My heart grew by 3 sizes that day, and then shrank by 6, imploding into a blackhole in which no love could escape.
Mina, I thought you already knew what Shaoji can cook, remember, he killed of Himeko and was the Main Writer for most, if not all of Hi3 saddest chapters/arcs
And with that creative freedom, Shaoji could do it again, especially when he basically killed off Himeko when we have known nothing about her, apart from some basic personality at first, with her personality being flesh out by later chapters when we get flashbacks of her
Mina, you must now understand
In Penacony, anyone could die, with Shaoji in the helm of Penacony
And Star Rail Himeko is still not safe!
@@ironheadedDoF not just Himeko, Welt too as well
@@markjustinbultron7371 I read the Alien Space web manga... much of Welt's crossover to star rail was the threat to a different Himeko.
@@ironheadedDoF yeah, I read it too, and I'm sure that Welt would do everything in his power to not allow Himeko to die after all
I'am sure that he would do everything to protect Himeko(and of course I'm sure he would, since Kiana would be gunning for his ass if he didn't saved her)
"he killed off himeko"
Shaoji: "wanna see me do it again?"
This is the beginning of our Otto apocalypse Arc.
I think the balcony scene Is such a good at representation of the theme of dreams and reality in Penacony.
The Golden Hour behind you, a city in an eternal night where reality bends and people live out their greatest desires.
In front of you is the dawning of a new day, confronting you with the harsh reality that even through time stands still in the dream there's still an inevitable future looming in the distance.
Then there's the two of you, literally at the dreams edge, the precipice of a beautiful dream and a harsh reality.
Idk I just really liked that scene and I'm trying to find ways to like it more.
4:36:58
THAT'S RIGHT!!!!!!!! YOU GET NOTHING!!!!!!! YOU LOSE!!!!!!
GOOD DAY MINA!!!!! I SAID GOOD DAY!!!!!!
are you okay…?
apparently not.@@jeremywinst
I dont think any of us are after this chapter
@jeremywinston221 it's a Willy Wonka quote
@@jeremywinst are you okay… Annie?
Since you brought up the firefly sam thing ill repost a list of evidence the community is gathering.
Glammoth is one of the known planets destroyed by the swarm
Firefly planet was destroyed by the swarm.
Glammoth Empress was named "Titania". You know. The Fairy Queen.
Firefly has lots of fairy things on her design.
Soldiers from Glammoth had short life spam, because they were made from remains of the swarm.
Firefly has a lot of combat knowledge for a little girl.
Her life is meant to be short due to a Terminal Illness she has since birth.
The swarm explode on Death.
Firefly exploded when she got killed.
Glammoth was destroyed by the Swarm.
Glammoth soldiers donned silver armor that only them could pilot.
The Glammoth orb has a Knight similar to Sam.
Sam is obsessed with adquiring/extending "Life", that's why he's with Elio and the Stellaron Hunters.
When Firefly died, Sam went on a Rampage.
Her dream was of a scourched earth.
in the trailer sam has wings the same colour as her dress.
she also doesn't mention the hunters when listing the factions.
There was something i just realized by watching this in english, that line from Sam after Black Swan's ult was confusing in spanish, now i get that sam was talking about herself
Why herself?
Bcs while in english Stellaron Hunter is a gender neutral term in spanish sam said Cazadora de Estelaron... so yeah maybe Mina wasn't coping that much😅
I didn't know this was an actual running theory But the more I learn abt it the more sense it makes LOL
I don’t buy the theory that they are the same person. But it can be easily explained that Firefly is Glammoth Royalty.
@@影-j7f Yeah wasnt Sam literally walking alongside Firefly and following too?
The question is, even if the "real firefly" or "other firefly" is inside the armor, is she gonna be the same kind girl that we love?😢
It's Otto and Kaslana clones all over again😢
Every night brings a dream but the day relentlessly keeps me awake
I've been thinking about what Acheron said at the beginning of this Trailblaze mission, and I feel like everything moving forward is only downhill from here.
"even if you lose everything you hold dear, would you still move forward?"
1:37:00 "Eternal Golden Braid" is a reference to a book that talks about loops, self-reference, and optical illusions like the dream's eye in Penacony. Search up M.C Escher, and you'll see artwork that is very similar to what's depicted in many of Penacony's illusions in HSR. I'm honestly amazed that HSR devs knew such an obscure book LMAO.
I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but during that scene with Acheron and Misha, did anyone else notice that no one actually address him directly?
Looking at other dialogue and the Jp/CN dialogues(wherr the he mentioned by the thugs is actually "she", it seems like no one actually saw Misha besides the MC.
and to add on, ‘Misha’ is a shorter version of a russian name ‘Mikhail’, so the whole episode about Mikhail could actually about him
remembers "Sam and the firefly" book and remember blade text message to mc spamming emoticons with sw saying later that it was sam that time....
I feel like its copium but i will happily cop
YOUR TIMING IS PERFECTION
The start of Trailblazer's descent on the path of Destruction. So that they can eventually defeat and replace Nanook as the Aeon of Destruction.
Sampo saying _It is nothing like the techy junk you see in Punklorde_ to Firefly is already a clue or foreshadowing about her real identity.
EDIT: Also, the fact that clockie can manipulate people's emotion makes me think that he's the watchmaker's legacy. Misha is just some sort of Guardian.
"wholesome and positive story"
i noticed how firefly mentions scorched earth as well as sam in his ult (definitely not copium)
Love how Mina sang a bit of Nightglow before witnessing Robin's bathtub session.
Never letttt u go...
First ch 9 then ch 31...
With Sparkle: "she's insane I kinda love her."
With Aventurine: "he's sus I hate him."
Only one Is hiding who they are. Makes the different.
MC: Start the train Pom-pom we're going to the Imaginary Tree!
Mr Yang where is the void archieve
@@7PebblesReportedMr yang: not again
* express crashes against irminsul* *leaks forbidden knowledge*
SO HEARTWARMING, MY HEART IS BROKEN NOW, FIREFLYYY.....
About the part you mentioned about the Herrscher of Finality, that was a good connection from Mina.
But I would like to point out that the Herrscher of Finality was Kiana, Mei was the Herrscher of Origin.
Holy, the EN voice is so emotional, I just knew
am I the only one who finds Firefly knowing about the invitation letter (like how does she know about the "Why does life slumber?" question???)and who was invited to Penacony like Sparkle or Black Swan extremely sus??
Welcome to the REAL Honkai Story Experience Everyone
So I found this from a reddit post and I find it very intresting: The Emanator's are Living beings, therefore the Sword would need to be a Living being. The only difference I could see that if she unsheats the blade, she starts going serious with her power. Remember, even against Sam she didnt unsheath the sword in the cutscene. That gives further evidence that the sword is related to how serious she is. Small reminder also, that the hilt is RED with the Gem and the Sheath is purple, which hides maybe a red Blade. Therefore, If she unsheaths her blade, she could unleash her Emanator Power. Another thing is she calls herself "Acheron" but its confirmed in the drip marketing that this is not her usual name. Acheron is in greek mythology the river of Sorrow and Pain, So "Something Unto Death" might be the manifestation of Acherons accumulated Sorrow and Pain around the deaths. Furthermore, her Hilt as the Nihility gem on it are RED, this symbol can be seen when we use the Aeon Dice of Nihility in Gold and Gears or Swarm Disaster, therefore its linked To Acheron and the Aeon IX (Nihility) which would suit the Nihility Path she follows. She also has extreme tendencies on Nihility, the monochrome world being "the black and white void" where nothingness resides.
Also, The Path of Nihility Is awakened by lore to anyone who feels at one point that life is ultimately meaningless BUT its stated that The Path of Nihility has members who try to show the Aeon "IX" That there is meaning if you give it (existentialism). Acheron has given many signs of Nihilistic view. As an example "May Death be the end of your boundless dream" implicating that even in a boundless dream, your Death is predestined and its futile to evade it. - Famous_Ad4747
Congratulations, you were right 🎉
Because everyone in the comments is gonna be talking about the thing, I'm gonna call attention to some of the happier moments
Impressing your GF: 11:15
Firefly reacting to being called beautiful: 1:14:37
Firefly flustered over her and Stelle's "date" (come on Mina, you know her denial is just her being shy): 1:18:39
Selfie with the Firefly: 2:12:13
"Heartwarming and Uplifting Story" my ass😭
That's literally what I said the moment it ended
hey, uplifting for Firefly. you see her get launched that high up?
@cobaltordinaire5219 Just because you're right doesn't make you right.
I mean a heart is warm when it's open to the air.
Guys, I think is time to start our Otto arc don't you think?
Edit: by the way, if you come back to the place you took the selfie with her there is a secret achievement
Man the amount of denial at the end of this video was insane... and I'm in denial too
Here's my list of my emotions through out this:
When i saw HI3 writer in the stream: I have a bad feeling about this....
When HI3 writer says he's in charge during stream: Oh... No... *flashback*
After playing
When writer said: "it's a wholesome and uplifting" me: ~~wHy ThE HeLL You Lyin🎵🎵💃💃
Mina saying "they said it's wholesome story" me be like: you know who's behind this right?
After seeing the two scenes it reminded of a certain someone: Welp.... Were going Thus spoke apocalypse with this one Bois!!!
The same guy who made "The Final Lesson" and crafted Himeko's death in Honkai Impact 3rd.
@@ShapeshifterOSElysian realm too ,)
Hoyo: HEARTS! ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN!
Meanwhile a certain funeral palor director is pounding on the hotel's gate screaming "LET ME IN!!"
Can't Wait for the death meme thing comes as a material boss and so I can go and say
Where you go I go
What you see I see.
Same I wanna avenge Firefly
I wanna see you eye to eye chief i dont think it will be, but if it is, ill be using every single trailblaze power that i have To kill it, over and over and over and over again, and if its a weekly boss even better
The boss monster itself is called Death. Their ability reaps the soul of its target which you have to hit and free their souls. These characters are essentially dead until the soul is freed.
Penacony "Robin & Sunday" theory:
The one that sent the invitation was not the "The Family" but rather Sunday himself using his authority while as
he plans to make all the guests have a play on reviving the Watchmaker
"The watchmaker" is speculating to be dead but Sunday has plans to revive him and bring good news (Funeral) to him
Robin was invented by Sunday for her to sing at the charmony festival to "brainwash" people to join and stay at the dreamscape or for others plan as the charmony festival is the center of this event
Welt & March pointed out that Robin's voiced was roughed and that she may not be able to sing to her fullnest, most people think this because Robin was already dead and that Sparkle disguised as her but for me, I think is because Robin felt guilt knowing that she is planned to do.
We see that Robin has the ability to calm or manipulate people's mind just like how she calms MC when they first arrive to Golden Hour. This probably allign to her Harmony Power (Emanator of Harmony?) but she stays to true the most on Harmony path which makes her not as manipulative as her brother, Sunday.
Could not bear the guilt, she "faked" her death to escape from the responsibility, probably planned with Acheron as her "dead" body looks like it was slashed by a sword.
This caused Aventurine to suspect Acheron as the culprit and not the Stellaron Hunter: Sam.
PART 2!!! I'm can't wait I want version 2.1 now! Who knows? Because Acheron is one of the banners we might even get to see her reveal her emanator identity!
the fact she skips sampo voiceline and then straight up looking up at firefly at 13:34 is literally what half of us player probably do
truly one of us
3:39:44
"This world is at chaos. It is neither fair nor sensible. It wrongs heroes and breeds scum. It is rife with ugliness without a trace of beauty."
Wise words by a desperate man. Now I am desperate. Thus..
"To save the one and only her, I can only create new possibilities in the past."
i think your on to something with firefly being Sam, her planet was destroyed, she can not move because her perception is to slow so shes need to be in a machine to live on and her name is firefly something that burns his life away, also robin turn in to bubbles but she became water , maybe a avatar of sorts. sam is from garmoth legion, their planet burn completely in war and hes a genetic enhanced warrior. there was a anime they made girls with issues and specially abilities into machines to fight a war. maybe just maybe your right.
Thus spoke Caelus/Stelle Apocalypse
YEAA A TOTALLY HEARTWARMING AND WHOLESOME STORY!!!
I took a screen shot of the picture with Firefly and the trailblazer. And using it as my phones wallpaper now, its just so cute
Sparkle and Aventurine's chat probably sparked a LOT of future yaoi fanfics for him and Sunday XD
Shaoji really cooked a whole Michelin star meal with 2 bodies 💀
The thing that bugs me is that Firefly died from a thing that is called MEME
Pun not intended
"We haven't see Firefly and Sam in the same room" because Sam is not invited to penacony, Firefly is. That's why the Bloodhounds is searching for an Intruder which is Sam and they doesn't know that Firefly and Sam is the same person(it's not confirmed yet either). But about Mina theory that Firefly intentionally killed herself so she can swap to Sam does make sense. Well who knows. We'll wait and see, so exciting! xd
Firefly literally said herself she was the stowaway. She wasnt invited ethier my guy
@@mr.applejuice8546 Then wouldn't that just mean she just explicitly said that she is Sam?
@@grandcanon27 yep the logic should be like that because Firefly is invited, take a look again at the end of the 1.6 live stream (?) I don't remember, the one where they show who the Harmony family invited to Penacony.
@@mr.applejuice8546 She is invited, just take a look at one of the live stream where Sunday and Albert the Owl talking about Penacony, they show the list of the invited guest
@@Khn_2102 Calling up Sam Ironman style?
I still like how "firefly is SAM" theory gets so much traction because it would mean Firefly is 8 feet tall mecha, not the sweet girl trapped in memo space.
I personally am going Acheron connection and her "forgetfulness", also Misha in that one scene being there but no one except MC acknowleding him.
Fun fact: Acheron never pulls her sword in this story. The only instance we’ve seen her use it unsheathed is during the white nights mv.
The fact that she killed sam even before he could do his move lol
4:11:17 mina goes insane with the amount of copium intake
About to say🤣
Not really copium. She clearly follows the leak subreddit.
I think she is just reading the obvious signs the story is giving us to make the connection.
@@MWKRider not everybody reads leaks so thanks a lot for that.
1:11:12 That was uncalled for ;-;
1:14:39 This woman is gay in every universe
1:17:38 Fun fact, in the french sub, her exact words are "Shortly after we parted, I found myself in a ballroom. A woman with a back veil invited me to dance. It was my first ever dance. An unforgettable experience." A bit different than the dub but even more gay. (It could also be a different dialogue option idk, I took the"The elegant Memokeeper?" option too)
Most of Acheron's red dialogue has 3 different variations in all languages
During rooftop moment, Firefly mentioned all other power except Stellaron Hunter, so I guess she may be working for them. This is logical as we see how SAM appeared at the end of the remembrance search which means SAM may also be searching for Firefly. Maybe MC would work with SAM to save Firefly in 2.1 /2.2…😊
"They can't kill off characters who have character models!"
Me: *looks at Tingyuan* Sureeeeee....
I think hotarus plan was to fake her death to test if she was immune to being killed by death. But mecha didn't want that to happen so he locked her in that room initially
Firefly also said that she saw a dream with a sapling among a scorched earth. And you know where can we see this sapling? It's Ruan Mei's flower on top of the Sam's head. That's deeper than it seems.
For real though, I think there is so many small details that point at the theory of Firefly and Sam being a one physical entity, that I'm almost sure in it now. Even if their personalities are separate.
Shaoji : Nah it'll be wholesome
Is that his name I'll remember it.....
@@7PebblesReportedhe's been on my target list for a long time
Hmmm
2 people killed, 1 stowaway and singer
If firefly is Sam's pilot.
Hint from White night video Sam has firefly color palette
there is a possibility firefly slept while wearing Sam entering the dreamscape.
so in firefly dream inside the dreamscape she and Sam might became separate entity from one another.
in firefly dream bubble she mentioned ''mecha'' 4:03:53 hint that maybe some sort of transformation ritual but Sam refused.
this is all my take😅
Either you had to dig deep in the current patch to find that info, or you’re touching the leak territory. I’d suggest deleting the comment.
@@JakeTran141 sorry I don't look at leaks, this is just putting puzzles and clues together. and duke inferno death was hinted at black swans video.
@@ghrelend2837 had to break it to you mate but firefly got exploded on death just like a BUG she is. same sound effect too.
@@vault29a let a guy lick his wounds 😥
@@ghrelend2837 just read Firmament Frontline: Glamoth planar set lore. i am not kidding.
1:30:24 apparently the dialogue was much more hostile and the localization slightly watered it down. I saw someone directly translate it from chinese on twit and it was kinda wild. I kinda wish they went with the one to one translation bc that shit woulda been so funny. They probably expected the twitter backlash though so they eased up
4:08:00 Little did we all know….
Honkai fans in a situation like this like to mention that there were a lot of deaths in Honkai Impact. But let me ask how many of these deaths were specifically PLAYABLE characters. I’ll note right away that Flamechasers DO NOT COUNT, because according to the lore they were all dead 50k years ago, and in the plot of Elysium Realm, generally died their “digital versions”. But it was dramatic, I agree. And of the playable characters in the current time, only Himeko died, if my memory serves me correctly, i.e. just ONE playable character (correct me if I forgot anyone other than Himeko). Therefore, I am inclined to believe that in the plot of Penaconia no one will be killed for REAL. Yes, there may be “temporary” deaths, but then eventually, according to the plot, all PLAYABLE characters will be brought back to life through some plot twist. I.e, there will be a kind of heightened drama at the beginning and with “temporary” deaths in order to tickle the players’ emotions, but at the same time remain something in between in this parameter between Honkai Impact 3rd and Genshin Impact. In the end, all these supposedly dead characters will then write to us via SMS after they appear in the gacha, and this is illogical if they are dead according to the lore. In addition, some kind of companion quests will have to go with them, and with dead characters according to the lore, you can’t think of much, except for some flashback, which not everyone will like, and even in some future events you can’t put him anymore, because he’s dead).
Wholesome story : they said
It would be relaxing : they said
I actually think Firefly is Sam you guys. If see this clip here 4:13:36 I think Sam is trying to seperate or save the MC from Acheron. 🤔
That's not true. but Sam trying to save us could be true. because why didn't Sam scan us like he did on both others? it's as if he knew us.
Such a hearth throbbing and saddening scene and all of a sudden I see:
"Babygirl you alright ?"
"If i can stop one heart from breaking" that song title was on my mind for a while , it reminded me of something similar and it recently came to me, it was The Midnight - Heart Worth Breaking and the main lyric there was "I just wanna have a heart worth breaking" Just thinking about these two lines made bust out the waterfalls.
4:11:00 LMAO that flower, Sam that's so cute :3 xDDD
I'm going to be sooo mad if firefly is only in penacony because she is needed to fullfill elio's script for the MC.
This update has raised so many questions it's ridiculous, I NEED ANSWERS MIHOYO!!!
Welcome to honkai series once again, captain!
next update 2.1 and you know..... 9.21
Man Stelle/Caelus just csnt get a break.
First time they cried was when they woke up from a dream second time is here, whens the third time?!
When someone else dies?!
Wait a minute.....
I hope Sam becomes playeable. He's the closes to a playeable Kalpas.
He will
Not only that but i want to play as miniture gundam, that would be sick
There's no way that we still have like 7 weeks until 2.1.
I CAN'T WAIT LIKE THIS I'M DEPRESSED AF 😭
Now I understand what Otto feels
Not gonna lie i was somewhat expecting someone to die in penacony
But i did not expect it to be Robin and Firefly sadly😢
4:13:40 Acheron fights with sheath of the blade here, which makes her more scarier lmao
They really went like.. aww what a "wholesome" and "heartwarming" reunion! Anyway here's death
Heartwarming and wholesome stories..
Right, said by writer who responsible killed himeko and others character in HI3
Welcome to Honkai series. Depresso is the signature drink. No amount of sugar and milk will remove the taste of Depresso.
That bug better start counting his days.....
The MC was so traumatized by what happened that her initial thought process was asking "Is this a dream"