Hey man, I hear maddens license to be the only simulation game is up can you do a video on that and what you hope happens (if it is true if it’s not true just let me know but man I hope it’s true so we can get back to good simulation football)
I think since EA only wants to focus on micro transactions. Why can’t they just make downloadable content for just franchise mode to purchase like all the fun stuff that they used to have and that you talked about in this video. Or hell why not sell a separate madden game all together that is exclusively built around only the franchise/ owner mode.
"this video was completed after hundreds of hours of research recording and editing" so more effort was put into the video about madden than the actual game
If you spent if you spent 10 hours a week then this would get completed in 10 weeks which is about 2 1/2 months. I’m no expert but I think a madden game takes longer then that...
@@smokeymfbrown6435 As for you, it only takes a little thinking to realize 100’s of hours actually is not all that long if your used to showing commitment, dunce capper hahaha.
@Ty R you’re a total jerk bro. If you spend your whole day tryna come up with a reply that makes you sound smart and feel good about yourself then you need some friends or some shi
It's not just lack of competition. EA was convinced to be lazy by the idiot fans that keep buying the same game each year because they abso-damn-lutely have to, and for what? A roster update? Something that was solved with unofficial fan patches years ago? When you have fools paying full price each year for a copy&paste game, it's no wonder EA doesn't give a crap about quality and game content. Not defending EA but if their sports games sales suddenly went down 90% because everyone stopped buying them, they'd have to take notice. But that's not gonna happen because "gotta have my Madden/FIFA, bro!".
At this point, I wish Japanese game studio who love NFL can make better football game than EA, maybe Eyeshield 21 video game adaptation which is something that most NFL japan fanbase really hope for
@@abadenoughdude300 " EA was convinced to be lazy by the idiot fans that keep buying the same game each year because they abso-damn-lutely have to" So much this. Everyone jumps on the "competition" thing, ignoring the fact the market still did NOT have to accept what EA offered. They just did. So instead of voting with their wallets, they complain about "no competition". Innovation happens when innovators innovate and when the market demands it. If people would rather a bad product than no product, the market will give them a bad product.
NBA 2K doesn't seem to have an issue with fans leaving after a blow our games, that's being realistic as ⛑being knocked off of player in the 🎮 too! # Thanks for sharing this video too!
I loved how when your team was on the verge of going undefeated in a season your newspaper would start comparing you to the 72' Dolphins.. it was the little things that made us enjoy Madden of that era
@@KillaSmit20789 And at the end of season of franchise mode if anyone broke any record it would show up if it was your player you could save it in your profile I remember I got the passing record in my created team based on my highschool team he ended up passing for 5,465 yards and 55 tds and I built my team from the cupcake team ..fun times
I know and its terrifying to think about my aunt has a ps2 who played horror and final fantasy while my xbox owning uncle had the action call of duty games n64 i had a good childhood but these newer madden games are just greed and laziness thanks ea.
And how much better the NFL football games were. From Joe Montana on the 16 bit systems through "NFL2k"... The players union and EA have an exclusive deal. Once that happened, EA stopped trying. The Madden games on the 16 bits to PS2 era was good, not as good as NFL, but good. With all the advances in technology, you would think that EA would be able to make a game where upper-body movement looks realistic on the field. They see no reason to without any competition. Monopolies are dumb.
The on the field defensive audibles were insane. You could quickly make a TON of last second adjustments and keep the offense COMPLETELY lost in what to expect.
I am actually a youngster (born in 2005) but was around when all of the older maddens were released. The first madden I got was madden 13 for the wii and that game was fun as it utilized the Wii’s motion controls i have the current madden games to just have fun with them I don’t care if people say that they are bad I just had fun with. Before the complete covid lockdown I discovered that my wii system could play GameCube games and I took that opportunity to buy the older madden games that came out when I was a kid and DAMN they are FUN! And now i kind of know why the newer madden games are bad
@@BoleDaPole except for the market isn’t really free. THIS is a prime example of the “free market”. Exploit as much as possible, short term profits trump everything, this is what you get.
I think something so frustrating about this problem isn't just the list of features removed or lost but also the AI and feel of the game. It is hard to explain without actually playing the older games, but if you go back and play a game like NCAA 06, the AI even on varsity difficulty just plays so well. When you play madden these days it isn't just the bugs to me, or the lack of features, but how the gameplay is so bland and unsurprising. The CPU will never roll out of the pocket, dodge sacks, make a throw on the run, or use combinations of jukes and spins... Playing against the CPU Reggie Bush and USC in NCAA 06 is wild. He will take direct snaps, throw halfback passes, they will run the option perfectly, stuff like that. In some of the older maddens (maybe madden 07?) Peyton Manning on the colts would change the play and audible frequently. Tom Brady in NFL 2k5 has signature throwing animations and drop backs. What I think it is personally were the sliders and tendencies they coded for specific players and teams, which they don't perfect or fine-tune anymore. Playing against Texas with Vince Young feels different than playing against Matt Leinart. You can also play against Army / Navy and they will run the option out of the wishbone, which is a ton of fun to play against. What it feels like to me in modern Madden is that it's just a "Stat Check" contest. Obviously, Mahomes completes more passes than Nick Mullens, but not for a good reason. It's not because Mahomes dances in the pocket, rolls out, and delivers a ball down the field, it's because his Accuracy is 99. Lol.
@@jugan170 the frostbite engine was designed for a shooting game. EA is so cheap that they used it for their football game. This is the company we're dealing with
My mom passed away in 2005 and I got depressed so I dropped out of school and played Madden all day literally every day. I always regretted living that way until now. Today, I am SO glad I got to fully enjoy the experience during the hay days. I stopped buying Madden two years ago.
this actually makes me really sad. i remember back in the early-mid 2000s talking with my brother about how advanced sports games would be 10-20 years down the line. Little did we know we were actually in the golden era...
I'm still playing them. I played a game in nfl 2k5 last night that if the world watched it would have been the most captivating football game ever watched.
@@dianegriffith7959 this will be short. There is so much to this. But I beat tom brady in a game 59-56 in Overtime. I was down by 28 at half time. there was 15 total turnovers in the game. I forced bradys team to have 8. I threw 7 picks. It would have been the 2nd highest scoring game of all time and the 2nd most turnovers in a single game in nfl history if it was real.
@@dianegriffith7959 I played a great one last night. I got down 21-7 when Travis Henry fumbled and they ran it back for a touchdown to go up 21-7. I ended up tying it up at half time 28-28 with a clutch 2 minute drive to tie the game. Got the ball at half and went up 35-28. It ended up being 42 to 42 in the end. I was forced to punt with about a minute left. They wound up driving down to score the field goal to beat me 45-42. part of the reason I love this game is how easily you can lose to the computer. If I hadn't fumbled away that touchdown to them I would have easily won.
Actually I think thats a good move. Don't get me wrong madden blows, but I don't need little imaginary officials out there getting in the way. I would like to see sports games move AWAY from television realism. My dream football game would be basically a squad based shooter but a sports game. It would be like overwatch. You play 7v7 and you and your boys party up and there would be a roster of 20 some dudes to pick and everyone would just be a guy. You want Tommy to run a post...just say "yo Tommy run a post"...and then Tommy runs a post. I don't want fuggin sideline reporters in my game, or officials....or for fucks sake commentators. Just gimme music and player trash talk. Sports sim games are stale. Competitive arcade sports games like rocket league are the future. And the thing is is that "overwatch football" doesn't even require a license. They are all gonna be fictional dudes anyway. I think that even the madden haters have their heads up their asses and can't see that the game concept itself is stale. Take hockey for example...Super Blood Hockey is the best hockey game to come out in years and its basically an indie game. Its a whole fresh concept of what a sports game can be, basically mixing jrpg elements in like its fire emblem. The whole "I want it to be just like TV" attitude is the problem to me.
@@selvinmckay6768 so what...so are commercials. should the game have built in commercial breaks? I honestly hate seeing refs on the field, especially if they are tangible and can interfere with play. Its a video game, get rid of the geriatric old men wobbling about the field while insane, Goku like freaks are doing their thang. Bad calls are part of the game too...maybe every so often you should just get a shitty spot or a flimsy P.I. Maybe 1 out of every 1000 games in Cleveland the fans throw bottles on the field and the game ends early (ok that would actually be dope). The point is is that its impossible to simulate football...thats why you gotta go play it meat and potatoes style, IRL...so since its impossible to simulate, just make a game that feels like football but is actually fun to play. IMO NFL Blitz has yet to be topped because it understands the limitations of sports games and just decided to be a great video game instead of a mediocre attempt at "simulating" football. Like how much of a "simulation" is it if you can put up scores like 35-28 on 5 minute quarters. And thats been the case going back to Madden 98. play Madden (any year) on 15 minute quarters and tell me how its in any way a simulation.
As a retro video game store owner, every single word you said in this video I’ve agreed with 100%. Games used to be packed with fun. Now the first question from development corporations is, “How do we add micro transactions?”
Why spend money on upgrading your store and keeping it clean when customers will still buy from you no matter what? Wouldn't you rather use that money to give yourself and employees a bonus instead? Or maybe put it towards marketing? It's just smart business for them, don't blame the company blame the consumer for supporting it.
@@BoleDaPole No, you don’t blame consumers in this case, because consumers just want a good NFL game and aren’t able to get it because EA and the NFL don’t allow competition. Also, the majority of the dorks maxing their parents credit cards on MUT and funding EA’s trash, are little kids who don’t know any better and never played an actual good football game. Blaming 13 year olds for being 13 year olds doesn’t make sense. EA and the NFL who provide them the exclusive license, that’s the problem.
@@amgbenz0664The fault is on both. You can blame the consumers why would you ever work harder on an Product when you earn even more cutting corners and putting in no effort. If I ran ea I would do the exact same things they are doing.
@@Indy_Bendy Whether or not it is a smart or profitable business decision for EA, is irrelevant to my comment. Blaming kids for being kids, makes zero sense. Even young adults nowadays, have no reference or bar to compare Madden to, so they couldn’t possibly know first hand how far behind the simulation is from where the competition would have had it. If you ate celery everyday since birth, then you wouldn’t know it tastes bad unless you had a burger or pizza to compare it to. Putting cocaine in coca cola was also a smart and profitable business decision, doesn’t make it right nor does it make the consumers the problem.
I can't believe what video games turned post 2010. I remember when I was a child 2000s-2010 I was able to play video games day and night. NFL, NBA, Mortal Kombat, Smackdown vs Raw, Fight Night.. ect. Now it's only about the money. Dlc this, dlc that. Come on man, i bought the game!
The industry does need to be regulated better. Releasing half finished games, releasing games that should never have been released at all, loot boxes, in app purchases, etc. Don’t know how they get away with it.
That's what I said I played NBA jams NBA Street voulme one through three Def jam fight for New York sly Cooper ratchet and clank jax and Dexter Spyro the dragon etc those games defined my childhood when we had good games like Madden 04-12 etc I'm so happy I got to enjoy good games like midnight club dub edition remix GTA San Andreas Vice City etc back when games took chances nowadays it's about the money and microtransactions games have gotten worse with better technology how is that even possible imagine if we had the technology we have now back then the games would be out of this world
This deserves millions of views. I wish the rest of the community would wake up and start realizing that Madden is a shell of what it once was and doesn’t deserve our money...
Certainly not worth $70 unless they really plan on improving Madden 22 to make it more of a sim. That or at the very least they bring back create a team and expand the coaching staff,
It really has ... I had NFL2K5 and couldn't believe how good it was ... The best Madden I had was 08, you could create custom teams w/ logos & customize your own stadium ... Then boom they took everything away as the years went, it really has become a joke 😔
@Nick Dabbelt True ... But ppl should by now realize EA won't change anything if they still keep making money off this Trash ... I mean they didn't even improve anything on the next gen systems ... Madden on the PS4 & PS5 are the same game, the only thing separating them is the graphics!.
That and how devastating a monopoly can be to the quality of a product. Imagine if Bandai Naomi had monopoly over JRPG? How long ago the genre would have died?
It’s not just about lack of competition. as a whole, video games should have more possibilities than what we end up getting. You can get more out of a 10-15 year old game than a lot that have come out in the last couple of years. It’s just that Madden is the most stark example of it.
Tbh, it's an issue with sports games in general, but especially Madden. At least in other genre of games, there have been huge jumps in one way or another. In Madden, there's been complete regression almost everywhere.
I get your drift but the problem with sports games is that you know a new one is coming next year lol so when something is so routine and annual, of course the quality is gonna drop off eventually. The call of duty series may be routine as well, but not sports game level of routine 😂🤷🏾♂️
Note: A big one for me is I remember in Madden 05 when one of your players got injured in franchise mode they would be listed as day to day, questionable, or unable to play. If they were questionable and say if it was an ankle injury, you would see that player have that ankle wrapped during the game. Also some of his attributes would take a hit to begin the game reflecting that he wasn’t %100. Just realistic AF!
Yep I remember that too. At the time I didn't think much of it, but after playing the newer Maddens, I realized there were such incredible details in 05.
@@deeznutz8320 why would feminists want to take jobs away from women? That makes zero sense, I think it's far more likely moral guardians like those groups that are always bitching about "teh gays on TV!" complained about them.
video's like this really bring into perspective how slimey EA was even nearly 20 years ago. They've never played nice with anyone, consumers, competition, they've always been scum.
Well, in from the mid 1980s through to the early 1990s, they had a very different culture. Said culture has only gotten worse than Trip Hawkins left to found The 3DO Company, though.
spiderman< what new stuff is there in the new madden games? i have not played this for a couple of years now... is it all the same? the Espn nfl is a much better game, but EA have destroyed the sport gaming world with their monopoly!
Competition is impossible. Look at the NBA, NBA 2K was better so way more people played that and NBA Live just had to give up. The market isn’t big enough for more than 1 game especially with how expensive video games are now a days.
@@heydudedolfan13 I am too. But people are ignoring the fact that video games cost way more now. And one game ill always be better than the other so the worse game will get less sales and will eventually get cancelled. Competition can't always happen.
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@@deepvoicedude4749 let 2k entrer in football and we'll see again... The most important is to serve a real simulation to the fans not just hold the position to serve a bad game each year.
When will the NFL realize that that will make significantly more money if they just give the rights to madden to a gaming company that ACTUALLY cares and will make it good?
Coming back to say RIP to John Madden. Sad to see him go while his namesake game is at its seemingly lowest point, but I hope when that exclusive contract ends Madden games will start becoming good.
As a 44 year-old who had been playing since the start, but finally gave up on Madden a few years ago, I can definitely bare witness to its horrific downward spiral.
Im 38 and i totally agree. Remember how amazing those nfl 2k titles were. Those games were so much better and more fun. N it wasn't all abt microtransactions and money. Ahh the good old days 😄
I'm 43, and I feel the same. I remember John Madden Football on Sega lol. I stopped playing in Madden 07. I just started playing again to keep up with my younger nephew, but there is no trace of the older Maddens at all.
As a normal FIFA player, I told my friends that played madden all the time their game would be ruined by Ultimate Team. They didn't believe me then, but now...
@@TheBlueDevilDuke But to be fair, hasn’t the 2k series kind of done the same thing year after year? I feel like they’re in danger of hitting a rut after all these years.
This video is so damning that I think it honestly risks being taken down due to activity by EA itself. Very well done analysis of how far this series has fallen.
I remember when you used to be able to make whole teams, stadiums, plays, etc. So you could essentially make your own unique team and it was so fun. I remember putting in HOURS on madden 12 and 2k3
@@Luxxotic Publishers I think figure their core base players are addicted to these games already so they direct their developers to cater these games to casual and newer and younger players and .have them focus on microtransactions . Its all to increase revenue for the shareholders.
spiderman< what new stuff is there in the new madden games? i have not played this for a couple of years now... is it all the same? the Espn nfl is a much better game, but EA have destroyed the sport gaming world with their monopoly!
@Wary Trout yeah seems like your a generation a ahead of me i went to school all throughout the 2000s graduated in 2011, even in that time things were much better than today
@@adrianjuarez1162 - Going back and actually playing them, 02 & 03 are archaic. 04 is a step in the right direction, and it is 05-08 which became legends.
I spent so many hours in Superstar Mode. The reverse camera perspective when you played defense in superstar mode was so great. You actually earned your INTs by proper coverage and breaks on the ball. So rewarding!
I had Madden 08 for Nintendo GameCube. I created myself as an outside LB,was drafted by the Saints in the Superstar mode. One of the best games I ever played was the NFC Championship game against Chicago. I had an INT returned for a td and a tackle for a safety. Great times!
Madden 07 I spent hours randomizing my parents to get a track star mother and HOF CB father. I wanted a fast CB who was great, and I played that player for 14 in-game years. I ended my career with 100+ INTs and went to the hall of fame
@@quentincampbell612 And thats part of the fun of these games. 99% of people will never be able to play in the NFL but dammit do I wanna put myself in the SB making a game winning play
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Was looking for someone who noticed lol. Man I played the shit out of SIM city. Had to cheat tho. Didn't have time to build the city all slow. Never could get that Mario statue.
They have became just as money hungry as ea, the graphics would be ok but not as good as you would think, I wouldn't mind sds taking over a madden game
@@b3gemini609 the are just as money hungry yes. The graphics wouldn’t be much better true. However, the core game is definitely better and it’s not even close. Even tho 2k loves to gouge their fan base they still offer a lot more in the game at higher quality.
@@xThat1Guyxx but the online would be unplayable. 2k servers and clipping issues are so much worse than madden. Try playing both games online and I guarantee you madden has better servers
spiderman< what new stuff is there in the new madden games? i have not played this for a couple of years now... is it all the same? the Espn nfl is a much better game, but EA have destroyed the sport gaming world with their monopoly!
I started playing Madden in 92. I remember when all of these were implemented a decade later. I remember how muched I loved this game. I stepped away from console gaming in 2010 and stop following the series due to the newest entries not being on PC. When it was reintroduced to PC, it was changed so much that I simply could not play it. It wasn't the game I loved anymore. Thank you for this video. It was a great memorial to a once phenomenal series.
Been playing madden sence madden 2001. The downfall is 100% due to ultimate team. Before that they acually worked on the game. Now they only want you to play ultimate team so they make everything else unplayable.
Yeah I hate how Franchise is forgotten and they copy of of NBA with the player thing I stopped buying after 18 now I have Gamepass and it merged with EA so I get them for free I checked it and it was meh not as good as the oldies
Right there with you. Year one of the ultimate team packs, was the last year I Bought Madden. Played football games from the 80's on and there really was a development wall mid 2000's.
You could say that with not only Madden, and not only other EA Sports titles (looking at you, FIFA), but also any sports game in general like NBA 2K. It seems the only series that hasn't let an Ultimate Team mode plague them to the death is MLB The Show. Sure they have an Ultimate Team mode, but building said Ultimate Team seems a bit easier there than in other titles.
Bro same here I loved when I could draft my own team and make a stadium,and jersey’s.I hated it when EA removed it.Madden 12 was my favorite Madden game if all time.
I can’t be the only one who couldn’t ever play against Peyton Manning in the old games. Those 15 20 seconds he’d change the play were so boring lol good times when too much realism is the issue!!
EA Sports: "It's in the GAME!" ... except refs. ...and a coin toss. ...and realistic physics. ...and a decent franchise mode. ...and create a team. ...a decent half time show.
hey I feel you brother..there was nothing like listening to those 04-07 soundtracks while using training camp to make the players on your favorite underdog squad formidable..I ALWAYS played my seasons WITHOUT just quitting and redoing games I was going to lose...I love having to play to make wildcard birth in week 17..sometimes I would even give control to the CPU to kick my field goals..not that I wasn't decent at madden field goals...just added that element of tension......CHEERS M8
In my opinion 2005 is the best Madden ever made, next Madden ‘92. I had the 2005 collectors edition. Should’ve kept it. Haven’t bought Madden since 2009 and don’t plan on ever buying it again. I’m about to stop playing The Show too, it’s getting unrealistically over-dramatic. It’s one game where stats and trends matter the most. But hell, throw all of that out of the window. Who cares if they’re dead last in batting, 3 HR’s in one inning because you scored 2 runs on them 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I get it, not too many former athletes are engineering these games. Being a former athlete I can tell you, majority of these games the last 10-12 years are just in game features to purchase cards,equipment etc. they’ve stripped away all realism for fantasy play. But the AI is all scripted to do certain things when you do certain things.
You honestly deserves so much more praise. Toke, Cookieboy, MMG really don’t put in the effort that you do and yet they still get more views. People like us know that the old madden was great not even nostalgia but factually more packaged and enjoyable. I really hope more people start watching your videos
Being 37, I can say that I'm one of the rare ones who played every year as they came out. It's funny, yet crazy, to think back that I would sit there playing like Madden '95 and saying "this game doesn't get any better than this."
When I saw how long this video was I was reluctant to watch it, however, this perfectly expressed my thoughts and feelings on the decline of the Madden franchise. I haven't bought a Madden game in about 5 years. Year after year I play my friends' who just couldn't resist buying it and year after year I am reaffirmed in my decision to not waste close to $100 bucks on something that was better 10-15 years ago. Exceptional video sir, heading to part 2 now.
Even simple things like the training outfits in minicamp, that’s simulation right there. Instead we get teams wearing full game day kit in every mode, just nonsense like that puts you off.
This makes me sad, I used to be so excited every year for the new Madden to come out. Now I might buy it when its on sale for $5 and then get bored of it after 15 minutes because there's nothing new in franchise.
5 bucks it's all it's worth. And that's it. I would buy it for 5 bucks. Atleast I'd know what I'm getting for 5 bucks because the game has the content of a 5 dollar game. But not 60+. The people spending 60+ on this game are the problem.
I was at my son’s football game (he plays in a 10 - 12 YO league) and I overheard another parent say they’re getting their son Madden 22 later in the day. That’s the demographic EA is going for. These ppl don’t care if the games franchise mode sucks or if “new” features are old ones bought back.
I knew older Madden's where getting forgotten when new Madden fans started calling Madden 16 and 17 the greatest Madden's of all time.... 😒 2 games that are literally the same exact game.
17 was different but not that different also at least in 17 you can upgrade throw power and speed unlike in 20 or 21 but im 13 and im literally ordering madden 08 to create a team and create a player (any position) that's sad but wait people were calling 16 and 17 the greatest madden of all time HELL NO
16 and 17 obviously don't compare to the older Maddens, but I think parts of them were better than previous games. M16 was a very offensive-oriented game and was a shit ton of fun to play, something I think was lacking in the previous games. Was it the best? Most definitely not, but it was different for the first time in a while. 17 was alright and, at least in my opinion, did a good job at balancing the offensive aspect of the game. Aggressive catches were still there but not to the extent that they were in 16. 18, 19, and 20 were dogshit. Straight-up bad games. 21 is a step in the right direction, but knowing EA, they'll probably fuck that up too.
@mike smith I see what was exactly good about 21 the gameplay? The depth? What also im underaged but would probably do a better job than ea does programming as I would invest the money back into the game and will grow up to challenge madden into making a good game
Man, I forgot how much a I used to love the rich Franchise mode! I haven't played madden in years and everytime I think I might get back into it, I research the Franchise mode and walk away from it. Thanks for this great reminder, I'm gonna go find my old copies and start playing what I used to love again.
You know madden is on a downfall when you hear the soundtracks get less good and good 03-12 were the golden days but as soon and slowly they got less diverse and geared towards more mainstream away from underground rap artists and rock and metal bands it’s just gotten bland and as the games got bland so has its diversity after madden 17 Not saying the new rap is bad Theres some great underground stuff from both rock and metal I made two custom soundtracks on my channel to prove it’s possible people are just too lazy to look into underground stuff But the point is at least diverse it more so you appeal to both youth of the new generation who like the Lil Uzis Lil Skies Post Malone Da Baby’s and any SoundCloud rappers Of the world and the old timer madden heads from the PS2 era With the yellowcard Earshot sum 41 Green Day disturbed and Hives and the mid 2000s angst days Merry Christmas tho
@@YTCProductions dude that's me when I first played madden 09, I mean I had no interest with rock until I heard never wanted to dance by msi. That was when I awaken to have a fondness for that genre of music and with metal. It makes me greatful that I didn't grew up in the 16 to current era of madden games cause I would've missed alot!
@@shawklan27 pretty much and yeah another good song from 09 I liked My four favorite outside of that song as Disturbed inside the Fire Linkin Park Ft Busta Rhymes We Made It And Offspring Hammerhead And Hollywood Undead Undead I literally have a top 40 soundtrack of all time of madden on my channel
EA has done the same thing with NHL as well. 2k had this amazing feel to their ice hockey games but EA won out. NHL 2004 and 2005 had the most amazing game feel, and the presentation, especially in the menus, was incredible. EA has been adding back some of the zany features, but booting up NHL to hear subdued pop music shows they still don’t get it.
I remember talking on the forums back in '05 that football games would begin to suck year over year thanks to the monopoly EA just secured. So many people were telling me I was overreacting and didn't know what I was talking about. I told them emphatically without competition there will be very very little innovation and tiny incremental improvements year over year. People on the forums wouldn't acknowledge this and claimed EA would now be motivated to keep the license and hence keep innovating, HA!!!
i really am starting to hate people that go;" you only hate new games due to nostalgia." no there is a clear decline in quality. not just with sports games but with AAA gameing in general.
There is a middle ground...yes its gotten worse...no 2K5 was not that good, you remember it being better than it was. I can't believe how realistic i remembered the graphics of Gran Turismo 4 being. Booted it up a lil ways back and....yup its just a PS2 game.
David Rafferty there was a shit ton more tho in 05 vs 21 and it was so much more fun to play and the new games obviously have better graphics but lack a ton of features that even the game in 05 had. They’ve only removed features
@@davidrafferty2491 “there is a clear decline in quality” “yes it’s gotten worse” wtf is your point? You seem to fundamentally agree with the person you replied to
@@geisenm I can recognize that madden has gotten worse....but those madden (or 2K) games from back in the day.....yeah, they still kinda sucked. Cuz sports games in general suck.
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Awesome. I love your content
I was pissed when EA lost the MLB contract, leaving us with MVP Baseball 2005 the best MLB game of all-time!!!
Hey man, I hear maddens license to be the only simulation game is up can you do a video on that and what you hope happens (if it is true if it’s not true just let me know but man I hope it’s true so we can get back to good simulation football)
do a review on pro football 98 please game is goated
I think since EA only wants to focus on micro transactions. Why can’t they just make downloadable content for just franchise mode to purchase like all the fun stuff that they used to have and that you talked about in this video. Or hell why not sell a separate madden game all together that is exclusively built around only the franchise/ owner mode.
"this video was completed after hundreds of hours of research recording and editing" so more effort was put into the video about madden than the actual game
You win the comment section
If you spent if you spent 10 hours a week then this would get completed in 10 weeks which is about 2 1/2 months. I’m no expert but I think a madden game takes longer then that...
@@smokeymfbrown6435 As for you, it only takes a little thinking to realize 100’s of hours actually is not all that long if your used to showing commitment, dunce capper hahaha.
I stopped buying Madden 4 years ago, thats my part of sticking it to EA.. I wish there was something more we could do.
@Ty R you’re a total jerk bro. If you spend your whole day tryna come up with a reply that makes you sound smart and feel good about yourself then you need some friends or some shi
When you remove competition. This is what happens
correct
That's right, that way they can put out some B.S and not really face consequences 🤷🏿♂️😩
It's not just lack of competition. EA was convinced to be lazy by the idiot fans that keep buying the same game each year because they abso-damn-lutely have to, and for what? A roster update? Something that was solved with unofficial fan patches years ago? When you have fools paying full price each year for a copy&paste game, it's no wonder EA doesn't give a crap about quality and game content. Not defending EA but if their sports games sales suddenly went down 90% because everyone stopped buying them, they'd have to take notice. But that's not gonna happen because "gotta have my Madden/FIFA, bro!".
At this point, I wish Japanese game studio who love NFL can make better football game than EA, maybe Eyeshield 21 video game adaptation which is something that most NFL japan fanbase really hope for
@@abadenoughdude300 " EA was convinced to be lazy by the idiot fans that keep buying the same game each year because they abso-damn-lutely have to"
So much this.
Everyone jumps on the "competition" thing, ignoring the fact the market still did NOT have to accept what EA offered. They just did.
So instead of voting with their wallets, they complain about "no competition". Innovation happens when innovators innovate and when the market demands it. If people would rather a bad product than no product, the market will give them a bad product.
The crowd leaving during a blowout is the most realistic thing you have during game play
Can you believe the nfl actually made it so EA has to keep the stadium full during the game no matter the score.
@@grenade.turtle The heard that the NFL also insisted that the cardboard cutout fans during the lockdowns were real 😄
On NCAA 2005 I use to edit all Tennessee players to the lowest overall rating just so I can see their demise in an empty stadium on dynasty mode 🤣
NBA 2K doesn't seem to have an issue with fans leaving after a blow our games, that's being realistic as ⛑being knocked off of player in the 🎮 too! # Thanks for sharing this video too!
Agreed
This man said 89 features? Get your popcorn ready, boys, we’re in for a good one
89th like
Features and graphics are 2 different things.. I stopped playing once we couldn't choose if you wanted to play without the analog sticks or not...
Madden 05 mini camp was so addicting. I miss those days. Especially when you load it up and the players say “ea sports it’s in the game”!
Madden 05 and 06 were the best sports games in history. From the soundtrack to the gameplay madden got it perfect those years!
@@dukec2255 Madden 2007 was the last good madden, And I agree with you
Madden 07 is the best madden ever imo.
I played that a lot but I don't ever remember a player saying the EA slogan on any Ea game...
Tbh that's how I learned how to play. I coffin corner punts to this day lol
I loved how when your team was on the verge of going undefeated in a season your newspaper would start comparing you to the 72' Dolphins.. it was the little things that made us enjoy Madden of that era
💯💯💯💯
@@KillaSmit20789 And at the end of season of franchise mode if anyone broke any record it would show up if it was your player you could save it in your profile
I remember I got the passing record in my created team based on my highschool team he ended up passing for 5,465 yards and 55 tds and I built my team from the cupcake team ..fun times
The youngsters today don't realize how good ps2 Madden was. Damn shame.
I know and its terrifying to think about my aunt has a ps2 who played horror and final fantasy while my xbox owning uncle had the action call of duty games n64 i had a good childhood but these newer madden games are just greed and laziness thanks ea.
2 madden fan boys last year said straight in my face madden 21 is better than “do do” madden 08.
And how much better the NFL football games were. From Joe Montana on the 16 bit systems through "NFL2k"... The players union and EA have an exclusive deal. Once that happened, EA stopped trying. The Madden games on the 16 bits to PS2 era was good, not as good as NFL, but good. With all the advances in technology, you would think that EA would be able to make a game where upper-body movement looks realistic on the field. They see no reason to without any competition. Monopolies are dumb.
The on the field defensive audibles were insane. You could quickly make a TON of last second adjustments and keep the offense COMPLETELY lost in what to expect.
I am actually a youngster (born in 2005) but was around when all of the older maddens were released. The first madden I got was madden 13 for the wii and that game was fun as it utilized the Wii’s motion controls i have the current madden games to just have fun with them I don’t care if people say that they are bad I just had fun with. Before the complete covid lockdown I discovered that my wii system could play GameCube games and I took that opportunity to buy the older madden games that came out when I was a kid and DAMN they are FUN! And now i kind of know why the newer madden games are bad
This is a good example of why having a monopoly is bad.
And why free market capitalism is the best
@@BoleDaPole except for the market isn’t really free. THIS is a prime example of the “free market”. Exploit as much as possible, short term profits trump everything, this is what you get.
@@shredvansshredquartersfree market = allowing monopolies
I think something so frustrating about this problem isn't just the list of features removed or lost but also the AI and feel of the game. It is hard to explain without actually playing the older games, but if you go back and play a game like NCAA 06, the AI even on varsity difficulty just plays so well.
When you play madden these days it isn't just the bugs to me, or the lack of features, but how the gameplay is so bland and unsurprising. The CPU will never roll out of the pocket, dodge sacks, make a throw on the run, or use combinations of jukes and spins...
Playing against the CPU Reggie Bush and USC in NCAA 06 is wild. He will take direct snaps, throw halfback passes, they will run the option perfectly, stuff like that. In some of the older maddens (maybe madden 07?) Peyton Manning on the colts would change the play and audible frequently. Tom Brady in NFL 2k5 has signature throwing animations and drop backs. What I think it is personally were the sliders and tendencies they coded for specific players and teams, which they don't perfect or fine-tune anymore. Playing against Texas with Vince Young feels different than playing against Matt Leinart. You can also play against Army / Navy and they will run the option out of the wishbone, which is a ton of fun to play against. What it feels like to me in modern Madden is that it's just a "Stat Check" contest. Obviously, Mahomes completes more passes than Nick Mullens, but not for a good reason. It's not because Mahomes dances in the pocket, rolls out, and delivers a ball down the field, it's because his Accuracy is 99. Lol.
Gameplay is coming in part 2 of the video! It's a major part, maybe more important than the missing features
@@SOFTDRINKTV I'd really like to see madden switch back to a physics based engine rather than their modern animation based gameplay
The old games would not let you run the same play over and over. After the 2nd or 3rd time they were on it.
@@jugan170 the frostbite engine was designed for a shooting game. EA is so cheap that they used it for their football game. This is the company we're dealing with
Even as recently as NCAA Football 14 and Madden 16, last playable football games IMO...
"Madden 08 is, however, my favorite Madden game of all time" Scott the Woz would be happy to hear that lol
its just a weird coincidence i think.
scott loves the gamecube and because madden 08 was that consoles last game, well
Man of culture
I literally have a ps2 and a Wii and I still play Madden 11 and Madden 08 and I believe that they are WAYYYYY better
Me too along with 25
@@johnkerry6312 Scott owns literally every version of Madden 08. From the Wii version to the PS2 version to the Mac version
My mom passed away in 2005 and I got depressed so I dropped out of school and played Madden all day literally every day. I always regretted living that way until now. Today, I am SO glad I got to fully enjoy the experience during the hay days. I stopped buying Madden two years ago.
Makes me laugh when the ambulance comes driving onto the field and knocks everyone over.
We better get a couple more ambulances out there
this actually makes me really sad. i remember back in the early-mid 2000s talking with my brother about how advanced sports games would be 10-20 years down the line. Little did we know we were actually in the golden era...
I'm still playing them. I played a game in nfl 2k5 last night that if the world watched it would have been the most captivating football game ever watched.
@@TrevorHamberger tell me more about that game
@@dianegriffith7959 this will be short. There is so much to this. But I beat tom brady in a game 59-56 in Overtime. I was down by 28 at half time. there was 15 total turnovers in the game. I forced bradys team to have 8. I threw 7 picks. It would have been the 2nd highest scoring game of all time and the 2nd most turnovers in a single game in nfl history if it was real.
@@dianegriffith7959 I played a great one last night. I got down 21-7 when Travis Henry fumbled and they ran it back for a touchdown to go up 21-7. I ended up tying it up at half time 28-28 with a clutch 2 minute drive to tie the game. Got the ball at half and went up 35-28. It ended up being 42 to 42 in the end. I was forced to punt with about a minute left. They wound up driving down to score the field goal to beat me 45-42.
part of the reason I love this game is how easily you can lose to the computer. If I hadn't fumbled away that touchdown to them I would have easily won.
We exist to be exploited.
The fact they didnt put refs on the field shows EA not giving AF anymore. Lil details like that baffles me
Refs are part of the field..why takem out
Actually I think thats a good move. Don't get me wrong madden blows, but I don't need little imaginary officials out there getting in the way. I would like to see sports games move AWAY from television realism.
My dream football game would be basically a squad based shooter but a sports game. It would be like overwatch. You play 7v7 and you and your boys party up and there would be a roster of 20 some dudes to pick and everyone would just be a guy. You want Tommy to run a post...just say "yo Tommy run a post"...and then Tommy runs a post. I don't want fuggin sideline reporters in my game, or officials....or for fucks sake commentators. Just gimme music and player trash talk. Sports sim games are stale. Competitive arcade sports games like rocket league are the future. And the thing is is that "overwatch football" doesn't even require a license. They are all gonna be fictional dudes anyway. I think that even the madden haters have their heads up their asses and can't see that the game concept itself is stale.
Take hockey for example...Super Blood Hockey is the best hockey game to come out in years and its basically an indie game. Its a whole fresh concept of what a sports game can be, basically mixing jrpg elements in like its fire emblem.
The whole "I want it to be just like TV" attitude is the problem to me.
Damn I never even noticed that
@@davidrafferty2491 do you want a simulation football game or not? Refs are part of the sports authentication.
@@selvinmckay6768 so what...so are commercials. should the game have built in commercial breaks? I honestly hate seeing refs on the field, especially if they are tangible and can interfere with play. Its a video game, get rid of the geriatric old men wobbling about the field while insane, Goku like freaks are doing their thang. Bad calls are part of the game too...maybe every so often you should just get a shitty spot or a flimsy P.I. Maybe 1 out of every 1000 games in Cleveland the fans throw bottles on the field and the game ends early (ok that would actually be dope). The point is is that its impossible to simulate football...thats why you gotta go play it meat and potatoes style, IRL...so since its impossible to simulate, just make a game that feels like football but is actually fun to play. IMO NFL Blitz has yet to be topped because it understands the limitations of sports games and just decided to be a great video game instead of a mediocre attempt at "simulating" football. Like how much of a "simulation" is it if you can put up scores like 35-28 on 5 minute quarters. And thats been the case going back to Madden 98. play Madden (any year) on 15 minute quarters and tell me how its in any way a simulation.
From 04-08 was a magical time for madden games. I feel lucky that I got to experience this period
Damn right.
The nineties were epic.
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol I miss mini camp that mode was so fun
It was so much fun.
As a retro video game store owner, every single word you said in this video I’ve agreed with 100%. Games used to be packed with fun. Now the first question from development corporations is, “How do we add micro transactions?”
Why spend money on upgrading your store and keeping it clean when customers will still buy from you no matter what?
Wouldn't you rather use that money to give yourself and employees a bonus instead? Or maybe put it towards marketing?
It's just smart business for them, don't blame the company blame the consumer for supporting it.
@@BoleDaPole Blame both. Both are wrong.
@@BoleDaPole No, you don’t blame consumers in this case, because consumers just want a good NFL game and aren’t able to get it because EA and the NFL don’t allow competition. Also, the majority of the dorks maxing their parents credit cards on MUT and funding EA’s trash, are little kids who don’t know any better and never played an actual good football game. Blaming 13 year olds for being 13 year olds doesn’t make sense. EA and the NFL who provide them the exclusive license, that’s the problem.
@@amgbenz0664The fault is on both. You can blame the consumers why would you ever work harder on an Product when you earn even more cutting corners and putting in no effort. If I ran ea I would do the exact same things they are doing.
@@Indy_Bendy Whether or not it is a smart or profitable business decision for EA, is irrelevant to my comment. Blaming kids for being kids, makes zero sense. Even young adults nowadays, have no reference or bar to compare Madden to, so they couldn’t possibly know first hand how far behind the simulation is from where the competition would have had it. If you ate celery everyday since birth, then you wouldn’t know it tastes bad unless you had a burger or pizza to compare it to. Putting cocaine in coca cola was also a smart and profitable business decision, doesn’t make it right nor does it make the consumers the problem.
I was in the good old days and didn’t even realize it.
Facts smh didn’t have a clue
Man when I was younger all I could think of was how much better sports games would be in the future. Little did I know they peaked.
Facts ps2 maddens were great
Anyone watch the finale of THE OFFICE? "I wish you knew you were in the good ole days before you realized you left them."
ever talked to a old boy??? i think everybody looks at thier younger days as the " good ole days " 🤣
I can't believe what video games turned post 2010. I remember when I was a child 2000s-2010 I was able to play video games day and night. NFL, NBA, Mortal Kombat, Smackdown vs Raw, Fight Night.. ect. Now it's only about the money. Dlc this, dlc that. Come on man, i bought the game!
OMMMGGG THANK YOUUUU like bro what’s up with this shit manee back in the days it used to be fun but now in days its about money
WHY do they make such trash game now??? they could be so good and so fun but they choose to make total filth. It is so damn sad
The industry does need to be regulated better. Releasing half finished games, releasing games that should never have been released at all, loot boxes, in app purchases, etc. Don’t know how they get away with it.
@Kristian Mijic Pokémon? Really? Really?
That's what I said I played NBA jams NBA Street voulme one through three Def jam fight for New York sly Cooper ratchet and clank jax and Dexter Spyro the dragon etc those games defined my childhood when we had good games like Madden 04-12 etc I'm so happy I got to enjoy good games like midnight club dub edition remix GTA San Andreas Vice City etc back when games took chances nowadays it's about the money and microtransactions games have gotten worse with better technology how is that even possible imagine if we had the technology we have now back then the games would be out of this world
This deserves millions of views. I wish the rest of the community would wake up and start realizing that Madden is a shell of what it once was and doesn’t deserve our money...
Share it then that’s what we gotta do so the madden community can open there eyes and so we can do something about this
Certainly not worth $70 unless they really plan on improving Madden 22 to make it more of a sim. That or at the very least they bring back create a team and expand the coaching staff,
It really has ... I had NFL2K5 and couldn't believe how good it was ... The best Madden I had was 08, you could create custom teams w/ logos & customize your own stadium ... Then boom they took everything away as the years went, it really has become a joke 😔
@Nick Dabbelt True ... But ppl should by now realize EA won't change anything if they still keep making money off this Trash ... I mean they didn't even improve anything on the next gen systems ... Madden on the PS4 & PS5 are the same game, the only thing separating them is the graphics!.
Found this thanks to Angry Joe, I don't care about sport, but I do about videogame history.
Ok?
That and how devastating a monopoly can be to the quality of a product.
Imagine if Bandai Naomi had monopoly over JRPG? How long ago the genre would have died?
@@peaber69 Very Well?
Same
I appreciate your appreciation
I wish everyone who plays sports games could see this
That’s one thing that’s good about this video it’s output is more for all sports games although the main theme is about madden
I know madden is bad i still love it though
@@tyyourshoe1824 keep enjoying it
Most people who buy sports games know its terrible. I still have fun playing madden 21
@@SSx2000 have fun bro don’t let nobody stop ur enjoyment
Another feature missing from recent Maddens: a half decent soundtrack
facts bro
madden 18's was great and madden 19's was solid so idk what ur complaining about
@@pumpkingreg6673 I'm sure they are great if you like a certain type of music, but old Maddens used to have a nice mix of hip/hop and rock
@@daniel9487 yeah unfortunately i never got the opportunity to play those, maybe i was a bit biased lol. madden 16s was pretty epic with its mix
Yeah. Sure, I'm biased because I like rock and metal. But there used to be a variety of tracks, including hip/hop and rap.
The fact that all of these features have been left out of recent Madden games is not just an indictment of the series, but of video games as a whole.
without competition, this always happens. If youre job couldnt re replaced would you be any good?
It’s not just about lack of competition. as a whole, video games should have more possibilities than what we end up getting. You can get more out of a 10-15 year old game than a lot that have come out in the last couple of years.
It’s just that Madden is the most stark example of it.
Tbh, it's an issue with sports games in general, but especially Madden. At least in other genre of games, there have been huge jumps in one way or another. In Madden, there's been complete regression almost everywhere.
That's a bullshit statement. Video games are getting so many new features.
I get your drift but the problem with sports games is that you know a new one is coming next year lol so when something is so routine and annual, of course the quality is gonna drop off eventually. The call of duty series may be routine as well, but not sports game level of routine 😂🤷🏾♂️
Note: A big one for me is I remember in Madden 05 when one of your players got injured in franchise mode they would be listed as day to day, questionable, or unable to play. If they were questionable and say if it was an ankle injury, you would see that player have that ankle wrapped during the game. Also some of his attributes would take a hit to begin the game reflecting that he wasn’t %100. Just realistic AF!
Yep I remember that too. At the time I didn't think much of it, but after playing the newer Maddens, I realized there were such incredible details in 05.
Quick note: Madden 04 had cheerleaders. They would come on at half time and do a little dance. So that’s 90 removed features.
Id even start at 03 with Marshall Faulk on the cover!
because it's sexist to EA and feminist complained about it LOL what a fucking joke EA where is my cheerleaders team in today NFL!!
@@White_Tiger93 not really no, no feminists were complaining about this.
@@jadedheartsz It could be, the girls that were in the formula 1 (called pit kitties) all lost their jobs because of 'sexism'
@@deeznutz8320 why would feminists want to take jobs away from women? That makes zero sense, I think it's far more likely moral guardians like those groups that are always bitching about "teh gays on TV!" complained about them.
Madden is such a bad game.. I mean ea has gone on such a down hill slope it’s just sad.. madden is a disgrace
@Alexander Torres ???
@Alexander Torres where's the lie?
Yeah meeting the president after you win the superbowl madden has the same superbowl celebrations since 17
Disgraced the name of John Madden... 😑
FOR ONE , ILL BET YOU CANT MAKE GRAPHICS LIKE THAT
Retro bowl on the App Store has more content that madden 21😂😂😂
Such a good game!
Yes bro
I know I love that game
Ah, great game
It’s so true
video's like this really bring into perspective how slimey EA was even nearly 20 years ago. They've never played nice with anyone, consumers, competition, they've always been scum.
Monopoly causing douche bags. How do the NFL PR people not notice how much Madden is universally hated
@@TheBlueCopperrrX Unfortunately, one simple answer: money
Well, in from the mid 1980s through to the early 1990s, they had a very different culture. Said culture has only gotten worse than Trip Hawkins left to found The 3DO Company, though.
@@redjed100 exactly what I was about to say, they've been scum for 20 years, but 10-20 years prior to that they were awesome.
spiderman< what new stuff is there in the new madden games? i have not played this for a couple of years now... is it all the same? the Espn nfl is a much better game, but EA have destroyed the sport gaming world with their monopoly!
The consequences of having no competition
Competition is impossible. Look at the NBA, NBA 2K was better so way more people played that and NBA Live just had to give up. The market isn’t big enough for more than 1 game especially with how expensive video games are now a days.
@@heydudedolfan13 I am too. But people are ignoring the fact that video games cost way more now. And one game ill always be better than the other so the worse game will get less sales and will eventually get cancelled. Competition can't always happen.
@@deepvoicedude4749 let 2k entrer in football and we'll see again... The most important is to serve a real simulation to the fans not just hold the position to serve a bad game each year.
@@deepvoicedude4749 No they don't, back in the 90's games for the SNES where around $60-70. If you add inflation those games today would be over $100.
Sounds like wwe
Great job as always bro!
Never stop making these.
Wait, which comment section am I in?
Softdrinks
When will the NFL realize that that will make significantly more money if they just give the rights to madden to a gaming company that ACTUALLY cares and will make it good?
You two deserve a place in valhalla for your work.
This should be pinned in your comments. The guy hits the nail on it's head
"You just want to set the prices for hot dogs."
...yes, yes I do. You know why? You used to be able to...
I loved pretending to be a Mr.Krabs type owner
@Reallife Shenanigans which I do...
Coming back to say RIP to John Madden. Sad to see him go while his namesake game is at its seemingly lowest point, but I hope when that exclusive contract ends Madden games will start becoming good.
The chance of another exclusive contract not being signed is highly unlikely. Too much money being made.
They're going to renew the exclusive license and put out fake reviews over and over til the end of time.
As a 44 year-old who had been playing since the start, but finally gave up on Madden a few years ago, I can definitely bare witness to its horrific downward spiral.
You remember playing bo jackson in temco bowl
Im 38 and i totally agree. Remember how amazing those nfl 2k titles were. Those games were so much better and more fun. N it wasn't all abt microtransactions and money. Ahh the good old days 😄
I'm 43, and I feel the same. I remember John Madden Football on Sega lol. I stopped playing in Madden 07. I just started playing again to keep up with my younger nephew, but there is no trace of the older Maddens at all.
@@yodathehutt1557 Playing with Bo Jackson on Tecmo Bowl is what made me become a Raider fan from NY till this Day!!!!
NFL 2k5 and the 2 Tecmo Bowl games are the greatest football games ever!
The Tony Bruno clip brought back SO much nostalgia.
Imo it was “Ultimate Team”. After they drove everyone into lotto mechanics and not franchise mode it wasn’t for me anymore.
As a normal FIFA player, I told my friends that played madden all the time their game would be ruined by Ultimate Team. They didn't believe me then, but now...
Agreed.
But NBA2K still delivers a high quality franchise mode with MyTeam. EA is just lazy.
@@TheBlueDevilDuke But to be fair, hasn’t the 2k series kind of done the same thing year after year? I feel like they’re in danger of hitting a rut after all these years.
@@bushidoxld3719
Yup. Blame the twitch streamers..
This video is so damning that I think it honestly risks being taken down due to activity by EA itself. Very well done analysis of how far this series has fallen.
Drew Bledsoe holding his chest and limping around the field, now thats realism
u win bro
WOW !!!!!!!! To soon man
😂 jk it’s been like 20 years, but that was a huge hit
Death is a good band
The ambulance lol
Should of been Brady 😴
Antoine Winfield’s son is now in the NFL. Man I feel old lol
Wait until the sons of Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Chad Johnson come out in 3-5 years.
@@gatienlaurol5793 randy’s son got drafted thjs gear
Asante Samuel Jr is gonna be a top 50 pick this year
@@calebqueen2090
Crazy!
@@skylerdixon9408 he went undrafted then released
The franchise mode was so dope in early madden. I used to export the players from the college football game to Madden
Spending hours and hours on the NCAA games so you can make overpowered players to draft with your madden team >>>>>>
@@johnnybruude9827 yup, played freshman thur senior year just to keep the stats right 😁
Me too, @Randy Eason
RIP John Madden. Thank you for some of the best memories from our childhood.
I remember when you used to be able to make whole teams, stadiums, plays, etc. So you could essentially make your own unique team and it was so fun. I remember putting in HOURS on madden 12 and 2k3
I would always put all my friends on the game and some would get pissed because I would make them terrible.
Madden 12 was my favorite madden game of all time.
The last madden I bought was the year after they got exclusive....I'm an old head gamer and 2K was amazing. R.I.P. Sega Dreamcast
Damn bro your comment really hit him home.. Got me feeling all nostalgic an shit. Took me back to a simpler more happier time
@@royortega3721 fo real tho!!! Power Stone tournaments to see wherr/who you would play in 2K then our rules was "winner stays on"
Video games are getting worse and worse every year
@@Luxxotic Publishers I think figure their core base players are addicted to these games already so they direct their developers to cater these games to casual and newer and younger players and .have them focus on microtransactions . Its all to increase revenue for the shareholders.
2K is doing the same shit as Madden. So, it's not really a great alternative anymore.
The simple fact that none of the players have tattoos is so unrealistic
facts i thought i was trippin when i saw tyreek hill with no tattoos😂
Nah, I know for sure that Odell had tattoos
has*
@@br_dley yeah but that's one person put of the hundreds that actually have tattoos
@@user-xu5rt5lb5o there's more than 1 person with tattoos
Why does the NFL keep giving EA exclusive rights? Blame them too.
Money
They are still mad at 2k5 for making their game $20. EA and the NFL are that petty
spiderman< what new stuff is there in the new madden games? i have not played this for a couple of years now... is it all the same? the Espn nfl is a much better game, but EA have destroyed the sport gaming world with their monopoly!
money!
Those days of binge playing Madden 05 and 06. I will never forget them.
!!!
Why don’t you buy a ps2 and madden 05 again and play them all over again?
@@stevensmith8977 exactly what I did
@Wary Trout was goin to school in the 90s especially high school just like how it seemed in the movies from the 90s?
@Wary Trout yeah seems like your a generation a ahead of me i went to school all throughout the 2000s graduated in 2011, even in that time things were much better than today
“They also had PHYSICS.”
-zooms in for emphasis-
This almost made me cry. No bs.
I was damned close too. We had amazing football games back in the day and greed and laziness has ruined that
Yes, this
This is so sad they have ruined madden. Madden 09 was my first madden ive ever played and I’ve loved it since
The music at the end of the video make it even sadder.
I know right... didn't realize how much these features would be missed
Just got myself an Xbox Classic loaded up with Madden 02 through 09. Chilling and playing old Madden games while we start the new season.
Awesome the ps5 and the series x are powerful consoles but there something about the ps2 and xbox era that were golden.
@@adrianjuarez1162 - Going back and actually playing them, 02 & 03 are archaic. 04 is a step in the right direction, and it is 05-08 which became legends.
Have Pat McAfee replace Bruno. I feel like he’s down to improve the game
That’d actually be sick
Cheerleaders had physics😂. Damn EA as really went that low
Boob physics was a standard feature back then. Every self respecting game had to have it.
Boob physics or gtfo.
@@thkarape I believe the first game to have it was Dead or Alive for PS1.
I spent so many hours in Superstar Mode.
The reverse camera perspective when you played defense in superstar mode was so great. You actually earned your INTs by proper coverage and breaks on the ball. So rewarding!
💯
I had Madden 08 for Nintendo GameCube. I created myself as an outside LB,was drafted by the Saints in the Superstar mode. One of the best games I ever played was the NFC Championship game against Chicago. I had an INT returned for a td and a tackle for a safety. Great times!
Facts and as a receiver the camera was actually on you and not on some awkward angle towards the QB!
Madden 07 I spent hours randomizing my parents to get a track star mother and HOF CB father. I wanted a fast CB who was great, and I played that player for 14 in-game years. I ended my career with 100+ INTs and went to the hall of fame
@@quentincampbell612 And thats part of the fun of these games. 99% of people will never be able to play in the NFL but dammit do I wanna put myself in the SB making a game winning play
Angry Joe sent me here and said this was worth my watch......he was absolutely right!! I didn't know about your channel, but you just earned a new sub, and I'm ringing that bell!!
I appreciate it!
Using classic Sim city music to diss an EA franchise... there's levels to this 👏
Was looking for someone who noticed lol. Man I played the shit out of SIM city. Had to cheat tho. Didn't have time to build the city all slow. Never could get that Mario statue.
See at least cities skylines came around to become a spritual sucessor, and unlike EA they actually encouraged modding and provided support.
I miss those sim city days
What song?
@@xThat1Guyxx sim city
imagine 2k21s graphics, gameplay, attention to detail, and career mode in a Madden game
They have became just as money hungry as ea, the graphics would be ok but not as good as you would think, I wouldn't mind sds taking over a madden game
@@b3gemini609 the are just as money hungry yes. The graphics wouldn’t be much better true. However, the core game is definitely better and it’s not even close. Even tho 2k loves to gouge their fan base they still offer a lot more in the game at higher quality.
@@xThat1Guyxx but the online would be unplayable. 2k servers and clipping issues are so much worse than madden. Try playing both games online and I guarantee you madden has better servers
@@succonastick oh I’m not saying that but in terms of franchise and career mode it’s not even close
@@succonastick EA severs ain’t good neither ☠️
Oh my god the Tony Bruno Show!! Such a throwback I completely forgot about it
Same thing I said, like wtf I totally forgot about that
The Pregame/Postgame/Halftime Berman shows are the stuff of legend. How EA has not come close to replicating this in 15+ years is staggering.
NBA 2k games have a great half time and end time show in franchise mode even showing physical highlights from other games
@@Chuck_EL NBA 2K and Football Manager is how you make a virtual sports season feel like you're in the moment. FIFA and Madden are dog shit.
spiderman< what new stuff is there in the new madden games? i have not played this for a couple of years now... is it all the same? the Espn nfl is a much better game, but EA have destroyed the sport gaming world with their monopoly!
I remember playing Madden 05 thinking: "on my gosh, this is so awesome that I will buy Madden every year for sure", I stopped in 2008.
Good year to stop. That was the last good Madden.
I still have Madden 05 it is just so scratched.
I started playing Madden in 92. I remember when all of these were implemented a decade later. I remember how muched I loved this game. I stepped away from console gaming in 2010 and stop following the series due to the newest entries not being on PC. When it was reintroduced to PC, it was changed so much that I simply could not play it. It wasn't the game I loved anymore. Thank you for this video. It was a great memorial to a once phenomenal series.
Older players like myself thank you. I still have 2k5. This younger generation doesn't know unless we let them know. You did a fine job of that.
Ya holy fuck the first madden game I got was 2013 and oh my god I cannot even imagine how fun this shit must have been!!!!!
Angry Joe told me to check this video out, i'll be watching it once i'm done with his review. Any other Angry Army members here?
Yup. What's good brother?
@@badasahog Me too!
I've been with Angry Joe since 2016.
I tend to watch his negative videos above his positive ones, but I am a fan of his.
Been playing madden sence madden 2001. The downfall is 100% due to ultimate team. Before that they acually worked on the game. Now they only want you to play ultimate team so they make everything else unplayable.
Mut fans hate to hear that but it is true
100% facts
Yeah I hate how Franchise is forgotten and they copy of of NBA with the player thing I stopped buying after 18 now I have Gamepass and it merged with EA so I get them for free I checked it and it was meh not as good as the oldies
Right there with you. Year one of the ultimate team packs, was the last year I Bought Madden. Played football games from the 80's on and there really was a development wall mid 2000's.
You could say that with not only Madden, and not only other EA Sports titles (looking at you, FIFA), but also any sports game in general like NBA 2K.
It seems the only series that hasn't let an Ultimate Team mode plague them to the death is MLB The Show. Sure they have an Ultimate Team mode, but building said Ultimate Team seems a bit easier there than in other titles.
I hated when they took off created teams. Me and my friends made a whole football league on Madden 12. They take away features and add nothing
Madden 12 on ps2 was great. My Cleveland Steamers took the league by storm
People like to create and make their own universe🤦♀️. Ea is so out of touch.
Created teams don't make EA money.
@@BoqPrecision well if they they announced it so many people would buy alot of players stopped buying the newer maddens because of how bad it is
Bro same here I loved when I could draft my own team and make a stadium,and jersey’s.I hated it when EA removed it.Madden 12 was my favorite Madden game if all time.
What I loved about 2k on the Dreamcast was they updated the roster so you didn't have to pick up the newest game just for a roster update.
Agreed
I can’t be the only one who couldn’t ever play against Peyton Manning in the old games. Those 15 20 seconds he’d change the play were so boring lol good times when too much realism is the issue!!
Fr and he always threw dots
I forgot about that. Man that drove me nuts
That’s why I hated playing against Indy
So true.
I learned to never adjust with your own audible or player movements so Manning would hike the ball a little sooner
nice this video is already goated. if this doesn’t get 2 million views imma throw hands
Facts
We gotta spread this video to the other side of the madden community
Yeah what you gonna do come at me! Come at me.....
Angry Joe sent me
MADDEN WILL NEVER GO BACK TO THE DAYS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MAKING MONEY FROM MUT😡😡
You are right. As long as the money is in MUT the rest of the game will be as cheaply produced as possible so not very good.
The good days of madden are gone
Capitalism... :(
Mut is even garbage
2K should make a college football game if they can’t make a simulation NFL game
Duuuuddeee!
Facs
thats only if the NCAA will allow it, but with them allowing players to make money off their likeness it could be a reality soon.
@mike smith what does that have to do with his comment?
They used to have a football game. It was just as good as madden at the time
Dude, it’s insane how underrated you are. Your videos are amazing and you keep it 💯. That’s what I respect about you the most
I knew the old games were WAY better but I forgot about alot of these features. And I used to have so much FUN. RIP MADDEN
EA Sports: "It's in the GAME!"
... except refs.
...and a coin toss.
...and realistic physics.
...and a decent franchise mode.
...and create a team.
...a decent half time show.
It's all about the payroll
And so much more....
...and commentary
...and many more ands.
And cheerleaders.....
and actual sideline physics....
hey I feel you brother..there was nothing like listening to those 04-07 soundtracks while using training camp to make the players on your favorite underdog squad formidable..I ALWAYS played my seasons WITHOUT just quitting and redoing games I was going to lose...I love having to play to make wildcard birth in week 17..sometimes I would even give control to the CPU to kick my field goals..not that I wasn't decent at madden field goals...just added that element of tension......CHEERS M8
Madden 2004 with Mike Vick on the cover was the first madden I fell in love with Madden 2003 was a close second in my book
Facts. I had Madden 04 on ps2. That one and Madden 09 were my favorites.
I agreed, until Madden 2005 with Ray Lewis on the cover added Hit Stick.
RIP Sean Taylor
Madden 2003 was my first Madden. I remember playing it with my friends all the time. We'd play on the same team and run corners non stop.
I couldnt stop playing Madden ‘05. I played 13 seasons straight in franchise mode.
In my opinion 2005 is the best Madden ever made, next Madden ‘92. I had the 2005 collectors edition. Should’ve kept it. Haven’t bought Madden since 2009 and don’t plan on ever buying it again. I’m about to stop playing The Show too, it’s getting unrealistically over-dramatic. It’s one game where stats and trends matter the most. But hell, throw all of that out of the window. Who cares if they’re dead last in batting, 3 HR’s in one inning because you scored 2 runs on them 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I get it, not too many former athletes are engineering these games.
Being a former athlete I can tell you, majority of these games the last 10-12 years are just in game features to purchase cards,equipment etc. they’ve stripped away all realism for fantasy play.
But the AI is all scripted to do certain things when you do certain things.
@@Nebo888 05 was dope, I hate 18 cuz gronk got hurt n I had to use Bennett
You honestly deserves so much more praise. Toke, Cookieboy, MMG really don’t put in the effort that you do and yet they still get more views. People like us know that the old madden was great not even nostalgia but factually more packaged and enjoyable. I really hope more people start watching your videos
kaykayes
MMG is the goat
Came here from Angry Joe
Yulp
you setting the custom score on the Falcons-Patriots game to 28-3 made my day
The production quality of these videos is amazing. Great work.
ESPN NFL 2K5 is still the best football game ever made.
Sheesh I never even knew how much stuff this game took out. They're really just out here playing us.
You can't miss it if you didn't know it existed, shows the demograph they're targeting. It's a trend that far exceeds video games unfortunately.
Being 37, I can say that I'm one of the rare ones who played every year as they came out. It's funny, yet crazy, to think back that I would sit there playing like Madden '95 and saying "this game doesn't get any better than this."
When I saw how long this video was I was reluctant to watch it, however, this perfectly expressed my thoughts and feelings on the decline of the Madden franchise. I haven't bought a Madden game in about 5 years. Year after year I play my friends' who just couldn't resist buying it and year after year I am reaffirmed in my decision to not waste close to $100 bucks on something that was better 10-15 years ago. Exceptional video sir, heading to part 2 now.
Even simple things like the training outfits in minicamp, that’s simulation right there. Instead we get teams wearing full game day kit in every mode, just nonsense like that puts you off.
This 100%
Madden 2009 was the last one I can remember having players in actual practice uniforms.
This makes me sad, I used to be so excited every year for the new Madden to come out. Now I might buy it when its on sale for $5 and then get bored of it after 15 minutes because there's nothing new in franchise.
5 bucks it's all it's worth. And that's it. I would buy it for 5 bucks. Atleast I'd know what I'm getting for 5 bucks because the game has the content of a 5 dollar game. But not 60+. The people spending 60+ on this game are the problem.
I was at my son’s football game (he plays in a 10 - 12 YO league) and I overheard another parent say they’re getting their son Madden 22 later in the day. That’s the demographic EA is going for. These ppl don’t care if the games franchise mode sucks or if “new” features are old ones bought back.
this was nostalgic, yet very sad to watch. Content is everything! The create-a-fan did it for me. I used to love seeing that fan, that MY fan! lol
I was never able to explain why I stopped playing madden. Just couldn’t remember all the things I loved lol
I knew older Madden's where getting forgotten when new Madden fans started calling Madden 16 and 17 the greatest Madden's of all time.... 😒 2 games that are literally the same exact game.
17 was different but not that different also at least in 17 you can upgrade throw power and speed unlike in 20 or 21 but im 13 and im literally ordering madden 08 to create a team and create a player (any position) that's sad but wait people were calling 16 and 17 the greatest madden of all time HELL NO
16 and 17 obviously don't compare to the older Maddens, but I think parts of them were better than previous games. M16 was a very offensive-oriented game and was a shit ton of fun to play, something I think was lacking in the previous games. Was it the best? Most definitely not, but it was different for the first time in a while. 17 was alright and, at least in my opinion, did a good job at balancing the offensive aspect of the game. Aggressive catches were still there but not to the extent that they were in 16. 18, 19, and 20 were dogshit. Straight-up bad games. 21 is a step in the right direction, but knowing EA, they'll probably fuck that up too.
@@wildbum03 i feel like 17 was the last playable madden because you can upgrade speed and throw power and traits in the career mode in franchise
All I know is it became absolute shit starting in 18
@mike smith I see what was exactly good about 21 the gameplay? The depth? What also im underaged but would probably do a better job than ea does programming as I would invest the money back into the game and will grow up to challenge madden into making a good game
Im 40 years of age and we still talk about NFL football 2k on Dreamcast to this day.
Man, I forgot how much a I used to love the rich Franchise mode! I haven't played madden in years and everytime I think I might get back into it, I research the Franchise mode and walk away from it. Thanks for this great reminder, I'm gonna go find my old copies and start playing what I used to love again.
ive had more fun playing madden 02 then madden 21
Facts
Among us cringe kid
But yeah madden 21 is worse
Madden 04 is better
Madden is so sus ngl
You know madden is on a downfall when you hear the soundtracks get less good and good 03-12 were the golden days but as soon and slowly they got less diverse and geared towards more mainstream away from underground rap artists and rock and metal bands it’s just gotten bland and as the games got bland so has its diversity after madden 17
Not saying the new rap is bad Theres some great underground stuff from both rock and metal
I made two custom soundtracks on my channel to prove it’s possible people are just too lazy to look into underground stuff
But the point is at least diverse it more so you appeal to both youth of the new generation who like the Lil Uzis Lil Skies Post Malone Da Baby’s and any SoundCloud rappers Of the world
and the old timer madden heads from the PS2 era
With the yellowcard Earshot sum 41 Green Day disturbed and Hives and the mid 2000s angst days
Merry Christmas tho
I completely agree. The older Madden games introduced me to a lot of artists that actually had really good music
@@georgiaboi7193 the older maddens and other PS2 sports games influenced my music Taste
@@YTCProductions same 😂
@@YTCProductions dude that's me when I first played madden 09, I mean I had no interest with rock until I heard never wanted to dance by msi. That was when I awaken to have a fondness for that genre of music and with metal. It makes me greatful that I didn't grew up in the 16 to current era of madden games cause I would've missed alot!
@@shawklan27 pretty much and yeah another good song from 09 I liked
My four favorite outside of that song as
Disturbed inside the Fire
Linkin Park Ft Busta Rhymes We Made It
And Offspring Hammerhead
And Hollywood Undead Undead
I literally have a top 40 soundtrack of all time of madden on my channel
He’s stripping EA down exposing they ass💯💯💯👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
This just makes me hate EA more
AND they ruined the sims. my god, is there no franchise they wont drive straight into the gates of hell? 😡
Of course you had to sneak a 28-3 joke in there. Respect lol
Dolphins Baby 💯✌🏿🤙🏿
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1 dislike is EA sports
The dislikes are from the EA Sports staff
EA Game Changers
EA has done the same thing with NHL as well. 2k had this amazing feel to their ice hockey games but EA won out. NHL 2004 and 2005 had the most amazing game feel, and the presentation, especially in the menus, was incredible. EA has been adding back some of the zany features, but booting up NHL to hear subdued pop music shows they still don’t get it.
I remember talking on the forums back in '05 that football games would begin to suck year over year thanks to the monopoly EA just secured. So many people were telling me I was overreacting and didn't know what I was talking about. I told them emphatically without competition there will be very very little innovation and tiny incremental improvements year over year. People on the forums wouldn't acknowledge this and claimed EA would now be motivated to keep the license and hence keep innovating, HA!!!
Crazy to see that MLB The Show 20 has all the franchise features that old Maddens had
Except expansion and relocation
@@WaluigiLebron they have relocation, and you can create your own logo and choose from the 65+ stadiums
@@ryanzeigler can't create a stadium
i really am starting to hate people that go;" you only hate new games due to nostalgia."
no there is a clear decline in quality. not just with sports games but with AAA gameing in general.
@Derek Brown so haveing side by side comparisons between say nfl 2k5 and the new maddens that show there is a decline is nostalgia?
There is a middle ground...yes its gotten worse...no 2K5 was not that good, you remember it being better than it was. I can't believe how realistic i remembered the graphics of Gran Turismo 4 being. Booted it up a lil ways back and....yup its just a PS2 game.
David Rafferty there was a shit ton more tho in 05 vs 21 and it was so much more fun to play and the new games obviously have better graphics but lack a ton of features that even the game in 05 had. They’ve only removed features
@@davidrafferty2491 “there is a clear decline in quality”
“yes it’s gotten worse”
wtf is your point? You seem to fundamentally agree with the person you replied to
@@geisenm I can recognize that madden has gotten worse....but those madden (or 2K) games from back in the day.....yeah, they still kinda sucked. Cuz sports games in general suck.