Something that’s really lovely to think about when watching this episode: Higgins and his on-screen wife are really married. So all of their love on the screen is genuine. It’s just so wholesome.
You have to look at it in context, and at what the subtext to the actual words is. Ted says, "I promised myself I wouldn't ever quit anything". This tells you something about his character. He sees "quitting" (in this case let the relationship end) as a failure. Michelle is trying to tell him it's not a failing. She does that by changing the language from "quit" to "let go". Yes it's semantics but there's also real meaning there. He's saying, "I knew this was ending but I didn't want to let it because I feel like that makes me a failure." She's saying, "You're not a failure. You're letting me live my life and be happy." And actually focussing so much on "not quitting" in the not-a-failure sense is a way an otherwise good person like Ted can end up hurting people. (male fwiw)
She's wrong though. The correct way for her to say it is you're not quitting because I am because at the end of the day that's what she did. She prioritized feelings of love/chemistry, that very well may come back, over a partnership that clearly worked and was way better for the kid. Now they'll be divorced and the kid will suffer. All just so she can potentially be "happier". Society tells ppl that's ok these days. It isn't its selfish.
@@kevinb1277 Nonsense, my parents serparated when I was 12, I supported them than in that decision and it didn't negatively impact me or my siblings. Every case is individual, and parents staying together that have fallen out of love imo is not in the kids interest.
@@Icetemplar I agree. My parents separated when I was in university due to my mom and I living in Canada while my dad worked in Japan for 8 years. Seeing my mom being all alone in a country where she doesn't speak the language while trying to raise a child made me feel awful. Plus the constant fighting about them not being able to see each as often impacted me negatively. Children are not stupid. If your relationship is reaching an end, the kid knows. It's not fair to put your child through stress like that. It's more healthy for everyone to just let the relationship go. I'm so happy to see my mom and dad being happy with someone else that can provide the love they need rather than them forcing themselves to stay together.
Yeah I feel like it’s Quitting vs Failure. Ted can handle failure. “It’s not about the wins and losses,” but he couldn’t handle the thought that he didn’t try everything. But he did. And it still didn’t work. The marriage failed. To me, his arc is finding peace with that knowledge.
I agree with the women (and am also a woman) that it's not quitting to walk away from a relationship that's over. I think the guys are sort of confusing quitting for losing. It's not quitting to play a board game (for example) until the end and still not come out the winner, but it is quitting to stop playing before the game is over. Idk, the analogy makes sense in my head; just my two cents.
I don't think they were looking at it as losing, but that you should keep trying. The issue of course is that by the time you get to this point, you've been trying, for a long time. From a divorced man, I thought about divorce for two years before it happened, and it turns out my ex wife did too. We didn't hate each other, we're still friends now. But we did fall out of love with one another over time. And it took two years of trying to recapture that feeling for each other to realize it was gone for good.
This might change after you see the new episode that dropped today on apple tv not very happy with the direction they took of that cause I liked that it was originally no ones fault
I disagree. The dude literally said a bunch of times that it's semantics and they doubled down and even said that when you say they quit you mean they should've kept going. It's not. People say they quit drinking or drugs or other stuff that's bad for them all the time. Nobody assumes they mean they failed at anything by doing that, or that the implication is that they should've kept doing it. Everybody agrees the relationship was beyond saving and by letting his wife go Ted was giving up on trying to save it or force it to work and it was the right thing to do. The girls flat out refused to even attempt to understand what the guys were saying.
As someone who absolutely hates divorce, I do think they were quitting. Love is more than just emotions. Love is choosing someone regardless sometimes of how you feel about them.
Quitting something can be very healthy depending on the context. Quitting does not have to be synonymous with failure. Quit can just mean you ended something at your own volition.
If a relationship comes to its natural end, it’s not quitting. Quit is one of those words that has several meanings, but I think we most associate it with “giving up,” in a negative context. In a job, I would quit a job I hated and resign a job I liked, but I’d reached the end of my time with. I think Michelle and Ted are resigned to their situation and are moving forward without each other, not “quitting.” My two cents!
@@musayt they accepted that it wouldn’t be good for them to stay together and both willingly chose to separate. That’s about as natural and healthy as divorce gets.
@@hasan_1888 I know your Christian indoctrination made it so you’d never change, but the majority of people do. Those changes may lead to them no longer loving someone how they once did.
Honestly, I’m so glad that there’s women on the couch for this reaction because I’ve watched other men react to this episode before, and they don’t always fully understand the situation between Ted & Michelle or Ted’s decision to let Michelle go. Happy to have Rana and Navi here!!❤
To me, it's not quitting because the relationship has effectively already ended. I think it cn be compared to a TV show getting canceled. I have seem sometimes headlines about shows getting "canceled" in a season that is intended to be the final one. That's not greeting canceled, that's just ending. Sometimes things run their course and just end, and some shows keep going for extra seasons without having any more real story to tell and just end up badly.
The fact that Ted was able to overcome the toxic parts of what society says a man has to be, in order for everyone to be better off, is *exactly* why he's such a great character.
The quitting debate did feel a little semantic to me but I think the girls had a stronger point. To me saying he "quit" implies that there was some noble alternative in continuing on, which wasn't the case anymore with the relationship. If he had walked away after one or two fights that could have been fixed, you could call it quitting, but this was more than that. But I agree with Suraj that the Believe moment was still sad! Even though Ted did the right thing it still felt to him like the first time he's quit and it's easy to feel his disappointment.
lol 30:25 love how she framed it as not wanting to "quit" trying to fix the relationship which leads to the answer being, you have to quit trying because it's making everybody unhappy, but she back tracks when it's pointed out to her. It really is just they are seeing it from two different perspectives that ultimately end with the same conclusion, just with a different name to what they are doing. The wife's perspective is Ted giving her an out of this looping spiral of misery, and Ted's perspective of having to quit trying to fix something that can't be fixed. It's the correct conclusion but, for Ted's sake, it was important for him to frame it in her pov since he has such an issue with quitting and helping him accept not all things can be fixed.
This show balances the deep stuff with the comedy so well. You really feel for every character and you can see how they change and how they became how they are. It’s just so good. Really love it. And it only gets better.
A lot of times I feel like Pat is just talking to talk and commenting things to get a reactions, not taking things serious but it was nice although kinda surprising to hear him say you can’t blame Michelle, she tried when Ted tells her he will let her go. And then the quitting conversation began…
On the topic of "can they give a yellow card for fighting a team mate", there's a famous incident from the Premier League where two Newcastle players (Kieron Dyer and Lee Bowyer) fought each other and received red cards and got thrown off.
Ummmm so about the "quiting" conversation, I think when Suraj was trying to say that the semantics of the word was the only thing in disagreement he had a point. Ted's relationship had run its course and the only reasonable option was for it to end - but ultimately it's just an option. As horrible as it may be there is still the option of continuing to force the relationship and refusing to sign divorce papers and being a leech to his wife till the end. So of course since Ted isn't a bad man he's "letting her go" aka "ending" the relationship aka "quiting" his pursuit of her. Quit/end/exit are all synonyms. Although it may not sound nice and the word definitly has negative conotations, quiting is sometimes the best option in some situations - so yes Ted did the right thing by quiting his relationship.
The key is to think of it in terms of his mental mindset. He absolutely is quitting. He's quitting trying to hold on to her. He could have chosen to hold onto her forever, even if she divorced him. I think the problem is that people tend to think about love and relationships as intrinsically two-sided, when they're really not. Like, of course there are two sides. But I feel like people fail to recognize that at its core, it's two one-sided experiences that just happen to come together. From his side, he was in love with her. He didn't want to give up on or quit his love for her. But he chose to, and to try to move on, for her sake.
Great debate. Anything that one or both parties agree for logical and the right answer to be over is quitting. Semantics .... an individual choosing to stop trying, even if it's because you tried absolutely EVERYTHING and it's what's absolutely the BEST decision...is the definition of quitting. To quit: to leave (usually permanently) to stop or discontinue.
Love these Ted recaps - the four of you are brilliant! It's so nice to relive the episodes through you. The only criticism I have is that I want them more quickly lol :) Kaz
There’s something ab Rana and Nahid both crying at the same part on separate channels that’s making my heart hurt for both of them. Rana saying it’s too realistic and relatable and Nahid being so raw and talking ab how he was going thru something which made that scene worse. I wish them both well and hope they’re both healing
@@blackhippy47149 damn do you know something I don’t bc all I saw from Nahid’s vid was that they broke up but didn’t owe an explanation to anyone. I didn’t think either of them revealed why.
I think it’s important to the character of Ted that he never give up or quit. It’s important to his character that we learn a lot more why he feels this way. I totally get where Suraj is coming from and despite that I feel like her was kinda ganged up on. I’d view it as quitting as well even though there’s nothing else to do. Not to say it’s a competition, but sometimes you can’t help but feeling like you could’ve done something different and maybe things can change if you hold out a little bit longer. Throwing in the towel ensures Ted will never be with his wife. Continuing to try may have a 0.000001% chance of it working out. He’s letting go of that chance to spare her so they can both move on. So he’s going to feel as though he has quit. He made the right decision for both of them but as someone who never quits, it’s difficult for him to admit that quitting in this instance is the right choice. He made that choice and he’ll feel how he feels but that’s just how he views the situation. I think if I were in his shoes I’d feel the same way. Male here.
the way i see it, a lot of people quit while still being in a relationship: they quit communicating or they quit trying to make ends meet, to have a civil conversation or make the each other laugh or something like that. in this context i don't see it as quitting because they really tried what they could to make it right. it really is about semantics at the end of the day though
I think Rana and Navi are not thinking of the literal meaning of “quit” and adding a negative weight to it. I think we can agree that Ted and his wife “discontinued” their relationship. You might say they “resigned” from their relationship or “left” the relationship. Those are all words used to define “quit”. “Quit” doesn’t inherently imply giving up on something when you have reasonable options. It simply means to discontinue, resign, cease, stop, etc. Quitting can be a good thing, like if a man shoots his shot with a woman and she politely turns him down, he should quit pursuing her. Or, like in the scenario presented in this episode. There’s a time to persist and a time to quit and it’s important to recognize which is the healthy choice in a given situation.
americans in general tend to interpret quitting necessarily as a negative thing, wich is not the case. If you quit something bad that should be good, right? Like a bad job or smoking for example... They quit and that was the best option. I think thats exactly the message in this episode, sometomes the braviest and the smartest thing to do is just quit! Greetings from Brazil!
The discussion at the end is the difference between quitting and losing, and it isn't semantics. Ted didn't quit, he lost. Relationships require (at least) two participants and if you're the only one left holding on then you're holding onto a dead thing and "refusing to quit" isn't perseverance, it's denial. To "quit" implies there is still a positive outcome to be "won." Acknowledging defeat when it's already over isn't quitting, it's acceptance.
The word ‘quit’ implies that there is still an option to continue, but one chooses not to take it. If there are no more options left…it’s not quitting, it’s accepting the situation. If there’s still fuel in the tank, stopping the car and getting out would be quitting the journey. If the car has run out of fuel, there’s no point sitting in a stationary vehicle, you acknowledge reality and exit.
I rarely comment on videos but the debate on the word "quit" was driving me up the wall 😂 quitting is not a negative thing and I think that association is where the disconnect was. Ted did quit trying to make the relationship work and in doing so let his wife go. And it was good. It is good to quit certain things. Quit smoking. Good. Quit a toxic job. Also good. And so on. He quit a relationship that wasn't working and it was the right thing for both of them and there's nothing wrong with that. She only rephrased it to "letting her go" because he has an internalized negative association with the idea of quitting anything- which is a seedling for the idea that Ted isn't actually as perfect and put together as he might appear. Also I'm a man for survey purposes lol
I agree with the quitting argument. It is quitting on the relationship. If it wasn't quitting, then you would fight through it even if it hurts, hoping for it to work out at the end. Because even though she was hurting, so was he, but he is hurting because she doesn't love him. Yes, she wanted to stick around and try, but he already knew she wouldn't come back. So he called a quit for both of them since she would not make that decision. Just my opinion. So I vote for it being quitting on the relationship.
Here is a mind bender for you. You're right about the Olivia Wilde situation, but honestly they are sill business partners and have a very supportive relationship. But the young woman that left with Rebecca's ex is actually with Jason and is the inspiration for Keely's character.
The marriage was let go…. Not the relationship. It was. It quitting .. more like retiring . The job was done and now it’s onto something new. Love the banter
Personally, with the 'Quitting' Scenario', I was trying to find the right words. But I found a better way to think of it. It's more like a 'Game Over'. You did everything you could. Went through the motions, and this is the ending you got. Both parties tried. Both sides made choices, and they came to a mutual agreement and the ending came. It's a conclusion that wasn't made in anger, or malice or resigning to failure in a negative manner. It is because you /care/ for the other. Quitting is in interest of yourself, where as this scenario, with Ted and his {ex} wife, it is for the other. Neither of them want to hurt the other anymore. They see that pain they're going through, and experiencing in real time. That isn't quitting. That is overall the results from seeing all the choices they've made and choosing the better path for their loved one. A natural way of ending rather than a severance. {my POV as someone identifying as She/They}
I know this video is months old, I just wanted to correct the Jason Sudeikis/Olivia Wilde story: Their relationship ended at the beginning of 2020 (according to People magazine who broke the news of the split later that year). Olivia started seeing Harry Styles almost a year later (the first pictures of them are from the start of 2021). 😉
I think the fundamental difference between the guys and girls defining if it was quitting or not, is that the girls gave quitting a negative connotation, while the guys gave it a neutral one.... so for the guys, quitting because the relationship was at an end was not a bad thing to do, while for the girls if you use the word quitting they see it as a bad thing, so they think the guys are saying it was a bad thing to quit the relationship, when the guys didn't mean it in a bad way.
When you enter into a relationship with someone, whether it’s a bf/gf, husband/wife, or whatever, you make a promise, a pledge, or an oath, right? Implied or overt, you are promising to make the decision every day to exclusively love that person. This isn’t the fleeting, surface-level, physical, lustful, infatuation-type love. This is a choice to act on a loving way and to care for the other person in a way that puts their needs above your own. Obviously not in a toxic, codependent way, but in a way that earnestly demonstrates that you are still choosing to love them and show this individual they are of extreme importance to you… even after that fire and excitement has grown dim; especially in these times. If, at some point in the future, you decide to stop making that effort… to stop making that daily decision to love that person, even if it’s at their request, and/or it’s in their best interest, you are still quitting your oath and your bond. For better or for worse, you have quit. No negative connotation needed. It is the cessation of the act of love, or more accurately, the termination of agreement between two parties. And, if one party quits, it leaves no choice for the other BUT to quit. Ted still loves her, but out of respect for her decision to quit the relationship, his must quit his obligation to demonstrate and act upon that love.
The girls are talking about what it feels like giving up and if it should be considered as a personal failure and the guys are talking about the Merriam-Webster definition.
I agree that it is not quitting on the relationship since they made seemingly every effort to make it work. I could see the argument for it being failure, as in the relationship failed for whatever reason. In this case i saw it more that she felt like a bad person for not returning his feelings but also his level of energy towards her. when she said she would keep trying it sounded more like a plea that she would do better because she felt like a bad person for not returning his feelings after however long the relationship was and with how he is also so affectionate and kind and giving at a level she cannot match. her whole relationship has basically been a big love bomb that she feels pressured to return even though Ted isn't asking her to. Therapy cannot fix that in their relationship because asking Ted to tone that down feels like asking him to care less and she would feel like a bad person. So Ted wasn't giving up but more telling her it was okay for her to feel how she does and she doesn't need to punish herself for not meeting an impossible standard. This is the relationship failing and both parties accepting what they are but not quitting because they made all the efforts they could and found no way to solve this without hurting each other. Plus ending on good terms, and having a child means they need to preserve some relationship they can manage to keep things good for the kid. (as for Navi's question on gender, I am a male)
I’m a guy and I can see the differences between “quitting” and ending a bad relationship To the fellas, the version of quitting you are using ( in the call of duty example) has a different meaning It’s a good learning opportunity for people that see the word “quit” only as in “stop trying”..there are other ways to define ending a relationship and it doesn’t always mean it’s quitting
The guys really have no idea the difference between an ending and quitting. The relationship was ending, it's not quitting to recognize the spark was gone...
I know you all registered this episode a long time ago for Patreon so you probably won't read this, but I just wanted to say that I apprecciate you all and I'd like to give Rana the biggest hug ever. Greetings from Italy!
A sports analogy for the guys on the couch in relation to the whole quitting discussion - If you run a marathon and upon crossing the finish line you stop running, have you just quit or is the race simply over? Ted and his wife had run their race, they had tried everything they could to make it work, but they had already crossed the finish line. Stopping when the race is over isn't the same as pulling out at the 20 mile mark and stopping something when you realise it has come to its end isn't the same as quitting it half way through.
Ted: Okay, I got one. What if I joined forces with a swashbuckling cat to play tiny guitars for women of the night as we read Alex Haley's most seminal work? Coach Beard: You'd be in cahoots with Puss in Boots, playing lutes for prostitutes, reading Roots. Ted: No, The Autobiography of Malcolm X. I gotcha.
My opinion on the quitting thing (M18): It is quitting, but i dont think quitting is always a bad thing. Like in Teds relationship or the example with the dog quitting is the right way, but it is still "quitting".
Ted tried everything to make her happy and nothing worked so he's making the right decision to stop trying and walk away. That's literally the definition of quitting. The girls are hearing the word "quitting" and thinking that means it's the wrong decision. sometimes quitting is the only option.
Im way to late on this but in my opinion as a male, I agree with the boys, I just think they explained themselves wrong. Ive watched this show about 5 times now and also seen all sorts of press and behind the scenes and podcast with cast crew and directors so I think I know the show quite well. I think that Ted says he "quits" the relationship and where the girls didnt agree was because you cant nessaserily save a sinking ship but in teds optomistic eyes you can atleast try until you drop dead to save it. So in his mind what he is doing is quitting because he is in fact stopping his attempts to salvage the relationship. He says that hes quitting the relationship but it truley is just him, a full time optomist telling us this is the first thing that he hasnt been able to fix or solve, almost to his breaking point. Thats just my opinion.
A lot of people here are saying the whole “quitting” debate is just semantics. Well, yeah, but semantics matter. Words carry additional meaning beyond their dictionary definition, which is why we have so many of them. The connotations can be very different, so it matters which words we use. Otherwise we could make do with just good/bad, hot/cold, nice/mean, etc. By insisting on using the word “quit”, you are also choosing the negative connotations that are attached to that word. If you don’t want those negative implications, then you need to choose a different word with different connotations.
Ted makes the decision to quit trying to fix his relationship, not because they had successfully fixed it, but because he realized that to keep trying would make things worse. He is 'quitting' but he realized it was the best way forward in this situation.
You can't force somebody to love you. And you can't force someone to feel like letting go isn't a surrender. Ted knows that it is the right thing to do for the sake of Michele. He's just not happy about it, because to him, it *feels* like quitting. It *feels* like giving up any hope for reconciliation. Because this is the closest he's ever been to actively doing that.
Definition of Quit To cease or discontinue: synonym: stop. To resign from or relinquish. To depart from; leave. By definition of quit, its literally quit. But quitting isn't always a bad thing. Theres nothing wrong with quitting. Its not a bad thing to quit sometimes. Im a man. Maybe, the ladies have a different definition of quit which is fine, words can mean differently for people but I use the literal webster definition.
When two people get married they commit to each other, for life, no matter what. They don't say "unless I fall out of love with you" or "unless I'm not happy." Literally through good times, bad times, sickness, health, "till death do us part." So for Ted Lasso to let her go, he is breaking his vow - a sworn promise - and in that way it's quitting. He does it because he loves her and doesn't want her to be unhappy with him, and, simultaneously, it is quitting, giving up on the relationship being able to survive. I would like the two women on the couch to understand that, because that's what it means when a man takes those vows.
How about quitting vs ending? Quitting implies a premature ending or maybe stopping a thing early, vs reaching a natural endpoint like the end of a planned trip. Most people hope the only natural, completion point of their relationship is til-death-do-us-part, but often the end of their journey comes much earlier. They didn't quit early; they've reached the end, so the journey is completed. Like when the roller coaster ride is over, you didn't it quit it, it's just over. Nothing left to do but get out off the ride.
It's not quitting, what these two was talking about was refusing to quit. Ted took her side and feelings to account, he obviously still wanted her to come around but forcibly stay in her life against her feelings are not healthy.
The word quitting I feel just has a negative connotation to it. Quitting just means to stop, terminate or leave. To stop trying and quit trying are the same thing. In the context of this relationship it was the best course of action. I just think people put themselves in certain characters shoes and see the scene through the lens of their past heartbreaks and get defensive. Neither Michelle nor Ted did anything wrong. No one gets defensive when you say “you quit smoking”, so quitting a relationship that is harmful should have the same connotation. Sometimes quitting is good for your health.
Both sides of this semantics issue are right - but the girls are leaning into the negative connotations of the word "quit", whereas the boys are taking it as just a synonym of "stop".
I don’t feel like either Ted or Michelle “quit” they just failed. Failed to communicate, failed to see each other, failed to stay committed. It’s sad, tragic even, but marriages fail. Often. Failure might be an even more bitter pill to swallow than quitting. People don’t “quit” a marriage because even though it takes work, it isn’t a job. As Higgins said when it’s right even the hard times are easy.
I agree is not quitting, but the guys have a point when it comes to her not making the final decision. She could have asked for the divorce just as easily, but she made him make the call which crushed him even more and made him feel like quitting even if it’s not
She quit the relationship. To think that, years into a marriage, you will wake up every day feeling the same way you did in the beginning is sooooooo unrealistic. She quit, so he had to quit too. I'm female, and married for 30 years.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 I will never understand you people. One day your wife/husband wake up and tells you she/he doesn't love you anymore and you all believe it's a natural end of a relationship. I will never understand westerners way of love and marriage. Does she get alimony and half of his assets after divorce too?
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 the definition of the word quit is to leave permanently. which is what they did. leave the marriage permanently. which is to quit. i dont understand why so many people here dont have a basic understanding of a simple word
As a man...i feel like the "quitting" conversation could have been resolved much quicker with a Roy Kent headbutt to both of the guys in this reaction!
😂 I’m coming to this a year late. Great convo at the end. I’m a man and here’s my 2 cents. I see the wife’s point BUT she doesn’t get to decide what’s the appropriate amount of time for Ted to be ready to move on. The ladies here are only seeing it from the wife’s POV. She may be ready to “let go” or “put the dog down” but that doesn’t mean Ted is which is why he sees it as quitting. You ladies really are putting too much emphasis on the word “quit”. That’s what it is for him. Ted will have to quit on trying to reconcile in order to make his wife happy. He was still in the mode of “working” on the relationship. Had she not come to town he wouldn’t have decided on his own that NOW was the time to “let go”. As an example the ladies thought Jamie sleeping with another woman so fast after Keely dumped him was somehow wrong. Why is it wrong for Jamie to “let go” faster than Keely but not for Ted’s wife. Everyone has a different quit timer in their head and it’s never going to be in sync with your partner. It doesn’t make either of them right or wrong. But the guys here ARE right that this IS quitting from Ted’s POV because he wasn’t done trying yet.
I wouldn't say Don't Worry Darling is a bad movie, just mediocre and disappointing. The behind the scenes drama which most of was alleged just clouded it. Florence was amazing in it as she is in everything and the directing was quite good, script issues notwithstanding.
I would argue that quitting would be staying in the relationship because you sacrifice both your emotional health for the sake of a title called "relationship". You quit compromising, you quit communication, you quit growing as people just so that the outside world can say you "worked it out."
Second time watching through these reactions, and Suraj is right, it *is* quitting, but quitting is not inherently a bad thing. Gotta stop looking at "quitting" as synonymous to something bad.
Ideally, any relationship can be maintained and made into the "right relationship." However, compatibility and growth of person can really pull people apart. If you're playing a video game and you have an idea for how the ending of the game should be but it end sooner, you didn't quit the game. The game ended before you thought it would end. They finished their relationship because there was nothing more to do. It's over before they thought it would end and thus not quitting. If you wanted to go 24 rounds in Valorant but only made it to 13, you didn't quit., The game ended. Ted's marriage didn't quit, it ended. There's no more levels no more challenges because what they learned about themselves and personal growth was that they weren't right for each others happiness despite having a child and despite having gone through therapy. That's reality of life, sometimes your partner isn't the right person for you but you force it out of personal reasons. This only makes everyone unhappy and it's unfortunate but it's an important life lesson. Self actualization is hard and this was the most mature and self actualized display of two people coming to with the reality of themselves and their relationships. So Rana and Navi are right but terrible at explaining it. It's not Quitting because quitting means there's more to still do and pursue. It's just over because there's nothing left to do or save, only to destroy each other's happiness.
I'm a guy and quitting infers a choice if you still have more than one option, or like the ladies said, you have the option of saving your dog or not...If your dog/patient is inoperable/dead you are "forced" to quit further treatment/cpr.
he did technically have a choice, she was willing to keep trying ...that said, don't think the dictionary definition ever mentions choice, just: to cease or discontinue: synonym: stop. To resign from or relinquish. To depart from; leave.
to your debate about them splitting up, the boys dont match your thoughts is because when the girls kept saying "theres nothing else to do" its YOUR opinion that theres NOTHING, that means she already gave up and just thinks theres nothing else to do. but on lasso's side theres still a lot to do, he is still willing to work for it to work, he DIDNT quit on the relationship. he didnt give up. the girls kept saying the phrase "theres nothign else to do" that means you didnt WANT to attempt to fix anything, and just QUIT.
The reason it is quitting is because he's quitting holding onto her. You don't need to be in a mutual relationship and you don't need the other person to reciprocate your feelings in order to hold onto someone and your love for them. He decided to quit trying to hold onto her because he realized it wasn't best for her.
I think that maybe the guys are confusing the idea of synonyms meaning the same thing as the other. synonyms are just words that have similar ideas but it doesn’t mean they are the exact same thing. also technically I don’t even think “quit” and “end” and “let go” are even synonyms of each other. if we look at it from a purely technical and definition standpoint (or semantics as stated in the video), “quit,” “end,” and “let go” are different from each other. to “quit” is to leave or resign from something. to “end” is for something to come to its natural conclusion or finale. to “let go” is to let something or someone free. I also think that “quit” is most often used in situations when there *are* other options. so in the situation with ted and his wife’s relationship, there were no other options. not an option that would ensure both of their happiness because she actively tried and made an effort and it *still* wasn’t working. he tried and held on and it *still* wasn’t working. they were both hurting and it wasn’t either of their faults. the relationship came to its natural *end* because there was nothing else they could do to keep it going. I also agree with another comment that said that ted is essentially using the word “quit” in place of “failure” so he believes that he failed relationship and she’s reassuring him that he didn’t fail. p.s. I’m a transmasc lesbian so um take that as what you will??? for the gender survey lol
Quitting doesn't necessarily have to have a negative connotation. He is quitting, and that's GOOD! He needed to quit for everyone's sake. Quitting doesn't = bad (also I'm a woman btw)
Something that’s really lovely to think about when watching this episode: Higgins and his on-screen wife are really married. So all of their love on the screen is genuine. It’s just so wholesome.
I had no idea, that's amazing
You have to look at it in context, and at what the subtext to the actual words is.
Ted says, "I promised myself I wouldn't ever quit anything". This tells you something about his character. He sees "quitting" (in this case let the relationship end) as a failure. Michelle is trying to tell him it's not a failing. She does that by changing the language from "quit" to "let go". Yes it's semantics but there's also real meaning there. He's saying, "I knew this was ending but I didn't want to let it because I feel like that makes me a failure." She's saying, "You're not a failure. You're letting me live my life and be happy."
And actually focussing so much on "not quitting" in the not-a-failure sense is a way an otherwise good person like Ted can end up hurting people.
(male fwiw)
She's wrong though. The correct way for her to say it is you're not quitting because I am because at the end of the day that's what she did. She prioritized feelings of love/chemistry, that very well may come back, over a partnership that clearly worked and was way better for the kid. Now they'll be divorced and the kid will suffer. All just so she can potentially be "happier". Society tells ppl that's ok these days. It isn't its selfish.
@@kevinb1277 Nonsense, my parents serparated when I was 12, I supported them than in that decision and it didn't negatively impact me or my siblings. Every case is individual, and parents staying together that have fallen out of love imo is not in the kids interest.
@@Icetemplar I agree. My parents separated when I was in university due to my mom and I living in Canada while my dad worked in Japan for 8 years. Seeing my mom being all alone in a country where she doesn't speak the language while trying to raise a child made me feel awful. Plus the constant fighting about them not being able to see each as often impacted me negatively. Children are not stupid. If your relationship is reaching an end, the kid knows. It's not fair to put your child through stress like that. It's more healthy for everyone to just let the relationship go. I'm so happy to see my mom and dad being happy with someone else that can provide the love they need rather than them forcing themselves to stay together.
“This tells you something about his character.” 100% correct. And this theme comes up again later in the series as well.
Yeah I feel like it’s Quitting vs Failure. Ted can handle failure. “It’s not about the wins and losses,” but he couldn’t handle the thought that he didn’t try everything. But he did. And it still didn’t work. The marriage failed. To me, his arc is finding peace with that knowledge.
I agree with the women (and am also a woman) that it's not quitting to walk away from a relationship that's over. I think the guys are sort of confusing quitting for losing. It's not quitting to play a board game (for example) until the end and still not come out the winner, but it is quitting to stop playing before the game is over. Idk, the analogy makes sense in my head; just my two cents.
Board game is a great example that I think works well in the context of the show!
Seems like the whole thing was more about them thinking quitting as a negative thing. Sometimes it's what is needed, doesn't mean you gave up.
I don't think they were looking at it as losing, but that you should keep trying. The issue of course is that by the time you get to this point, you've been trying, for a long time. From a divorced man, I thought about divorce for two years before it happened, and it turns out my ex wife did too. We didn't hate each other, we're still friends now. But we did fall out of love with one another over time. And it took two years of trying to recapture that feeling for each other to realize it was gone for good.
This might change after you see the new episode that dropped today on apple tv not very happy with the direction they took of that cause I liked that it was originally no ones fault
I disagree. The dude literally said a bunch of times that it's semantics and they doubled down and even said that when you say they quit you mean they should've kept going. It's not. People say they quit drinking or drugs or other stuff that's bad for them all the time. Nobody assumes they mean they failed at anything by doing that, or that the implication is that they should've kept doing it. Everybody agrees the relationship was beyond saving and by letting his wife go Ted was giving up on trying to save it or force it to work and it was the right thing to do. The girls flat out refused to even attempt to understand what the guys were saying.
It's not quitting. They tried everything and they moved on amicably. They are moving on to a different type of relationship.
I agree. Quit is the wrong word to use in their siuation
As someone who absolutely hates divorce, I do think they were quitting.
Love is more than just emotions. Love is choosing someone regardless sometimes of how you feel about them.
@@thatweirdnigerianguy nah,that ain't love
I agree with this and I am a female btw agreeing on this.
I agree. It's falling out of love and sad but it's not quitting.
Quitting something can be very healthy depending on the context. Quitting does not have to be synonymous with failure. Quit can just mean you ended something at your own volition.
If a relationship comes to its natural end, it’s not quitting. Quit is one of those words that has several meanings, but I think we most associate it with “giving up,” in a negative context. In a job, I would quit a job I hated and resign a job I liked, but I’d reached the end of my time with. I think Michelle and Ted are resigned to their situation and are moving forward without each other, not “quitting.” My two cents!
How is it the 'natural end'? I doubt Ted or maybe even Michelle would say it is "natural" how their marriage ends.
@@musayt How is it anything but natural?
@@musayt they accepted that it wouldn’t be good for them to stay together and both willingly chose to separate. That’s about as natural and healthy as divorce gets.
@@hasan_1888 I know your Christian indoctrination made it so you’d never change, but the majority of people do. Those changes may lead to them no longer loving someone how they once did.
I recently started season 2 and I'm so glad I got into this show. Being able to rewatch these with you guys is gonna be such a treat!
This show is so good, this past batch of episodes were my favourites. The comedy and emotion is perfectly balanced.
Roy and Keeley are my absolute favorite characters. I love them!
Honestly, I’m so glad that there’s women on the couch for this reaction because I’ve watched other men react to this episode before, and they don’t always fully understand the situation between Ted & Michelle or Ted’s decision to let Michelle go. Happy to have Rana and Navi here!!❤
To me, it's not quitting because the relationship has effectively already ended. I think it cn be compared to a TV show getting canceled. I have seem sometimes headlines about shows getting "canceled" in a season that is intended to be the final one. That's not greeting canceled, that's just ending. Sometimes things run their course and just end, and some shows keep going for extra seasons without having any more real story to tell and just end up badly.
The fact that Ted was able to overcome the toxic parts of what society says a man has to be, in order for everyone to be better off, is *exactly* why he's such a great character.
The quitting debate did feel a little semantic to me but I think the girls had a stronger point. To me saying he "quit" implies that there was some noble alternative in continuing on, which wasn't the case anymore with the relationship. If he had walked away after one or two fights that could have been fixed, you could call it quitting, but this was more than that.
But I agree with Suraj that the Believe moment was still sad! Even though Ted did the right thing it still felt to him like the first time he's quit and it's easy to feel his disappointment.
lol 30:25 love how she framed it as not wanting to "quit" trying to fix the relationship which leads to the answer being, you have to quit trying because it's making everybody unhappy, but she back tracks when it's pointed out to her. It really is just they are seeing it from two different perspectives that ultimately end with the same conclusion, just with a different name to what they are doing. The wife's perspective is Ted giving her an out of this looping spiral of misery, and Ted's perspective of having to quit trying to fix something that can't be fixed. It's the correct conclusion but, for Ted's sake, it was important for him to frame it in her pov since he has such an issue with quitting and helping him accept not all things can be fixed.
This show balances the deep stuff with the comedy so well. You really feel for every character and you can see how they change and how they became how they are. It’s just so good. Really love it. And it only gets better.
A lot of times I feel like Pat is just talking to talk and commenting things to get a reactions, not taking things serious but it was nice although kinda surprising to hear him say you can’t blame Michelle, she tried when Ted tells her he will let her go.
And then the quitting conversation began…
On the topic of "can they give a yellow card for fighting a team mate", there's a famous incident from the Premier League where two Newcastle players (Kieron Dyer and Lee Bowyer) fought each other and received red cards and got thrown off.
This show is so good to have in the rotation.
Ummmm so about the "quiting" conversation, I think when Suraj was trying to say that the semantics of the word was the only thing in disagreement he had a point. Ted's relationship had run its course and the only reasonable option was for it to end - but ultimately it's just an option. As horrible as it may be there is still the option of continuing to force the relationship and refusing to sign divorce papers and being a leech to his wife till the end.
So of course since Ted isn't a bad man he's "letting her go" aka "ending" the relationship aka "quiting" his pursuit of her. Quit/end/exit are all synonyms. Although it may not sound nice and the word definitly has negative conotations, quiting is sometimes the best option in some situations - so yes Ted did the right thing by quiting his relationship.
The key is to think of it in terms of his mental mindset. He absolutely is quitting. He's quitting trying to hold on to her. He could have chosen to hold onto her forever, even if she divorced him.
I think the problem is that people tend to think about love and relationships as intrinsically two-sided, when they're really not. Like, of course there are two sides. But I feel like people fail to recognize that at its core, it's two one-sided experiences that just happen to come together. From his side, he was in love with her. He didn't want to give up on or quit his love for her. But he chose to, and to try to move on, for her sake.
Great debate. Anything that one or both parties agree for logical and the right answer to be over is quitting. Semantics .... an individual choosing to stop trying, even if it's because you tried absolutely EVERYTHING and it's what's absolutely the BEST decision...is the definition of quitting. To quit: to leave (usually permanently) to stop or discontinue.
Love these Ted recaps - the four of you are brilliant! It's so nice to relive the episodes through you. The only criticism I have is that I want them more quickly lol :) Kaz
This show... god man. Such a balance of heart and hurt.
There’s something ab Rana and Nahid both crying at the same part on separate channels that’s making my heart hurt for both of them.
Rana saying it’s too realistic and relatable and Nahid being so raw and talking ab how he was going thru something which made that scene worse.
I wish them both well and hope they’re both healing
@@blackhippy47149 damn do you know something I don’t bc all I saw from Nahid’s vid was that they broke up but didn’t owe an explanation to anyone. I didn’t think either of them revealed why.
I think it’s important to the character of Ted that he never give up or quit. It’s important to his character that we learn a lot more why he feels this way. I totally get where Suraj is coming from and despite that I feel like her was kinda ganged up on. I’d view it as quitting as well even though there’s nothing else to do. Not to say it’s a competition, but sometimes you can’t help but feeling like you could’ve done something different and maybe things can change if you hold out a little bit longer. Throwing in the towel ensures Ted will never be with his wife. Continuing to try may have a 0.000001% chance of it working out. He’s letting go of that chance to spare her so they can both move on. So he’s going to feel as though he has quit. He made the right decision for both of them but as someone who never quits, it’s difficult for him to admit that quitting in this instance is the right choice. He made that choice and he’ll feel how he feels but that’s just how he views the situation. I think if I were in his shoes I’d feel the same way. Male here.
the way i see it, a lot of people quit while still being in a relationship: they quit communicating or they quit trying to make ends meet, to have a civil conversation or make the each other laugh or something like that. in this context i don't see it as quitting because they really tried what they could to make it right. it really is about semantics at the end of the day though
i’m w/ rana, that leaving the peanut butter jar open and exposed to dust or anything that wants to land in it is gross 😭
I think Rana and Navi are not thinking of the literal meaning of “quit” and adding a negative weight to it. I think we can agree that Ted and his wife “discontinued” their relationship. You might say they “resigned” from their relationship or “left” the relationship. Those are all words used to define “quit”. “Quit” doesn’t inherently imply giving up on something when you have reasonable options. It simply means to discontinue, resign, cease, stop, etc. Quitting can be a good thing, like if a man shoots his shot with a woman and she politely turns him down, he should quit pursuing her. Or, like in the scenario presented in this episode. There’s a time to persist and a time to quit and it’s important to recognize which is the healthy choice in a given situation.
americans in general tend to interpret quitting necessarily as a negative thing, wich is not the case. If you quit something bad that should be good, right? Like a bad job or smoking for example...
They quit and that was the best option. I think thats exactly the message in this episode, sometomes the braviest and the smartest thing to do is just quit!
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The discussion at the end is the difference between quitting and losing, and it isn't semantics. Ted didn't quit, he lost. Relationships require (at least) two participants and if you're the only one left holding on then you're holding onto a dead thing and "refusing to quit" isn't perseverance, it's denial. To "quit" implies there is still a positive outcome to be "won." Acknowledging defeat when it's already over isn't quitting, it's acceptance.
Keep in mind, this things are recorded WAY in advance, sometimes a whole year. So it's a little hard to nail the timing.
Good discussion on quitting. One word many variations on meaning. My favourite normies doing their thing!
The word ‘quit’ implies that there is still an option to continue, but one chooses not to take it. If there are no more options left…it’s not quitting, it’s accepting the situation. If there’s still fuel in the tank, stopping the car and getting out would be quitting the journey. If the car has run out of fuel, there’s no point sitting in a stationary vehicle, you acknowledge reality and exit.
It’s not quitting. It’s accepting that the relationship has ended.❤️
it is quitting, but quitting is not inherently a bad thing. Gotta stop looking at "quitting" as synonymous to something bad.
I rarely comment on videos but the debate on the word "quit" was driving me up the wall 😂 quitting is not a negative thing and I think that association is where the disconnect was. Ted did quit trying to make the relationship work and in doing so let his wife go. And it was good. It is good to quit certain things. Quit smoking. Good. Quit a toxic job. Also good. And so on. He quit a relationship that wasn't working and it was the right thing for both of them and there's nothing wrong with that. She only rephrased it to "letting her go" because he has an internalized negative association with the idea of quitting anything- which is a seedling for the idea that Ted isn't actually as perfect and put together as he might appear. Also I'm a man for survey purposes lol
I agree with the quitting argument. It is quitting on the relationship. If it wasn't quitting, then you would fight through it even if it hurts, hoping for it to work out at the end. Because even though she was hurting, so was he, but he is hurting because she doesn't love him. Yes, she wanted to stick around and try, but he already knew she wouldn't come back. So he called a quit for both of them since she would not make that decision. Just my opinion. So I vote for it being quitting on the relationship.
such a great cast of characters i love each one when they are on the screen. And Keeley is my favorite? what?
Loved the ending discussion lol.
Another great episode
The actress that plays Mrs Julie Higgins is the real life wife of the actor that plays Higgins. 😊💜
Here is a mind bender for you. You're right about the Olivia Wilde situation, but honestly they are sill business partners and have a very supportive relationship. But the young woman that left with Rebecca's ex is actually with Jason and is the inspiration for Keely's character.
Quitting imply something is working and you quit . But when everything stop and not working there is nothing to quit.
The marriage was let go…. Not the relationship. It was. It quitting .. more like retiring . The job was done and now it’s onto something new. Love the banter
Relationships can be so hard, especially, when you have to say goodbye.
one of my favorite shows for sure.
Personally, with the 'Quitting' Scenario', I was trying to find the right words. But I found a better way to think of it.
It's more like a 'Game Over'. You did everything you could. Went through the motions, and this is the ending you got. Both parties tried. Both sides made choices, and they came to a mutual agreement and the ending came. It's a conclusion that wasn't made in anger, or malice or resigning to failure in a negative manner. It is because you /care/ for the other. Quitting is in interest of yourself, where as this scenario, with Ted and his {ex} wife, it is for the other. Neither of them want to hurt the other anymore. They see that pain they're going through, and experiencing in real time. That isn't quitting. That is overall the results from seeing all the choices they've made and choosing the better path for their loved one. A natural way of ending rather than a severance.
{my POV as someone identifying as She/They}
I know this video is months old, I just wanted to correct the Jason Sudeikis/Olivia Wilde story: Their relationship ended at the beginning of 2020 (according to People magazine who broke the news of the split later that year). Olivia started seeing Harry Styles almost a year later (the first pictures of them are from the start of 2021). 😉
I think the fundamental difference between the guys and girls defining if it was quitting or not, is that the girls gave quitting a negative connotation, while the guys gave it a neutral one.... so for the guys, quitting because the relationship was at an end was not a bad thing to do, while for the girls if you use the word quitting they see it as a bad thing, so they think the guys are saying it was a bad thing to quit the relationship, when the guys didn't mean it in a bad way.
When you enter into a relationship with someone, whether it’s a bf/gf, husband/wife, or whatever, you make a promise, a pledge, or an oath, right? Implied or overt, you are promising to make the decision every day to exclusively love that person. This isn’t the fleeting, surface-level, physical, lustful, infatuation-type love. This is a choice to act on a loving way and to care for the other person in a way that puts their needs above your own. Obviously not in a toxic, codependent way, but in a way that earnestly demonstrates that you are still choosing to love them and show this individual they are of extreme importance to you… even after that fire and excitement has grown dim; especially in these times.
If, at some point in the future, you decide to stop making that effort… to stop making that daily decision to love that person, even if it’s at their request, and/or it’s in their best interest, you are still quitting your oath and your bond. For better or for worse, you have quit. No negative connotation needed. It is the cessation of the act of love, or more accurately, the termination of agreement between two parties. And, if one party quits, it leaves no choice for the other BUT to quit.
Ted still loves her, but out of respect for her decision to quit the relationship, his must quit his obligation to demonstrate and act upon that love.
The girls are talking about what it feels like giving up and if it should be considered as a personal failure and the guys are talking about the Merriam-Webster definition.
It's not quiting. The journey has reached Its end, it's moving on!
I agree that it is not quitting on the relationship since they made seemingly every effort to make it work. I could see the argument for it being failure, as in the relationship failed for whatever reason. In this case i saw it more that she felt like a bad person for not returning his feelings but also his level of energy towards her. when she said she would keep trying it sounded more like a plea that she would do better because she felt like a bad person for not returning his feelings after however long the relationship was and with how he is also so affectionate and kind and giving at a level she cannot match. her whole relationship has basically been a big love bomb that she feels pressured to return even though Ted isn't asking her to. Therapy cannot fix that in their relationship because asking Ted to tone that down feels like asking him to care less and she would feel like a bad person. So Ted wasn't giving up but more telling her it was okay for her to feel how she does and she doesn't need to punish herself for not meeting an impossible standard. This is the relationship failing and both parties accepting what they are but not quitting because they made all the efforts they could and found no way to solve this without hurting each other. Plus ending on good terms, and having a child means they need to preserve some relationship they can manage to keep things good for the kid. (as for Navi's question on gender, I am a male)
I’m a guy and I can see the differences between “quitting” and ending a bad relationship
To the fellas, the version of quitting you are using ( in the call of duty example) has a different meaning
It’s a good learning opportunity for people that see the word “quit” only as in “stop trying”..there are other ways to define ending a relationship and it doesn’t always mean it’s quitting
The guys really have no idea the difference between an ending and quitting.
The relationship was ending, it's not quitting to recognize the spark was gone...
Where is the the playlist I can't no longer find the playlist
9:00 is teamfourstar referencing the jamie tart jingle in their buu buts?
I know you all registered this episode a long time ago for Patreon so you probably won't read this, but I just wanted to say that I apprecciate you all and I'd like to give Rana the biggest hug ever. Greetings from Italy!
A sports analogy for the guys on the couch in relation to the whole quitting discussion - If you run a marathon and upon crossing the finish line you stop running, have you just quit or is the race simply over?
Ted and his wife had run their race, they had tried everything they could to make it work, but they had already crossed the finish line. Stopping when the race is over isn't the same as pulling out at the 20 mile mark and stopping something when you realise it has come to its end isn't the same as quitting it half way through.
Ted Lasso is the #1 show for me right now.
Ooh man. Lucky me gets to be view and comment number 1. Keep up the great content normies! 🎉❤
Ted: Okay, I got one. What if I joined forces with a swashbuckling cat to play tiny guitars for women of the night as we read Alex Haley's most seminal work?
Coach Beard: You'd be in cahoots with Puss in Boots, playing lutes for prostitutes, reading Roots.
Ted: No, The Autobiography of Malcolm X. I gotcha.
My opinion on the quitting thing (M18): It is quitting, but i dont think quitting is always a bad thing. Like in Teds relationship or the example with the dog quitting is the right way, but it is still "quitting".
If the road ends, is it quitting to turn around?
I watched this video to the end. I didn’t quit, I just let you go, when the video ended.
Ted tried everything to make her happy and nothing worked so he's making the right decision to stop trying and walk away. That's literally the definition of quitting. The girls are hearing the word "quitting" and thinking that means it's the wrong decision. sometimes quitting is the only option.
Im way to late on this but in my opinion as a male, I agree with the boys, I just think they explained themselves wrong. Ive watched this show about 5 times now and also seen all sorts of press and behind the scenes and podcast with cast crew and directors so I think I know the show quite well. I think that Ted says he "quits" the relationship and where the girls didnt agree was because you cant nessaserily save a sinking ship but in teds optomistic eyes you can atleast try until you drop dead to save it. So in his mind what he is doing is quitting because he is in fact stopping his attempts to salvage the relationship. He says that hes quitting the relationship but it truley is just him, a full time optomist telling us this is the first thing that he hasnt been able to fix or solve, almost to his breaking point. Thats just my opinion.
A lot of people here are saying the whole “quitting” debate is just semantics. Well, yeah, but semantics matter. Words carry additional meaning beyond their dictionary definition, which is why we have so many of them. The connotations can be very different, so it matters which words we use. Otherwise we could make do with just good/bad, hot/cold, nice/mean, etc.
By insisting on using the word “quit”, you are also choosing the negative connotations that are attached to that word. If you don’t want those negative implications, then you need to choose a different word with different connotations.
Ted’s red sneakers in this episode… keep an eye out for references to The Wizard of Oz throughout the show
Ted makes the decision to quit trying to fix his relationship, not because they had successfully fixed it, but because he realized that to keep trying would make things worse. He is 'quitting' but he realized it was the best way forward in this situation.
4:25 - 4:29 Rana lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
You can't force somebody to love you.
And you can't force someone to feel like letting go isn't a surrender.
Ted knows that it is the right thing to do for the sake of Michele.
He's just not happy about it, because to him, it *feels* like quitting. It *feels* like giving up any hope for reconciliation.
Because this is the closest he's ever been to actively doing that.
Definition of Quit
To cease or discontinue: synonym: stop.
To resign from or relinquish.
To depart from; leave.
By definition of quit, its literally quit. But quitting isn't always a bad thing. Theres nothing wrong with quitting. Its not a bad thing to quit sometimes. Im a man. Maybe, the ladies have a different definition of quit which is fine, words can mean differently for people but I use the literal webster definition.
When two people get married they commit to each other, for life, no matter what. They don't say "unless I fall out of love with you" or "unless I'm not happy." Literally through good times, bad times, sickness, health, "till death do us part." So for Ted Lasso to let her go, he is breaking his vow - a sworn promise - and in that way it's quitting. He does it because he loves her and doesn't want her to be unhappy with him, and, simultaneously, it is quitting, giving up on the relationship being able to survive. I would like the two women on the couch to understand that, because that's what it means when a man takes those vows.
How about quitting vs ending? Quitting implies a premature ending or maybe stopping a thing early, vs reaching a natural endpoint like the end of a planned trip. Most people hope the only natural, completion point of their relationship is til-death-do-us-part, but often the end of their journey comes much earlier. They didn't quit early; they've reached the end, so the journey is completed. Like when the roller coaster ride is over, you didn't it quit it, it's just over. Nothing left to do but get out off the ride.
It's both quitting and not quitting at the same time, and that's why this show is a masterpiece.
It's not quitting, what these two was talking about was refusing to quit. Ted took her side and feelings to account, he obviously still wanted her to come around but forcibly stay in her life against her feelings are not healthy.
The word quitting I feel just has a negative connotation to it. Quitting just means to stop, terminate or leave. To stop trying and quit trying are the same thing. In the context of this relationship it was the best course of action. I just think people put themselves in certain characters shoes and see the scene through the lens of their past heartbreaks and get defensive. Neither Michelle nor Ted did anything wrong. No one gets defensive when you say “you quit smoking”, so quitting a relationship that is harmful should have the same connotation. Sometimes quitting is good for your health.
Darn, that's rough. Its not quitting tho.
Both sides of this semantics issue are right - but the girls are leaning into the negative connotations of the word "quit", whereas the boys are taking it as just a synonym of "stop".
I don’t feel like either Ted or Michelle “quit” they just failed. Failed to communicate, failed to see each other, failed to stay committed. It’s sad, tragic even, but marriages fail. Often. Failure might be an even more bitter pill to swallow than quitting.
People don’t “quit” a marriage because even though it takes work, it isn’t a job. As Higgins said when it’s right even the hard times are easy.
She failed, but he quit. He was still committed, he still loved her. He chose to give that up willingly and try to move on, for her sake.
I agree is not quitting, but the guys have a point when it comes to her not making the final decision. She could have asked for the divorce just as easily, but she made him make the call which crushed him even more and made him feel like quitting even if it’s not
I see Lasso I like. Just that simple.
She quit the relationship. To think that, years into a marriage, you will wake up every day feeling the same way you did in the beginning is sooooooo unrealistic. She quit, so he had to quit too. I'm female, and married for 30 years.
It’s not quitting if the relationship already died
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 I will never understand you people. One day your wife/husband wake up and tells you she/he doesn't love you anymore and you all believe it's a natural end of a relationship. I will never understand westerners way of love and marriage. Does she get alimony and half of his assets after divorce too?
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 the definition of the word quit is to leave permanently. which is what they did. leave the marriage permanently. which is to quit. i dont understand why so many people here dont have a basic understanding of a simple word
As a man...i feel like the "quitting" conversation could have been resolved much quicker with a Roy Kent headbutt to both of the guys in this reaction!
😂 I’m coming to this a year late. Great convo at the end. I’m a man and here’s my 2 cents. I see the wife’s point BUT she doesn’t get to decide what’s the appropriate amount of time for Ted to be ready to move on. The ladies here are only seeing it from the wife’s POV. She may be ready to “let go” or “put the dog down” but that doesn’t mean Ted is which is why he sees it as quitting. You ladies really are putting too much emphasis on the word “quit”. That’s what it is for him. Ted will have to quit on trying to reconcile in order to make his wife happy. He was still in the mode of “working” on the relationship. Had she not come to town he wouldn’t have decided on his own that NOW was the time to “let go”. As an example the ladies thought Jamie sleeping with another woman so fast after Keely dumped him was somehow wrong. Why is it wrong for Jamie to “let go” faster than Keely but not for Ted’s wife. Everyone has a different quit timer in their head and it’s never going to be in sync with your partner. It doesn’t make either of them right or wrong. But the guys here ARE right that this IS quitting from Ted’s POV because he wasn’t done trying yet.
I wouldn't say Don't Worry Darling is a bad movie, just mediocre and disappointing. The behind the scenes drama which most of was alleged just clouded it. Florence was amazing in it as she is in everything and the directing was quite good, script issues notwithstanding.
Also her pinning it on Olivia when there were rumor of her husband cheating. The actor is not Ted. And no one is perfect
@@fembrucewayne1904 Jason exposes himself to the young women writers on Ted Lasso. Also, they were never married. Jason is not a good guy.
I would argue that quitting would be staying in the relationship because you sacrifice both your emotional health for the sake of a title called "relationship". You quit compromising, you quit communication, you quit growing as people just so that the outside world can say you "worked it out."
Should've had Letterkenny reactions, also Shoresy. Missed opportunities.
Second time watching through these reactions, and Suraj is right, it *is* quitting, but quitting is not inherently a bad thing. Gotta stop looking at "quitting" as synonymous to something bad.
Olivia Wilde and Jason Sudeikis were never married, but they were together for nearly a decade. And they have two kids together.
Ideally, any relationship can be maintained and made into the "right relationship." However, compatibility and growth of person can really pull people apart. If you're playing a video game and you have an idea for how the ending of the game should be but it end sooner, you didn't quit the game. The game ended before you thought it would end. They finished their relationship because there was nothing more to do. It's over before they thought it would end and thus not quitting. If you wanted to go 24 rounds in Valorant but only made it to 13, you didn't quit., The game ended. Ted's marriage didn't quit, it ended. There's no more levels no more challenges because what they learned about themselves and personal growth was that they weren't right for each others happiness despite having a child and despite having gone through therapy. That's reality of life, sometimes your partner isn't the right person for you but you force it out of personal reasons. This only makes everyone unhappy and it's unfortunate but it's an important life lesson. Self actualization is hard and this was the most mature and self actualized display of two people coming to with the reality of themselves and their relationships. So Rana and Navi are right but terrible at explaining it. It's not Quitting because quitting means there's more to still do and pursue. It's just over because there's nothing left to do or save, only to destroy each other's happiness.
I'm a guy and quitting infers a choice if you still have more than one option, or like the ladies said, you have the option of saving your dog or not...If your dog/patient is inoperable/dead you are "forced" to quit further treatment/cpr.
he did technically have a choice, she was willing to keep trying
...that said, don't think the dictionary definition ever mentions choice, just:
to cease or discontinue: synonym: stop. To resign from or relinquish. To depart from; leave.
Mrs. Higgins is Higgins’s wife in real life
It is quitting, but sometimes you have to know when to quit
to your debate about them splitting up, the boys dont match your thoughts is because when the girls kept saying "theres nothing else to do" its YOUR opinion that theres NOTHING, that means she already gave up and just thinks theres nothing else to do. but on lasso's side theres still a lot to do, he is still willing to work for it to work, he DIDNT quit on the relationship. he didnt give up. the girls kept saying the phrase "theres nothign else to do" that means you didnt WANT to attempt to fix anything, and just QUIT.
The reason it is quitting is because he's quitting holding onto her. You don't need to be in a mutual relationship and you don't need the other person to reciprocate your feelings in order to hold onto someone and your love for them. He decided to quit trying to hold onto her because he realized it wasn't best for her.
I think that maybe the guys are confusing the idea of synonyms meaning the same thing as the other. synonyms are just words that have similar ideas but it doesn’t mean they are the exact same thing. also technically I don’t even think “quit” and “end” and “let go” are even synonyms of each other. if we look at it from a purely technical and definition standpoint (or semantics as stated in the video), “quit,” “end,” and “let go” are different from each other. to “quit” is to leave or resign from something. to “end” is for something to come to its natural conclusion or finale. to “let go” is to let something or someone free. I also think that “quit” is most often used in situations when there *are* other options. so in the situation with ted and his wife’s relationship, there were no other options. not an option that would ensure both of their happiness because she actively tried and made an effort and it *still* wasn’t working. he tried and held on and it *still* wasn’t working. they were both hurting and it wasn’t either of their faults. the relationship came to its natural *end* because there was nothing else they could do to keep it going. I also agree with another comment that said that ted is essentially using the word “quit” in place of “failure” so he believes that he failed relationship and she’s reassuring him that he didn’t fail.
p.s. I’m a transmasc lesbian so um take that as what you will??? for the gender survey lol
Quitting doesn't necessarily have to have a negative connotation. He is quitting, and that's GOOD! He needed to quit for everyone's sake. Quitting doesn't = bad (also I'm a woman btw)
He allowed her to quit
FYI: The actress that pays Higgins' wife is married to him in real life.
Looks like Jason and Olivia's issues started back at the end of 2019