Thanks for the clarification Tim. So the chances are that the volume indicator on my charts does not represent the true amount of shares being traded especially if it is one of the more liquid issues.
You said 8 years ago they need to be reduced..... They have massively expanded over that time imagine the dollar amount in total they have collectively stolen
Ok so the reply is a bit fiddly. The original trades don't happen on exchange but if they are in an exchange-listed security they have to be trade reported to the exchange after a deal is done which then delays publication by the exchange to the rest of the market (by a matter of days in some cases). Iceberg orders are only available on some exchanges (London) where electronic dealing predominates (it still doesn't in New York). But even in London the use of icebergs is optional. Tim.
Have a question on this video - Tims video on "What is an Exchange" mentioned that one of the advantage of an exchange is that it provides anonymity. Seems like the major incentives why a dark pool is popular is because it also provides anonymity. If such benefit was already provided by an exchange why would someone go to a dark pool??? Seems like i am missing a concept somewhere here.
Another good presentation Tim, thanks. This is very disappointing for a retail trader/investor like myself who relies on technical analysis and in particular on volume of any particular stock being analysed. A couple of questions if I may 1) You said at the beginning that these trades go through the exchange but a the end said that they do not, which is it please? 2) Why do they not just use iceberg orders? Thanks again and keep up the good work.
"Can you buy assets that aren't denominated in rupees?" not sure what you mean by this .. can you explain it to me what kind of assets are these? thanks
Question, when the hedge funds need to cover their shorts, can they seek institutions willing to sell to them without going to the public exchange first? Basically, I fear all of the apes in AMC will hold out, but the institutions in the dark pool has first dibs.
But then he opens up being called a "gold bug" or some sort of derogatory term and thus could be dismissed as such. No, I think Tim should keep doing what he does. We need this stuff.
Can you buy assets that aren't denominated in rupees? This would be less speculative than buying gold I believe and protect you from depreciating local currency, gold exposes you to massive supply shocks and commodity markets - cyprus banks sold billions of dollars in gold - investors around the world are running out of copper, oil, precious metals and other commodities - you are participating in this volatile market with gold, it's not a safe haven, purely spec play imho.
food inflation 15% and gov reported inflation 8-10% each quarter here in India... fuel prices doubles in 4 years. so gold as an investment vehicle is very relevant at least in INDIA as speculative $s flood emerging markets.. our rupee was already devalued in 1991 IMF had us ship gold for a loan . so there is no one size fits all investment strategy for whole world... seeing what they did to deposits in Cyprus,even more reasons to worry .. $ is inflating bubbles n "with gold comes power"....
It could be years before reflation sets in. Years. Possibly many years. Nobody knows. Buying gold is a highly speculative investment strategy.. you are far more likely to make money investing in productive assets that generate surplus returns over time - good companies - even if those assets are dollar denominated. If you think you can guess where interest rates are going, by all means use gold to hedge, as insurance, not an investment in and of itself. Seriously!
i hear this perspective from western media..but i am not sure who is selling here no one is selling in India, the jewe stores are packed as people see this drop as huge buying opportunity and buy up every thing from coins to bars... its was illegal for us to own bars and coin between 1963-1991 due to deficits...people here see inflation day in day out so they seem to know why gold! ... gold outperformed our stock markets hands down last 12 years... i like real estate but its at bubble levels...
@@salazardravens874 its everywhere.. even rural farmland prices have no connect with their earning potential.... we either need o have a huge crash in prices or a currency collapse of Indian rupee...when price in rupee does not even matter...
@@IdoCareForPeople Are you a ProTrader? Do you think Gold has topped right now or is it going to continue making new highs? The Vaccines are already here.
@@salazardravens874 sorry i am not a pro... and also dont rely on anyone who claims to be one as no one knows where certain price is moving for sure...learn why gold is moving..its because of govs printing money and they are not going to stop... if you dont have at-least 10% of saving in gold / silver already.... now is not a bad time to get in... In India you can even get away with 30% allocation to gold as our currency is garbage.... at the current price silver looks better value than gold... cheers...
Cyprus has about 13 tons of gold so hardly 600 million in value... so they could not have sold billion worth so you see this was panic that was cooked up..we indians have 20,000 tons even at conservative estimates... we are not selling for sure...
so the basic argument for dark pools is, we the rich don't want the market, the invisible hand, the supply and demand, to work as it should, as it will affect our transaction, costing us to lose money. yeah that sounds like you're arguing you don't want capitalism to function properly, as it doesn't suit you. if that's the case, may I recommend socialism if we are abandoning capitalism.
Stock exchange in the first place is a scam bussiness. How come you pay 100usd for something that doesn't exist and you only get 1usd in return per year. So fishy
Thanks for the clarification Tim. So the chances are that the volume indicator on my charts does not represent the true amount of shares being traded especially if it is one of the more liquid issues.
Dark pool trading is included in daily volume. Just at the end of the day after market closes.
@@dhgcrack3r111 Thanks for your prompt reply LOL
@@GeordieFX 😆 7 years 11 months later.
Anyone else here leading up to the GME/AMC squeezes?
Yep! Enjoying educating myself on their fuckery. See you on the moon
@@clairejohnson7809 see you🚀
Here we are again.
You said 8 years ago they need to be reduced..... They have massively expanded over that time imagine the dollar amount in total they have collectively stolen
Ok so the reply is a bit fiddly. The original trades don't happen on exchange but if they are in an exchange-listed security they have to be trade reported to the exchange after a deal is done which then delays publication by the exchange to the rest of the market (by a matter of days in some cases). Iceberg orders are only available on some exchanges (London) where electronic dealing predominates (it still doesn't in New York). But even in London the use of icebergs is optional. Tim.
Have a question on this video - Tims video on "What is an Exchange" mentioned that one of the advantage of an exchange is that it provides anonymity. Seems like the major incentives why a dark pool is popular is because it also provides anonymity. If such benefit was already provided by an exchange why would someone go to a dark pool??? Seems like i am missing a concept somewhere here.
I have delisted the Russian ADR, Do you think I can able to sell or buy the Dark Pool OCT counter? Please let me know your thought
Another good presentation Tim, thanks. This is very disappointing for a retail trader/investor like myself who relies on technical analysis and in particular on volume of any particular stock being analysed. A couple of questions if I may
1) You said at the beginning that these trades go through the exchange but a the end said that they do not, which is it please?
2) Why do they not just use iceberg orders?
Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Play it again Sam..
Dude called it out 8 years ago
I’m here because it’s 90-95% now
"Can you buy assets that aren't denominated in rupees?" not sure what you mean by this .. can you explain it to me what kind of assets are these?
thanks
this video has aged brilliantly! 1M views incoming ;)
"Gone a little bit out of control" and he said thia EIGHT years ago. Look at it now.
Is the answer; 'because they play their music loud and are more likely to end in a brawl'? lol
Gme brought me here
See you on the moon
Quality information. Tim's explanations have always been much appreciated!
Question, when the hedge funds need to cover their shorts, can they seek institutions willing to sell to them without going to the public exchange first? Basically, I fear all of the apes in AMC will hold out, but the institutions in the dark pool has first dibs.
Once again another brilliant presentation!
But then he opens up being called a "gold bug" or some sort of derogatory term and thus could be dismissed as such. No, I think Tim should keep doing what he does. We need this stuff.
So dark pools you can launder money as a private equity company and never report to the feds.
Can you buy assets that aren't denominated in rupees? This would be less speculative than buying gold I believe and protect you from depreciating local currency, gold exposes you to massive supply shocks and commodity markets - cyprus banks sold billions of dollars in gold - investors around the world are running out of copper, oil, precious metals and other commodities - you are participating in this volatile market with gold, it's not a safe haven, purely spec play imho.
tim when are you going to make video on gold and silver or investing in real money... with all the economic chaos going on...?
food inflation 15% and gov reported inflation 8-10% each quarter here in India...
fuel prices doubles in 4 years. so gold as an investment vehicle is very relevant at least in INDIA as speculative $s flood emerging markets.. our rupee was already devalued in 1991 IMF had us ship gold for a loan . so there is no one size fits all investment strategy for whole world... seeing what they did to deposits in Cyprus,even more reasons to worry .. $ is inflating bubbles n
"with gold comes power"....
Concise and well presented. Thanks.
It could be years before reflation sets in. Years. Possibly many years. Nobody knows. Buying gold is a highly speculative investment strategy.. you are far more likely to make money investing in productive assets that generate surplus returns over time - good companies - even if those assets are dollar denominated. If you think you can guess where interest rates are going, by all means use gold to hedge, as insurance, not an investment in and of itself. Seriously!
AMC and GME brought me here
i hear this perspective from western media..but i am not sure who is selling here no one is selling in India, the jewe stores are packed as people see this drop as huge buying opportunity and buy up every thing from coins to bars... its was illegal for us to own bars and coin between 1963-1991 due to deficits...people here see inflation day in day out so they seem to know why gold! ... gold outperformed our stock markets hands down last 12 years... i like real estate but its at bubble levels...
Is Real Estate a bubble all across in India or only the Metros? Do you think there will eventually be a correction in Real Estate?
@@salazardravens874 its everywhere.. even rural farmland prices have no connect with their earning potential.... we either need o have a huge crash in prices or a currency collapse of Indian rupee...when price in rupee does not even matter...
@@IdoCareForPeople Are you a ProTrader? Do you think Gold has topped right now or is it going to continue making new highs? The Vaccines are already here.
@@salazardravens874 sorry i am not a pro... and also dont rely on anyone who claims to be one as no one knows where certain price is moving for sure...learn why gold is moving..its because of govs printing money and they are not going to stop... if you dont have at-least 10% of saving in gold / silver already.... now is not a bad time to get in... In India you can even get away with 30% allocation to gold as our currency is garbage.... at the current price silver looks better value than gold... cheers...
@@IdoCareForPeople Thanks
Fantastic as always
Cyprus has about 13 tons of gold so hardly 600 million in value... so they could not have sold billion worth so you see this was panic that was cooked up..we indians have 20,000 tons even at conservative estimates... we are not selling for sure...
Try to resist the temptation to speak like you're reading a mystery story to a five year old.
so the basic argument for dark pools is, we the rich don't want the market, the invisible hand, the supply and demand, to work as it should, as it will affect our transaction, costing us to lose money.
yeah that sounds like you're arguing you don't want capitalism to function properly, as it doesn't suit you.
if that's the case, may I recommend socialism if we are abandoning capitalism.
his voice droves me madddd
Stock exchange in the first place is a scam bussiness. How come you pay 100usd for something that doesn't exist and you only get 1usd in return per year. So fishy
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