As a an outsider Turkish, it is obvious that 'Macedonia' is Greek. I don't know why Macedonians claim it; because they are simply irrelevant. It must be VERY annoying for Greeks.
One can only believe what you cannot quantify, cannot find tangible evidence etc., and then you make a choice among alternatives; hence, belief. Therefore, I do not believe 'something'. All the evidence is quite clear that 'Macedonia' is Greek; thus, I know, rather than believe, that you are unfortunately not the descendants of ancient Alexander. FYROM is irrelevant. Clear? :)
i upvoted them, not to support my arguments but to bring the discussion up, so that other viewers can see my comments. anyways kid, go and grab a beer and watch your favourite television channel. :) I hope one day FYROM citizens stop humiliating themselves by claiming they are THE descendants of Alexander. :) what a shame...
turuncueller They sold their name twice but thats none ofnyour bussiness you can only watch when they are gonna get in war macedonia fyrom or north howeever you wanna call it was never greek neither alexander was jesus you people dont open history books and honestlu why does it matter when he fought for macedonia? And plus its in the past so leave it there , as turkish guy you cant protect any country neither you know whats going on inside and you cant know so yea dont ask why because i think you should be smart enough to know .. step aside
Ancient macedonian NATIVE language had nothing to do with ancient greek. Even Alexander learnt greek from Aristotle and this is a well known acts. there are endless documents that show that Alexander many times used to speak to his soldiers in is native language . these are facts. However the most important thing is that neo greeks are a nation invented in 1831... 90% of the heroes of the orthodox revolution of 1821 were Albanians... and alos now days neo greeks use in ceremonies Albanian fustanella, shorter version. Besides being albanian, neo greeks are also vlachs, slavs in the region of macedonia and jews and also a large part of neo greeks are asiatic refugees from anatolia who came in 1923, and most of them were just orthodox ottomans who would not speak a word in greek. simple facts. Modern greece and fyrom are faces of the same coin, falsified history
😂😂😂 You Nationalistic fools, do you really think that either government leaders ACTUALLY care what the name is? You are just one of many nationalistic pawns on both sides created through hate to serve them while they steal your money away, why do you think your country is struggling so much in the first place?
IN NORT GREECE IS OCUPATION MACEDONIAN LAND, AND NAME ON OCUPATION LAND IN NOTRH GREECE IS AEGEAN MACEDONIA!!AEGEAN MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIANS!!! PLEASE SPEAK REAL HISTORY. 🚫STOP STEAL MACEDONIAN HISTORY🚫!!!✋✋✋✋⛔⛔⛔ 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
When you can’t forget history cuz you love it too much why you forget that Alexander the heat have made massacred and have massacred millions of Greeks located in Greece nowadays
@@miccha21 yes you are correct but after the Slavs have arrived Macedonia has been Slavic until Greece kicked them out in the same cruel and barbarian way the Turks kicked the Pontus and Anatolian Greeks out of their their homeland. These Greeks from Asia Minor were settled in Macedonia Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in the Greek part of Macedonia.
There is a difference between speaking a Slavic language and being of "Slavic" origins. Macedonians are genetically extremely similar to the Greeks, which means we are still the same people who just adopted a different language. Think of it this way... The Egyptians adopted Arabic and dont speak Ancient Egyptian anymore. Does that mean they are now Saudis? Of course not, they still are Egyptians.
@@petergriffinmk2884 you confuse macedonians (greeks) in region of original Macedonia in Greece with slavs (Bulgarians) citizens of north Macedonia who call themselves Macedonians.. Of course they are not the same they just have similarities like all the neighbors
@@gelisgeo1309 Again... we are not Slavs lol, we just speak a Slavic language. Stop trying to tell us what we should call ourselves and focus on your own people and country. Btw... the majority of the people living in the Macedonian region in Greece spoke a Slavic language before Greece annexed it in 1913, after which their language was banned and they were forced to either speak Greek or be exiled from the country. All of those "Greek Macedonians" today have a Slavic speaking ancestor. If we are Slavs, so are the Greek Macedonians. ;)
@@petergriffinmk2884 there is not any connection between SlavoMacedonians (Bulgarians) and real greek Macedonians. The only language that baned was the Greek from Bulgarians. Ancient Macedonians speaked Greek...like all the greek tribes. Yes there was small team of slavic speaker macedoniansGreeks because their ancestors forced with violence . Many of them stand in balcan wars with greek Macedonians to liberate their land. On the other hand thousand Greeks and cities with greek majority disappear after ww1 in Vardatska (modern North Mac) Your language is Bulgarian dialect even you baptize it "macedonian". This is distortion of history.
@@gelisgeo1309Nobody banned the Greek language. Wtf are you talking about? It was our language that was banned by the Greeks to try and make Macedonia more Greek. Stop trying to twist facts.
😂😂😂 You Nationalistic fools, do you really think that either government leaders ACTUALLY care what the name is? You are just one of many nationalistic pawns on both sides created through hate to serve them while they steal your money away, why do you think North Macedonia and Greece are both struggling so much in the first place?
Sll hail greeks because they believe government propaganda! Thesalonika is Solun originally Macedonian land now the capital of greece.. LOL do some real research not puppet what your government says
@@freezyboy1023 no. Its called aegean macedonia because when the romans conquered the region they gave it a lot of land north and west. This is why macedonia used to refer to a rather geographic term in the middle of the balkans and not an ethnological term.
I am talking about the place that nowdays is Macedonia (Pella, Thessaloniki, Kavala etc.)This part of land was Ancient Macedonians and the Paeonia lands was where is nowdays Fyrom.The Peonians were a mix between Thraco-Illyrian origin and were allies of Persians and enemies of Macedonias thats right.
@worldsbestskiinstructor thays ok I upgrade my knowledge by visiting the museums reading the ancient.scripts of Macedonian in Ancient Greek and more often I pay tribute to their Greek culture as the same say in every step.throughout the.history.and land they.have.heen. So do the same to.liberate.yourself from communist propaganda Nato and Soros needs. As you can.see you have been trained and.used based on someones else needs....everytime...
The name Macedonia derives from the Greek Μακεδονία (Makedonía), a kingdom (later, region) named after the ancient Macedonians, from the Greek Μακεδόνες (Makedones), "Macedonians", explained as having originally meant either "the tall ones" or "highlanders". The word Μακεδνόν (Makednon) is first attested in Herodotus as the name which the Greek ethnos was called (which was later called Dorian) when it settled around Pindus mountain range. Makednon is related to the Ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός (makednós), meaning "tall, slim", attested in Homer and Hesychius of Alexandria in its feminine form "μακεδνή" (makednē), meaning "long, tall". It cognates with the words μακρός (makros, "long, large") and μήκος (mēkos, "length"), both deriving from the Indo-European root *mak-, meaning "long' or "slender". Linguist Robert S. P. Beekes claims that both terms are of Pre-Greek substrate origin and cannot be explained in terms of Indo-European morphology.
@@baits9301 of course it wasn’t existed the word Greece/Greek .. but Hellas and Hellenes =Ελλάδα /Ελλάς This is how we call ourself all these years and still today if you translate Greece into greek you’ll see Ελλάδα..not Γκρισσς lol .. it’s like saying that Yunanistan how Middle Eastern countries called us is our real name .. it’s not . It’s just how other countries called us
@@baits9301 your wrong greece is the most ancient country in the world lol, ancient greece, byzantin empire, ionia, sparta, athens,epirus,hellas,greek kingdom and Greece. But in greece the name is HELLAS🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷☦☦☦
@@baits9301 Facts? How come you are so sure? . Graeci (Greeks) was heard first time by the Romans. First tribe they met near Hellas was calling themselves what we call today Greeks. Definitely it existed longggg time before 1821.
The whole thing is peculiar, on the one hand since the two Macedonia are connected by land its possible that both territories were part of ancient Macedonia, on the other hand the so called Macedonian language is mutually intelligible to Bulgarian who don't claim the same thing.
@FROM MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIA BECAUSE TITO CHANGED THE LANGUAGE YOU DUMBFUCK, DON'T YOU GET IT THAT WE ARE BULGARIANS?!? WHY DON'T YOU ASK FILIMENA MARKOVSKA WHAT WE ARE?!? SHE WAS THE WIFE OF VENKO MARKOVSKI, ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CREATED OUT LANGUAGE AND ALPHABET. Just search Filimena Markovska on UA-cam, since I believe they didn't show on tv in our country what she said, because they don't want us to discover the truth.
Good point Ugaas! Is true a part of FYROM (N.Macedonia) is part of main Macedonia. If N.Macedonia wants to reunite with the main Macedonia, is ok with me. Off course should accept and the rest of Greece, and switch to the original Greek language. As you mention, the N.Macedonian language have a Bulgarian origin, and has discover 10nth century AC. So there is no relation with any ancient language, especially that of Alexander the Great. By the way Alexander and his parents, have clearly Greek names: Alexander=Αλέξανδρος 'defender against man' Phillip=Φίλιππος 'friend of horses' Olympias=Ολυμπιάδα I guess no need to explain!
the bulgarians are speaking macedonian. read medievil history. try the entries on Byzantium as ancient greek history ends in 395 AD . 1 year before the greek city-states ceased to exist. Koine was macedonian simplified. St Cyril the macedonian took both the bible and koine(so they could read it.)
For all idiotic people claiming that Skopje is Macedonia I can say something very simple. Alexander the Great was born around 360 B.C. while your Slavic race appeared in that region around 1000 years later at 400 A.C.. How on earth any rational person can believe based on the above that you can lay claims on the Greek land of Macedonia. Stop making idiots out if yourselves. Even your ex prime minister openly admits that Macedonia is Greek. Shall I post the link?
Macedonians🇬🇷 were Greeks, is already prooved: 1. Alexander spoke to the Persian messengers like a GREEK king he was: "Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free, if not for any other reason so that you can see the difference between a GREEK king (Alexander himself) and a BARBARIAN tyrant (persian Dareius), so do not expect to suffer any harm from me. A Greek king (Alexander himself) does not kill messengers." 2. Alexander and Macedonians🇬🇷 spread Hellenism and Greek language and established Hellenistic era 3. Alexander and Macedonians 🇬🇷 made the Greek language the lingua franca of that time for 7 centuries on? 4. Macedonians 🇬🇷 participated in Olympics where ONLY Greeks participated? .... And thousands other evidence and proofs ...
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Macedonians 🇬🇷 with Greek names, we speak dialect of the Greek language slavoBulgarians 🇲🇰 with Bulgarian names , you speak Bulgarian dialect
All of its culture was Greek, if you know at least a slice of anxient history. Ethic Bulgarian people speaking a slavic language hae no claim on a culturally Greek (Greek language, religion, architecture, origin etc) kingdom
Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
@@hacked7909makedonians are a greke tribe and a greek region of greece nothing to do with illyrians and thracians except the history they had together but in genetic not 😂
@@kedisukriyemakeddonia is in greece and a greek tribe skopje this land is bulgarian ! Go claim this land in greece u dont have any Position Mister! And greece has many own greek regions/tribes ! Greece+asia minor greeks us u said ! Greece is big ! Amd u slavs dont have something normaly to do on balkan u can here in 6 cebtury from ukraine
Unfortunately a lot of people that are ignorant they don't know history and the making stupid comments the people that want to call themselves macedonians there are Slavs they have nothing to do with Greeks
Genetically we are the same as Greeks. Just because we adopted a different language doesnt mean we came from Ukraine. Please learn to differentiate between language and ethnicity.
Dont forget both Macedonias were one for millenias, under Roman, Byzantine, and Ottoman rule it was all referred to as Macedonia and all the nationalities mixed together. it was only in the 20th century when Macedonia was split into 3.
@Mako we are not facists..we claim what's ours...and Macedonia is greek...not your country..the name of Macedonia and the history of it is greek...the whole world are laughing with u... your country tho belongs to bulgarians
@@olgapapadopoulpou1142 the history of Macedonia is greek? hahahaha where was Goce Delchev born? where was Krste petkov Misirkov born? where was my grandfather born?WHERE WAS founded IMRO (internal Macedonian revolutionary organizations) where 90% of the Macedonian REVOLUTIONARIES were born ???? FROM WHEREexpelled and killed 300+ thousand Macedonians? WHERE DID GOCE DELCEV KILL?THE ANSWER IS ONE IN AEGEAN MACEDONIA OCCUPIED BY THE GREEKS IN 1913!IF IT WERE NOT THE USA AND THE GREAT BRITAIN IN 1947, WE WOULD RETURN IT AGAIN!!!
@@miki638 wow your propaganda keeps going..tell me, why are u calling Thessaloniki as Solun? you know that Thessaloniki was the name of Alexander's sister rigth? the city took the name of his sister...but since u are macedonian (fakedonian) u know that right? tell me,why every monument that scientists found from the ancient macedonia,was written in ancient greek and not into your slavic mixed with bulgarian and ablanian language?why Alexander was srpeading the greek culture and not the"macedonian"(macedonians were also greeks)?why he worshiped the greek gods? why he took place on the olympic games when only greek people were allowed to participated? oh right...CAUSE ANCIENT MACEDONIA WAS GREEK!And it is still a greek region...u came 900 years after Alexander died and Tito did great job on brainwashing you and made you think u are Macedonians while u are bulgarians-serbs and albanians...keep dreaming about being macedonian..the whole world know that alexander was greek
@@miki638 Ancient Macedonian, the language of the ancient Macedonians, either a dialect of Ancient Greek, or a separate Hellenic language, was spoken in the kingdom of Macedonia during the 1st millennium BC and belongs to the Indo-European language family. It gradually fell out of use during the 4th century BC, marginalized by the use of Attic Greek by the Macedonian aristocracy, the Ancient Greek dialect that became the basis of Koine Greek, the lingua franca of the Hellenistic period.[4]
@@olgapapadopoulpou1142 Because Thessaloniki is not our language, it is called Solun as you ( Greeks) do not call Istanbul Constantinople .... the ancient Macedonians were a separate people just like the Thracians and Illyrians, read what the Hellenic authors wrote about Alexander and Philip so you will understand ... My language is not a mixture of Bulgarian (spoken in Russia and Mongolia) and Albanian ... Alexander did not spread "Greek culture" but spread Hellenism which was a mixture of Macedonian, Hellenic and Persian culture. Why did the Hellenes rise? uprisings against Philip and Alexander if they were "Hellenes" ...... Read what Gjorgija Pulevski wrote in the 19th century in the book "Slavic Macedonian History", as well as all Macedonian revivalists
The real history of The Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) PART TWO 📒🏫 The beginning... Encyclopedia Britannica: The concept of a United Macedonia was used by the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) in the interbellum. Its leaders - including Todor Alexandrov, Aleksandar Protogerov, and Ivan Mihailov (all Bulgarians by origin) - promoted independence of the Macedonian territory split between Serbia and Greece for the whole population, regardless of religion and ethnicity. The Bulgarian government of Alexander Malinov in 1918 offered to give Pirin Macedonia for that purpose after World War I, but the Great Powers did not adopt this idea because Serbia and Greece opposed it. In 1924, the Communist International suggested that all Balkan communist parties adopt a platform of a "United Macedonia" but the suggestion was rejected by the Bulgarian and Greek communists. IMRO followed by starting an insurgent war in Vardar Banovina, together with Macedonian Youth Secret Revolutionary Organization, which also conducted guerilla attacks against the Serbian administrative and army officials there. In 1923 in Stip, a paramilitary organisation called Association Against Bulgarian Bandits was formed by Serbian chetniks, IMRO renegades and Macedonian Federative Organization (MFO) members to oppose IMRO and MMTRO. According to Encyclopædia Britannica 1911 Edition, at the beginning of the 20th century the Slavs constituted the majority of the population in Macedonia region. Per Britannica itself the bulk of the Slavs there was regarded by almost all independent sources as "Bulgarians". Immediately after annexation of Vardar Macedonia to the Kingdom of Serbia, the Macedonian Slavs were faced with the policy of forced Serbianisation by the Serbian government, which included systematic repression of Bulgarian activists, altering family surnames, internal colonisation, forced labor, and intense propaganda. To aid the implementation of this policy, some 50,000 Serbian army and gendermerie were stationed in Macedonia. By 1940 about 280 Serbian colonies (comprising 4,200 families) were established as part of the government's internal colonisation program (initial plans envisaged 50,000 families settling in Macedonia). In 1929, the Kingdom was officially renamed the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and divided into provinces called banovinas. Southern Serbia, including all of what is now the Republic of Macedonia, became known as the Vardar Banovina of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Official source: Encyclopedia Britannica PS: We must state it very clearly ... The people in F.Y.R.O.M don't have nothing in common with ancient Macedonia, Greece, Alexander The Great or the Greek history and The Macedonian Kingdom from ancient times !!! They are simply Slavic people with pure Bulgarian roots and they should be proud of it like the rest Bulgarians from Bulgaria ! All well educated and historically prepared people know it very well ! There is no real Macedonian language and country by origin! This is the regional name of a district Macedonia! In one word: Bulgaria is the main factor for F.Y.R.O.M to exist as an independent state from 1991 until now! Advice to all brainwashed people in the FYROMS in their/our common language: Образованието ке ви даде вистински изглед за реалностите, се друго е пропаганда и лаги од наjчистиот вид!
@Algoritam - ZY makedonia is Bulgarian and u steal history, how pathetic. Fyromians u need a new brain. God is not real There was never genocide against u u are just deluded.
Greece, Macedonia is the least of your problem. your country is a mess with high unemployment, declining economy, refugee crisis, and huge debt!! oh, most of your citizens want to retire early and not work for their retirement..
They have literally nothing else going for them, except this great "history". Kind of sad, really, you should probably focus on some achievements this millennium, not two in the past.
PurplePanda 8 i am sure things like Pap test for pregnant women, N.Lygeros mathematician one of the 50 most clever people in life at the moment and our valiant fight at ww2 that made foreign PMs praise us don’t count...
Andri Sebastian Pongoh Actually Greece was taken to court .the court did rule that Macedonia was correct. The EU and NATO simply ignored the courts ruling. Now the Macedonians are been forced to lose their identity.
@@christianknight1329 Only Greeks are Macedonian . Macedonia exists only inside the borders of Greece . North of Macedonia Greece is PAONIA and DARDANIA , WAKE UP
@@mickeymouse1697 Macedonians are Macedonians regardless of their ethnic background. The boundaries of macedonia have been changing throughout the centuries. Today Macedonia is divided mainly between Greece, North Macedonia and Bulgaria.
Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
@@mickeymouse1697 Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
🇲🇰Alexander the Great was born in Pella, Aegean Macedonia, and Pella belongs to Pelagonia (Pelagonia is located in Macedonia, obviously you don't know😉). Alessandar Makedonski's father is Philip II of Macedon (Macedon🇲🇰😉), who fights for Macedonia and who is a pure Macedonian (but you have no idea about that, you don't understand) Macedonia is one of the oldest countries, which is indicated by the fact that it is mentioned in the Bible. Dust rises behind a good horse. Macedonia forever🇲🇰
greeks lost all claims on ancient greek civilization when they stopped following the native religion of their ancestors and started following foreign cult of sky god. samething goes for iraqis,syrians ,egyptians and persians.
Macedonian citizen: Let's leave the past in the past, because both countries are making efforts to do something good for the both nations. Both countries have much in common. They work together, many Greeks have business in Macedonia. Many Macedonians spend money in Greece and buy apartments. Many Greeks come to Macedonia on weekends and go to our casinos. And we must be very friendly toward each other. Both nations today are mixed, our origin is mixed and changed. On these territories were later ruled by Turks, wars and so on. So, were the Macedonians Greeks or only Macedonians? - The only answers are "perhaps", "probably" "some sources suggest it." Saying either a compelte yes or a complete no are purely ideological positions.
For all the Skopians out there, i want you to explain me how is Macedonia not Greek, if the name of Macedonia is Greek, as well as the name of Philipp and his son Alexnader. Prove me wrong. Go on.
They changed 8000 Toponyms names of villages towns in Егејска Македонија also all Macedonians have now have got greek names. My cousin's are Greeks by paper . Ha, all They care about is the stones. Not interested in human rights. But the Turks know this they have got it all documented. Plus France England and Deutschland their creators from 1830 also know all of this. One day it'll all come out. Makedonia is threat to no one, in Makedonija 🇲🇰 all people enjoy their rights.
Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
cyprus.sparta.athens.asia.persia.thessaly.achilles is Greece Hellas. Hellenic. Macedonia is Macedonia . Slavic-macedonian and Macedonia and peonians and ancient Macedonians are in Vardarska yu Macedonia. Vardarska.egejska.pirinska.pogradec(Macedonian part in Albania).
@@dddfff3578 Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
Long live Republic of Macedonia, recognised from more then 140 countries as Macedonia including most powerful countries like Great Britain, USA,Russia,China,India and all Balkan countries except our enemy Greece.
Try to translate it SLAVBULGARIANS without google...ooops that is Greek and espacially Ancient Greeks"Ο Αλέξανδρος, ο υιός του Φιλίππου και οι Έλληνες πλην Λακεδαιμονίων από των βαρβάρων των την Ασίαν κατοικούντων" (the inscription on the splinter of 300 shields sent by Alexander the Great to the Parthenon after the battle of Granicus in 334 BC)
goran gruev Not enough. :( Germany owes 10 trillion euros to Greece for damages since WW2. Also 20 trillion euros for stolen ancient artifacts during WW2. And 10 billion euros to help the refugees.
goran gruev You make me laugh :) Why should we pay money for the civil war? Thrace and Macedonia is Greek territories,the land is part of Greece,slavs living there was illegal refugees,they decided to leave so we did nothing wrong. Even Zaef said that Slavs went there the 6th century and they are not real Macedonians. So why you hate us :( we should be friends. And Germany never gave us money for the refugees but threatens with sanctions if we refuse to take them in. Merkel is evil and she will destroy us all.
Μακεδονία -Φίλιππος -Αλέξανδρος -Βουκεφάλας(the horse of Alexander)all Greek worlds with a Greek meaning,like θεμιστοκλης -Οδυσσέας-όμηρος-Λεωνίδα-Αριστοφάνης-I can’t believe that we try to explain that Macedonia was independent land like Athens,Sparta and other city’s but with the same gods,language and culture and all GREEKS nothing to do with slavs.but you cannot explain to the thief to stop taking your money he will take your money anyway..😒😒😒
ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ - ΠΕΛΛΑ, ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ (ΠΡΩΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΗ ΗΜΑΘΙΑ) macedonians must be able to read ancient greek stone inscriptions, if you do you're welcome to transliterate the above in the latin alphabet here, thanks
Antonio Dimitriadis (Don't forget that" city of Pela",It's on ex MACEDONIAN TERRITORY that Greeks Occupied around 1913. Greek part that is called all over "Macedonia", was NEVER part of today's Greece before your occupation.
Тони земи читај Библија , не читај било што и не се поклонувај на тие ваши богови , зашто ние Христовите со нив мајтап си играме, исто како со пинг понг топчиња
i can read it without google, translate you say this : Megas Lexandors - Pella, Makedonia and i dont know what the rest is. Ancient Greece had many fights with Macedonia in history, how do you claim him all of a sudden?
We all know there is only one Macedonia, and that has been a province in Greece thousands of years now. So, basically, what you are saying, is that the Slavs that came down around 1944 should all become citizens of Greece and deny their Bulgarian routes. What a pitty you want to erase yourself with forged history.
UNITED MACEDONIA Actually yes. There was slavs in Macedonia but they idenitfied as Bulgarians not racial Macedonians aside from nationalistic groups who wished to form an identity.
That Guy Who Just Wears Power Armour We see today that people twho are member of the ethnic Macedonia party in greece Rainbow are declaring themselves as Macedonians...but your state doesnt want to recognize their existence.They are not recognized and allowed to express their ethnicity today 21th century and we should believe that somebody allows the same at 18-19th centuries during the wars?! And the main paradox today is that we have the greeks from Turkey who inhabited Macedonia after the greco turkish war with the population exchange to express themselves as MACEDONIANS WTF???IS this normal to you?Like the guy on the video AMITZOGLOU ...100% Turkish name!
Macedonian ΟΚ...lets have Alexander's the Great opinion about the issue.After defeating the Persian army (334 BC) in the battle of Granicus river he sent 300 armors (honoring King Leonidas and his Spartans ancestors for their sacrifice in the battle of Thermopylae 480 BC) to the city of Athens (temple of Parthenon,known as Acropolis) with the inscription : ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΠΛΗΝ ΛΑΚΕΔΑΙΜΟΝΙΩΝ ΑΠΟ ΤΩΝ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΤΗΝ ΑΣΙΑΝ ΚΑΤΟΙΚΟΥΝΤΩΝ I guess any one who is real Macedonian can read this.If your language is not familiar to the language of our King and you cant read this,here is the translation: ALEXANDER THE SON OF PHILIP AND ALL THE GREEKS EXCEPT THE LACEDAEMONIANS (Spartans) FROM THE BARBARIANS WHO DWELL IN ASIA Spartans were left back to Greece and didn't fight against the Persian empire to Asia,as Alexander said: "Someone has to be left back to protect our homeland,I choose our best" Stealing history is a disgrace,you feel both angry and sorry for the people who do something like that.Common people are just confused,historians and archaeologists are laughing with the ridiculous fact that Slavs are named as an ancient Greek Kingdom.
The so-called north Macedonians are 54% Slavs related to Bulgarians and Avar-Hunnic folk, 10% Serbs, 29% Albanians, and the remainder Turks and Roma Gypsies
Long live Bulgaria and her lost child The Republic of Macedonia... Both so beautiful, blessed by God and still devided! Засекогаш во срцето лавско! 💪🇧🇬🇲🇰💓
Miki Kitanov I wonder how much you are getting paid to spread your lies. The Greeks had been forcefully turkified, and the Unit of Janissaries were mostly Greeks that were taken since almost babies to the ottoman army and they transformed them there to the most fanatic anti Greeks. But the greeks had been trying to preserve the Greek heritage through secret schools etc.
Serafim Tsirigkas No lie ... the facts of 2000 years ago do not comment. I can only say that the Macedonians have always defined themselves as Macedonian and only in the last 100 years has it become a problem for Greece. Exactly after the occupation of 1913.
@@kedisukriye you anscestors came during the sixth century 😂 not to mention that the asia minor migrants didn't change their identity pontians still call themselves pontians in greece and macedonians still call themselves macedonians🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪
“The Modern Greek has been called a ‘Byzantine Slav.’ King George himself and Constantine his son are only aliens placed on the Grecian throne to suit the convenience of outer powers, being in fact descendants of tribes which to the ancient Greeks were merely Barbarians.”
@@wankawanka3053 no, look the greek flag when Otto of Bavaria was king, thats the first greek flag, 2 Caveman in the flag xD xD. Before you were greeks in 1832, you was albanians and you look like albanians today. no such thingas hellas or greece in the 1800
The slavic nation is from Russia Ukraine Romania ..the Macedonians is nation ftom Greece argos pelloponissos. The People's of Skopje is Albanians Bulgarian and Turks...the Macedonians is Greeks
MAKEDONSKO IME Makedonsko ime nie imame Makedonsko ime nie slavime Sekoj eden den to e nasa cast Sekoj eden den toj e zivot nas Nie nesme Grci nitu Bugari Nije nesme Srbi nitu Albanci Sekoj eden den to e nasa cast Sekoj eden den toj e zivot nas Taa e zelja da dojdi den Da zivejme sekoj den vo mir i sloboda Zname Makedonsko to e svetlost nas Zname Makedonsko to e soncen zrag Sekoj eden den to e svetski raj Sekoj eden den toj e zivot nas Taa e zelja da dojdi den Da zivejme, vo sekoj den Vo mir i sloboda Vo mir i sloboda
yes Makedonia is Makedonia and it is allready a region in Greece!the fake ,,macedonia,, FYRO- or vardarska badovina has changed many other names between the centuries!!!ΖΗΤΩ Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ-Η ΜΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ!!!!!
This is nationalist rhetoric that is unsympathetic towards pragmatic politics. The Macedonian kingdom geographically was part of what is now called Greece as well as what was called FYROM. No one is stealing the name. Macedonia in Greece doesn't cease to exist. They are simply calling the region that was also geographically theirs as Northern Macedonia. Which is precisely what it is.
Macedonia was divided in the Balkan war and Greece took 51% of the land of whole Macedonia. Initially the occupied territories Greece named Northern Greece then in 1998 Northern Greece was renamed to Macedonia for political reasons.
That's not true. Macedonian nationality existed but obviously Macedonia was occupied under the Ottoman Empire. To find herself occupied by Greece, Bulgaria Serbia and Albania. Ancient Macedonia conqured the City States. How funny is the conqueror become the conqeuree. Think about that.
@@andrewong2956 greece never had 100% of macedonia, we have Vardar, bulgaria have pirin , you have Aegean. In all these regions vardar pirin aegean there are ancient macedonian paeonian cities.
The state in greece called Makedonia is a part of the split up COUNTRY Macedonia..greeks are not Macedonian to claim it.....Macedonian kings Ruled these so called greeks.if you named a orange (portokalos)it doesnt mean you own the orange's.......
Sad Greeks forget the Treaty of Bucharest prior to that Greece never occupied Macedonian land that's a fact and now they are saying Macedonians steeling their very own land back shows how confused the Greeks are 😂
Listen to me! Until Alexander the Great, and Goce Delchev stand up from their graves and say they are something other then Macedonian, I will call my self a Macedonian! Say whatever you want!
😂😅 lmao Alexander the Great 🇬🇷 Has nothing to do with Bulgarian 🇧🇬 Goce Delcev Alexander the Great 🇬🇷 with these Greek grandparents: Amyntas and Euridice (Philip's parents) Neoptolemos and Andromachi (Olympia's parents) Goce Delcev 🇧🇬 with these Bulgarian parents: Nikola Delcev and Sultana Nurdzieva
@@kedisukriye Macedonia 🇬🇷 is Greek since 9th century BC when first Macedonian king KARANOS established the Greek kingdom of Macedonia 🇬🇷 Turkobulgarians 🇲🇰 you tried to steal it but you failed
what means macedonia in skopje language tell me pliz... because in greek language means land of tall men..... ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ.....WHAT MEANS ALEXANDROS IN SKOPJE LANGUAGE ??? -------IN GREEK LANGUAGE MEANS THE MAN WHO LIES OTHER MEN
What about OUR ancestors? The ones who were made to leave their homes in Aegean Macedonia in 1913 and during WWII and migrate in Europe, America and Australia, the same ones who even today cannot return to their homes and lands in Aegean Macedonia even though they still have the papers for them because of the Greeks, what about this people????
Makeddonia is in greece a greek tribe and a greek region ! U are bulgarians and have nothing to do with greece ! U will your homes then go to your home in bulgaria ! Mother bulgaria is waiting of u
Evgenios Megas You are the son of the biggest European invention. Macedonia has never been Greek and never will be !!! You are a mix of Turks, Arvanites, Vlaki and Macedonians.
Miki Kitanov Based on your Grandiose Historian skills. Greeks have been in the Greek peninsula and more, for more than 4 thousand years. If you have existential mental issues you need a psychatrist not mumbling an stealing other nations' history. Southern slavs are always eager to steal and benefit from the Greeks and i don't see it changing anytime soon.
Evgenios Megas 1913: 4725 buildings were burned in 40 villages around kukush along with macedonian quarters in Solun. 1928: All Macedonians villages, cities, rivers and mountain names are discarded and hellenized. 1936-1940: Under Metaxas dictaturship 5225 Macedonians are brutality punished for speaking Macedonian. 1945: 400 murders registered, 440 rapes, 13529 interned on greek islands, 8545 imprisoned, 1605 familied plundered, 1943 families evicted. 1948: 40 000 Macedonian children (2-14 ages) are forced out if greece. To this day, most are not allowed to return. This makes you afraid, the comparison with what you did to the Macedonians. Macedonia has never been Greek and never will be!!!
If Macedonians🇬🇷 were not Greeks, why Alexander spoke to the Persian messengers like a GREEK king he was?: "Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free, if not for any other reason so that you can see the difference between a GREEK king (himself Alexander) and a BARBARIAN tyrant (Dareios), so do not expect to suffer any harm from me. A Greek king (Alexander himself) does not kill messengers." 2. Why Alexander and Macedonians spread Hellenism and Greek language? 3. Why Alexander and Macedonians 🇬🇷 made the Greek language the lingua franca of that time for 7 centuries on? 4. Why Macedonians 🇬🇷 participated in Olympics where ONLY Greeks participated? 5. .... And thousands other evidence and proofs ...
@@firstlast2437 Obviously you can't read the primary sources' original Greek language of all the ancient Greek authors and historians Arrian Anabasis Book 2, Chapter 14, Section 4 (Arr. An. 2.14.4) Alexander's letter to Dareius as the leader and on behalf of ALL the Hellenes (Greeks): "Οἱ ὑμέτεροι πρόγονοι ἐλθόντες εἰς Μακεδονίαν καὶ εἰς τὴν ἄλλην Ἑλλάδα κακῶς ἐποίησαν ἡμᾶς οὐδὲν προηδικημένοι· ἐγὼ δὲ τῶν Ἑλλήνων ἡγεμὼν κατασταθεὶς καὶ τιμωρήσασθαι βουλόμενος Πέρσας διέβην ἐς τὴν Ἀσίαν, ὑπαρξάντων ὑμῶν .... " Translation: Your ancestors came to Macedonia and the REST of Hellas [Greece] and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you.....
@@firstlast2437 Arrian's "Anabasis" 2.14.4 "Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the REST of Greece and did US harm although WE had not done you any previous injury. I have been appointed commander-in-chief of the GREEKS .... " Pseudo-Kallisthenes, 1.37.9-13 "Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free, if not for any other reason so that you can see the difference between a GREEK king and a barbarian tyrant .... "
*Jас не сум геj* погрешно мислиш,ние сите Македонци,Срби, Бугари,Хрвати и сите други словенски земји се едно,но словенизмот потекнува од македонија како што Кирил и Методиј започнуваат да ја шират писменоста од македонија па потоа во другите земји... Повеќе да ја читаш историјата во минатото па можеби тогаш ке разбереш која е Македонија.
Well done Tsipras! Finally a PM with the courage to put through a fair deal! I don't really get the Greeks who are crying foul at this, did Syriza not win two elections in less than a year!!? And one of them after overturning a pointless referendum? This is a democratically elected government, they have every right to do this despite all the pointless far-right rallies!!!
Million of Greeks were protesting. Don't count them all as far right.. many were even left minded but we all unite when it comes to the name and history of Makedonia
your lands ???? wht your land that you done have nothing common whit ancient greeks , secand most people from north greece are migrant from anatolia region
they not try they destroy all ancient helenick world and start live on this land , it is very correct writen in book Origin moder greek from qkob farmilaier , i think this book is forbbiden is greek you dont have nothing common whit ancient greek
As a an outsider Turkish, it is obvious that 'Macedonia' is Greek. I don't know why Macedonians claim it; because they are simply irrelevant. It must be VERY annoying for Greeks.
Nema Spiene At least I don't live in a country whose name was stolen from Greeks. Grow up. :)
One can only believe what you cannot quantify, cannot find tangible evidence etc., and then you make a choice among alternatives; hence, belief. Therefore, I do not believe 'something'. All the evidence is quite clear that 'Macedonia' is Greek; thus, I know, rather than believe, that you are unfortunately not the descendants of ancient Alexander. FYROM is irrelevant. Clear? :)
i upvoted them, not to support my arguments but to bring the discussion up, so that other viewers can see my comments. anyways kid, go and grab a beer and watch your favourite television channel. :) I hope one day FYROM citizens stop humiliating themselves by claiming they are THE descendants of Alexander. :) what a shame...
turuncueller They sold their name twice but thats none ofnyour bussiness you can only watch when they are gonna get in war macedonia fyrom or north howeever you wanna call it was never greek neither alexander was jesus you people dont open history books and honestlu why does it matter when he fought for macedonia? And plus its in the past so leave it there , as turkish guy you cant protect any country neither you know whats going on inside and you cant know so yea dont ask why because i think you should be smart enough to know .. step aside
Ancient macedonian NATIVE language had nothing to do with ancient greek.
Even Alexander learnt greek from Aristotle and this is a well known acts. there are endless documents that show that Alexander many times used to speak to his soldiers in is native language .
these are facts.
However the most important thing is that neo greeks are a nation invented in 1831... 90% of the heroes of the orthodox revolution of 1821 were Albanians... and alos now days neo greeks use in ceremonies Albanian fustanella, shorter version.
Besides being albanian, neo greeks are also vlachs, slavs in the region of macedonia and jews and also a large part of neo greeks are asiatic refugees from anatolia who came in 1923, and most of them were just orthodox ottomans who would not speak a word in greek.
simple facts.
Modern greece and fyrom are faces of the same coin, falsified history
I am a Fyromian and I support Greece!Macedonia is Greek region!
Greeting to Greece from Fyrom!
what? how did that happen? all the peope of your county are proud "macedonians"
Are you a Greek from Monastir or another Greek city in fyrom ??
@@Leoforos13 in Macedonia dont live ortxodox turks("greeks") he is bulgarian, albanian or ortxodox turk
@@miki638 its funny to think that greeks are orthodox turks while turks from west turkey are literally muslim descendants of the greeks in the region.
Here you are all minor Asia people.
Grecoegypitian or grekoafrikans.
Cheers neighbour
Macedonia was and will be Greek!!!!!
Greetings from ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ!!!!!!!
ооо благодарам многу
и на тебе исто , поздрав од срце .... Македонија цела, те поздравува.
Macedon.hellenic no Skopje Macedonia.
@@dddfff3578 Mr Tsipros thinks you Gypsy inbreeds are wrong.... He just said; MACEDONIA is MACEDONIAN!!
😂😂😂 You Nationalistic fools, do you really think that either government leaders ACTUALLY care what the name is? You are just one of many nationalistic pawns on both sides created through hate to serve them while they steal your money away, why do you think your country is struggling so much in the first place?
@@dddfff3578 SKOPJE TOWN IN MAKEDONIJA.
..... c'ao .
MACEDONIA =
The area of Northern Greece
ANCIENT GREEK kingdom
IN NORT GREECE IS OCUPATION MACEDONIAN LAND, AND NAME ON OCUPATION LAND IN NOTRH GREECE IS AEGEAN MACEDONIA!!AEGEAN MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIANS!!! PLEASE SPEAK REAL HISTORY.
🚫STOP STEAL MACEDONIAN HISTORY🚫!!!✋✋✋✋⛔⛔⛔
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ALEXANDER THE MACEDON YES BORN IN MACEDONIA AND MACEDONIANS KING, FATHER IS MACEDONIAN NOT GREEK. ALEXANDER IS MACEDONIAN!!
@@macedonian2915 keep burking for a dictator who killed thousands of people
When you can’t forget history cuz you love it too much why you forget that Alexander the heat have made massacred and have massacred millions of Greeks located in Greece nowadays
@@miki638 you play League of Legends. Grow up, learn unbiased history, then come back and comment again.
Macedonia is always Greek
Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
@@kedisukriye Macedonians spoke Greek, because they were Greek, that's why slavs arrived in the balcans 800 years after Alexander died
@@miccha21 yes you are correct but after the Slavs have arrived Macedonia has been Slavic until Greece kicked them out in the same cruel and barbarian way the Turks kicked the Pontus and Anatolian Greeks out of their their homeland. These Greeks from Asia Minor were settled in Macedonia Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in the Greek part of Macedonia.
@@kedisukriye Macedonia historically speaking has always been Greek, that's what all the dispute is about
@@miccha21 greece dont have 100% of macedonia.
I can't understand why Slavic nation stole greek names and history.They are not proud for themselves??
There is a difference between speaking a Slavic language and being of "Slavic" origins. Macedonians are genetically extremely similar to the Greeks, which means we are still the same people who just adopted a different language. Think of it this way... The Egyptians adopted Arabic and dont speak Ancient Egyptian anymore. Does that mean they are now Saudis? Of course not, they still are Egyptians.
@@petergriffinmk2884 you confuse macedonians (greeks) in region of original Macedonia in Greece with slavs (Bulgarians) citizens of north Macedonia who call themselves Macedonians.. Of course they are not the same they just have similarities like all the neighbors
@@gelisgeo1309 Again... we are not Slavs lol, we just speak a Slavic language. Stop trying to tell us what we should call ourselves and focus on your own people and country. Btw... the majority of the people living in the Macedonian region in Greece spoke a Slavic language before Greece annexed it in 1913, after which their language was banned and they were forced to either speak Greek or be exiled from the country. All of those "Greek Macedonians" today have a Slavic speaking ancestor. If we are Slavs, so are the Greek Macedonians. ;)
@@petergriffinmk2884 there is not any connection between SlavoMacedonians (Bulgarians) and real greek Macedonians. The only language that baned was the Greek from Bulgarians. Ancient Macedonians speaked Greek...like all the greek tribes. Yes there was small team of slavic speaker macedoniansGreeks because their ancestors forced with violence . Many of them stand in balcan wars with greek Macedonians to liberate their land. On the other hand thousand Greeks and cities with greek majority disappear after ww1 in Vardatska (modern North Mac)
Your language is Bulgarian dialect even you baptize it "macedonian". This is distortion of history.
@@gelisgeo1309Nobody banned the Greek language. Wtf are you talking about? It was our language that was banned by the Greeks to try and make Macedonia more Greek. Stop trying to twist facts.
Don't say Macedonia, that's a region in Greece!
Call it by its proper name MONKEYDONIA!
Mrgun2408 q
Mrgun2408 I am Macedonian my nacionaliti is Macedonian Macedonia is not greece
El Mutilator hahahahahaha
😂😂😂 You Nationalistic fools, do you really think that either government leaders ACTUALLY care what the name is? You are just one of many nationalistic pawns on both sides created through hate to serve them while they steal your money away, why do you think North Macedonia and Greece are both struggling so much in the first place?
😂😂😂😂😂😂Bolest
All hail Greece because they fight for the truth
They fight for a name snd bully a country over it, that is unreasonable and is a violation of human rights
they are fighting my country for our macedonian history, ancient greece had many wars with the macedonians learn history
Sll hail greeks because they believe government propaganda! Thesalonika is Solun originally Macedonian land now the capital of greece.. LOL do some real research not puppet what your government says
@@Anonymous-kj2io ok mister "Bulgarian propaganda"
@@maavet2351 ok Communist enjoyer
Macedonia is GREECE. Deal with it!
Epirus is Albania
Macedonia is Macedonian
Thrace is Turkish
ercan kilic if i was starving i wouldn't have internet connection to answer you.... bb
Eurovision Macedonia live your dream in republic of West Bulgaria....!
Othoni Gr Same with you in Republic of West Turkey
Mr Tsipros has dealt with it you Inbred Gypsy thieve!
Macedonia is Macedonian and the home of Alexander the Macedonian.
Deal with it bird brain!!!
Macedonia is Greece
Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
@@kedisukriyemaceddonia is in greece and skopje land is bulgarian Mister! No one stole nothing
MAKEDONIJA ---- 25 VEKA e vo JUZ'NA EVROPA. od FILIP KRAL
NA MAKEDONIJA IV vek pred ovaa era i denes XXI vek ! ! ! ! !
Slavic Republic of Northern Vardarska
Aegean Macedonia is called Southern Macedonia cause the real one is in the north.
And the naming dispute is completely childish
@@freezyboy1023 BULGAR TATARS ARE NOT MACEDONIANS , WAKE UP , MACEDONIANS ARE HELLENES
@@freezyboy1023 no. Its called aegean macedonia because when the romans conquered the region they gave it a lot of land north and west. This is why macedonia used to refer to a rather geographic term in the middle of the balkans and not an ethnological term.
@@mickeymouse1697 grecoegypitian or grekoafrikans HELLASS
Macedonia is province and old tribe of Greeks!FYROM is occupied lands of Greek Macedonias by Peonians (Slavs) ! Greetings from the Netherlands!
Alexander wrote: I AM PROUD TO BE A GREEK. I would suggest you open the internet and shut down that firewall of truth you have turned on
I am talking about the place that nowdays is Macedonia (Pella, Thessaloniki, Kavala etc.)This part of land was Ancient Macedonians and the Paeonia lands was where is nowdays Fyrom.The Peonians were a mix between Thraco-Illyrian origin and were allies of Persians and enemies of Macedonias thats right.
Thumps up Jan! First non Greek that open a history book :D
The only thing that our neighbors never do... haha
@worldsbestskiinstructor thays ok I upgrade my knowledge by visiting the museums reading the ancient.scripts of Macedonian in Ancient Greek and more often I pay tribute to their Greek culture as the same say in every step.throughout the.history.and land they.have.heen.
So do the same to.liberate.yourself from communist propaganda Nato and Soros needs.
As you can.see you have been trained and.used based on someones else needs....everytime...
peonians are Macedonian people live in Macedonia yu. Vardarska yu.
Macedonia is Greek land.
stonewalljack100 nope northern Greece is Macedonia united 🇲🇰
AFGHANISTAN AND ALEXANDRIA, EGYPT ARE MORE MACEDONIAN THAN "VARDARSKA" WILL EVER BE! MACEDONIA IS NORTHERN GREECE!!!
How can macedonia be greece when it is called macedonia
@@petarkostadinoski6180 How can Athens be Greece when its called Athens
@@miccha21 How can i be a Skopian if im from Macedonia?
@@miccha21 go read Bible you demon, bible say this : Macedonia and Greece are 2 different nations
@@salar1586 When did Macedonians have a Cyrillic alphabet?
The name Macedonia derives from the Greek Μακεδονία (Makedonía), a kingdom (later, region) named after the ancient Macedonians, from the Greek Μακεδόνες (Makedones), "Macedonians", explained as having originally meant either "the tall ones" or "highlanders". The word Μακεδνόν (Makednon) is first attested in Herodotus as the name which the Greek ethnos was called (which was later called Dorian) when it settled around Pindus mountain range. Makednon is related to the Ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός (makednós), meaning "tall, slim", attested in Homer and Hesychius of Alexandria in its feminine form "μακεδνή" (makednē), meaning "long, tall". It cognates with the words μακρός (makros, "long, large") and μήκος (mēkos, "length"), both deriving from the Indo-European root *mak-, meaning "long' or "slender". Linguist Robert S. P. Beekes claims that both terms are of Pre-Greek substrate origin and cannot be explained in terms of Indo-European morphology.
the name greece a country created by king otto 1821 .the word greek or greece never existed before that , fact .
@@baits9301 of course it wasn’t existed the word Greece/Greek ..
but Hellas and Hellenes =Ελλάδα /Ελλάς
This is how we call ourself all these years and still today if you translate Greece into greek you’ll see Ελλάδα..not Γκρισσς lol .. it’s like saying that Yunanistan how Middle Eastern countries called us is our real name .. it’s not . It’s just how other countries called us
@@baits9301 your wrong greece is the most ancient country in the world lol, ancient greece, byzantin empire, ionia, sparta, athens,epirus,hellas,greek kingdom and Greece.
But in greece the name is HELLAS🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷☦☦☦
When Greece annexed southern Macedonia in 1912, the majority of the people were Bulgarians.
@@baits9301 Facts? How come you are so sure? . Graeci (Greeks) was heard first time by the Romans. First tribe they met near Hellas was calling themselves what we call today Greeks. Definitely it existed longggg time before 1821.
The whole thing is peculiar, on the one hand since the two Macedonia are connected by land its possible that both territories were part of ancient Macedonia, on the other hand the so called Macedonian language is mutually intelligible to Bulgarian who don't claim the same thing.
@FROM MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIA BECAUSE TITO CHANGED THE LANGUAGE YOU DUMBFUCK, DON'T YOU GET IT THAT WE ARE BULGARIANS?!? WHY DON'T YOU ASK FILIMENA MARKOVSKA WHAT WE ARE?!? SHE WAS THE WIFE OF VENKO MARKOVSKI, ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CREATED OUT LANGUAGE AND ALPHABET.
Just search Filimena Markovska on UA-cam, since I believe they didn't show on tv in our country what she said, because they don't want us to discover the truth.
Good point Ugaas!
Is true a part of FYROM (N.Macedonia) is part of main Macedonia.
If N.Macedonia wants to reunite with the main Macedonia, is ok with me. Off course should accept and the rest of Greece, and switch to the original Greek language.
As you mention, the N.Macedonian language have a Bulgarian origin, and has discover 10nth century AC. So there is no relation with any ancient language, especially that of Alexander the Great.
By the way Alexander and his parents, have clearly Greek names:
Alexander=Αλέξανδρος 'defender against man'
Phillip=Φίλιππος 'friend of horses'
Olympias=Ολυμπιάδα I guess no need to explain!
the bulgarians are speaking macedonian. read medievil history. try the entries on Byzantium as ancient greek history ends in 395 AD . 1 year before the greek city-states ceased to exist.
Koine was macedonian simplified. St Cyril the macedonian took both the bible and koine(so they could read it.)
no??? they were speaking greek it had nothing to do with bulgaria
@@HandsomeStranger1963
What the Greek word (κοινή=common) Koine means in your slavobulgarian language?
For all idiotic people claiming that Skopje is Macedonia I can say something very simple. Alexander the Great was born around 360 B.C. while your Slavic race appeared in that region around 1000 years later at 400 A.C.. How on earth any rational person can believe based on the above that you can lay claims on the Greek land of Macedonia. Stop making idiots out if yourselves. Even your ex prime minister openly admits that Macedonia is Greek. Shall I post the link?
Zach и limonmark , ептен забегале
.... забеганите ....
Macedonians🇬🇷 were Greeks, is already prooved:
1. Alexander spoke to the Persian messengers like a GREEK king he was:
"Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free, if not for any other reason so that you can see the difference between a GREEK king (Alexander himself) and a BARBARIAN tyrant (persian Dareius), so do not expect to suffer any harm from me. A Greek king (Alexander himself) does not kill messengers."
2. Alexander and Macedonians🇬🇷 spread Hellenism and Greek language and established Hellenistic era
3. Alexander and Macedonians 🇬🇷 made the Greek language the lingua franca of that time for 7 centuries on?
4. Macedonians 🇬🇷 participated in Olympics where ONLY Greeks participated?
.... And thousands other evidence and proofs ...
Alexander is from Pella in GREECE ONLY.
He killed greece stupid kid.
@@tatjanavelkova5814
I don't understand slavobulgarian 🇲🇰 language.
Only the Greek language of Macedonians 🇬🇷
@@tatjanavelkova5814
Macedonians 🇬🇷 we speak the Greek language of Alexander and Macedonians 🇬🇷
Turkobulgarians 🇲🇰 you speak slavobulgarian dialect
@@tatjanavelkova5814
Macedonians 🇬🇷 with Greek names, we speak dialect of the Greek language
slavoBulgarians 🇲🇰 with Bulgarian names , you speak Bulgarian dialect
LOL look at the Greek foreign minister : that's what corruption does to you.
albania.greece are not Macedonians the end2018.
MAKEDONIJA 25 CENTURIES IS MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
Macedonia never Greek,go play elsewhere.
All of its culture was Greek, if you know at least a slice of anxient history. Ethic Bulgarian people speaking a slavic language hae no claim on a culturally Greek (Greek language, religion, architecture, origin etc) kingdom
M A K E D O N C I 25 VEKA GOVORAT MAKEDONSKI JAZIK ! ! !
Macedonia should be renamed Yugoslavia
Greece should be names , South Albania. and the macedonian region in greece should be names "Asia Minor Since 1922"
@@salar1586you dont make sense, sorry
It's the conflict that FYROM had with Greece that is preventing them in joining EU
why would they want to be in the eu and end up like grease bankrupt and homeless , no homeless in macedonia .
HAHAHAHAHAHHAH baits i hope they pay you enough for this bs propaganda of your pseudo state, next achievement the division of Vardaska!
J Kapagerides
Makedonija do Solun!!!
Macedonia is the Country of the Macedonians, Romans, Ottomans but never of the Greeks !
goran gruev Anatolia is a Greek word .
Istrian Warrior
Macedonians were Illyrian-Thracian long before being latinized and turned vlach
Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
@@hacked7909makedonians are a greke tribe and a greek region of greece nothing to do with illyrians and thracians except the history they had together but in genetic not 😂
@@kedisukriyemakeddonia is in greece and a greek tribe skopje this land is bulgarian ! Go claim this land in greece u dont have any Position Mister! And greece has many own greek regions/tribes ! Greece+asia minor greeks us u said ! Greece is big ! Amd u slavs dont have something normaly to do on balkan u can here in 6 cebtury from ukraine
No GREECE
YES HELLAS
MACEDONIA IS IN GREECE , VARDASKA IN FORMER YUGOSLAVIA IS GEOGRAPHICALLY PAONIA AND DARDANIA , NOT MACEDONIA
Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
@@kedisukriye MAKEDONIJA IS MAKEDONIJA.
jedi c'varke.
Even the bible prophecy about Alexander in Daniel 8 and vrses 21 and 22 says Alexander is stand for the king of Greece.
Procitaj ja biblijata podobro, ke procitaj deka Makedoncite ne se grci
@@mkanemkmkanemk3410 what stupid things you say you know in area of makedonia Found Mycenaean inscription
bible is changed
@@nikosmihalo4706 Paeonia and Macedonians were the same, Greeks never were.
@@salar1586 The Bible never changes. U must know that the first Macedonian Bibles are Greek (Ellinic) Only.
LONG LIVE THE HELLENISM FOR ALL TIMES MAKEDONIA IS HELLAS
No not same don’t even look the same Macedonian are slavs Greeks are Hellas
All of Macedonia is Greek and in Greece Only and will be united as a Greek State
@@Andy-gw7hd MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES from KING FILIP .
Unfortunately a lot of people that are ignorant they don't know history and the making stupid comments the people that want to call themselves macedonians there are Slavs they have nothing to do with Greeks
Genetically we are the same as Greeks. Just because we adopted a different language doesnt mean we came from Ukraine. Please learn to differentiate between language and ethnicity.
Dont forget both Macedonias were one for millenias, under Roman, Byzantine, and Ottoman rule it was all referred to as Macedonia and all the nationalities mixed together. it was only in the 20th century when Macedonia was split into 3.
And they’ll all be united as Greek Only.
Turski hristijan🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Greece 🇬🇷
Macedonia MK.
Macedonia's name has been disputed over the years, but actually it's real name is The North Riding of Macedonshire
its sad how greeks killed us all and today we are still being erased.
M A K E D O N I J A ime od BOG MAKEDON. pred 30 veka.
Funny fyromians
@Mako we are not facists..we claim what's ours...and Macedonia is greek...not your country..the name of Macedonia and the history of it is greek...the whole world are laughing with u... your country tho belongs to bulgarians
@@olgapapadopoulpou1142 the history of Macedonia is greek? hahahaha where was Goce Delchev born? where was Krste petkov Misirkov born? where was my grandfather born?WHERE WAS founded IMRO (internal Macedonian revolutionary organizations) where 90% of the Macedonian REVOLUTIONARIES were born ???? FROM WHEREexpelled and killed 300+ thousand Macedonians? WHERE DID GOCE DELCEV KILL?THE ANSWER IS ONE IN AEGEAN MACEDONIA OCCUPIED BY THE GREEKS IN 1913!IF IT WERE NOT THE USA AND THE GREAT BRITAIN IN 1947, WE WOULD RETURN IT AGAIN!!!
@@miki638 wow your propaganda keeps going..tell me, why are u calling Thessaloniki as Solun? you know that Thessaloniki was the name of Alexander's sister rigth? the city took the name of his sister...but since u are macedonian (fakedonian) u know that right? tell me,why every monument that scientists found from the ancient macedonia,was written in ancient greek and not into your slavic mixed with bulgarian and ablanian language?why Alexander was srpeading the greek culture and not the"macedonian"(macedonians were also greeks)?why he worshiped the greek gods? why he took place on the olympic games when only greek people were allowed to participated? oh right...CAUSE ANCIENT MACEDONIA WAS GREEK!And it is still a greek region...u came 900 years after Alexander died and Tito did great job on brainwashing you and made you think u are Macedonians while u are bulgarians-serbs and albanians...keep dreaming about being macedonian..the whole world know that alexander was greek
@@miki638 Ancient Macedonian, the language of the ancient Macedonians, either a dialect of Ancient Greek, or a separate Hellenic language, was spoken in the kingdom of Macedonia during the 1st millennium BC and belongs to the Indo-European language family. It gradually fell out of use during the 4th century BC, marginalized by the use of Attic Greek by the Macedonian aristocracy, the Ancient Greek dialect that became the basis of Koine Greek, the lingua franca of the Hellenistic period.[4]
@@olgapapadopoulpou1142 Because Thessaloniki is not our language, it is called Solun as you ( Greeks) do not call Istanbul Constantinople .... the ancient Macedonians were a separate people just like the Thracians and Illyrians, read what the Hellenic authors wrote about Alexander and Philip so you will understand ... My language is not a mixture of Bulgarian (spoken in Russia and Mongolia) and Albanian ... Alexander did not spread "Greek culture" but spread Hellenism which was a mixture of Macedonian, Hellenic and Persian culture. Why did the Hellenes rise? uprisings against Philip and Alexander if they were "Hellenes" ...... Read what Gjorgija Pulevski wrote in the 19th century in the book "Slavic Macedonian History", as well as all Macedonian revivalists
The real history of The Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)
PART TWO 📒🏫
The beginning...
Encyclopedia Britannica:
The concept of a United Macedonia was used by the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) in the interbellum.
Its leaders - including Todor Alexandrov, Aleksandar Protogerov, and Ivan Mihailov (all Bulgarians by origin) - promoted independence of the Macedonian territory split between Serbia and Greece for the whole population, regardless of religion and ethnicity.
The Bulgarian government of Alexander Malinov in 1918 offered to give Pirin Macedonia for that purpose after World War I, but the Great Powers did not adopt this idea because Serbia and Greece opposed it.
In 1924, the Communist International suggested that all Balkan communist parties adopt a platform of a "United Macedonia" but the suggestion was rejected by the Bulgarian and Greek communists.
IMRO followed by starting an insurgent war in Vardar Banovina, together with Macedonian Youth Secret Revolutionary Organization, which also conducted guerilla attacks against the Serbian administrative and army officials there.
In 1923 in Stip, a paramilitary organisation called Association Against Bulgarian Bandits was formed by Serbian chetniks, IMRO renegades and Macedonian Federative Organization (MFO) members to oppose IMRO and MMTRO.
According to Encyclopædia Britannica 1911 Edition, at the beginning of the 20th century the Slavs constituted the majority of the population in Macedonia region.
Per Britannica itself the bulk of the Slavs there was regarded by almost all independent sources as "Bulgarians". Immediately after annexation of Vardar Macedonia to the Kingdom of Serbia, the Macedonian Slavs were faced with the policy of forced Serbianisation by the Serbian government, which included systematic repression of Bulgarian activists, altering family surnames, internal colonisation, forced labor, and intense propaganda.
To aid the implementation of this policy, some 50,000 Serbian army and gendermerie were stationed in Macedonia.
By 1940 about 280 Serbian colonies (comprising 4,200 families) were established as part of the government's internal colonisation program (initial plans envisaged 50,000 families settling in Macedonia).
In 1929, the Kingdom was officially renamed the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and divided into provinces called banovinas. Southern Serbia, including all of what is now the Republic of Macedonia, became known as the Vardar Banovina of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
Official source: Encyclopedia Britannica
PS: We must state it very clearly ...
The people in F.Y.R.O.M don't have nothing in common with ancient Macedonia, Greece, Alexander The Great or the Greek history and The Macedonian Kingdom from ancient times !!! They are simply Slavic people with pure Bulgarian roots and they should be proud of it like the rest Bulgarians from Bulgaria !
All well educated and historically prepared people know it very well !
There is no real Macedonian language and country by origin!
This is the regional name of a district Macedonia!
In one word: Bulgaria is the main factor for F.Y.R.O.M to exist as an independent state from 1991 until now!
Advice to all brainwashed people in the FYROMS in their/our common language:
Образованието ке ви даде вистински изглед за реалностите, се друго е пропаганда и лаги од наjчистиот вид!
Хахах од кога постои ВМРО од 1918 ли? Уште првата реченица ти е пропаганда како и целиот текст :Д поздрав одродени Македонцу!
Fyrom is Bulgaria and Albania
Зошто се бунат јужномакедонците ?
Neka naucat istorija pa posle neka zborat
I ja neznam
@Algoritam - ZY makedonia is Bulgarian and u steal history, how pathetic. Fyromians u need a new brain.
God is not real
There was never genocide against u u are just deluded.
Greece, Macedonia is the least of your problem. your country is a mess with high unemployment, declining economy, refugee crisis, and huge debt!! oh, most of your citizens want to retire early and not work for their retirement..
Macedonia is one in greece
Hongbang dynasty yeah just look up how much they work in a week and stfu
WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU MORON???!!
They have literally nothing else going for them, except this great "history". Kind of sad, really, you should probably focus on some achievements this millennium, not two in the past.
PurplePanda 8 i am sure things like Pap test for pregnant women, N.Lygeros mathematician one of the 50 most clever people in life at the moment and our valiant fight at ww2 that made foreign PMs praise us don’t count...
Why don't they just settle them in International Court or something
Andri Sebastian Pongoh Actually Greece was taken to court .the court did rule that Macedonia was correct. The EU and NATO simply ignored the courts ruling. Now the Macedonians are been forced to lose their identity.
@@danilkapetrovska9252 yep
@@danilkapetrovska9252 They never had it in the first place
North Macedonia should rename to West Bulgaria
na istok od MAKEDONIJA E PIRINSKA MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
Ευγνομονώ τους Θεούς που γεννήθηκα ΈΛΛΗΝΑΣ. ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ
🤣🤣🤣🤣
North Macedonia is Part Of 🇬🇷 ......
Take back our Historical Land! ✊
and also north Epirus and constantinople.
shame on you ..World : you prefer lying stories...
you leave greece like then cyprus.. shame on you !
MACEDONIAN IS 100% GREEK , NOT SLAVIC , NOT BULGAR TATAR
Macedonia belongs to the Macedonians regardless their ethnicity !!!
@@christianknight1329 Only Greeks are Macedonian . Macedonia exists only inside the borders of Greece . North of Macedonia Greece is PAONIA and DARDANIA , WAKE UP
@@mickeymouse1697 Macedonians are Macedonians regardless of their ethnic background. The boundaries of macedonia have been changing throughout the centuries. Today Macedonia is divided mainly between Greece, North Macedonia and Bulgaria.
Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
@@mickeymouse1697 Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
🇲🇰Alexander the Great was born in Pella, Aegean Macedonia, and Pella belongs to Pelagonia (Pelagonia is located in Macedonia, obviously you don't know😉).
Alessandar Makedonski's father is Philip II of Macedon (Macedon🇲🇰😉), who fights for Macedonia and who is a pure Macedonian (but you have no idea about that, you don't understand)
Macedonia is one of the oldest countries, which is indicated by the fact that it is mentioned in the Bible.
Dust rises behind a good horse.
Macedonia forever🇲🇰
He was Greek never Slavic 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
before 25 centuries PELLA -- PANONIA MACEDONIAN LAND.
FILIP and ALEXANDER are born in M A K E D O N I J A ! ! !
Northern Macedonian Republic of Bulgaria
you love macedonia just admit that you speak macedonian
🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷ODETE doma vo Turska, egejska Makedonija e na makedoncite
🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
RESPECT HISTORY.... go on give it a try.
Love to Macedonia from America. Stay stronk (like Alexander)
Alexander the Great was GREEK - spoke GREEK, worshiped GREEK gods and spread GREEK civilization!! FYROM slavs arrived in the region in 1944!!
GrK38 wasn't Alexander born and king of Macedonia?
GrK38 what furom?
nt136848 I m bad at geography so don't know
greeks lost all claims on ancient greek civilization when they stopped following the native religion of their ancestors and started following foreign cult of sky god. samething goes for iraqis,syrians ,egyptians and persians.
Macedonian citizen: Let's leave the past in the past, because both countries are making efforts to do something good for the both nations. Both countries have much in common. They work together, many Greeks have business in Macedonia. Many Macedonians spend money in Greece and buy apartments. Many Greeks come to Macedonia on weekends and go to our casinos. And we must be very friendly toward each other. Both nations today are mixed, our origin is mixed and changed.
On these territories were later ruled by Turks, wars and so on. So, were the Macedonians Greeks or only Macedonians? - The only answers are "perhaps", "probably" "some sources suggest it." Saying either a compelte yes or a complete no are purely ideological positions.
jordan jordan. THE BEEESTT INDEPENDENT OPINION SO FAR.. HONEST AND PURE ANSWER. WITH NO HATE.. JUST LOVE AND RESPECT... BRAVOOO.
Macedonia is Greek 🇬🇷 🇬🇷
Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
@@kedisukriye.....
M A K E D O N I J A E NA MAKEDONSKI NAROD ! ! !
For all the Skopians out there, i want you to explain me how is Macedonia not Greek, if the name of Macedonia is Greek, as well as the name of Philipp and his son Alexnader. Prove me wrong. Go on.
Άμα την θέλουν την Μακεδονία τόσο πολύ ας έρθουν να την πάρουν οι κότες.
When it comes to law, even a country's own citizens are baffled 😂
☆☆Sve e Grchko samo Makedonia ne e☆☆...
The macedonia is greek ,the skopje is a vardaska and is bulgarians
MAKEDONIJA -- COUNTRY. SKOPJE TOWN IN MAKEDONIJA.
They changed 8000 Toponyms names of villages towns in Егејска Македонија also all Macedonians have now have got greek names. My cousin's are Greeks by paper .
Ha, all They care about is the stones. Not interested in human rights.
But the Turks know this they have got it all documented.
Plus France England and Deutschland their creators from 1830 also know all of this. One day it'll all come out.
Makedonia is threat to no one, in Makedonija 🇲🇰 all people enjoy their rights.
@Milenko Nedeklovski in Makedonija☀️☀️☀️ MACEDONIA 🔆🔆🔆 you are MACEDONIAN.
In greece you are African or Egyptian minor Asia people.
@@MacedonianGrace cry 😭
Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
@@kedisukriye Macedonia is always Macedonia Bulgarians are Fascist and Nazis
Only the sun is older than Macedonia greek states never existed
Greece is Turkey
INDIA IS PAKISTAN :)
cyprus.sparta.athens.asia.persia.thessaly.achilles is Greece Hellas. Hellenic.
Macedonia is Macedonia .
Slavic-macedonian and Macedonia and peonians and ancient Macedonians are in Vardarska yu Macedonia.
Vardarska.egejska.pirinska.pogradec(Macedonian part in Albania).
@@dddfff3578 Macedonia is not Greek. It is Bulgarian. Greeks from Asia Minor were settled there after the tragic eviction of Greeks in 1922. Unfortunately, the old victims became the new tyrants in Greek part of Macedonia.
@@dddfff3578........
i vo PIRINSKA i EGEJSKA MAKEDONIJA --- M A K E D O N C I .
Macedonia is Macedonia, it just occupied by Slavs
Macedonia is one and its only here in Greece learn history 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
@@ΛευτέρηςΚαρανικόλας Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
@@ΛευτέρηςΚαρανικόλας.................... srb z'ganj .
@@ΛευτέρηςΚαρανικόλας.................... srb djubre.
@@kedisukriye MAKEDONIJA IN SOUTH EVROPA ! !
you in... wood.
MACEDONIA IS GREEK 🇬🇷
THE REAL NAME IS VARDASKA AND NOT MACEDONIA
MAKEDONIJA IS MAKEDONIJA ! ! you in... Kopaonik.
Judgment is hereeee.
Long live Republic of Macedonia, recognised from more then 140 countries as Macedonia including most powerful countries like Great Britain, USA,Russia,China,India and all Balkan countries except our enemy Greece.
jon ben jon u troll u are still a goose name is changing
Ducati I just said LONG LIVE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA, don't be rude
jon ben ok how u been what's happening over there in Australia it's cold winter time
ducati 48 ,don't lie me,I have been in Australia,it's never cold
jon ben its winter time
We can not give up our property, but your more then happy willing to seal our ports to China.
Try to translate it SLAVBULGARIANS without google...ooops that is Greek and espacially Ancient Greeks"Ο Αλέξανδρος, ο υιός του Φιλίππου και οι Έλληνες πλην Λακεδαιμονίων από των βαρβάρων των την Ασίαν κατοικούντων" (the inscription on the splinter of 300 shields sent by Alexander the Great to the Parthenon after the battle of Granicus in 334 BC)
Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
grci ukrali Egejska Makedonija. blgari ukrali Pirinska.
dogovor 1913 : Grcija na MAKEDONIJA vrak'a Egejska Makedonija.
Blgaria na MAKEDONIJA vrak'a Pirinska Makedonija .
Well the world is pretty *”peace...”*
greece is TURKISH
Turkey stands with macedonia
We have the same problem with greeks
Thanks Turkey for standing with a Greek Region
Thanks Turks for supporting MACEDONIA 🔆🔆🔆🇲🇰🇲🇰🌻
Both of you are good at stealing 😏
Thanks though turks didn't know you cared so much for our biggest region🇬🇷
@@wankawanka3053 MAKEDONIJA e vo JUZ'NA EVROPA.
ti... u Dunav.
United Macedonia
GREEK
@@andrewong2956 M A K E D O N I J A ! ! ! ! !
. M A K E D O N I J A * * *
@@andrewong2956 MACEDONIAN * *
Cry it is not
Yet you are the ones called north macedonia 😉
@@wankawanka3053 macedonia is not greece
Let's make Greece Great Again.
Greek army to Monkeydonia NOW.
goran gruev
With what?8 tanks?
We have 4000 tanks.
Please attack :) lol
goran gruev
The 99,9% of businessmen and factories in Skopje belongs to Greeks.
If we leave you'll starve to death gypsy.
LOL :)
goran gruev
Νο :)
goran gruev
Not enough. :(
Germany owes 10 trillion euros to Greece for damages since WW2.
Also 20 trillion euros for stolen ancient artifacts during WW2.
And 10 billion euros to help the refugees.
goran gruev
You make me laugh :)
Why should we pay money for the civil war?
Thrace and Macedonia is Greek territories,the land is part of Greece,slavs living there was illegal refugees,they decided to leave so we did nothing wrong.
Even Zaef said that Slavs went there the 6th century and they are not real Macedonians.
So why you hate us :( we should be friends.
And Germany never gave us money for the refugees but threatens with sanctions if we refuse to take them in.
Merkel is evil and she will destroy us all.
Μακεδονία -Φίλιππος -Αλέξανδρος -Βουκεφάλας(the horse of Alexander)all Greek worlds with a Greek meaning,like θεμιστοκλης -Οδυσσέας-όμηρος-Λεωνίδα-Αριστοφάνης-I can’t believe that we try to explain that Macedonia was independent land like Athens,Sparta and other city’s but with the same gods,language and culture and all GREEKS nothing to do with slavs.but you cannot explain to the thief to stop taking your money he will take your money anyway..😒😒😒
MACEDONIANS ARE WITH MACEDONIAN NAMES ! ! !
ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ - ΠΕΛΛΑ, ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ (ΠΡΩΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΗ ΗΜΑΘΙΑ)
macedonians must be able to read ancient greek stone inscriptions, if you do you're welcome to transliterate the above in the latin alphabet here, thanks
Antonio Dimitriadis (Don't forget that" city of Pela",It's on ex MACEDONIAN TERRITORY that Greeks Occupied around 1913. Greek part that is called all over "Macedonia", was NEVER part of today's Greece before your occupation.
read the ancient stone inscriptions in pella and then get back to me
Тони земи читај Библија , не читај било што
и не се поклонувај на тие ваши богови , зашто ние Христовите со нив мајтап си играме, исто како со пинг понг топчиња
i can read it without google, translate you say this : Megas Lexandors - Pella, Makedonia and i dont know what the rest is. Ancient Greece had many fights with Macedonia in history, how do you claim him all of a sudden?
@@AntonioDimitriadis in the bible it says macedonia and greece are 2 seperate nations
THERE IS ONLY ONE MACEDONIA
UNITED MACEDONIA
FOR ALL MACEDONIANS
We all know there is only one Macedonia, and that has been a province in Greece thousands of years now. So, basically, what you are saying, is that the Slavs that came down around 1944 should all become citizens of Greece and deny their Bulgarian routes. What a pitty you want to erase yourself with forged history.
Delphi Builder Never before 1913...Never
UNITED MACEDONIA Actually yes. There was slavs in Macedonia but they idenitfied as Bulgarians not racial Macedonians aside from nationalistic groups who wished to form an identity.
That Guy Who Just Wears Power Armour We see today that people twho are member of the ethnic Macedonia party in greece Rainbow are declaring themselves as Macedonians...but your state doesnt want to recognize their existence.They are not recognized and allowed to express their ethnicity today 21th century and we should believe that somebody allows the same at 18-19th centuries during the wars?!
And the main paradox today is that we have the greeks from Turkey who inhabited Macedonia after the greco turkish war with the population exchange to express themselves as MACEDONIANS WTF???IS this normal to you?Like the guy on the video AMITZOGLOU ...100% Turkish name!
haha haha
Then Alexander The Great belongs to Macedonians right ?
Δήμιος Greek who lived in Macedonia ?
Macedonian
ΟΚ...lets have Alexander's the Great opinion about the issue.After defeating the Persian army (334 BC) in the battle of Granicus river he sent 300 armors (honoring King Leonidas and his Spartans ancestors for their sacrifice in the battle of Thermopylae 480 BC) to the city of Athens (temple of Parthenon,known as Acropolis) with the inscription :
ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΟΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΠΛΗΝ ΛΑΚΕΔΑΙΜΟΝΙΩΝ ΑΠΟ ΤΩΝ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΩΝ ΤΩΝ ΤΗΝ ΑΣΙΑΝ ΚΑΤΟΙΚΟΥΝΤΩΝ
I guess any one who is real Macedonian can read this.If your language is not familiar to the language of our King and you cant read this,here is the translation:
ALEXANDER THE SON OF PHILIP AND ALL THE GREEKS EXCEPT THE LACEDAEMONIANS (Spartans) FROM THE BARBARIANS WHO DWELL IN ASIA
Spartans were left back to Greece and didn't fight against the Persian empire to Asia,as Alexander said: "Someone has to be left back to protect our homeland,I choose our best"
Stealing history is a disgrace,you feel both angry and sorry for the people who do something like that.Common people are just confused,historians and archaeologists are laughing with the ridiculous fact that Slavs are named as an ancient Greek Kingdom.
Gustaf Karlsson
You have to study History and Geography.... Macedonia is a part of Greece... it is a greek word... ασχετε
Gustaf Karlsson
Macedonian whip against the Greeks
that`s all you need to know ..... very simple
The so-called north Macedonians are 54% Slavs related to Bulgarians and Avar-Hunnic folk, 10% Serbs, 29% Albanians, and the remainder Turks and Roma Gypsies
Long live Bulgaria and her lost child The Republic of Macedonia...
Both so beautiful, blessed by God and still devided!
Засекогаш во срцето лавско!
💪🇧🇬🇲🇰💓
Bro noo
@@trikeridopolis We must fight for our country!
Made golo sonuvate vie bulgarite za makedoncite
@@nature_fairy23 dojde te boretese, i vasite predci ubivaa Makedonci etnicki vo egejska, pa taka e naprajv te Makedonija grcka
Fake
MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE!!!🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Primal Strongman
You have been Hellenized in the last decades ... your grandparents spoke Turkish, Macedonian or Albanian.
Miki Kitanov
I wonder how much you are getting paid to spread your lies.
The Greeks had been forcefully turkified, and the Unit of Janissaries were mostly Greeks that were taken since almost babies to the ottoman army and they transformed them there to the most fanatic anti Greeks. But the greeks had been trying to preserve the Greek heritage through secret schools etc.
Serafim Tsirigkas
No lie ... the facts of 2000 years ago do not comment. I can only say that the Macedonians have always defined themselves as Macedonian and only in the last 100 years has it become a problem for Greece. Exactly after the occupation of 1913.
"It’s our name, our language and our identity," love from Macedonia:)
Jess mate your language is literally a Slavic dialect, do the math in your brain
Your real name public of bulgaria language Bulgarians-Albanian-Serbian identity Bulgarians you have nothing to do with Macedonia you are all slavs
I bet your ancestors came there from Asia Minor in 1922.
@@trikeridopolis Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
@@kedisukriye you anscestors came during the sixth century 😂 not to mention that the asia minor migrants didn't change their identity pontians still call themselves pontians in greece and macedonians still call themselves macedonians🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪
Ahhhh poor little greeks.....
LITTLE?? THEN WHATS IS FYROM, WITH ITS 1.2 MILLION SLAVS???
Aceford Ace poor slavs-!!!!
@@cathydemosthenous8694........ srb junk.
@@SexyGreek26 FYROM ?? ..... s'vrk.
Focus on working to rebuild your country instead of still being lazy .
The countries recovering but and unemployment rates have decreased.
MACEDONIA = MACEDONIA 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Poso mas silevi olos o kosmos
Macedonia is GREECE
Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
M A K E D O N I J A BELONG TO MACEDONIANS ! ! ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 You ara Slavic Bulgaria
“The Modern Greek has been called a ‘Byzantine Slav.’ King George himself and Constantine his son are only aliens placed on the Grecian throne to suit the convenience of outer powers, being in fact descendants of tribes which to the ancient Greeks were merely Barbarians.”
And then you woke up
@@wankawanka3053 no, look the greek flag when Otto of Bavaria was king, thats the first greek flag, 2 Caveman in the flag xD xD. Before you were greeks in 1832, you was albanians and you look like albanians today. no such thingas hellas or greece in the 1800
@@salar1586 Νο such thing as slavic Macedonia, Macedonians spoke Greek not slavic, slavs were no way near the balcans at that time
@@salar1586 Cut the VMRO drugs bulgarian
@@miccha21 MAKEDONCI govorat Makedonski jazik.
ti bleej .
Да живее МАКЕДОНИЈА🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰👌👌👌☦
🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰😏😏😏
The slavic nation is from Russia Ukraine Romania ..the Macedonians is nation ftom Greece argos pelloponissos. The People's of Skopje is Albanians Bulgarian and Turks...the Macedonians is Greeks
MACEDONIANS ARE MACEDONIANS ! ! you... clown @.
MAKEDONSKO IME
Makedonsko ime nie imame
Makedonsko ime nie slavime
Sekoj eden den to e nasa cast
Sekoj eden den toj e zivot nas
Nie nesme Grci nitu Bugari
Nije nesme Srbi nitu Albanci
Sekoj eden den to e nasa cast
Sekoj eden den toj e zivot nas
Taa e zelja da dojdi den
Da zivejme sekoj den
vo mir i sloboda
Zname Makedonsko to e svetlost nas
Zname Makedonsko to e soncen zrag
Sekoj eden den to e svetski raj
Sekoj eden den toj e zivot nas
Taa e zelja da dojdi den
Da zivejme, vo sekoj den
Vo mir i sloboda
Vo mir i sloboda
Macedonia is Macedonia🇲🇰✝️🇷🇺
David Dragutinovic In your dreams.
yes Makedonia is Makedonia and it is allready a region in Greece!the fake ,,macedonia,, FYRO- or vardarska badovina has changed many other names between the centuries!!!ΖΗΤΩ Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ-Η ΜΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ!!!!!
Only serbs recognize macedonian nation
@@joannagrimeki7415 FYRO ? ?
D I B E K .
@@joannagrimeki7415 fake ? ....in your wc.
This is nationalist rhetoric that is unsympathetic towards pragmatic politics. The Macedonian kingdom geographically was part of what is now called Greece as well as what was called FYROM. No one is stealing the name. Macedonia in Greece doesn't cease to exist. They are simply calling the region that was also geographically theirs as Northern Macedonia. Which is precisely what it is.
MAKEDONIJA IS MAKEDONIJA ! ! your region ? ....Leskovac.
Macedonia was divided in the Balkan war and Greece took 51% of the land of whole Macedonia. Initially the occupied territories Greece named Northern Greece then in 1998 Northern Greece was renamed to Macedonia for political reasons.
That's not true. Macedonian nationality existed but obviously Macedonia was occupied under the Ottoman Empire. To find herself occupied by Greece, Bulgaria Serbia and Albania.
Ancient Macedonia conqured the City States. How funny is the conqueror become the conqeuree. Think about that.
And of course it’ll be united as GREEK ONLY.
Macedonia was never the country you imagine
@@wankawanka3053 rral country fake region in hellas
@@andrewong2956 greece never had 100% of macedonia, we have Vardar, bulgaria have pirin , you have Aegean. In all these regions vardar pirin aegean there are ancient macedonian paeonian cities.
The state in greece called Makedonia is a part of the split up COUNTRY Macedonia..greeks are not Macedonian to claim it.....Macedonian kings Ruled these so called greeks.if you named a orange (portokalos)it doesnt mean you own the orange's.......
Macedonia is macedonian.. Never greek! And Solun is macedonian city!
Greek flag is Bavyera flag. 😂
Тоа знаме што го веат грците е знаме на некогашна покраина баерн.така да не се знае кој е вештачка творевина
Sad Greeks forget the Treaty of Bucharest prior to that Greece never occupied Macedonian land that's a fact and now they are saying Macedonians steeling their very own land back shows how confused the Greeks are 😂
First learn how to spell Alexander's sister's name Thessalonike and then talk ..... solunka
fyrBulgarians 🇲🇰 :
Zlatans, Zoran Goran Mladen Kuzman Ljubica Svetlana DELCEVS SANDASKIS....
have nothing to do with
Macedonians 🇬🇷 like:
Amyntas (Alexander's grandfather)
Thessalonike (Alexander's sister)
Polyxeni- Olympias (Alexander's mother)
Xanthippos (Alexander's hypaspist)
Vucefalas (Alexander's horse)
Peritas (Alexander's dog)
Parmenion (Alexander's general)
Nearchos (Alexander's navy commander)
Philotas (Alexander's cavalry chief) ……
Greek names of Macedonians 🇬🇷 that furBulgarians 🇲🇰 can't even spell 😂
Bulgarian crey more and stay mad
Talk about how the people of the so called macedonia were calling themselves bulgarians little slav😉😏seems like you are the one forgetting
You don't know any history before 1900 do you?
West Bulgarians
Listen to me!
Until Alexander the Great, and Goce Delchev stand up from their graves and say they are something other then Macedonian, I will call my self a Macedonian! Say whatever you want!
😂😅 lmao
Alexander the Great 🇬🇷
Has nothing to do with
Bulgarian 🇧🇬 Goce Delcev
Alexander the Great 🇬🇷 with these Greek grandparents:
Amyntas and Euridice (Philip's parents)
Neoptolemos and Andromachi (Olympia's parents)
Goce Delcev 🇧🇬 with these Bulgarian parents:
Nikola Delcev and Sultana Nurdzieva
@@issavisisland9870 Macedonia is Bulgarian. Greece stole it in 1912.
@@kedisukriye
Macedonia 🇬🇷 is Greek since 9th century BC when first Macedonian king KARANOS established the Greek kingdom of Macedonia 🇬🇷
Turkobulgarians 🇲🇰 you tried to steal it but you failed
@@issavisisland9870.......... eat ........ yellow .
in greek wc.
@@tatjanavelkova5814
MnkdonSkata 🇲🇰
Na ta fas
what means macedonia in skopje language tell me pliz... because in
greek language means land of tall men..... ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ.....WHAT MEANS
ALEXANDROS IN SKOPJE LANGUAGE ??? -------IN GREEK LANGUAGE MEANS THE MAN WHO LIES OTHER MEN
What about OUR ancestors? The ones who were made to leave their homes in Aegean Macedonia in 1913 and during WWII and migrate in Europe, America and Australia, the same ones who even today cannot return to their homes and lands in Aegean Macedonia even though they still have the papers for them because of the Greeks, what about this people????
Makeddonia is in greece a greek tribe and a greek region ! U are bulgarians and have nothing to do with greece ! U will your homes then go to your home in bulgaria ! Mother bulgaria is waiting of u
Go back in Anatolia.
Solun e Makedonski grad!!!
Hellenic God
Cigannnn od Pontos
Thief Robber Forgerer Fake Micky Mouse
Evgenios Megas
You are the son of the biggest European invention.
Macedonia has never been Greek and never will be !!!
You are a mix of Turks, Arvanites, Vlaki and Macedonians.
Miki Kitanov
Based on your Grandiose Historian skills.
Greeks have been in the Greek peninsula and more, for more than 4 thousand years. If you have existential mental issues you need a psychatrist not mumbling an stealing other nations' history. Southern slavs are always eager to steal and benefit from the Greeks and i don't see it changing anytime soon.
Evgenios Megas
1913: 4725 buildings were burned in 40 villages around kukush along with macedonian quarters in Solun.
1928: All Macedonians villages, cities, rivers and mountain names are discarded and hellenized.
1936-1940: Under Metaxas dictaturship 5225 Macedonians are brutality punished for speaking Macedonian.
1945: 400 murders registered, 440 rapes, 13529 interned on greek islands, 8545 imprisoned, 1605 familied plundered, 1943 families evicted.
1948: 40 000 Macedonian children (2-14 ages) are forced out if greece. To this day, most are not allowed to return.
This makes you afraid, the comparison with what you did to the Macedonians.
Macedonia has never been Greek and never will be!!!
If the greeks are macedonians why did they laught and celebrate aleksandars deth 🤔🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰☦
If Macedonians🇬🇷 were not Greeks, why Alexander spoke to the Persian messengers like a GREEK king he was?:
"Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free, if not for any other reason so that you can see the difference between a GREEK king (himself Alexander) and a BARBARIAN tyrant (Dareios), so do not expect to suffer any harm from me. A Greek king (Alexander himself) does not kill messengers."
2. Why Alexander and Macedonians spread Hellenism and Greek language?
3. Why Alexander and Macedonians 🇬🇷 made the Greek language the lingua franca of that time for 7 centuries on?
4. Why Macedonians 🇬🇷 participated in Olympics where ONLY Greeks participated?
5. .... And thousands other evidence and proofs ...
I've read all the primary sources for Macdonia..and there is no word that Alexander uses as "greeks"
@@firstlast2437
Obviously you can't read the primary sources' original Greek language of all the ancient Greek authors and historians
Arrian Anabasis Book 2, Chapter 14, Section 4 (Arr. An. 2.14.4)
Alexander's letter to Dareius as the leader and on behalf of ALL the Hellenes (Greeks):
"Οἱ ὑμέτεροι πρόγονοι ἐλθόντες εἰς Μακεδονίαν καὶ εἰς τὴν ἄλλην Ἑλλάδα κακῶς ἐποίησαν ἡμᾶς οὐδὲν προηδικημένοι· ἐγὼ δὲ τῶν Ἑλλήνων ἡγεμὼν κατασταθεὶς καὶ τιμωρήσασθαι βουλόμενος Πέρσας διέβην ἐς τὴν Ἀσίαν, ὑπαρξάντων ὑμῶν .... "
Translation:
Your ancestors came to Macedonia and the REST of Hellas [Greece] and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you.....
@@firstlast2437
Arrian's "Anabasis" 2.14.4
"Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the REST of Greece and did US harm although WE had not done you any previous injury. I have been appointed commander-in-chief of the GREEKS .... "
Pseudo-Kallisthenes, 1.37.9-13
"Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free, if not for any other reason so that you can see the difference between a GREEK king and a barbarian tyrant .... "
Because Alexander had political enemies 😏 if they weren't why did they spread greek culture only🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪
Македонија е една и единствена .Ни еден Македонец нема да дозволи да биде наречен грк затоа што е Македонец.
Тихо, българче!
Animal World Europe end English тъжна е истината, знам.
*Jас не сум геj* погрешно мислиш,ние сите Македонци,Срби, Бугари,Хрвати и сите други словенски земји се едно,но словенизмот потекнува од македонија како што Кирил и Методиј започнуваат да ја шират писменоста од македонија па потоа во другите земји... Повеќе да ја читаш историјата во минатото па можеби тогаш ке разбереш која е Македонија.
Well done Tsipras! Finally a PM with the courage to put through a fair deal! I don't really get the Greeks who are crying foul at this, did Syriza not win two elections in less than a year!!? And one of them after overturning a pointless referendum? This is a democratically elected government, they have every right to do this despite all the pointless far-right rallies!!!
Million of Greeks were protesting. Don't count them all as far right.. many were even left minded but we all unite when it comes to the name and history of Makedonia
moder greece has nothing common whit ancient greeks
your lands ???? wht your land that you done have nothing common whit ancient greeks , secand most people from north greece are migrant from anatolia region
Anatolia was a part of Hellenism. Greek people lived there! Read some history Barbarian!
yes but the problem is that you dont have nothing common whit ancient helenick people
Empires rise and fall. You speak nonsense barbarian just trying to offend us. The glory is ours!
they not try they destroy all ancient helenick world and start live on this land , it is very correct writen in book
Origin moder greek from qkob farmilaier , i think this book is forbbiden is greek you dont have nothing common whit ancient greek