@@glorytoukraine5524 dude Rata's reaction video was classic, he was like "AAAHAHAHAHA THIS MF LOOK AT HIS FN FACE!!!", it was one of the most infectiously hilarious things I've seen in a long time
Messmer being the GEQ's son makes sense since the statue behind him (of Marika holding a child) is just like the Abductor Virgin imagery, which are Miyazaki's favorite enemy design. If you wanted to be the Lord of Blasphemy you mock the Golden Order with their iniquitous origins. And then, of course, there is a Godskin Apostle in the Church of Eiglay. It seems like Rykard was really trying to infuriate Marika by sending a clear message that he knew something he should not know about Serpents and Infants and Virgins.
What do you think about Marika's hand is reaching into a godskin hood and not a womb? To me it looks like she reaches across a dead face and pulls out the golden hair strands...
fuck, i'm over 1000 hours in, still not bored. I've had few months of not playing since launch, once the burnout came. but i'm so hyped for the DLC im enjoying playing as if it was new again.
YES! THANK YOU! I had the same thought, Ratatoskr! It looks like she's pulling the viscous, golden strands out of a baby's head, swaddled in the Swaddling cloth!
When the narrator in the trailer said "The seduction, And the betrayal" it reminded me of the item descripton of the blackflame monks armor. "The Blackflame Monks, enthralled by the god-slaying black flame, became traitors, abandoning their posts as guardians. The seduction of a taboo is never easily spurned."
When the wind starts blowing on Marika through the opening when she holds aloft the gold strands, that's the Elden Beast boss song. That moment could indicate the coming of the Elden Beast
The Elden Beast was already there, sent long ago by the Greater Will. Remember, Placidusax predates Marika and was Elden Lord to a vessel of the Elden Ring long before Marika became the vessel herself.
A thought: Is there a chance that the previous age was not under the Greater Will but of another god? Like at some point the Greater Will was kicked to the curb and became an _outer god_ instead of THE god for that age. Then Marika came along and returned the land’s between under its rule. It could justify the elden beast having to be sent back again
One thing's for sure, someone will need to go through the DLC and do *Law of Regression* everywhere (maybe even in Mesmer encounters) just on the off chance that that reveals something like "Mesmer is Miquella" or somesuch.
I saw a video earlier today supposing that Miquella wasn't the Griffith analogue, but Merika; and the image of her ascension in the story trailer was her version of the eclipse. That's not to say Miquella can be trusted, but I do like that interpretation, it's a neat flip of expectations.
I feel like Miquella has more of a Daenerys Targaryen thing, with some of the material being from George RR Martin, a nice figure that gains a following with their message of peace (the book version for more than the show version)
This kind of thing is exactly why I love FromSoftware lore. It's exactly reminiscent of religious debate and philosophy, but it's about a damn vidya game. It's incredible! Great podcast
@@TrueHylianKnightyeah it’s insane I’m 15 but I’ve learned so much about philosophy, alchemy, and history from this game. I rlly wanna get some of my friends into it but they won’t buy it so imma get it as a birthday present and force them to play it lmao.
Not related to elden ring at all but jumping spiders are possibly one of the least harmful species of spiders you could have in your house. In the future I’d recommend you leave them be because: 1. They don’t make webs 2. They eat a lot of other insects 3. They are chill
If I'm aware of any spider existing within a 100 meter radius of me, I'm sending it straight back to hell. Doesn't matter how small, lethal, environmentally-friendly etc. they may be.
@@heibk-2019I’m always paranoid if I squish a spider their fangs will get me through the tissue. Which is why I usually resort to complete over kill if I have to kill a spider. Though I try really hard to just let them be. Just stay in your corner and let me be thanks.
Excellent and relaxing listen. I was worried for a second but then you guys agreed on the basic and proveable facts regarding the Greattree. I find people who can't grasp Greattree lore to be very frustrating. I can't wait for the DLC to set them straight tbh. You've got a new regular listener for sure.
Interesting note for the Maliketh discussion from 24mins-ish onward: The black and gold armor Maliketh wears shares the colors of the knights we saw in the first DLC trailer. Maybe there will be some insight on how the Empyreans shadows come to be, as both we know of are rather unique creatures.
I'd like to point out, in regards of Márika's true intentions, that the armor of Gideon says he saw a part of her will and truly feared it, to the extreme of considering that such goal must not be fulfilled. How this links with the story trailer exactly I'm not so sure of it, not knowing what is her ulterior motive difficults the process of unrevealing the full scope of the lore.
Not enough people are talking about snakes. The snakes with Messmer, Marika’s bracelet resembles a snake. The iconography of snakes is too prevalent around key figures. We’re going to get another snake revelation of some kind.
@@depalodor Fair enough but there's gotta be more gold to mine from the snake thing. Rykard's inspiration to fuck with it etc. "The snake is viewed as a traitor to the Erdtree, and the audience delighted in seeing these bronze effigies beaten and battered." -Duelist Helm There's missing info in the history of the Erdtree and there be snakes.
Uh... One of the space alien meteors was a snake thing. It ate rykard and wanted to eat the world. Just like the elden beast was a glowy gold thing alien meteor, and astel was a planetoid magic snake dragon alien meteor, and the formless mother was a liquid magic blood alien meteor - all the outer gods. OUTER AS IN SPACE!
When I look at the intro scene I see Marika pulling the golden strands out of a serpents eye. The serpent is pale. The top eye lid and brow line are facing more towards the bottom of the shot. She’s pulling them out of an eye that has rolled back in its socket. I for sure agree with the snake stuff. We’re gonna get some pretty big lore bombs about serpents for sure.
56:37 the BENINGING mentioned in the story trailer might just be the beginning of the current era, and in the previous, the lands between and the land of shadow were one, with one tree, but then marika separated the lands and a new era began
I remember missing so much stuff in my 1st Dark Souls playthrough! Unfinished quests, missing the Great Hollow and Ash Lake. Going in blind and missing stuff the first time is okay! It makes your 2nd playthrough 1000x better!!!
35:00 I watched both your videos and it gave me the impression that malikath is talking about the act of putting godwyn on the tree. It makes sense also because he has a thing for death roots.
As a landscaper what the "two" erd trees remind me of is en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppicing it can often cause a tree to grow back with a split trunk, but it could also just as easily be a Woody vine like the Chinese Wisteria, these often grow in a spiral around an existing tree and eventually kill it by overtaking it's canopy.
2:40 - i wish YOuTube had a system where you can blacklist content by tags for a certain amount of time, for example to blacklist "Elden Ring" and "gaming" tags for a month after dlc release, until you are done with it. XD i still remember the thumbnails of you tube recommendations with Radagon and Elden Beast side by side with "you wont believe the final boss of elden ring" a bit around 24 hours since it released. A week or two after i saw a "Radagon is Marika" thumbnail.. :P
One of my theories is the the big subduction and betrayal is will be between Marika and the golden order, which is Marika’s main motivation for ending the golden order.
Clearly elden lore-folks are desperate to finish the puzzle, so they keep jamming the last couple pieces together that don't fit elsewhere. Ranni is marika is melina is miquella is trina is gloam-eyed queen is godefroy.
Its getting really ridiculous,especially when people start dismissing timelines,which are a key part of trying to piece togheter things. Alot of the recent weird theories i keep seeing dont fit in the timeline that we know is stable except for a few secrets but thats up to the players interpretation. Anyway they are really stupid and dont fit in the lore or timeline at all.
I have a theory. I don't know if it could be true though. What if what we see in the beginning of the trailer was the creation of the lands between? The first lines are "Miquella the kind spoke of the beginning" and for Miquella, his beginning would be the creation of the lands between. His initial home. "The seduction, and the betrayal", that may refer to the seduction of power. The power of being a "god in truth" as the finger reader says. And the betrayal part may be how she acquired such power. It also might be how she betrayed the "shadowlands" by leaving it behind by creating a new new land/order entirely. "An affair from which gold arose" may be directly stating just what happened. The creation of the golden order which creates the elden beast, which then creates the lands between. "And so too was shadow born" is referring to not the creation, but the redefining nature of the creation of the golden order/lands between themselves. Deeming the place that we see now as the "shadowlands", a shadow of the golden order. For a shadow is behind oneself when facing the light, and Marika is leaving these lands behind her. And then the final shot before the next scene. It's quite literally a new land being created (acording to the theory) between thoes... flesh pillars? I don't know what thoes are. Irregardless, the imagery says "the lands between" to me.
@@brandonman1315yeah, my bad. Then my next guess would be that at one point, both the lands were together as one. Then we see Marika create the Golden Order in the trailer. And sometime after that for whatever reason, Marika herself, or with the help of others put a vail over the dlc land mass like some giant evergaol deeming it the "shadowlands".
Do we know how much of the original text was written in japanese? People refer to translation errors a lot but considering a large part of the history was written by GRRM I wonder how confidently we can refer to translation issues when discussing lore
So some more thoughts. The track at the end seems to contain the words "ave marika" so maybe not Miquella's boss theme. I also don't think we fight him as he/she's not a fighter. There's also that theory that the NPC from the screenshot aka the narrator is straight up Miquella. The garment is radiant enough. It's crazy that we have all this information and the community finds a base for the wildest speculations, the mushroom theory, the Miquella is Torrent theory, love it. With the PvP I fear it's niche and casuals don't like it. Every streamer plays offline "because hackers" but actually they just don't like PvP.
45:54 the quote is the opening line of the first trailer "Pure and radiant, he wields love to shrive clean the heart's of men. There is nothing more terrifying." and when I first heard it, I got chills... my understanding is 'shrive clean' means cut or sever clean. Miquella uses love as a weapon and once you're under his spell, there's NO turning back... no way to undo it. It makes me think of Miquella's needle and how it allows you to forsake an outer god you sworn allegiance to (thru singing your skin via 3 fingers), so that you can serve Miquella. There is no bond that can withstand his power. Miquella is the most fearsome empyrean, after all...
30:49 about the Deep Root Depths, I always thought it was wired that the biggest tree down there is right next to the Erdtree, maybe it’s vailed and thats the tree wrapped around the erdtree or vice versa in the dlc trailer
Btw why do people think a good Fromsoft character is strange? Have people just forgotten about Artorias? Hawkeye Gough? Sif? Ivory King? Alsanna? Gael? Loretta? Rennala(idk if I would say good? However she doesn’t seem to have done anything bad and where only place that treated Trolls with respect), Loretta, etc. Like I can go on, I understand…to some degree of being cautious about Miquella but given all that we know. It doesn’t really make much sense as to why he would just heel turn into a Griffith character for no good reason. Griffith was ALWAYS a horrible and selfish person. It’s the people around him that made him not be pushed to the edge. However also was out for his self centered dream the question was if he really would go through with it. Just making Miquella some evil mind controlling psycho would need a really strong reason into this change. Story Twists is an act of equivalent exchange: You take something from the audience for someone equally as interesting. Miquella turning without a REALLY good reason would just be poor writing. Twist for twist sake is not good.
I don't think anyone's said there are no morally good characters in Fromsoft games? As for Griffith vs Miquella; Griffith was always a horrible and selfish person but, as I recall, he was perceived as good by the people around him. And to many (myself included) the situation with Miquella *seems* to be the same. There are many people (within the game) that perceive Miquella as good, but there are just as many references that imply a somewhat sinister undertone to the affections he foster. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out in the DLC though.
@@6Theoriesnah the comparison is fine berserk fans are just needlessly butt hurt over elden ring fans making the comparison for some reason. The comparison makes complete sense. Whether it’ll be true or not is anyone’s guess, but to say Miyazaki isn’t consciously giving us details to make the comparison is foolish. It’s obvious Miyazaki expects us to make the comparison. Which again doesent mean we ARE right, but at minimum it’s a red herring, and at most Miquella will just do a 1 to 2 Griffith. 😊
My thought is also that messmer is the son of radagon and the gloom eyed queen? The marika scene makes me think they maybe destroyed the crucible tree during the godskin hunt?
I think that the omen purge didn't happen right after Marika became the god. First war that happened was the war with the giants. That is because the giant wickerman has a giants head attached to its waist. I also believe that Mesmer commands the giant's flame and he could have only obtained access to it after the giants were defeated and Marika forces gained access to the Forge Of The Giants. Perhaps the whole purpose of the war with the giants was just to obtain the flame so that Marika could burn the crucible tree?
I could see that scene with golden strands being the summoning of the Elden Beast. That's probably when the golden meteorite was shot from the Sun, flew through the summit of the Isolated Divine Tower (accessed by defeating Malenia and shows damage to the 8 pillars at the top showing a line of damage), and hitting where modern-day Farum Azula floats in-game making it an area where the Sun never sleeps.
What do you guys think of the Mask of Confindence, could there be a connection to Messmer? Specifically, the brooch and the design on the forehead. Also, could there be more to the golden thread that Radagon uses? Where does the golden thread come from? Crackpotsidenote: the eye holes of the mask remind me of the eyes of Messmers infantry from story trailer!
0:51 E3 trailer you can see on Marikas hammer the very same golden strands we see her grab and brandish in the new trailer Further lending credit to the assumption that was a Great Rune she took and probably stole. Sort of like Eve took the apple, Marika took the Rune of Life and Death
56:00 Considering that the flaming wickermen are adorned with the fire giants and that a lot of Messemer's troops have masks, could there be a link between these factions and the Zamor warriors?
It's also worth noting that we only see the wickermen from the gameplay trailer having fire giant heads on them, not the ones in the story trailer. This could mean that the wickermen have had stuff added to them over time, after all they are used to burn bodies and need the fuel. So maybe there's a chance that fire giants ended up in the land of shadows as a consequence of their war, displacing them.
The other interpretation of the jp translation is that her plan to return the tarnished and our eventually unleashing of the rune of death is how she failed her purpose for him. We can’t see the remembrance until after we unleash it.
Is there anything to say for certain Mesmer isn't behind the spear that's impaled Marika at the end? Seems too coincidental to me that Mr Impaler would have an impaled relative that he wasn't responsible for impaling (unless perhaps her implement becomes motivation for him to become the impaler?)
Could it be that the shadow war happened because Queen Marika banished Godfrey? Godfrey could be from the Shadowlands, and the inhabitants there were content while he was Elden Lord, and then they rebelled when he and the tarnished was banished?
My theory when it comes to the timeline of the war in the shadowland is that it takes way after Marika became a god, because Messmer is very visibly young juxtaposed to the Rykard, Radahn, and Morgott who are visibly aged in comparison, though maybe Messmer is immortal or something. Not to mention I think Godfrey would very much not be a fan that Marika is potentially destroying the culture he hailed from being the Crucible, and the war probably happened after Godfrey was banished. Which to me means that the Crucible and Omen gave Marika a reason for them being destroyed, and something Quelag said on her channel, is that the potential reason why is because the omen wanted to burn the Erdtree when it stopped producing sap, so that’s it’s ashes can be used to fertilize a new tree as the cycle goes. The main evidence with this are the omen in the first dlc trailer who carry candles that resemble a tree in flames. Perhaps the omen themselves were the first to burn the Erdtree as said was “the first cardinal sin” and Marika sent Messmer to slaughter them.
The fingers are weird little special sprouts of the erdtree that are used to communicate the elden lords'/elden beast's commands to the denizens of the lands between, and how they communicate with the greater will (the cosmic being that sent the EB meteor) - they are antennas in that sense.
Crucible refers to a contentious time when many factions are vying for power. The crucible era is probably a time where there were many trees all vying to live, and the erd tree era is probably the time in which the erd tree won out. Although it might just be a metaphor and there weren’t many trees, just many factions vying for power. But either way, the statue of the old guy with a bunch of trees probably represents the crucible.
My assumptions are that Miquella found something that is located in The Shadowlands answers to a lot of his problems as well as maybe accidentally stepping onto some of Marika's past. I assume after he's done with whatever he not only has the powers of purification but also revival so us killing Malenia may not even that big of a problem for him.
26:14 Wasn’t it said somewhere that the Gloam Eyed Queen and Marika were Empyreans, or am I just making that up? Wouldn’t Maliketh have already existed before Marika’s ascension to Godhood?
The Gloam-eyed Queen was an Empyrean chosen by her own two fingers, yes. It's hard to say who came first though. Or if they were even always Empyreans.
For consideration, Marika realized the Greater Will would eventually replace her. Her plan with the shattering was to set up the emperyons to die so she couldn't be replaced. The Elden beast shows up to stop the tarnished from fulfilling Marikas plan
I think there will be a Miquella boss fight but it probably won't be to stop him from doing something evil or going crazy. I hope it will be like Alexander's fight. He realizes that you want a challenge and he fights you out of respect as the end game super boss. If you beat him, he gives you his rune. It would be really cool if you could challenge him again or if it unlocks a boss rush mode.
46:50 - This can be combined. The music does not indicate that Miquella is bad. If through music alone we can analyze the character. Why would we fight someone "good"? Shouldn't the music be less joyful, innocent if we are to kill Miquella? I would like to remind you of one thing. We murdered his sister whom he loved more than anything. That's enough to make someone's ass the autumn of the Middle Ages. That's a funny saying from Poland about doing great harm to someone. I just realized that Malenia is not required to complete the game after all and so she "plot-wise" can live when we meet Miquella. ---------------- My two favorite scenes from this trailer are the kneeling figure whose cape is on fire. And the music that complements the fallen civilization theme is amazing. The second scene is that moment when we see Miquella in the background and presumably his musical theme begins to resonate. Despite the fact that they talk about the rejection of everything or so it would seem and someone who has lost everything and is weak, the music completely does not indicate that it weakens him, quite the opposite! It's interesting that both of these scenes are the opposite. The first scene shows despair and collapse and the second scene also shows loss but is uplifting, heroic. I love listening to podcasts and especially your two. It has been a pleasure.
Did they patch maces to do more poise damage recently? I was fighting Radagon with a morning star and kept staggering him over and over with wild strikes, he usually is the hard part of the fight for me, but that time I beat him up. lol
I've had this theory for awhile in that Marika planned the whole thing due to her realizing godhood wasn't what she thought it was. So she wanted to free herself from it but knew she couldn't so she had all these kids and saw that maybe Ranni could be the one to reach towards the stars to get to the The Greater Will and I guess in turn free Marika of her godhood. But Marika knew all the sacrifices she needed to make, like Godwyns death and the battles that would unfold after shattering the Elden Ring.
An interesting thing about the Confessors is that while they are stated to serve the Two Fingers they will use heretical incantations, or at least ones that Corryn considers heretical. The class starts with Assassin's Approach which is from a book that Corryn deems to be heretical. I wonder if they are loyal to the Two Fingers and/or Greater Will but predate the Golden Order and so have rather differing views on what is and isn't heretical.
On the Fingers. I think when an Empyrean is born a Two Fingers comes into being. Ranni stated she, Mequella and Malenia were all born Empyrean and given their own Two Fingers. So i do think the Fingers were present even before the Erdtree was born. Two of them specifically; Marika’s and the Gloam Eyed Queen’s. I think they are directly created by the Greater Will itself.
IF (probably not) they add covenants, I think it would make sense to have the Miquella bossfight (if there is one) be like the mirror knight or spears of the church, some kind of "miquellan knights" covenant. Ofc I wanted covenants for every demigod and there's plenty enough room and reasons for them, but I doubt it'll happen
Honestly if there was just a convenant for miquella it could actually make sense seeing it’s possible you could either choose to help or fight miquella
The birthing imagery I think is Marika reaching into the “meteor” that delivers the Elden beast, and becoming “one with it” via golden tendrils. The meteor’s material form could be the same fleshy material as the fingers. Edit: Zio’s theory at 42:00 sounds compelling too
5:50 I did that with ds3, but when elden ring came i went in blind other than a quick look up of what the starter classes represented and what stats were about. Other than that i just explored and it was glorious
Not enough people are talking about how that new sword shares that unique shape of the sacred relicd sword and finger slayer blade. And we already know that shape is significant and intentional, it shows the connection of the latter two already.
Interviews are strucured with purpose . its a script more so then a natural interaction if job ,tv show, movie ,or in this case game creator. There is also usually notions of politeness or pre emptive terms agreed on like dont ask that or that . i even would say chances are that miyazaki would not know it necessarly but rather the Agents or Section of people who manage these subjects. All in all , a lot of things could be the reason they dont ask better questions including being dumb or ignorant or willfully un-inquisitive.
yeah the fire giant head being on the wicker men kinda throws everything in chaos for lore theory. A simple theory I thought of is to think that the fire giants have always been hostile to the Crucible and Golden order fractions, and they just been skirmishing here and there for ages until Marika decided to genocide them. Waited until she got more power and realized how much of threat they are to the still growing Erdtree.
The tarnished has killed a lot... a lot of people in the lands between, demigods, dragons, and lords, we have a shitton of runes on our head. Im suspecting there is not a lot of humans left in the shadowlands, and by Marikas design no one can enter there easily. Im suspecting Miquella need the Tarnished for a great sacrifice to sustain or halt that tree for some reason.
I just want to point out the the FIre giant heads were displayed on the Wicker Man for the Game Trailer and there were no Fire Giant heads on the Wicker Man for the Story Trailer. The Story Trailer is in the past and the Game Trailer is in the present. So that leaves Radagon appearance is still a mystery.
This war doesn't necessarily have to come before or after the war with the fire giants. Perhaps while Godfrey and his Crucible Knights are away fighting, Messmer stages a coup to wipe out the previous Crucible order
Nothing to say everything in the story trailer happens in the same time frame - Marika becomes a god and establishes the Erdtree first, but later during the conquest of the lands between there's a war upstairs waged by godfrey and later radagon, and a war downstairs waged by Messmer. We might have to slot the events and various time periods in the land of shadow in between the events we already know.
Radagon might not always have had red hair. So that could be radagon at the beginning in the trailer (which matches how we see him dressed everywhere else) before he was cursed with red hair by the giants (or the flame of the fell god or whatever)
I’ve been following the UA-camr “It’s Shatter” 100% of all missable content walkthrough. Done it on a couple characters but I agree the first playthrough should be blind. I’m in the mountaintops of the giants rn on my DLC character just getting 100% of all lands between content. I’ve been on medical leave from work since last year and will continue to be due to a bad motorcycle wreck so I’ve put over 1.5k hours in and prob going to put another 1.5k in after DLC.
I can't wait for the dlc, definitely playing blind like the base game, hopefully i dont have to search up something dumb like "how to use the secret medallion" like i did in my first playthrough. I also never took my first character to ng+ so I'll probably use him for my playthrough, and that character is a true mixed build because i wanted to be able to try out and use many different weapons and some spells.
I really want the cloth-gina Marika is reaching into, to be the defeated gloam eye'd queens. The original swaddling cloth that holds the rune of death.
Does anybody think it's possible that radagon is not messmer's father, but that it's the other way around. It would explain why radagon does not like his hair, and it's not crazy to have incest in GGRM lore.
I think Fromsoft needs a quick command to be able to read an item description immediately after picking up the item. You shouldnt have to go in to the inventory and find it in order to get to the description.
I don't think it's the bottom of the Elden Ring being shown at the start of the trailer, but the top: Marika's rune of life, as depicted on her scarseal, with her body being the vertical line of that rune. The bottom of the Elden Ring is where its blessings pool, so it makes sense that that would be the last part of it, formed after all of the other great runes exist
Oh right, I completely forgot about weapons. Here I was thinking I only wanted talismans and armor to improve my build. Back when ashes of ariandel came out I found a weapon that was better than my go to and still felt good. I only ever play 1 build and so maybe the dlc will have a weapon that will outclass my weapons.
By the way, to be an empyrean, you must be born from a God. Marika and the GEQ were both empyrean. They were both born from a God. Who is that God? Is it the same one? Hopefully that line of questioning gets resolved.
I think its Radagons that is killed at the end. The Elden beast fight feels more like a trial of strengh like the Elden ring is testing us if we have the might to enforce Marika's new order. Radagon is the only one that seems to lose ot have something to lose in all scenarios. The elden ring is still in Marika's Body at the end I think it and the elden beast are literally the same.
Suppose the fingers are really puzzled by the doors to the Elden Lord Radagon are sealed. So it does seem like Radagon is preventing us because we need the flame to get in
As someone who's played Destiny 2 since Forsaken I thought it was kinda cool to learn Zio played Destiny as well. I thought he was a Elden Ring/Souls content creator only. Btw Zio if you see this Final Shape didnt change much. The campaign was good, on par with the Witch Queen, and prismatic is kinda fun but once you do that and the raid it's back to the same old shit.
When the first thing Ziostorm said wasn't, "What's going on guys," ...that hurt. That really, really hurt. We deserved better.
i feel dirty
We've come so far since The Great Hollowing of 2024, I'm glad Zio has recovered
I remember his despair when there was no trailer at the awards
@@glorytoukraine5524 dude Rata's reaction video was classic, he was like "AAAHAHAHAHA THIS MF LOOK AT HIS FN FACE!!!", it was one of the most infectiously hilarious things I've seen in a long time
@@LAK_770 PRICELESS
I love these Elden ring podcasts Ratatouille. I hope the DLC answers all the confusion around Marika
a french dish (usually) cannot do that
Autocorrect is hilarious sometimes.
Don't expect too much. There will be some answers but even more questions.
No his name is raskall tosser you idiot
Narrator: "The DLC did not answer the confusion around Marika."
Messmer being the GEQ's son makes sense since the statue behind him (of Marika holding a child) is just like the Abductor Virgin imagery, which are Miyazaki's favorite enemy design. If you wanted to be the Lord of Blasphemy you mock the Golden Order with their iniquitous origins. And then, of course, there is a Godskin Apostle in the Church of Eiglay. It seems like Rykard was really trying to infuriate Marika by sending a clear message that he knew something he should not know about Serpents and Infants and Virgins.
Bro committed a little bit too hard to the bit 😭
Fr tho this is one of the coolest lore theories I've seen, creative stuff
Thanks for having me back! Only a month to go 🔥🫡
LESS than a month!
What do you think about Marika's hand is reaching into a godskin hood and not a womb? To me it looks like she reaches across a dead face and pulls out the golden hair strands...
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@@austin0_bandit05 what? It’s 27 days
@@James_Rustled Whoops I meant to say month hahaha
11:32 “Breaks my immersion”
Meanwhile Godfrey deciding to loose his massive axe in order to run the hands with the Tarnished
fuck, i'm over 1000 hours in, still not bored. I've had few months of not playing since launch, once the burnout came. but i'm so hyped for the DLC im enjoying playing as if it was new again.
YES! THANK YOU! I had the same thought, Ratatoskr! It looks like she's pulling the viscous, golden strands out of a baby's head, swaddled in the Swaddling cloth!
🥚 egg of rebirth…..
@@malicmarrow4726ohhh shit the egg of the perfect world
When the narrator in the trailer said "The seduction, And the betrayal" it reminded me of the item descripton of the blackflame monks armor. "The Blackflame Monks, enthralled by the god-slaying black flame, became traitors, abandoning their posts as guardians. The seduction of a taboo is never easily spurned."
When the wind starts blowing on Marika through the opening when she holds aloft the gold strands, that's the Elden Beast boss song. That moment could indicate the coming of the Elden Beast
Totally, she thinks she pulled one over on the greater will but as soon as she creates the ring and the EB is created her fate was sealed.
The wind is roaring like a beast too
The Elden Beast was already there, sent long ago by the Greater Will.
Remember, Placidusax predates Marika and was Elden Lord to a vessel of the Elden Ring long before Marika became the vessel herself.
@@colovianhastur5962 indeed. I misspoke, mean to say that she gave the parasite a new host
A thought: Is there a chance that the previous age was not under the Greater Will but of another god? Like at some point the Greater Will was kicked to the curb and became an _outer god_ instead of THE god for that age. Then Marika came along and returned the land’s between under its rule. It could justify the elden beast having to be sent back again
One thing's for sure, someone will need to go through the DLC and do *Law of Regression* everywhere (maybe even in Mesmer encounters) just on the off chance that that reveals something like "Mesmer is Miquella" or somesuch.
Wdym?
One guy hitting every wall
I saw a video earlier today supposing that Miquella wasn't the Griffith analogue, but Merika; and the image of her ascension in the story trailer was her version of the eclipse. That's not to say Miquella can be trusted, but I do like that interpretation, it's a neat flip of expectations.
I feel like Miquella has more of a Daenerys Targaryen thing, with some of the material being from George RR Martin, a nice figure that gains a following with their message of peace (the book version for more than the show version)
Or… a stick with me here. No one is Griffith. I know it’s shocking to understand that but it’s true.
@@simonealcazar816Miyazaki would absolutely troll us by crafting Miquella to seem like Griffith and then doing a complete 180 on it.
This kind of thing is exactly why I love FromSoftware lore. It's exactly reminiscent of religious debate and philosophy, but it's about a damn vidya game. It's incredible! Great podcast
@@TrueHylianKnightyeah it’s insane I’m 15 but I’ve learned so much about philosophy, alchemy, and history from this game. I rlly wanna get some of my friends into it but they won’t buy it so imma get it as a birthday present and force them to play it lmao.
Not related to elden ring at all but jumping spiders are possibly one of the least harmful species of spiders you could have in your house. In the future I’d recommend you leave them be because:
1. They don’t make webs
2. They eat a lot of other insects
3. They are chill
If I'm aware of any spider existing within a 100 meter radius of me, I'm sending it straight back to hell. Doesn't matter how small, lethal, environmentally-friendly etc. they may be.
@@theophany4935but jumping spiders are so cute!
@@theophany4935 Why tho? I hate spiders but even then putting them into a cup and throwing them outside is way less disgusting than squishing it.
@@theophany4935 that kind of just makes you sound like a puss ngl
@@heibk-2019I’m always paranoid if I squish a spider their fangs will get me through the tissue. Which is why I usually resort to complete over kill if I have to kill a spider.
Though I try really hard to just let them be. Just stay in your corner and let me be thanks.
One of my favourite podcasting channels. Would like to see you do more!
Excellent and relaxing listen. I was worried for a second but then you guys agreed on the basic and proveable facts regarding the Greattree. I find people who can't grasp Greattree lore to be very frustrating. I can't wait for the DLC to set them straight tbh. You've got a new regular listener for sure.
2 of my favorite Elden ring and souls creators in one this is lit af
So the frenzy flame ending, Melina's purple eye may indicate she is Saint Trina. She puts you to sleep when she burns the erdtree.
Interesting note for the Maliketh discussion from 24mins-ish onward: The black and gold armor Maliketh wears shares the colors of the knights we saw in the first DLC trailer.
Maybe there will be some insight on how the Empyreans shadows come to be, as both we know of are rather unique creatures.
good catch!
Bro the final 5 minutes of this pod Zio dropped some amazing questions that have me ZOOTED FOR DLC COME ON JUNE 21
Don't know what it is but the hairy jumping spider being called big boy had me rolling. Great podcast as always
I'd like to point out, in regards of Márika's true intentions, that the armor of Gideon says he saw a part of her will and truly feared it, to the extreme of considering that such goal must not be fulfilled. How this links with the story trailer exactly I'm not so sure of it, not knowing what is her ulterior motive difficults the process of unrevealing the full scope of the lore.
That's a very important point. I've not heard anyone mention Gideon about this so far.
Not enough people are talking about snakes. The snakes with Messmer, Marika’s bracelet resembles a snake. The iconography of snakes is too prevalent around key figures.
We’re going to get another snake revelation of some kind.
I dont see the marika snake bracelet thing at all
@@depalodor While the bracelets don't have explicitly snake-like features, the coiled shape is often associated with snakes. But we will see.
@@depalodor Fair enough but there's gotta be more gold to mine from the snake thing. Rykard's inspiration to fuck with it etc. "The snake is viewed as a traitor to the Erdtree, and the audience delighted in seeing these bronze effigies beaten and battered." -Duelist Helm
There's missing info in the history of the Erdtree and there be snakes.
Uh... One of the space alien meteors was a snake thing. It ate rykard and wanted to eat the world. Just like the elden beast was a glowy gold thing alien meteor, and astel was a planetoid magic snake dragon alien meteor, and the formless mother was a liquid magic blood alien meteor - all the outer gods. OUTER AS IN SPACE!
When I look at the intro scene I see Marika pulling the golden strands out of a serpents eye. The serpent is pale. The top eye lid and brow line are facing more towards the bottom of the shot. She’s pulling them out of an eye that has rolled back in its socket. I for sure agree with the snake stuff. We’re gonna get some pretty big lore bombs about serpents for sure.
56:37 the BENINGING mentioned in the story trailer might just be the beginning of the current era, and in the previous, the lands between and the land of shadow were one, with one tree, but then marika separated the lands and a new era began
I'm super excited for seeing what the martial arts weapon is gonna play like personally
Great guys, can't wait for the podcast for reviewing the DLC
Zio - “looking back I felt like an idiot”
Rata- “right”
The last 10 minutes was huge lore bomb
I think Miquella's story will be about sacrifice, "the ends justify the means". He is going to do some crazy shit
I remember missing so much stuff in my 1st Dark Souls playthrough! Unfinished quests, missing the Great Hollow and Ash Lake. Going in blind and missing stuff the first time is okay! It makes your 2nd playthrough 1000x better!!!
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I watched both your videos and it gave me the impression that malikath is talking about the act of putting godwyn on the tree. It makes sense also because he has a thing for death roots.
As a landscaper what the "two" erd trees remind me of is en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppicing it can often cause a tree to grow back with a split trunk, but it could also just as easily be a Woody vine like the Chinese Wisteria, these often grow in a spiral around an existing tree and eventually kill it by overtaking it's canopy.
2:40 - i wish YOuTube had a system where you can blacklist content by tags for a certain amount of time, for example to blacklist "Elden Ring" and "gaming" tags for a month after dlc release, until you are done with it. XD
i still remember the thumbnails of you tube recommendations with Radagon and Elden Beast side by side with "you wont believe the final boss of elden ring" a bit around 24 hours since it released.
A week or two after i saw a "Radagon is Marika" thumbnail.. :P
Yes!!!!!!! Man I just can not wait for this dlc. Looking forward to listening to this pod.
One of my theories is the the big subduction and betrayal is will be between Marika and the golden order, which is Marika’s main motivation for ending the golden order.
Clearly elden lore-folks are desperate to finish the puzzle, so they keep jamming the last couple pieces together that don't fit elsewhere.
Ranni is marika is melina is miquella is trina is gloam-eyed queen is godefroy.
No people are just making dumb theories ignoring multiple things in the game. It’s just the same thing they have always did since DaS1.
It’s not unique to ER. Solaire is Gwyn’s son, Velka is Prisalla’s mother, etc
Its getting really ridiculous,especially when people start dismissing timelines,which are a key part of trying to piece togheter things. Alot of the recent weird theories i keep seeing dont fit in the timeline that we know is stable except for a few secrets but thats up to the players interpretation. Anyway they are really stupid and dont fit in the lore or timeline at all.
@@dippking4638 this x 1000. A lot of people just disregard timelines for no apparent reason
Why is this a problem? Isnt retrospection and critical thinking part of the human experience? Why are you mad lmao
Ive been waiting for a podcast to drop lol 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have a theory. I don't know if it could be true though. What if what we see in the beginning of the trailer was the creation of the lands between? The first lines are "Miquella the kind spoke of the beginning" and for Miquella, his beginning would be the creation of the lands between. His initial home. "The seduction, and the betrayal", that may refer to the seduction of power. The power of being a "god in truth" as the finger reader says. And the betrayal part may be how she acquired such power. It also might be how she betrayed the "shadowlands" by leaving it behind by creating a new new land/order entirely. "An affair from which gold arose" may be directly stating just what happened. The creation of the golden order which creates the elden beast, which then creates the lands between. "And so too was shadow born" is referring to not the creation, but the redefining nature of the creation of the golden order/lands between themselves. Deeming the place that we see now as the "shadowlands", a shadow of the golden order. For a shadow is behind oneself when facing the light, and Marika is leaving these lands behind her. And then the final shot before the next scene. It's quite literally a new land being created (acording to the theory) between thoes... flesh pillars? I don't know what thoes are. Irregardless, the imagery says "the lands between" to me.
No, the lands between predate Marika and all the current gods.
@@brandonman1315yeah, my bad. Then my next guess would be that at one point, both the lands were together as one. Then we see Marika create the Golden Order in the trailer. And sometime after that for whatever reason, Marika herself, or with the help of others put a vail over the dlc land mass like some giant evergaol deeming it the "shadowlands".
Do we know how much of the original text was written in japanese? People refer to translation errors a lot but considering a large part of the history was written by GRRM I wonder how confidently we can refer to translation issues when discussing lore
The spider situation sent me the longer he was afk. I’m dead.
So some more thoughts. The track at the end seems to contain the words "ave marika" so maybe not Miquella's boss theme. I also don't think we fight him as he/she's not a fighter.
There's also that theory that the NPC from the screenshot aka the narrator is straight up Miquella. The garment is radiant enough.
It's crazy that we have all this information and the community finds a base for the wildest speculations, the mushroom theory, the Miquella is Torrent theory, love it.
With the PvP I fear it's niche and casuals don't like it. Every streamer plays offline "because hackers" but actually they just don't like PvP.
45:54 the quote is the opening line of the first trailer "Pure and radiant, he wields love to shrive clean the heart's of men. There is nothing more terrifying." and when I first heard it, I got chills... my understanding is 'shrive clean' means cut or sever clean. Miquella uses love as a weapon and once you're under his spell, there's NO turning back... no way to undo it. It makes me think of Miquella's needle and how it allows you to forsake an outer god you sworn allegiance to (thru singing your skin via 3 fingers), so that you can serve Miquella. There is no bond that can withstand his power. Miquella is the most fearsome empyrean, after all...
I’m waiting for the compulsion to be nothing more than baby schema or smol=cute and must protect to be the reason. 😂
Well he's very good at it because he's my favorite character in the game
30:49 about the Deep Root Depths, I always thought it was wired that the biggest tree down there is right next to the Erdtree, maybe it’s vailed and thats the tree wrapped around the erdtree or vice versa in the dlc trailer
Btw why do people think a good Fromsoft character is strange? Have people just forgotten about Artorias? Hawkeye Gough? Sif? Ivory King? Alsanna? Gael? Loretta? Rennala(idk if I would say good? However she doesn’t seem to have done anything bad and where only place that treated Trolls with respect), Loretta, etc. Like I can go on, I understand…to some degree of being cautious about Miquella but given all that we know.
It doesn’t really make much sense as to why he would just heel turn into a Griffith character for no good reason. Griffith was ALWAYS a horrible and selfish person. It’s the people around him that made him not be pushed to the edge. However also was out for his self centered dream the question was if he really would go through with it. Just making Miquella some evil mind controlling psycho would need a really strong reason into this change. Story Twists is an act of equivalent exchange: You take something from the audience for someone equally as interesting. Miquella turning without a REALLY good reason would just be poor writing. Twist for twist sake is not good.
I don't think anyone's said there are no morally good characters in Fromsoft games?
As for Griffith vs Miquella; Griffith was always a horrible and selfish person but, as I recall, he was perceived as good by the people around him. And to many (myself included) the situation with Miquella *seems* to be the same. There are many people (within the game) that perceive Miquella as good, but there are just as many references that imply a somewhat sinister undertone to the affections he foster.
We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out in the DLC though.
@@6Theories People need to stop forcing the griffith comparisons, it's annoying and they most likely won't be similar.
@@BrandonKG What exactly was "forced" in the comparison I made?
@@6Theoriesnah the comparison is fine berserk fans are just needlessly butt hurt over elden ring fans making the comparison for some reason.
The comparison makes complete sense. Whether it’ll be true or not is anyone’s guess, but to say Miyazaki isn’t consciously giving us details to make the comparison is foolish. It’s obvious Miyazaki expects us to make the comparison.
Which again doesent mean we ARE right, but at minimum it’s a red herring, and at most Miquella will just do a 1 to 2 Griffith. 😊
"Oh no, it's a jumping spider!"
Second phase kicking in.
The duality of the face artwork is eerie. Great chat. Can't wait for the dlc.
Just watch and learn the covered eye is *also* a sealed eye 😂
My thought is also that messmer is the son of radagon and the gloom eyed queen?
The marika scene makes me think they maybe destroyed the crucible tree during the godskin hunt?
I think that the omen purge didn't happen right after Marika became the god. First war that happened was the war with the giants. That is because the giant wickerman has a giants head attached to its waist. I also believe that Mesmer commands the giant's flame and he could have only obtained access to it after the giants were defeated and Marika forces gained access to the Forge Of The Giants. Perhaps the whole purpose of the war with the giants was just to obtain the flame so that Marika could burn the crucible tree?
I could see that scene with golden strands being the summoning of the Elden Beast. That's probably when the golden meteorite was shot from the Sun, flew through the summit of the Isolated Divine Tower (accessed by defeating Malenia and shows damage to the 8 pillars at the top showing a line of damage), and hitting where modern-day Farum Azula floats in-game making it an area where the Sun never sleeps.
The picture is instantly my wallpaper now
What do you guys think of the Mask of Confindence, could there be a connection to Messmer? Specifically, the brooch and the design on the forehead. Also, could there be more to the golden thread that Radagon uses? Where does the golden thread come from? Crackpotsidenote: the eye holes of the mask remind me of the eyes of Messmers infantry from story trailer!
0:51 E3 trailer you can see on Marikas hammer the very same golden strands we see her grab and brandish in the new trailer
Further lending credit to the assumption that was a Great Rune she took and probably stole. Sort of like Eve took the apple, Marika took the Rune of Life and Death
56:00 Considering that the flaming wickermen are adorned with the fire giants and that a lot of Messemer's troops have masks, could there be a link between these factions and the Zamor warriors?
It's also worth noting that we only see the wickermen from the gameplay trailer having fire giant heads on them, not the ones in the story trailer. This could mean that the wickermen have had stuff added to them over time, after all they are used to burn bodies and need the fuel. So maybe there's a chance that fire giants ended up in the land of shadows as a consequence of their war, displacing them.
The other interpretation of the jp translation is that her plan to return the tarnished and our eventually unleashing of the rune of death is how she failed her purpose for him. We can’t see the remembrance until after we unleash it.
Is there anything to say for certain Mesmer isn't behind the spear that's impaled Marika at the end? Seems too coincidental to me that Mr Impaler would have an impaled relative that he wasn't responsible for impaling (unless perhaps her implement becomes motivation for him to become the impaler?)
Could it be that the shadow war happened because Queen Marika banished Godfrey? Godfrey could be from the Shadowlands, and the inhabitants there were content while he was Elden Lord, and then they rebelled when he and the tarnished was banished?
The sleep arrow description talks about how Miquella's followers use the arrows to bestow his "teachings"
My theory when it comes to the timeline of the war in the shadowland is that it takes way after Marika became a god, because Messmer is very visibly young juxtaposed to the Rykard, Radahn, and Morgott who are visibly aged in comparison, though maybe Messmer is immortal or something. Not to mention I think Godfrey would very much not be a fan that Marika is potentially destroying the culture he hailed from being the Crucible, and the war probably happened after Godfrey was banished.
Which to me means that the Crucible and Omen gave Marika a reason for them being destroyed, and something Quelag said on her channel, is that the potential reason why is because the omen wanted to burn the Erdtree when it stopped producing sap, so that’s it’s ashes can be used to fertilize a new tree as the cycle goes. The main evidence with this are the omen in the first dlc trailer who carry candles that resemble a tree in flames. Perhaps the omen themselves were the first to burn the Erdtree as said was “the first cardinal sin” and Marika sent Messmer to slaughter them.
The fingers are weird little special sprouts of the erdtree that are used to communicate the elden lords'/elden beast's commands to the denizens of the lands between, and how they communicate with the greater will (the cosmic being that sent the EB meteor) - they are antennas in that sense.
That damn Miquellan Knight art dude...
First opportunity I get to take that Knight’s gear, I’m taking it.
Crucible refers to a contentious time when many factions are vying for power. The crucible era is probably a time where there were many trees all vying to live, and the erd tree era is probably the time in which the erd tree won out. Although it might just be a metaphor and there weren’t many trees, just many factions vying for power. But either way, the statue of the old guy with a bunch of trees probably represents the crucible.
Love the creator crossover. Really enjoy both of y’all’s videos
My assumptions are that Miquella found something that is located in The Shadowlands answers to a lot of his problems as well as maybe accidentally stepping onto some of Marika's past. I assume after he's done with whatever he not only has the powers of purification but also revival so us killing Malenia may not even that big of a problem for him.
The opening scene of the Story trailer has the same color palett like the Rune of death that appears after defeating maliketh
Nobody’s going home until Rata gets his Gloam eyed Queen
26:14 Wasn’t it said somewhere that the Gloam Eyed Queen and Marika were Empyreans, or am I just making that up? Wouldn’t Maliketh have already existed before Marika’s ascension to Godhood?
The Gloam-eyed Queen was an Empyrean chosen by her own two fingers, yes. It's hard to say who came first though. Or if they were even always Empyreans.
It seems the embroidery of this Knight's garments looks extremely similar to the Nox Swordstress Armor
For consideration, Marika realized the Greater Will would eventually replace her. Her plan with the shattering was to set up the emperyons to die so she couldn't be replaced. The Elden beast shows up to stop the tarnished from fulfilling Marikas plan
That spider pause was hilarious
I think there will be a Miquella boss fight but it probably won't be to stop him from doing something evil or going crazy.
I hope it will be like Alexander's fight. He realizes that you want a challenge and he fights you out of respect as the end game super boss.
If you beat him, he gives you his rune. It would be really cool if you could challenge him again or if it unlocks a boss rush mode.
46:50 - This can be combined. The music does not indicate that Miquella is bad. If through music alone we can analyze the character. Why would we fight someone "good"? Shouldn't the music be less joyful, innocent if we are to kill Miquella? I would like to remind you of one thing. We murdered his sister whom he loved more than anything. That's enough to make someone's ass the autumn of the Middle Ages. That's a funny saying from Poland about doing great harm to someone. I just realized that Malenia is not required to complete the game after all and so she "plot-wise" can live when we meet Miquella.
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My two favorite scenes from this trailer are the kneeling figure whose cape is on fire. And the music that complements the fallen civilization theme is amazing. The second scene is that moment when we see Miquella in the background and presumably his musical theme begins to resonate. Despite the fact that they talk about the rejection of everything or so it would seem and someone who has lost everything and is weak, the music completely does not indicate that it weakens him, quite the opposite! It's interesting that both of these scenes are the opposite. The first scene shows despair and collapse and the second scene also shows loss but is uplifting, heroic.
I love listening to podcasts and especially your two. It has been a pleasure.
Did they patch maces to do more poise damage recently? I was fighting Radagon with a morning star and kept staggering him over and over with wild strikes, he usually is the hard part of the fight for me, but that time I beat him up. lol
I've had this theory for awhile in that Marika planned the whole thing due to her realizing godhood wasn't what she thought it was. So she wanted to free herself from it but knew she couldn't so she had all these kids and saw that maybe Ranni could be the one to reach towards the stars to get to the The Greater Will and I guess in turn free Marika of her godhood. But Marika knew all the sacrifices she needed to make, like Godwyns death and the battles that would unfold after shattering the Elden Ring.
An interesting thing about the Confessors is that while they are stated to serve the Two Fingers they will use heretical incantations, or at least ones that Corryn considers heretical. The class starts with Assassin's Approach which is from a book that Corryn deems to be heretical. I wonder if they are loyal to the Two Fingers and/or Greater Will but predate the Golden Order and so have rather differing views on what is and isn't heretical.
On the Fingers. I think when an Empyrean is born a Two Fingers comes into being. Ranni stated she, Mequella and Malenia were all born Empyrean and given their own Two Fingers. So i do think the Fingers were present even before the Erdtree was born. Two of them specifically; Marika’s and the Gloam Eyed Queen’s.
I think they are directly created by the Greater Will itself.
IF (probably not) they add covenants, I think it would make sense to have the Miquella bossfight (if there is one) be like the mirror knight or spears of the church, some kind of "miquellan knights" covenant. Ofc I wanted covenants for every demigod and there's plenty enough room and reasons for them, but I doubt it'll happen
Honestly if there was just a convenant for miquella it could actually make sense seeing it’s possible you could either choose to help or fight miquella
The birthing imagery I think is Marika reaching into the “meteor” that delivers the Elden beast, and becoming “one with it” via golden tendrils. The meteor’s material form could be the same fleshy material as the fingers.
Edit: Zio’s theory at 42:00 sounds compelling too
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I did that with ds3, but when elden ring came i went in blind other than a quick look up of what the starter classes represented and what stats were about. Other than that i just explored and it was glorious
34:58 marika is a known shapeshifter, sharing a soul with another body in radagon and being the implied creator of the mimic veil
Not enough people are talking about how that new sword shares that unique shape of the sacred relicd sword and finger slayer blade. And we already know that shape is significant and intentional, it shows the connection of the latter two already.
Interviews are strucured with purpose . its a script more so then a natural interaction if job ,tv show, movie ,or in this case game creator. There is also usually notions of politeness or pre emptive terms agreed on like dont ask that or that . i even would say chances are that miyazaki would not know it necessarly but rather the Agents or Section of people who manage these subjects. All in all , a lot of things could be the reason they dont ask better questions including being dumb or ignorant or willfully un-inquisitive.
yeah the fire giant head being on the wicker men kinda throws everything in chaos for lore theory.
A simple theory I thought of is to think that the fire giants have always been hostile to the Crucible and Golden order fractions, and they just been skirmishing here and there for ages until Marika decided to genocide them.
Waited until she got more power and realized how much of threat they are to the still growing Erdtree.
The tarnished has killed a lot... a lot of people in the lands between, demigods, dragons, and lords, we have a shitton of runes on our head. Im suspecting there is not a lot of humans left in the shadowlands, and by Marikas design no one can enter there easily. Im suspecting Miquella need the Tarnished for a great sacrifice to sustain or halt that tree for some reason.
I just want to point out the the FIre giant heads were displayed on the Wicker Man for the Game Trailer and there were no Fire Giant heads on the Wicker Man for the Story Trailer. The Story Trailer is in the past and the Game Trailer is in the present. So that leaves Radagon appearance is still a mystery.
This war doesn't necessarily have to come before or after the war with the fire giants. Perhaps while Godfrey and his Crucible Knights are away fighting, Messmer stages a coup to wipe out the previous Crucible order
Nothing to say everything in the story trailer happens in the same time frame - Marika becomes a god and establishes the Erdtree first, but later during the conquest of the lands between there's a war upstairs waged by godfrey and later radagon, and a war downstairs waged by Messmer. We might have to slot the events and various time periods in the land of shadow in between the events we already know.
in the artbook, theres an image of Radagon with gold hair, post shattering. who's to say that isnt radagon in the trailer
Radagon might not always have had red hair. So that could be radagon at the beginning in the trailer (which matches how we see him dressed everywhere else) before he was cursed with red hair by the giants (or the flame of the fell god or whatever)
I’ve been following the UA-camr “It’s Shatter” 100% of all missable content walkthrough. Done it on a couple characters but I agree the first playthrough should be blind.
I’m in the mountaintops of the giants rn on my DLC character just getting 100% of all lands between content.
I’ve been on medical leave from work since last year and will continue to be due to a bad motorcycle wreck so I’ve put over 1.5k hours in and prob going to put another 1.5k in after DLC.
I can't wait for the dlc, definitely playing blind like the base game, hopefully i dont have to search up something dumb like "how to use the secret medallion" like i did in my first playthrough. I also never took my first character to ng+ so I'll probably use him for my playthrough, and that character is a true mixed build because i wanted to be able to try out and use many different weapons and some spells.
I really want the cloth-gina Marika is reaching into, to be the defeated gloam eye'd queens. The original swaddling cloth that holds the rune of death.
Is there a chance Marika was calling out to the greater will to send the Elden beast when she lifts up that thing from the trailer?
Does anybody think it's possible that radagon is not messmer's father, but that it's the other way around. It would explain why radagon does not like his hair, and it's not crazy to have incest in GGRM lore.
Not sure if anyone's said this, but the holy of the new NPC's sword looks like Miquella's unalloyed needle: the Needle has that same woven pattern
I think Fromsoft needs a quick command to be able to read an item description immediately after picking up the item. You shouldnt have to go in to the inventory and find it in order to get to the description.
This is partially implemented by the new items tab now :)
I don't think it's the bottom of the Elden Ring being shown at the start of the trailer, but the top: Marika's rune of life, as depicted on her scarseal, with her body being the vertical line of that rune. The bottom of the Elden Ring is where its blessings pool, so it makes sense that that would be the last part of it, formed after all of the other great runes exist
Oh right, I completely forgot about weapons. Here I was thinking I only wanted talismans and armor to improve my build.
Back when ashes of ariandel came out I found a weapon that was better than my go to and still felt good. I only ever play 1 build and so maybe the dlc will have a weapon that will outclass my weapons.
By the way, to be an empyrean, you must be born from a God. Marika and the GEQ were both empyrean. They were both born from a God. Who is that God? Is it the same one? Hopefully that line of questioning gets resolved.
I think its Radagons that is killed at the end. The Elden beast fight feels more like a trial of strengh like the Elden ring is testing us if we have the might to enforce Marika's new order. Radagon is the only one that seems to lose ot have something to lose in all scenarios. The elden ring is still in Marika's Body at the end I think it and the elden beast are literally the same.
Suppose the fingers are really puzzled by the doors to the Elden Lord Radagon are sealed. So it does seem like Radagon is preventing us because we need the flame to get in
As someone who's played Destiny 2 since Forsaken I thought it was kinda cool to learn Zio played Destiny as well. I thought he was a Elden Ring/Souls content creator only. Btw Zio if you see this Final Shape didnt change much. The campaign was good, on par with the Witch Queen, and prismatic is kinda fun but once you do that and the raid it's back to the same old shit.