Derry Girls interview: guide to Brexit and the Irish border
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Channel 4's Derry Girls is easily one of the best sitcoms to hit British television in a long while. It mixes up an all-female spin on The Inbetweeners and some pitch perfect 90s nostalgia, with a poignant and realistic portrayal of The Troubles in Northern Ireland. #DerryGirls
The real genius of the show though is that it lets those elements fall into the background. Yes, it was an era that suffered through violence and terrorism. But, like anywhere, people still went about their lives. People in Derry during The Troubles grew up, got old, fell in love, got drunk, had fun and did all the other things everyone does, no matter where they are from.
Derry Girls is a show about four girls (and an English cousin) coming of age - it is honest and funny and relatable, and just happens to be set against The Troubles. It is something that was happening at the same time, but did not define their lives.
We caught up with the cast of the show - Saoirse-Monica Jackson, who stars as Erin, and actually grew up in Derry; Nicola Coughlan and Louisa Harland, who play Clare and Orla respectively and are both from south of the border; and token Englishmen Dylan Llewellyn, who portrays James.
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I remember the night in 1991 when the police came to our door saying their was a car bomb outside our house and we have to leave NOW!. I was asleep in bed. Mum and dad woke me up, quickly put clothes on and I still remember to this very day holding my teddy bear, walking past a huge police man standing in our hall and he turned to me and said "It will be alright son, you go with your mummy and daddy". Never, ever will I forget that night.
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@@Selkie7 R u from Derry?
I'm so sorry that happened to you
Thing is, this was what life was like no matter what "side" you were on. The millennials just get the family stories handed down. I am on nobody's side, because nobody is on my side, watvhing day after day car bombs, bin bombs, threats of bombs, half mangled cars, half mangled people the BBC forgot to edit out of one news report once. It was on tbe lunchtime news and I would come home from lunch, I was about 8. They edited the 6 o clock news because they knew kids were more likely to be around. And if that's what I felt, god knows what it must have been like for any poor bugger living through it, whether radicalised or not. To hell with it all, you couldn't pay me enough money in the world to visit NI
@@malcolmlugg9843 My parents were born and raised in Northern Ireland. My dad was lucky, he was raised in the country side of County Antrim. However my mother was born and raised in Derry, during the heart of the troubles. As a teenager she lived in Creggan. She was there during gun battles between the IRA and the army, where she was nearly killed walking home from school in 1971. She visited the wake of the late Jackie Duddy, the 17 year old boy murdered by the British army on Bloody Sunday 1972. My uncle Stanley nearly had his head shot off on that Sunday. So I know from first hand what it was like. Thank heaven, my parents left the city when I was young, but I have my own experience of Derry if you want to know?
The actress playing Orla sounds sooooo different.
That's called acting.
She’s from Dublin in reality.
i love her dressing style 🥰👍
Jason C I can’t give you enough credit.
She is from South Dublin (quite posh)
Would like to clarify that for Scottish Students, we do learn more about the Irish Catholic/protestant struggles. Maybe cause we've always had more links with Ireland, or cause we face many of the same issues here. Can't vouch for the rest of British schools
From northern england here, we don't get taught much of our history at all. It was battle of hastings, a bit of henry VIII and then literally nothing on Uk, ignores all history until world wars, and you only do them if you pick history at GCSE. i know a lot of young adults who have no idea what the troubles are and are shocked when they hear there were 'terrorist' issues in northern ireland, since they only think its possible for muslims to bomb stuff.
Essentially, the education system I was subject to was missing a lot of important 'recent' history like the troubles and basically anything on the British empire. We get told it existed, but that's it. They don't want us to know the specifics since they are mostly awful things it did. Then again, might just be my experience.
That’s what I was saying, reckon our schools are maybe just a bit more in touch with our roots, however, we even looked at the bad, like the horrible things we did to the Irish. Don’t know if we’re more willing to admit things.
Yeah it kind of relates to the bother in Glasgow.
In my northern English school we were taught about it, but maybe it was off the curriculum a bit... Very small school in the North West
Take the protestants out of Ireland, send them BACK to Scotland and vise versa. Simples
I did GCSE history in England and we had a huge coursework module on Northern Ireland and it was quite in-depth and made me have a great understanding of the history of the troubles. It's a shame that everyone doesn't do it in all schools though.
And as late as GCSE when it is optional
Imagine the British teaching correct and real Irish history? Don't make me laugh!
William Wallace we do in Scotland.
No you have the EU now
They don't even teach them about their own history . . . Peterloo a good example
That's the reason they don't teach it. I grew up in England if it wasn't for the fact it was on the news everyday from my birth to my 20's in the 90's I wouldn't have known. but kids born after the end won't get taught about it because we shouldn't be there. PS it will always be Derry, it's never sat well for me to hear the news readers call it L..... Derry.
As an English schoolgirl, I can confirm that we never learn about our ancestors being arseholes
we learned about the troubles in school in Norway but they dont in gb
Craig Tait we do
stephen turner I have to agree with you as a Scottish Protestant I felt that the teachings were a tad anti-Protestant/British.
Up the rah
oh yeah oh yeah what a mature and well-thought out reply.
Ellie XO I’m also Scottish and were taught about Ireland and N.I and our teachers did vary in bias one tried to disregard our previous teachings of the fact most N.I were Ulster Scots, Scottish that we’re removed from their land in Scotland by the English and relocated to Ireland against their will. Unfortunately not all teachers take a neutral stance and let there own bias even to extend sectarian views lead the teaching narrative
I study Irish History for A-Levels and I live in England but the period I study only goes up to 1921 and the partition of Ireland. But the only reason we study that is because my history teacher is Irish and he's actually retiring next year so they are going to replace Ireland with Civil Rights in America.
Are you saying it is impossible to research Irish history after 1921 in English schools, I had a basic secondary school education and I had no problem at all researching any period of Irish history, you speak as though there is a conspiracy in the English educational system to prevent students from researching the wrong their government did in dealing with the Irish people.
@@patrickkelly7085 nope, never said that. I understand that schools tend to only teach a topic in history that the teacher is qualified in. Anyone interested in history might research it but the majority of the kids in England might not be interested so will remain ignorant about such a recent event in British history. that is why I think it is important to teach this in school.
We did the Troubles in Australia! How is the reality of NI history NOT mandatory in the UK?!?!
NI curriculum teaches it. Not sure about the mainland. I would hazard a guess at No.
Learn about in Scotland well we definitely did back in the mid 00s when I was in high school
I remember the night in 1991 when the police came to our door saying their was a car bomb outside our house and we have to leave NOW!. I was asleep in bed. Mum and dad woke me up, quickly put clothes on and I still remember to this very day holding my teddy bear, walking past a huge police man standing in our hall and he turned to me and said "It will be alright son, you go with your mummy and daddy". Never, ever will I forget that night.
@@johnking5174 You wouldn't really forget something like that.
One of my early childhood memories was a mini riot where I used to live and a make shift barricade going up down the bottom of the road. The RUC came, people attacked them. I don't ever want to see stuff like that happening again.
@@BDaMonkey My mum growing up in Creggan used to come home from school into the midst of gun battles between the IRA and the army. She nearly got shot dead many times, as she tried to get home to Circular Rd, especially in 1972.
I’m from England and we were taught about the troubles for our gcse history coursework. It was by far the most interesting topic we had learnt throughout history lessons at school. I now live in Belfast for uni, I never thought at the time I’d move to Northern Ireland! I have a flatmate from Derry too so it’s fascinating to learn from everyone here what life was like for their parents at the time.
Yes, I was absolutely shocked to learn about this at the age of 16 during gcse history, I then did my own research and just could not believe we didn't learn about this as part of British history from an earlier age.
@@Amy26012 lots of other pressures on the history syllabus in schools and only limited teaching time. Efforts to have a more British focus have also been met with resistance.
@@JonathanDoyle-te4mt so much time was dedicated to learning about world war II even then only what the British did in the world war was ever discussed no mention of non European countries. Its probably changed now with a more worldly perspective in the history syllabus I hope, but this was 15 years ago. The UK is put in a bad light when you learn what happened to the Irish so I do believe it’s purposefully avoided imo.
@@Amy26012 I mean most people complain that all that is studied of WW2 in the UK is the nazis and their rise to power (which IMO is actually vital as a warning in any democracy). The war itself is covered very little and there is often concern that people get too much of their knowledge of the years of conflict from American films.
"Do the Irish think the English are really cool?" Lol.
We don't
No - we have every reason to hate their guts and wish death on them
Kuchi Kopi Fuck off
@@siobhanofarrell4646 really? Some "peace process"
Siobhan O'Farrell then you are part of the problem.
We studied Irish history at A level in England - the famines up to partition pretty much. We also took a trip to Dublin and visited sites from the Easter rising such as the post office and also Kilmainham Gaol and Croke Park.
I felt it was very important to learn about these parts of history but of course by the time you are doing A levels, a lot of children have already dropped history or maybe even left school altogether.
I just want to say I love the series.
As an american who is/was slightly older than the characters I find them quite relatable. Having gone to catholic schools at that time really helps. I remember hearing what news we, over here, got of their situation.
I love that everyone was just saying Northern Ireland then saoirse was like “the north of Ireland” lmao
Good spotting..I was always told by my father Never Northern ireland...Its the North of Ireland..And my fathers name is Billy ..We had to leave the troubles and move to new zealand
'Ireland' is a geographical term for the island, in the same way that the term "Great Britain" just refers to an island, with no governmental meaning, so the phrase "the north of Ireland" shouldn't be assumed to necessarily imply any politics, it should be a "safe" neutral phrase.
@@compulsiverambler1352 but it’s quite well know to be a Republican phrase. But honestly don’t think anyone apart from Republics or Loyalists actually care about wording anymore. I find myself and most of friends are quite neutral in our views of NI politics care more about issues such as climate change, brexit, womens rights, lgbt rights.
North of Ireland is a republican term for the 6 counties, was taught that by an Irish catholic mate of mine.
Louisa and Nicola do a really convincing Derry accent even though they're not from Derry, Nicola is from Galway and Louisa is from Dublin.
I’d just like to clarify, Scottish school teach correct Irish history. Can’t speak for English and Welsh schools.
cwazy345 are you welsh? Just want to know does a hatred towards the English carry in for the welsh people like it does in Ireland categorically speaking.
Senór Irish as a welshy I would say probably not as much as as the Irish have, but that said the north are much more nationalist than the south, so maybe more there? Everyone I know is kinda jokingly against the English, but no actual hatred. They can’t help being dickheads now can they
FINALLY someone speaks the truth :)
Yeah I didn’t appreciate being lumped under the ‘british schools’ when it was untrue.
No necessarily correct I’m Scottish and throughout high school was taught different narratives on events by different teachers due them letting their own bias influence their teaching some teachers even totally contradicting previous lessons
The good message "We've come a long way"..so many throughout the entire world want to argue and fight about things that happened in the past. Remember the past but live for the future!
Fascinating and hilarious at the same time. Love the accents, phrases and the humor too.
All this said and respected. This show is fucking amazing ...it's laugh, cry, hilariously laugh and cringe! It captures so many emotions and is such a breath of fresh air...everything about it is awesome! 😉
"Do the Irish think the english are really cool?", now that's comedy.
We learnt about the troubles in Australia extensively. Our teachers made it clear it was very important to learn about it, particularly because Australia has some Irish roots and mostly Irish Catholic so it was one of our main History topics we covered each year
Its shocking that they don't learn about this in England
I am from australia too but my school completely skipped it. It was an anglican school so....maybe it's that.
my mum was raised a Protestant and my dad was raised a Catholic and he experienced a lot of horrors through that whereas my mother only really witnessed it. neither of them are actually religious and raised me as atheist but my school also failed to tell me anything about my own history. I hate that we are always stripped of our identity like this but it’s so nice to see the derry girls talk about it ❤️
I finished secondary school in 2013 in England and we weren't taught about the troubles at all. It's absolutely a conscious decision, they also don't really teach about colonialism and the empire - they don't want to teach us about events in which we were the bad guys. My history classes (pre year 10 choice classes) were mostly comprised of learning about past monarchs, vikings, odd miscellaneous battles (like 1066), WW2 (framed with Britain being the heros who ended the war, of course), and for some reason, JFK's assassination (but we did have a weird and clearly unqualified history teacher at my shit little school that year so that may not even be on the actual curriculum).
Very interesting. Here in New Zealand we only learn about the negatives of us colonising New Zealand. And what we should have done better and how we should do better.
In my English school we learnt about the Troubles in history - it wasn’t massively in depth, but it was still there
That's the issue, it's only touched on yet a massive part British history
1:51: I love how Louisa Harland pulls her sleeves over her hands like Orla does repeatedly in the show :-P
I'm from Belfast, from an Irish school. Did history gcse and alevel, we only get taught about partition and the war of independence, we are not allowed to be taught anything about the troubles probably because majority of us have family members associated (and partly because the examination board is british) so we are left to find out what happened from our communities which are heavily one sided, so the cycle continues.
was worse during the troubles tho my dad tells the story of how they were 16 in a history class being taught about Henry the 8ths and his wives etc and 2 of his friends that were in the IRA pulled out handguns and told the teacher never to teach english history again.
Must be your area, I would imagine. We did it secondary school for a term.
@Straight White British Protestant Glossing over the Troubles. The thing that we are talking about. Fuck sake.
We get taught it in Scotland
To be fair, when they actually start teaching you about what happened you end up completely Up the Ra! Haha
I went to school in north Dublin and it just laid out what happened. We learn about the Ballymurphy massacre, we learned that Bloody Sunday was a murder rampage - the schools in the Republic never waited for some british tribunal to make “official” the facts of what everyone saw.
We learned that in many ways the IRA during the 1970-1998 conflict were less vicious than the 1919-1922 Michael Collins one.
They didn’t sugar coat anything. The North isn’t complex, the Irish side is right and the unionist side is wrong. Ireland voted for independence in 1918 by a huge majority, so what are the British still doing here, was ultimately the fact they never sugar coat like you’d get in a British school book pretending this is complex so they don’t look so bad.
Palmeiras K no I really wouldn’t be since we done my family tree and found out that a family member was killed by the IRA due to mistaken identity 😑 they were visiting their son who was in the process of becoming a catholic priest my gran always wondered why her mums side of the family suddenly went from Catholic to Protestant also as a baby we lived in England and were caught up in an IRA bomb I support neither both as bad as each other it’s a complete joke that both sides even think they have a higher moral ground both killed innocent people and according to my neighbour who is Irish the N.I had a vote to remain part of the UK in 73 she is Irish not Nothern Irish so I will confirm it with someone I know who is Nothern Irish though also Education in Scotland is a developed power so is independent of British Education hence how we learn it and they don’t in fact our education is less bias than yours as we learn both sides equally so most have to opinion both sides are complete cunts
Odd hearing them talk with Southern Accents
I don’t think any of them are from the south other than Sister Michael, she sounds Cork or Kerry.
Orla has a posh Dublin accent and Clare has a Galway accent. That’s east and west.
To be clearer - their natural accents aren't Ulster, but they are so good at the Derry accent I hadn't realised they were not from Ulster.
mikjanbubble Ah right, now I understand.
Other Irish accents aren’t that difficult to mimic if you’re from any part of Ireland - Cork and poorer Dublin can be kind of hard - but north is fairly easy as it’s so common. About 11 of the 32 counties sound nordie, even in parts of Leinster and Connacht like Louth and Leitrim where they bump up against Ulster, so nearly half the country sounds kinda nordie haha plus posh Dublin and posh Belfast can be similar, Rory McIlroy sometimes sounds half D4 and the same with a lot of the ulster rugby lads
Although we can say northern accent it's not kosher to say southern accents, just say Dublin accents
prowlers there’s nothing wrong with saying southern accents if they’re from the south, Cork/Limerick etc, which is a really strong collection of accents.
Saying Dublin, when Clare is from Galway is as wrong as saying she has a northern or southern accent. Galway is in the west and sounds as different to Dublin as it does Derry.
Why is Jamie-lee never in any interviews?
I think one person said somewhere she's working on other projects and couldn't do them
Doing a play in London
She's in quite a few. Look for the ones from the Edinburgh Festival.
Finally, a voice for the people of the north. Makes me so proud to be Derry girl myself (mind you older than them but still…) Can’t wait for for it to come back on telly!!!!!
oiMarkusv A small majority of them are Unionists at the moment. But the sands are rapidly shifting...
@@TheLastAngryMan01 I'm actually from Belfast,Northern Ireland so please feck off you knuckle dragging spastic!🙄
I can personally promise you that if a border pole was held that the vast majority would vote to remain part of the United kingdom because nobody in there right mind would vote to make themselves poorer which a United Ireland would do🙄😂
@@TheSiobhan12 nice come back bro did ya think of that one by yourself?👍 and no I'm not English I'm actually from Belfast ya knuckle dragger and I also heard your lot shot a young girl the other day yous should be so proud of yourselfs🙄👍
oiMarkusv first of all “bro” I’m a female, so keep the fecking bro’s to yourself. Second of all you need a new wee line your self nuggle dragging Savage!!! If by my “lot” you mean ordinary everyday people trying to live their lives, fair enough!!! It’s comments like this that make me sad that Northerner’s like you exist!!! Piss off!!!
@@TheSiobhan12 and "Northerners" like me exist simply to remind the rest of the world about the type of savages like yourself who play the victim on TV whilst also firing live rounds at young women and children in
"Northern Ireland"!
P.s I forgot to mention I'm actaully a Catholic from west Belfast and even I can tell its despicable low lifes from your city who are holding this place back!
Seeing a few people asking if Irish history is taught in English schools. Truth is, as a student from England, Irish history is almost totally neglected, that is up until A level history where it will come up under 19th and 20th century British politics, as far as the 1960s. I can confirm that the teaching I experienced was impartial and it stressed the horror of British crimes as well as Irish. To say that England avoids teaching this subject is incorrect but I wish that it was taught earlier in schools so that younger people could understand the issues affecting British/Irish relations.
The troubles didn’t start until the 60s so they missed out the part that made them look bad. If any school in England was to actually teach it, they would have to teach the Bloody Sunday massacre, and explain to a class of 15 year olds why another 16 year old unarmed innocent child was murdered by British soldiers for no reason other then the fact he was involved in a peace march with the excuse that “there were IRA weapons”. It has been confirmed there weren’t and so that meant so many lives were lost
When you are under occupation.. is it a crime or resistance?
Clearly they didn't teach it well enough because you seem to think that British and Irish "crimes" were equally bad. Ireland was under colonial rule and Britain had no business being in Ireland. It wasn't some tit for tat fight between equals. The history you learned was biased and you don't even realise.
When I was at school in Scotland in the eighties and early nineties, the history we learned was mainly Romans, the Stuart era (but in Britain as a whole, not pre-James VI), and WWI/WWII (with a slant towards social history, although we did also study the early years of the Cold War. In the nineties there was a move towards teaching more Scottish History in Scottish schools. The Troubles were not taught in the history curriculum, they were actually happening at the time. Luckily for me Scotland was barely affected, but Ireland especially and some parts of England really had hard times. We had one horrific incident in our area, where a guy was discovered storing semtex in a barn on the farm where he worked but apart from that life pretty much went on as normal. Even just the little things, like my older sister lived in London and can remember that the tube trains regularly stopped in tunnels while they waited to see if the unaccompanied bag in carriage three would explode, ...living in Derry must have been that times one hundred. I do however remember being encouraged to read the 'Across the Barricades' books by Joan Lingard. I don't think we actually studied them but I think they were on suggested reading lists in my English classes.
Am Irish but I moved to Scotland a couple of years ago and we still learn Irish history.
I wasn't taught any Irish history when I was in school in London during the 1970s, and not surprising because the IRA were bombing London. I grew up thinking Brits were really nice people but I only learnt later how brutal the British empire had been.
Interesting how I’m from Singapore and we learned about NI’s history in depth but it’s not really taught in Britain.
I grew up in London and we were taught nothing about Northern Ireland or the history surrounding the island of Ireland and it's borders. We were made to parrot the countries that made up the UK and we were corrected when we said "Ireland" but never given an explanation.
It'd frighten the crap out of you - I think that's why some schools may avoid it. Bad move though - education is everything
I was taught about the troubles from my great granny her side of the family was from Ireland and scotland, she was a Catholic I remember her saying all the fighting was stupid
The best way to confuse people who think everyone Irish or British is to say your Irish/ Northern Irish me coming form a mixed religious family see myself as Irish and northern Irish we should never have to choses between we have two identity I choose to have both
Is Northern Irish the alternative to Irish or is that not British so then there would be 3 to choose from?
@@ShannonVlogs being northern Irish is apart of being British not many Irish people I know that's is form my father's side would ever say there or northern Irish they see that as being British not Irish at all that is why the northern Irish part is there not because its Irish because Northern Ireland is run by the British government and over the border is run by the Irish government
@@994mjm I am fully aware of this being a citizen of Northern Ireland myself, i have never considered northern irish being British, i viewed it as being Northern irish given that its a country, same way scottish welsh and english exists. I never concluded that British and Northern Irish were interchangeable as in Northern Ireland you either check the box that says Irish or British. I hope they add Northern Irish as it gives off the message of unity between people in the whole country of Northern Ireland and a sense of shared identity but thats a long shot lol
@@ShannonVlogs they never give you a real choose in the matter so when they asked my was it Irish or British I said northern Irish/ Irish so they asked again and they then just said ok Irish then we should have our own identity they both sides will agree on and not fight over
Good for you. I think that would solve everything. Be your own selves.
Down to earth young actors 👏🏼
Wow I can understand Claire’s actress so well. Her English is very easy to understand in real life. Same with Orla’s actress.
Someone once said to me once they thought the Northern Ireland accent is harsher/stronger than Republic of Ireland and you can definitely tell the difference as clear as night and day here!
@@Aradcliffe89 Known as bastard Scottish!
William Wallace I never made the Scottish connection! I just thought it was really mixed and affected by the British influence but then found out the other day that supposedly that’s why south Dubliners draw out their vowels
@@Aradcliffe89 Scotia is the roman name for the Gaels, and the (northern) Irish conquered Western Scotland in the dark ages. The original Scottish state was a mash-up of Irish settlers and Picts, so basically the same people. Dublin was established as a Norwegian town so it can be argued that the Western Scots and Northern Irish are the 'real' Irish.
endintiers you learn something new every day! 💃🏽
I love the expressions on their faces on the show, cracks me up...hilarious! 😜😜😜😜😜😜🤪🤪🤪🤣🤣😋😋😋
I've seen I think one episode of the show watched a few clip videos a couple interview videos I got to say I really like the blonde girl the character she plays the way she plays it she's hysterical and the interviews she really seems to have a good head on her shoulders.
I learnt about it in school and I'm form England.
If you do Irish history in Ireland you do end up hating the English. Hard not to with all the crap we put up with. The knock on effect it s that culturally we have a strong sense of identity.
They teach it in schools in Scotland if you look at the Scottish - Higher History exam paper
Gaddiator I’m Scottish and went to School in the mid 00s and we done about it in 2nd year and 4th year history, 2nd and 3rd year in R.E and read a book in 4th year English called across the barricades it was along time ago so I might of got the years wrong btw lol
It is an injustice I say ........ only three seasons!!!! grrrr.
I'm planning on visiting Derry some time but no idea when it will be possible at the moment.
Covid is rough up there so it will be a while
amo esta serie con locura, tremendos actores
To be honest, British schools, especially Welsh and English are failing because of how piss poor the system is and how corrupted it is, as an Englishman, I learnt nothing about the countries closest but those farthest away and it was pointless because I was hurrendous when I left, however I'm in a well paid job because I've worked for it, honestly, the education here is a disaster.
Agreed! I’d include Scotland too, British Education is terrible at teaching history and languages.
When I was in school I was asking the exact same thing. Why are we learning about an ancient past that is obviously interesting and has lessons about how we have evolved though strangely lacking in more recent and relevant events. If it wasn't for my own curiosity about the events of the world wars and cold war I would have know very little and isn't this recent history more important than kings and queens of yonder age?
It sure made me curious to find out more about the conflict there.
As an englishman, I couldn't give a a toss about northern Ireland 🤣😂
“Cool” would indeed not be the first word. Close though. It also has four letters and begins in “C”.
This reminds me about the ongoing debate about teaching Critical Race Theory here in the US.
Orla is gorgeous
I knew about it but I put that down to scouse parents with irish ancestory rather than the school system.
I got taught a bit about it in RE in year8 in a unit on peace and conflict (Greater London school)
" an all-female spin on The Inbetweeners" poor James.
I can't deal with Orla sounding so normal.
I learnt about the troubles in England
Maia.Rae.Green1 there was no troubles in England it was in Ireland
Brendan,, yes but people are saying they should teach about the Ireland troubles in the all UK school and I’m saying they do teach it in other country’s. I live in England and we have learnt about it.
Maia.Rae.Green1 oh I thought u were saying there were troubles in England 😂 but I get what u mean they should teach it more
The "troubles" in the 1990's wasn't as bad as the 1970's & 1980's when it was crazy. but it's true people across the water in Britain don't know a lot about Ireland & probably don't want to know.
I studied GCSE history and both A Level history and politics (within the last few years) and we learnt absolutely nothing about this. The Tudors, Nazi Germany, Russia and America both past and present . The Irish? Absolutely nothing. Tbh it’s a disgrace
It depends on your examination board.
Every school in the uk should be taught it. Most boards and schools try to hide it because they are ashamed or they still truly believe the actions of the English were justified. It’s so unfair, because now the only ones who learn it are the people who already have heard it all before through our entire lives. It’s everyone else who needs to hear it, to stop it happening again. Because the people in Northern Ireland know the effect and they already understand that it cannot happen again
It's never too late to learn about history, doesn't have to happen in school.
I grew up in n I Ireland never knew bout England or the royal family then the internet changed everything I'm Irish I love English people so nice
@@garyhutton2654 in our school they did a bit of Irish history (famine, United Irishmen rebellion, flight of the earls, plantation mainly), more on local history of the village and surrounding areas, and British history got quite well covered.
Apart from the local stuff, I learned far more from the books I was reading at the time and for decades after. Still interested in history.
I love them all…just think they are great
Most certainly is taught in UK schools.
I was educated in Scotland during the early 2000s and there was simply no mention of Ireland. In hindsight it’s disgraceful.
I found out about the Troubles in a movie with Tommy Lee Jones.
If certain parts of English history (Ireland included) was taught in schools in England.......kids would hold there head in shame ( yes I am English and proud... just not of certain parts of her history)
Off topic but I think the guy who plays James should bulk up he'd look badass
I was taught four years ago about the troubles for a term when I was in year 9. It’s not true that we weren’t taught about it in my personal experience, and I felt when I was taught it, my teacher was sympathetic to republicans although that’s obviously case by case.
I am surprised Tipu Sultan, Hyder Ali or the Sikh or Mughal empires never tried to ally with the IRA. The first 2 had connections with the French but not Ireland for some reason. Imagine what could have happened had these Indian rulers allied with Napoleon and the US to fight the British. At the end of the day it was actually the IRA and not the Indians or Pakistanis that killed the hated Mountbatten.
INTERESTING FACT: The Gherkin, one of the most iconic buildings in London, is only there because the IRA blew up the whole area in 1992. The Gherkin was built on the site. The IRA (the Irish Republican Army) were active from 1972 until 1996 and they bombed Britain many times.
Jeff Oliver The IRA would never have existed if the British had stayed where they belong.
Fun fact: Loyalist paramilitaries killed the first several victims of the modern Troubles and indeed the first RUC constable to die, at a time when the IRA was dead in the water. It was the burning of nationalist homes in the late 1960s (as well as internment without trial, directed exclusively at nationalists) which gave birth to the Provos.
Fun fact: because of the British most Irish catholic’s in NI were unemployed throughout the troubles, didn’t have proper housing, lost countless family members to the RUC and paramilitaries, most couldn’t vote until the 60’s and even if they would it wouldn’t matter because of gerrymandering. And lastly, the troubles started when a Protestant, single girl was given a council house over a large family with young children. Don’t act like a building being lost is the same as that. It’s not. London didn’t even get half of what went on in Northern Ireland.
Fun Fact: the british government colluded with loyalist paramilitary groups and the RUC in order to carry out a state sanctioned Shoot to Kill policy. Unarmed Irish Republicans were shot dead at roadblocks. People deemed sympathetic to the Irish cause were targeted as well including solicitors like Patrick Finucane (who was shot dead in his own home in front of his wife and kids) and Rosemary Nelson (who was killed by a car bomb).
The british government was hauled before the European Court of Human Rights and found guilty of denying three IRA Volunteers Mairead Farrell, Dan McCann and Sean Savage their basic Right to Life - stating that they could have arrested them at ANY time as they had been under surveillance. Instead they were unarmed when they were murdered. Farrell and McCann were surrendering, with their hands in the air, when they were shot multiple times in the face and back. Sean Savage was chased down and shot 18 times.
During an inquest into their murders Pathologist Alan Watson described Sean Savage’s murder as a “frenzied attack”. It took more than 15 minutes to read the list of his wounds: Entry wounds included 5 to the head, 5 in the back, 5 in the front, and 1 in the hand. In a similar case the British government was ordered to pay £10,000, plus up to £30,000, costs to each of the families of eight IRA Volunteers murdered in an ambush at Loughgall in County Armagh. Ladies and gentlemen - this is the REAL British government in action. Their people must be SO proud.
@@siobhanofarrell4646 Fun fact you’re a pillock
Did she say we aren't occupied anymore?
Love the show
damn lousie didnt hold back at all
Love them all
James arness interviewed with jimmy Fallon on tonight show he told Fallon the new season of gunsmoke
I don't care if I get called a perv, but Saoirse is a total fox!
im here for Orla
Don't you dare marry a protestant thou
why did they make clare wear 2 ids?
To hide her devils dumplings
You will only be taught a version of history that suits the country you are in. The Irish will be taught their version, oppression and violence, with the accent on this so as to justify any Irish action however barbaric.
The British , by whom the Irish mean the English, will be taught about a bunch if ingrates being brought to heel.
You would have to go abroad to learn anything approaching the truth..such as it is...because on the whole british isles, you will only get a skewed version depending on your location.
On a slightly different note, not sure why it was felt necessary to introduce the subject on the eve of a television series, although the lady who plays orla is eloquent and seems to grasp the context of the question.
Looking forward to the series, great piece of television.
Not true. Went to a Catholic school in Ireland. We were taught about both sides with regards to Irish and British history and how it played out. There is no 'version' of history, if it's taught properly and with adherence to fact.
Sister Michael was right about one thing - WE ARE the Goodies! 🇮🇪 TAL
No, we were taught both sides and to be objective in the discussion - that is how you handle history at GCSE, not just regurgitate one side, and that is how it's taught
@@siobhanofarrell4646 ?
Yes some English schools taught a version of what happened but if you want to know the full and honest truth you need to go and pick up an Irish history book.
Nicola Coughlan is beautiful.
I love Orla
What! They don't teach the tales of the crimes against humanity that were the british empire.
My school does
It is talk. It's that old fake news again
I’m English and would like to see a united Ireland. No hate to anyone on the island, but reunification seems more natural than the present state.
People knew what they were voting for.
I don't recall ending fish exports and closing the border to ireland being written on the bus !
She obviously meant that the people who voted for Brexit didn't know what the implications for Northern Ireland could be.
Isn’t Northern Ireland part of Britain ? I’m Canadian so I’m a bit confused, I thought Londonderry was in Northern Ireland, why are people talking about occupation.
@JonerysStan4life Do you think that union jacks just spontaneously appear in other countries? 😂
Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom (not a part of Britain, Great Britain is a geographical entity not a political one - i.e. England Scotland and Wales are a part of Great Britain). Catholic/Nationalist propaganda makes use of words like "Occupation," because they are more incenduary than words like "Political union," which is more politically accurate given that the majority of people in Northern Ireland historically have wanted to be a part of the political union with Great Britain. This is true even today with demographics showing that 52% of the population is protestant (unionist) and 47% of the population are catholic (nationalist). Demographics also show that around 98% of protestants feel strongly about remaining in the United Kingdom whereas only around 30% of catholics have strong feelings about reunification with the Irish republic. Around 40% of catholics are open to the idea of reunification with the Republic and about 30% of catholics may not call themselves unionist but they do not have stong feelings about reunification. Demographics are changing and Catholics are outbreeding protestants, also Brexit may or may not play a factor, but for the foreseeable future Northern Ireland will probably remain a member of the United Kingdom.
@@RaidenWard I’m sorry I didn’t mean to offend you, I’m just unaware of how things are over there. I just thought that a certain region was in some sort militarized area or something that’s why
@@patrickcycles oh ok I see, so it depends on who you ask I guess.
@@Yoyozworld19 kind of yeah both sides of the community have different narratives of history.. both narratives of history have merit.. This is true of alot of history but is especially true of the Northern Irish situation..
She look melissa Joan heart
And we learn about the troubles and all the deaths that the IRA caused
We knew exactly what we voted for... we just don't care about northern Ireland
The EU are the ones politicising the Irish border issue, not the UK
Err who dredged up this brexit shite but didn't bother mentioning it in that referendum?
That’s crazy lol
Pro-viide an opportunity for the young man to SPEAK!!! :)
irish history Is taught in Scottish schools just just the English that don't get taught it
When I was at school all I learned was the famine and even then it was just one lesson and all we did was read literally half a paragraph worth and answer about 4/5 questions. I had grandparents who came from Ireland (Republic) so I know a bit of Irish history.
On what basis are you claiming "the English don't get taught it"? What study have you done of the curricula of English schools? Thought not - just one person not done it that you spoke to
Oh, to be that visitor lanyard...
A rather one sided analysis - as one said, it is a complicated situation
The english lad was definitely taught in some private school were they teach a one sided view. I'm english (ignore the name) and learnt about the troubles. I did my history coursework '20th century conflict' on the whole history of that conflict. Only because this posh bellend probably did his on ancient greece doesnt mean all of us english are ignorant. Most of us in the north have irish family and are well aware. We went to schools with working class kids of irish heritage. Stop painting the 'english' as ignorant of other peoples history.
Love you Dylan but Scotland learn about the Ireland in school :)
What the h*** did they just say