Testing Diamond-Coated Routerbits + Giveaway & Free Spreadsheet
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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For some time now, I had a surfacing bit with carbide inserts and an 8mm shaft, which is a common standard size for router bits in the EU. I quite like it, and the manufacturer of it is Fraiser. So I had a look at their website and found some other bits for the CNC router that seemed to be very promising. And they also have an affiliate program. So I contacted them and asked for a few router bits. And in exchange for this video, they sent them to me. So yes, this was a sponsored video. Instead of a project, I first wanted to push the bits and my CNC machine to the limit. Also, I wanted to have cutting data that were made on my machine. For the future, that means I never have to guess what cut settings I need to use. I can just look them up. And that's what I did in this video.
Thanks again to Fraiser for supporting this video and making the giveaway possible.
Download link for my Excel spreadsheet with cutting data:
1drv.ms/x/s!Av...
you can download it, or you can also directly use online
Link to the test program: 1drv.ms/u/s!Av...
Affiliate links for the router bits:
German links:
*Hobelfräser mit Wendeplatten: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralnutfräser positive Schneide: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralnutfräser negative Schneide: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralnutfräser wechselseitig (Kompression/ Nesting): www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralnut-Schruppfräser: www.fraisertoo...
*Konischer Spiralkugelfräser: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiralkugelfräser: www.fraisertoo...
*Fräser Set: www.fraisertoo...
English links:
*Spoilboard Surfacing Cutter: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiral Upcut bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiral Downcut bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Compression/ Nesting bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiral Upcut roughing bits (with chip breaker): www.fraisertoo...
*Conical Spiral Upcut ballnose bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Spiral Upcut ball nose bits: www.fraisertoo...
*Bit set: www.fraisertoo...
Second giveaway hint: What is your project that you want to use the router bit for?
Enjoy the video!
Does anyone else wish they were as focused as Marius? Every video I see of him gives me a little personality crisis...
The giveaway is over. I've randomly picked three winners. The winners are: Fran Maric, Michael Benthack and Lap Joint. I've replied to your comments.
#Fraiser
Great video, these bits would work great in my router table for box joints, thanks for the spreadsheet. That looks like a lot of work, very much appreciated.
Fraiser bits, nice German name, like mine last 2 letters ending in "er" If I had a CNC machine I would use them to duplicate small projects to give away to friends and family :-) But, they would work great with my router table too! Love all your videos, and your English is wonderful! I wish my German was as good as your English!
Not commenting for the give away, just because your content deserves to be bumped up by the YT algorithm. Thanks!
You convinced me, I'll seriously consider to get a few of them :-)
#Fraiser Ich würde gerne mit meiner kleinen Bosch Oberfräse (so tolle Maschinen wie du hab ich leider nicht) eine Uhr fräsen, vom Design her bevorzugt etwas in Richtung Harry Potter und ich glaube, da würde so ein hochwertiger Spiralnutfräser wirklich einen Unterschied machen.
#Fraiser
I will use the bits to make a CNC with my CNC, it needs an upgrade :D
#Fraiser
I would 💙💛 to see how those 💎🌈💎 bits spin in my brand new CNC! I'm super pumped have a list of projects to start. I think I'm going to start with an actual MFT-style work table. Thanks for the chance to win one!
very good comparative analysis on speed and material consumption. thank you. these are really cool bits. and the cuts looked great.
#Fraiser I would definitely make some mortises and tenons for a nice chair with my #MariusHornberger samurai router jig. Also looking forward to having my own CNC hopefully soon and utilizing your spreadsheet!
#Fraiser
Vielen Dank für die coolen Videos. Ich nutze neben einer kleinen CNC Fräse die Shaper Origin u.a. für Skulpturen mit großen Buchstaben. Beispiel siehe www.mitanderenaugen.com/07/20_Ton/20_Skulpturen/85_Kunst_Klima/index.php anlässlich des 20. Kunstweges im Kreis Bergstraße.
This was a ton of work and I thank you so much, that you did this and provide the data for us!!!
I think I will try the router bits for one of the next projects.
#Fraiser I don't have a CNC cutter, however my router accepts the 8 mm shaft. One of the bits would be great for cutting deep slots. (The video really summarizes how much work went into producing the spreadsheet. Maybe you can do a part 2 with a harder wood. You might even hit the maximum power of the spindle with the cutting bits.)
I don't have a CNC so I am not entering for the giveaway but I am thoroughly impressed by all the work that went into this video and I also appreciate all your other videos, Marius! So I am leaving a comment because I feel a thumbs up is just not enough!
Amazing video Marius! I can't imagine how much time and effort you put into collecting all that data. I have an MPCNC that I'm still struggling with determining speeds and feeds. My 500W spindle definitely has less power than your machine and the stiffness is orders of magnitude less so I am really limited. I'd love to have a small diameter #Frasier bit for continuing on my journey but I don't know what I could make with it. Thank you for all your hard work and this give away. I like all your videos and really enjoy the ones that include your CNC router.
#Fraiser
I want to try non-aliexpress bits in my cnc, I would love to know how good they cut in soft wood like cedar which I make personalized signs with for outdoor use.
Great video! Enjoyed all of the data review as well. I always look forward to your videos as they have lots of amazing information. Best of luck on the give-a-way!
Thanks for great videos!
I have the fraiser flattening bit, and really likes it. Now I can use your cutting data to improve the speed of my cutting
I would have use for the spiral bits for my bass guitar builds.
#Fraiser I just finished building my home-made CNC, so this is timely. I would like to do inlays in some jewelry boxes.
Zoom. ENHANCE! lol
7:22
That means, you cut 0,2mm wide and 35mm deap?
0,4mm stepover was also possible (that's in the spreadsheet)
It’s interesting that they make solid carbide diamond coated bits for routers. Usually machinists use solid carbide endmills because you can run them 2 to 4 times faster than you can for high speed steel. They are also the best thing to use if you have to cut something hardened. The only issue with carbide is that you can actually run them too slow, and any slight variations in feed rate or sudden movements means chipping the teeth right off. Because they are solid carbide you can probably get away with 10,000RPM 2500mm per minute for soft wood, and 7,500RPM 1900mm per minute for hard woods.
#Fraiser Love your videos! I have been following you for 5 years now since you got your new table saw not so new now... I would use the router bits for a CNC I'm getting soon as I'm developing wooden Electric Bikes and it would be much quicker and easier to use a CNC to make the frame. I will have a video out of the Bike I have made very soon! Thanks for the time and effort of your work!
#Fraiser
I want to build a MPCNC next year and to have some quality bits and with the excellent information you have provided in this video I have a great start to my CNC making journey.
450meter a minute ? should be mm or cm. i probably say something everyone already mentioned though. but great videos and great projects !! superb work !
working on SCM M100 machine center:
the smaller diameter you need slower rpm for bigger you need faster rpm drilling bits have different speed requirements than milling bits in my experience of tests i decided to use my own formula for example : drilling 5 mm bit 300x5 = 1,500 rpm for milling 8 mm 8 x 1200 =9,600 you can go up based on wood hardness or slower this based on CNC i m working on there is based on my experience and tools lasted longer with these numbers if any one knows the actual scientific formula to calculate RPM please let me know
I will not participate in the giveaway as I don't have a need for wood routerbits but still watched the whole video.
Stiffness is the limiting factor in most cases, the way the spindle is mounted at you machine really isn't great. I remember talking to my supervisor at work when we ran into issues with our CNC when he said "How can there be flexing? This is 15mm aluminium!" and I replied "Yes, this is only 15mm aluminium..."
#Fraiser As I don't have a routerbit that I can plunge with, winning would be great. I want to build a chair with mortise and tennon joints, but I can't cut mortises yet.
#Fraiser
I would use the router bits for every project with my CNC, for example upgrading the Y-axis.
#Fraser, I'm building a 2-plane inverted jointer that allows for both the flattening of and setting angle of intersection for slabs on two axis simultaneously.
Marius, I could kiss you! I've been waiting for someone to do a review of those Boss Beaver Bits in English (UA-cam's subtitles being what they are: "In corking, these bots tour [applause]"); as magical as they sounded, I wanted to really be able to comprehend what I was hearing. The fact that it comes from a maker I admire and whose skills I trust, well, frankly more than my OWN, even, was all I needed to hear. I'm placing an order as soon as I'm done writing this.
*HEY FRASER! HEAR THAT? Good call on sponsoring this video. It's been up for 7 hours and it's already bagged you a couple sales!*
great video , first time people without experience dont realise the heat has to be in the chip at least with flood coolent you have a chance with light feed rates because of poor spindle HP, there are to many very light duty machines on EBAY that should only be 3D printers, spindle HP and rigiditly are EVERYTHING
#Fraiser
I will use them to finish my multi wood mosaic table.
If you would like, I can provide some extra data points for your spreadsheet with a 2.2kW electro spindle on a machine that is a little stiffer.
#FrasierMyRouterTable
like you for an interesting review of such a beautiful good useful technique
#Fraiser
I would use the bits on my cnc router to shape some foam for lost foam casting.
#Fraiser
Hi Marius
First: the Tools are looking really good! I think they should get a chance in my DIY router!
Second: I like, how you setup this giveaway Contest. Not only „would be great to win this tool“ or something similar!
Third: my project: I want to do a led sign of my Little son for my wife!
And for me it would be interesting, what type of tool would be better! My Bosch wood tools or yours! 😉
Great Content! 👍🏻
#Fraiser I have a slab/cookie that has been drying for quite a while. While I have been working on it with a hand plane to surface the top, it is incredibly hard to get that end-grain cut well. It is also Oak, so my plane has been needing a good resharpening every few minutes. If I had some sort of good surfacing bit, I would be able to make short work of the surfacing and move on to adding legs and finishing this huge table. And for making sure it is level, I plan on using your method of a router sled for surfacing large slabs. If I dont get picked, I will probably still end up getting these Fraiser bits since you were able to give such a detailed table for best results lol. Keep up the great work, Marius! Much Love and Merry Christmas!
I dont own an cnc, probably never will, yet watched every minute of the video..
#Fraiser
I don't have a specific project, but I'd like to try them in my pantorouter. And my router table. And my trim router. Especially that roughing bit. I've seen similar roughing bits made for metal mills.
Hi, Would it be possible to get your gcode program? I've just started using my home made cnc. 600x800mm. I would like to find the best settings for my machine. My 500w spindle runs tops out at 12000 rpm. I'm currently tweaking my plans in fusion360 for a little lending library. The router took about 3 months to build and is a retirement present for myself.
#Fraiser I have a Pantorouter XL and love making Joinery with it, but only own a single 10mm Bit for it. Good bits are somewhat expensive so having another one to make finer joinery would be very nice :)
For the spindle stiffness I would not look into the mounting, that looks perfectly fine, but in the bearing arrangement. In the 3D model AMB provides, you can see the bearings probably are a set of 6002 type ball bearings, held in place with a circlip on the outside. For the inside I guess the two bearings are compressed with the motor shaft, presumably from the far side. This bearing arrangement has it's limits in precision (play).
Angular contact bearings would be great, and they are even available in the same size: search for B7002-C-T-P4S. The trick with angular contact bearings is they come in sets, that pair to have a certain preload. There's a lot to find out if it could work in this situation, but I'm sure it would be a great improvement to the standard 6 euro bearings. Let me know, would be interesting to help.
There's another way to improve bearing play and stiffness: shimming. I would suggest to shim in between the inner rings of the two 6002 bearings. Probably a few hundredths of a millimeter is needed. There are shim rings available, or you could cut them from thin sheet metal foil.
#Fraiser
I'm sick and tired of doing my cnc projects with cheap bits, very frustrating as a lot of hobbiest here definitly know. Already switched my spindle to a makita 701. The only thing missing are better bits. Upcoming project is making a roadsign to promote the new business of my wife (So she would also appreciate the new bits from Fraiser). ;-)
#Fraiser Lost my job during COVID-19, so i just bought a CNC to start up my own business making signs, furniture and cutting boards. These bits would go a long way to produce quality products. Great content as always Marius!
#Fraiser i don't have a cnc but i have been considering building a pantorouter and these bits would definitely come in handy. also, thanks for doing the work on optimum settings. not sure if i would have had the patience for that...lol. great video too!
#Fraiser I have a few projects in mind one being a folding stool. But more than likely I will use it with my students on their projects :)
Love the Outtake :D Classic!
Happy Christmas
Frohe Weihnachten
#Fraiser Right now i'm building my second CNC, first one was a MPCNC, now im building a VF1, this would be the perfect bits to build my logo and a clock
And damn, you put a lot of work into this! Perfect!
#Fraiser
I do a lot of milling with my half DIY CNC for the telescopes I build as a hobby. The bits would help me a lot to improve in terms of accuracy and surface quality.
#Fraiser
Hi Marius!
I'd like to use the bits a lot with copying templates for example handle cutouts in boxes.
Of course, that is hand held, no CNC here.
Greetings from Dortmund, have a nice Christmas!
#Fraiser
I'm building a robot at home (adult human-sized) and I'm mostly 3D printing components right now. I recently bought a Shapeoko and have only two cutters; eventually as I work on the control algorithms, the structure will need more stiffness than plastic can provide and I'll need cutters as I chew through aluminum
#Fraiser I am currently building a CNC which I designed myself and I would love to have a really good bit for comparison. I do not have any projects planned with the CNC at the moment, but it will see plenty of use for sure. As with my 3D Printer, the projects will start to pile up once I finish the CNC :)
#Frasier Eventually I hope to use the bits in a YetiTools CNC (which incidentally also uses a 1000W Mafell router) but until that time they would do good work in my trusty old OF 1400.
You made something really useful for many people, kudos to you
As for 6mm vs 8mm I found the same thing when milling metal on my small-ish mill. For deep cuts, you should use the smallest endmill you can get away with in regard to deflection. My mill will do steel with 4mm and 6mm, 8mm is seriously pushing it and 10mm is completely unusable. I optimistically bought 50mm facemill hoping to use it on aluminum but no joy... it chatters like crazy even in plastic.
#fraiser i am currently building my first live Edge oak dining table. I think these router Bits would be very helpful for cutting the c-Channels. So please send them my way 😊
And also cool Spreadsheet i think a lot of us Hobby woodworkers can make Good use of that.
As always nice video. Very cool chipflying shoots.
#Fraiser I want to build the Volksfräse from Uncle Phil here on youtube. With that tool i want to build an Fairytale Bed for my daughter.
#Fraiser
This would help me with Steampunk clock bezels - new design i am working on .
Great information shows what is really possible.. I think i always cut too conservatively.
Thank you.
#Fraiser I'd be using these bits to cut plastics for making insulators for my High Voltage projects :-D
Wow, talk about money well spent for the bit manufacturer to give you bits and get such great data! I'm definitely going to get some when my stock of bits is depleted... but my CNC spindle only has a ER11 collet so only up to a 6mm shaft diameter bit. Thanks again for the info and inspiration!
Very new to the CNC game ,very expensive ,don't have very many bits. Would come in very useful. Thanks great demonstration.
#Fraiser I have a brand new CNC router and so many projects! New MFT table top, MDF Spoilerboard, custom tools and jigs - such a long list of parts and cuts!
#Fraiser I would use the bit in my ooznest workbee for some upcoming projects, like small wooden toys for my newborn girl. I think these bits and your excel sheet would help me to get my projects done faster and have more time with my little princess.
I like your good work for the community. Your videos are always loaded with information and done very professional. And i like your humor it's fun to watch your videos ;-). Keep on doing.
#Fraiser
I would love to use these on my CNC
I would use them for making my house signs and all the little projects that I like to do.
on a side note. This was a really well put together video and the Excel list will help many people for sure (myself included)
Thank you so much. I recently bought a cnc router and similar coated Amana bit. I wonder how they compare. Plus, I just got one. A variety would be fantastic.
One of the markets I want to enter is accessibility, making things easier for folks that have disabilities. I'll start with things to assist both student and therapists in schools and homes.
Then I'm also looking at the bike market. They are so very popular at the moment. I can several things to make.
If successful, then i could upgrade to a beefier cnc router, lol.
Thanks for the great info - cheers
#Fraiser
I have a few really cheap router bits, a upgrade will be nice
I just gonna start with a Workplace, so I had much to build in that.
btw. absolutley nice again to watch. maybe sometimes a liitle bit too fast speaking, if you're not speaking english every day. Anyway. Nice Again to watch!
Amazing information. Do you have your GCodes hosted anywhere like Github? I am trying to learn EdingCNC.
Thanks so much for the data, Marius, I really appreciate the effort.
#Fraiser I’d use it with Samurai style jig for cutting mortices. Next project is to finally built some nice stiff workbench.
Thanks for the video. I feel fed with feedrate information.
#Fraiser
I'm waiting for a CNC very soon, and I'm planning to make small projects for my friends, especially carvings drawings.
#Fraiser
I'm building a Tiny Little Library (basically a box that holds books where anyone in the neighborhood can take and/or leave a book) for a friend, and could really use some good router bits. I'm currently using some cheap Chinese router bits, and they just don't have the accuracy I need for making good dadoes and mortise and tenon joints.
#Fraiser I'm gathering courage to start a PrintNC build, this would definitely come in to good use once it's done and I'd probably give it a go on my Makita RT0701 before that too.
#Fraiser I’d build a truss system out of plywood 🤓🤓
# FRAISER, I have bought and used their router bits before and I have just bought myself the surface cutter bit. I know it will work as good as my two other bits.
Hi Marius =)
#Fraiser
I want to build a new bed for my daughter, and I have new router but cheap bits for the moment. :)
I started motaise and tenon.
Good luck for the cleaning :P
#Fraser
I would use the bit in my upcoming kitchen renovation. Also been looking for good surfacing bit for some oak slabs.
Thank You Marius for great video and shearing all that info work!!
#Fraiser I just finished a homemade 3D printed CNC - a heavily modified TopsCNC...literally today. It took me 8 months. I'd love to try out some different bits to see what the limits are of my new baby.
#Fraiser
15cm thick hardwood bed frame posts with complex geometry carved out, only possible with long, strong cutting bits. These seem to be up to the task!
#Fraiser I will use the bits in my next project using an xCarve to make children’s toys for my nephews upcoming birthday
#Fraiser
Planning on making some cupboards for a new kitchen, these bits looks like they would do well for most wood applications!
Always enjoy the videos!
#Fraiser
I am in the middle of designing and building my own diy cnc which I want to use for milling, but also plotting and laser cutting.
One unrelated question: what excel feature do you use for the filtering the data?
Thanks for the great work!
#Fraiser
I would love to use this bits for guitar building.
#Fraiser
I would like to build some cabinets for my own shop, and i need an upgrade for my router/router table to cut grooves, and maybe Mortise/tennons. More projects planned ^^
#Fraiser I just finished building my own CNC machine and so far only got bits with a small cutting length, so those bits would be perfect for making projects out of thicker material.
As always great video and thanks for investing that much time to gather all of these data points and making them available to us for totally free.
#Fraiser
I would you them to make custom raiser shelf for my 32inch monitor and other accessories to organize my giant and crowded table. Roughing bit would be nice to remove material to make it lighter and also for aesthetic purposis. Also would like to try it with router as I never thought of that before watching this video, blew my mind.
Mahalo Marius for your hard work.. I used diamond coated cutters at Boeing but am excited to see them available for home use. Though now I consider 3mm a big cutter. I will see if Fraiser offers them here in the US.
#Fraiser
I'm making a sofa table for my mum. I've been drying some beautiful birch planks, and I'd need good router bits for my overhand router for the joinery.
#Fraiser
I will use the bit to create my diy touch probe sensor and, when that is done I will use it to create house sign and various shop upgrades (magport dust connector, etc)
Vary informative and well thought out video with great information! Very useful! Perhaps you could do a video on which spindle is the best (if there is any difference) and why you need 4 spindles?
#Fraiser
I would make some birthday presents for my family and upgrade parts for my DIY CNC :)
I understand the testing you made, recording max speed without chatter. From steel machining, there is a called "economic" speed that is being used, meaning that overall life of tool insert is bigger with that speed, reducing overall cost.
So called economic speed is lower than max speed you are mentioning.
Marius very well done video for your machine, I am curious if you do the same type of experiment where you ONLY do conventional cutting or climb cutting. I have noticed that where the bit is cutting in the same direction of the rotation of the spindle makes the edge more jagged if your feed is fast, smooth if your feed is rather slow. Chatter, one would expect at climb cut where the cut is going against the direction of the spindle.
#Fraiser Just finished my CNC-Router Prototyp a few Weeks ago, Will use the Routerbits for the Final one.
Makes sense that the high RPM low feedrate generates more power consumption, because for the same amount of material removed the cutter has to make many more cuts.
And breaking up molecular bonds between the fibers of the wood is alot harder than throwing the resulting chips off to the side.
Also small chips don't clear as efficiently.
#Fraiser
Just resently bought a new vfd spindle to replace old original kress 1050fme on my DIY cnc, so it would be nice to try new bits too
#Fraiser Great details. I need more science (not guessing) behind determining my speeds and feeds! I'd love one of these bits for the cutting boards I am making. Love your work - thanks for sharing!
#Fraiser
I haven't got a CNC yet but I'm really hoping to get one in the New Year. I've 2 God children who were born this year and I'd love to make plaques for them.
#Fraiser interesting to see the chips. I’ve historically only gotten dust, so I must have my feeds and speeds wrong. Or just bad tooling. I’d like to make some of my projects again with better tools to see if I could be more aggressive.
#Frasier
I used to tell my dad that he needs better bits for his CNC, but this video has convinced me that I need to just buy some for him. He mills Corian scrap to make things like switch and outlet covers, drawer pulls, etc. His cheap straight bits chatter like hell, and there is basically no chip ejection.
Cool i was happy with the flattening bit, maby ill get something to make a bowl out of the Mahogani i bought before all the shops closed over here. :D So i would be able to cut this at 395 m/min conventional or should i slow down for this type of wood :P
#frasier. Like someone else below, I am a guitar maker and will use them for body caverties. Thanks for all your videos, they are a great help. I will make good use of the spreadsheet.
Mitch
Very informative thanks for sharing.
Cheddar?
#Fraiser
They would be more then usefull to finisch my spring powered crossbow :)
3D model is finished so far, just need to get my router up to speed again :)