Why the Emptiness in Borderlines, Narcissists? (Introjection Failure and Compulsive Introjection)

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  • @YogidancingBear
    @YogidancingBear 3 місяці тому +11

    I had a ex girlfriend harassing me for the last year after i left. Over the last couple months, I have been taking in all of this work and on Sunday she called using blocked numbers and I answered and I was able to verbalize all of prof Sams work to her in a way that was undoubtedly on point. After so many years, I got her to actually admit that she knew she had this personality disorder, and she told me it was a super power, allowing her to become a millionaire. I calmly and with no narcissistic supply told her you know I can’t be with you I know all this information. Do you know this is never gonna work for you now and I think she’s finally gone forever. I can cry with how thankful I am that I found this channel and this has changed my life forever.

  • @maryvera123
    @maryvera123 7 місяців тому +43

    Your explanation about how the narcissist is stuck emotionally at a
    very early age explains a lot and makes sense now. The narcissist
    I was dealing with was really a toddler.

  • @probrickieexclusive
    @probrickieexclusive 7 місяців тому +96

    To many UA-cam presenters are describing Narcissist's based on any and every sin. It's is very shallow. Thank you for your work.

  • @barry_g8443
    @barry_g8443 6 місяців тому +23

    Last night a professor saved my life...he has already saved me a fortune in shrink fees. Thank you, Professor Sam.

  • @michele4040
    @michele4040 6 місяців тому +23

    I wish i could just start over.

    • @osage2139
      @osage2139 6 місяців тому +3

      You can, any of us can in many different ways. Hope things get better for you.

    • @BL-sd2qw
      @BL-sd2qw 5 місяців тому +5

      Me too 😭🫂 I wish I could get back all they took from me

  • @LilHaven33
    @LilHaven33 7 місяців тому +42

    Hi Sam, I discovered your written material online over 10 years ago and the realisations it gifted me saved my life. I read your essays again and again, until my understanding of NPD behaviour became instinctive and I found the strength to escape.
    How wonderful to see the name Prof. Sam Vaknin on Talk TV today, all these years later, shedding much-needed light on the unfathomable psychology of the warmonger.
    I’m just here to say, thank you for the life-saving information you share and congratulations on your inspiring and hugely impactful career.

  • @mshiker
    @mshiker 6 місяців тому +19

    I have felt this odd emptiness in me my whole life. I learned now that this can be caused by my abusive childhood;
    I was raised by a pathological narc father and an his enabler as a mom. What is childhood without safe parenthood?
    I became selfsufficient. Always coping by myself from the early childhood years and codependent adult and choose wrong life partners.
    I felt that there was something wrong in me (as I was never loved) and was so happy if somebody flattered me and said he loved me. I would do absolutely everything for him not to be alone again.
    I never learned as a kid what love is. This was the emptiness in me. There was not love invested me as a child. I didn't know how to love myself and therefore let those abusive relationships to continue.
    Emptiness is still there but doesn't feel so crushing anymore. I understand it. It's my inner child who raises her head now and then. I have done a lot of work with myself. My parents were not perfect but then: whose are? Every generation carries some (toxic) behavioral patterns of the previous generations to their adult life. Then there are the expectations of the others..society, relatives, working life etc. You are never alone in your relationship.
    My life has been living according to given roles. Nobody never asked what I really wanted and I never question myself if I was living a life good for myself..my personality.
    The saddest thing is that I lost tens of years living with abusive persons not realizing that I have myself chosen them on the basis of my history. Looking at the mirror was too painful..so was growing as a person but it was worth it.

    • @curlitek
      @curlitek 2 місяці тому +1

      You are doing a great work ❤

  • @48nature
    @48nature 7 місяців тому +8

    Wow...I had to watch this in bits vs. all at once. It's a lot of incredible information to process. Makes total sense, and I appreciate the education very much. Thank you.

  • @joelklein3720
    @joelklein3720 7 місяців тому +97

    What happens during the first 1-2 years of the baby's life when the mother goes back to work after the first few weeks of their life and the mother is replaced by a caregiver, a paid worker; someone whose paid job it is to be a surrogate mother? How does that affect the baby's ability to successfully replace the mother (the paid surrogate) with real people? Have we created an entire generation of people who are not separating in a healthy and meaningful way, and becoming narcissistic, because of the trauma of having no real loving mother for the first few years of their lives? I know this video is not meant to address this relatively new cultural phenomenon, but I would like to see it addressed in a future video especially because of its potential impact on our society.

    • @Arronrod
      @Arronrod 7 місяців тому +25

      From what I understand “mother” in this context is a role not the literal mother. As long as the primary caregiver (grandmother, nanny, father, aunt, daycare worker) is stable and consistent, then that becomes the “mother” figure in this context. (AKA the “good enough” mother) He’s covered it in other videos. Also not everyone raised without a stable infant caregiver will inevitably end up in cluster B, it’s believed to be a genetic or neurological predisposition plus environment. This is why even if the biological mother is the primary caregiver but is mentally or physically checked out (disabled, depressed, mean, etc) these maladaptive compensations can still present.

    • @HeyBloss
      @HeyBloss 7 місяців тому +14

      I believe this. I thought my baby sister was my actual mom for the first few years of my life

    • @lunastargoddess1632
      @lunastargoddess1632 7 місяців тому

      Well men are dictating how the world is run, women grossly underpaid and bad healthcare for the Mother as well, imagine growing a human in your body for almost a year and then the horrific delivery where she could die, then healing, the massive amount of hormones to grow the baby all haywire, up all night caring for it then pressured to perform for baby, husband, work, society, its no wonder women are now no longer so keen to have a family. In 30 years world population will have decreased dramatically as AI will be teaching children and mass unemployment, there will be on point in having children when there's absolutely no future.

    • @Ravenafeedsravens
      @Ravenafeedsravens 7 місяців тому +5

      I would appreciate a video by Prof. Sam Vaknin on this topic. In a society, where a woman should be "productive", I guess, your questions are unwelcome. To my knowledge, and I'm not a psychologist, it's detrimental to separate mother and child before the child turns 3 months. The child should be physically as close as possible to his mother during this crucial period of time. My sources are German.

    • @amberinthemist7912
      @amberinthemist7912 7 місяців тому

      Put this into Google and you can read the mountains of research supporting that daycare is the same as or better than care at home. You can stop trying to pin all the world's problems on women working and not being trapped into slavery by men.

  • @L.O-p5r
    @L.O-p5r 7 місяців тому +129

    My mother told me many times while growing up that she would kill me. I had to shut down, i had to repress myself and i think i began to be borderline. I began to self hurt as a response to her mistreatment. I felt empty and had extreme anxiety. Being me, having an ego meant betrayal to my mother and the death of myself😢. I am 25 and i dont know how to break this fear.

    • @user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap
      @user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap 7 місяців тому +36

      Oh my dear, this is horrible 😢
      My "mother" is a narcissist too.
      What I'm doing? I write diary. I am drawing pictures. I asked me: what I need? I need calm, freedom, inner peace. How looks my inner peace?
      I was often crying in last months. But I feel better and better.
      Look what is inside of you. Longing, desire...I like the beautiful things in my life.
      I find myself, when I'm drawing pictures. Now I'm an artist.
      It's a long way...how many years she did abuse you? (My "mother" more than 60 yeras)

    • @user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap
      @user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap 7 місяців тому +28

      I said to myself: I don't want this mother. It's a boundary

    • @l.c838
      @l.c838 7 місяців тому +24

      Please go and seek some help, if you haven’t already, with a good therapist. You deserve to be happy. Narcissists are monsters!

    • @neurodeviant
      @neurodeviant 7 місяців тому +25

      I mentally buried her because it was her or me. I mourned the good enough mother I did not have, and now every time I look at my mother, I am reminded of the person she failed to be and the disappointment she is. I see her for the farce she is, but it took me a long time to get here, a lot of boundary setting, and a commitment to honor myself.

    • @whygohome172
      @whygohome172 7 місяців тому +17

      You are trauma bonded and need a therapist who is familiar with narcissistic abuse. You CAN break the trauma bond but it takes work. You can do it!

  • @alexandria321
    @alexandria321 7 місяців тому +5

    So this is why I read Dostoevsky, Sartre, Camus, and Nietzsche, and listen to Stravinsky.
    Thank you for the insight, Professor Vaknin.

  • @metasoteria8966
    @metasoteria8966 7 місяців тому +16

    Keep up the world-class work. As you know, you are helping many people understand reality and thus "feel better." Humble thanks.

  • @finalthoughts2762
    @finalthoughts2762 7 місяців тому +26

    "We Are emptiness when we are born. We fullfill it with Self and with relationships."

    • @Ottobnej
      @Ottobnej 6 місяців тому +5

      But we are born with natural Talents, predilictions, tendencies, personality traits, more or less amounts of intelligence.... Or on the other side, brain injuries, schizophrenia, manic depressive illness, etc. Not at all empty

    • @cherieadams77
      @cherieadams77 3 місяці тому

      Only Jesus can fill the void that is inside every person. It is a God shaped void. Jesus is the Only Way, the Truth and the Life🙏

    • @xoukosisonearth3931
      @xoukosisonearth3931 Місяць тому +1

      It's not empty, "archetypes" manufacture the psychic making a template before birth (collective unconscious)

    • @Lgaard1
      @Lgaard1 8 днів тому

      ​@@xoukosisonearth3931Sure. I believe 'archetypes' (in Jungian terms) is somewhat similar to what Sam called 'cloud of potential'.

  • @kosmos229
    @kosmos229 Місяць тому

    I loved this specific video. So explicit! Thank you.

  • @livelystones7773
    @livelystones7773 6 місяців тому +6

    I promise Dr Vaknin, if you did a case study on me and my family, you might become thrilled beyond belief. This is not just theory. It’s reality.

  • @livelystones7773
    @livelystones7773 6 місяців тому +11

    To me this also explains hoarding disorder and maybe even Binge eating disorder to some extent. When this is overlayed onto those disorders then they are both symptomatic of trying to fill the empty void, with objects or food both inanimate that you can project positive feelings onto, . Interesting

  • @Ravenafeedsravens
    @Ravenafeedsravens 7 місяців тому +5

    Dear Professor Vaknin, what an informative lecture. I have been listening to you during my pregnancy and after birth, so my baby knows your voice. 😂 You are talking a lot about psychological child development, veeery useful information for me as a mother. This was another great lecture, I am very grateful. Dankeschön.

  • @cindywall6733
    @cindywall6733 7 місяців тому +36

    I love your work!
    Can you do a video about deadbeat dads? Secret “breeding” kink, walking away. It’s hard to wrap a mind around.

    • @tugnormoustuglicous1303
      @tugnormoustuglicous1303 7 місяців тому +13

      I'm guessing about power n control. Thats the ultimate form of control of someone else than having their baby is my guess

  • @taniasmile8231
    @taniasmile8231 7 місяців тому +5

    Спасибо, Sam! Это большое счастье слушать вас.

  • @ΣωτήρηςΚαρανάσιος-ι1τ
    @ΣωτήρηςΚαρανάσιος-ι1τ 7 місяців тому +5

    Great video! I would love to watch a video where you explain the psychology behind machiavellian personality since this dark personality isn't as well explained as the other dark tetrad personalities.

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +3

      Search the channel for "dark".

  • @osage2139
    @osage2139 6 місяців тому +3

    Years ago, I read a very good book called I’ll Fly Away by Wally Lamb. The liner notes said Lamb was teaching a writers workshop at a maximum security prison for women and was asked to do this because of the alarming rate of suicide in the prison. A startling fact of the 20 or so inmate writers is that they were all sexually abused. 😢

  • @minnowes
    @minnowes 6 місяців тому +2

    I've met many people who are like these babies that are deceiving themselves. There are people who are not well-adjusted whom I have encountered that have a relationship with me completely within their own mind. Because I know how to tell if a person is being authentic I've been able to call many people out on this during the dating process.

  • @deemaali5389
    @deemaali5389 4 місяці тому +6

    So if someone has comorbid npd and bpd , will they use both introject and external regulation?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  4 місяці тому +1

      No. The BPD is dominant.

  • @izabelacyrwus7534
    @izabelacyrwus7534 7 місяців тому +14

    How can I live with this emptiness? Am I dead already? 😞

  • @shahadatherin9885
    @shahadatherin9885 7 місяців тому +2

    You are the best teacher. From this lecture, I understand the concept of Object Constancy very well now, something I can't even fathom before this that I could ever perceive it sensically. Merci énormément !

  • @SlapAlice
    @SlapAlice 6 місяців тому +4

    In your professional opinion, do you think it’s ever possible for borderlines to learn how to self-regulate, or at least get better at it, or are we always going to find this nigh-on impossible?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  6 місяців тому

      search the BPD playlist.

  • @kelay626
    @kelay626 6 місяців тому +4

    I understand the borderline’s failure to maintain the introject is a defense mechanism due to the lack of safety offered by her external objects (abusive caregivers). Do you think perhaps the borderline, at 24mos - 36 mos, possessed inate empathy (insight into the external objects, their spiritual separateness, perhaps, wickedness) which the narcissist lacks? To protect herSelf, she detached internally from the external objects, therefore, gaining a self in the way the narcissist failed? Perhaps, once the borderline arrives at a safe external environment, she is free to reunite with the self that she was initially protecting?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  6 місяців тому +3

      All children start the same. There are no differences between children who become borderlines or narcissists, although in BPD, there seems to be a genetic component.

  • @laloussette
    @laloussette 6 місяців тому +3

    I've been listening to your videos since 3 months now, a few times a week : how come do I still feel like I am just as much borderline as I am narcissist.. ? thank you

  • @souperheromc
    @souperheromc 7 місяців тому +4

    Hey, Thanks for the great video.. I’d like to hear you talk about how pornography is leading us back into infancy.. causing us to interact with internal objects. I was just thinking about that when u said it

  •  7 місяців тому +8

    lack of love is the cause :(

  • @DilfuzaKHaydarova-e1p
    @DilfuzaKHaydarova-e1p 7 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much Dear Professor Sam Vaknin for interesting and useful video ❤

  • @cindyanderson9425
    @cindyanderson9425 7 місяців тому +3

    Excellence in explaining really what is going on for these different personalities from infancy development and lack thereof. It helps me to be able to have compassion for them, different than how I did before & better protect myself. It also clearly explains why they cannot change; any perceived change is just manipulation, and how life gets so far worse for them as they age. Thank you. I very much appreciate your work and willingness/ability to provide the facts.

    • @cindyanderson9425
      @cindyanderson9425 7 місяців тому +1

      @@karolinanie5946 I'm not versed on the research surrounding DBT. What I have become aware of is that different therapy models effectiveness varies depending on the patient. As for all of us, knowledge/awareness is one thing; implementation and lasting change is completely another.

  • @ShellieCordell
    @ShellieCordell 7 місяців тому +6

    Ha-ha… “It’s as simple as that,” he says. I seldom disagree with Dr. Vaknin, but I hardly think it simple. I listen, rewind, listen and repeat. lol
    Thanks for the great insight!

  • @dilfuzakhaydarova2859
    @dilfuzakhaydarova2859 7 місяців тому +1

    Very interesting and useful knowledge ❤ Thank you so much Dear Professor Sam Vaknin ❤

  • @bartkula1469
    @bartkula1469 7 місяців тому +2

    Thank you Prof Vaknin for explaining this complex mechanisms for us. While listening to you sometimes it makes me feel like physics and psychology are somehow interrelated e.g.
    the way in which you explain paradoxical phenomenons.

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +5

      They are.

    • @WHO_CARS
      @WHO_CARS 7 місяців тому

      @@samvakninmaybe AI someday will show us the laws. Would be interesting to see gravity or thermodynamics,etc.. of emotional states and everything we can’t see with our eyes..

  • @andrewmarshall1460
    @andrewmarshall1460 6 місяців тому +1

    OK, I think I've got it. Don't know why but has me curious about projection and how it relates and whether narcissist and borderline differ in how and to what extent they engage in projection. Narc object inconstancy=constant projection? Borderline..? And how this all relates to Jungian idea of Anima/Animus projection. Must study more!

  • @pitbullash
    @pitbullash 7 місяців тому +6

    2 weeks now ghosted by my BPD ex ! Im trying to forgot her ! Im battling everyday with my thoughts.....its not that easy but maybe its for the better. . .

  • @lyndiacurtis2065
    @lyndiacurtis2065 7 місяців тому +8

    Professor when the mother of the narcissist, serves the baby his physical needs only without any emotions, is that the main reason for narcissism to occur? Thank you for your video!

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +8

      Search the From Child to Narcissist playlist for videos on the "dead" mother.

  • @allanhyberg8012
    @allanhyberg8012 7 місяців тому +1

    Maybe a Borderline Personality inhibition (I think disorder is not the best word because personhood is not established) is a human as inside out, a mirror turned humanbeing !?

  • @JulieGottman-yh3of
    @JulieGottman-yh3of 7 місяців тому +3

    Does all you say about borderlines here apply to the covert borderline? I know in the past you’ve referred it it as a hybrid, sometimes a basket case. Would it be a case by case basis on if a covert borderline would be able to create introjects? Or are they just bad with both external and internal object organization?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +5

      They are unable to create stable introjects. Watch the covert borderline playlist.

  • @claremurray8104
    @claremurray8104 7 місяців тому +1

    Hi Sam, love your work and utubes, really appreciate having these lectures available.
    A question that arises for me is , if the Narcissist populates his/her mind with introjects how come they are not self sufficient and not in need of constant validation ?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +5

      It is compensatory. It is not real. It is constantly challenged by reality.

    • @claremurray8104
      @claremurray8104 7 місяців тому +2

      Ah, thank you for response

  • @sclose1970
    @sclose1970 7 місяців тому +4

    Do you have a book or video which addresses a solution or treatment path that addresses either condition? If not, do you have any recommendations as to where and how someone would find help with such conditions?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +3

      Watch the therapies playlist.

    • @sclose1970
      @sclose1970 7 місяців тому

      @@samvaknin Ok. Thanks! And thank you for doing these videos.

  • @asharajbhar1176
    @asharajbhar1176 7 місяців тому +3

    Are histrionics empty too?

  • @FM24A
    @FM24A 7 місяців тому +2

    Do you have a video that explains how to separate autism and BPD from each other? Both can rely on external validation, and many women are diagnosed with BPD, when the real or primary issue is autism.

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому

      Search the comorbidities playlist. People with ASD are misdiagnosed more often as having NPD or AsPD.

  • @sukiyakking9138
    @sukiyakking9138 7 місяців тому +2

    What is the difference between a borderline’s failure to introject and an As If’s failure to introject?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +5

      "As if personality" is an earlier, no longer used, name for BPD and NPD.

  • @lienezake3889
    @lienezake3889 7 місяців тому +1

    As parent who failed my child(she was exposed to childhood adverse experiences).I see a lot of signs in my 14year old for borderline personality resemblance.Is it too late to bring her to effective therapy?

    • @h.neubert8770
      @h.neubert8770 6 місяців тому +1

      No. Because you can’t be sure what it is. Getting her help is important, just make sure the support she gets is a good fit. Teenagerhood is a hard time regardless, so if you are in a position to support by getting neutral and qualified outside help, it can very well be a blessing

  • @sofp
    @sofp 7 місяців тому +2

    So if narcissism is a coping mechanism developed by a borderline, does this mean the borderline manage to reverse their inner functioning since you describe them borderline and narcissist like the inverse of each other (yet same traits)

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +3

      Search the BPD channel.

    • @sofp
      @sofp 7 місяців тому

      @@samvaknin Yes I listen to a lot of your video and try to make the link between one of your theories and this video. Which is the right video to study?

  • @MonsterCanCollector
    @MonsterCanCollector 7 місяців тому

    What about psychopaths? Do they have a void as well? If so, is it the same, or is it different?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +3

      No, they don't.

  • @christofstops4472
    @christofstops4472 7 місяців тому +3

    When can we expect a german translation of " Malignant Selflove Narcissism revisited"?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +5

      When a reputable German publisher will make an offer.

    • @AL-tq1or
      @AL-tq1or 7 місяців тому +1

      Ich habe mein Englisch durch Sam Vaknin Videos in 3 Jahren, durch Notizen, zu einem Grad verbessert, dass ich dieses Buch mit seiner Stimme und Rhytmus lese😅
      Im Heilungsprozess nebenbei seine Fähigkeiten in Englisch zu verbessern war super profitable Ablenkung.

  • @alenaadamkova5322
    @alenaadamkova5322 7 місяців тому +3

    Human brain loves drama, or drama combined with a humor....
    but its ok only in movies for entertainment or maybe creativve humor etc
    humor for some people isnt as creative if there are butterflies and birds and bunnies and kitties...
    it should be allowed only in movies...as we all think, but nobody wants it in real life.
    But some people forget there is a time to act appropriately with a respect.

  • @newchrisusa
    @newchrisusa 7 місяців тому +1

    How do we heal?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +1

      Watch the therapies playlist.

  • @danmeck5978
    @danmeck5978 7 місяців тому

    Do you have any videos on how a baby who is seperated at birth from its mother becomes a narcissist?
    My ex was never adopted and grew up in a childrens home where they describe it as Disney Land!

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +1

      Watch the From Child to Narcissist playlist.

  • @missn9602
    @missn9602 6 місяців тому +3

    Borderlines are mostly victims of narcissists, yet they are stigmatized and they surely are not empty shells, they have empathy and they seek help. Please stop mixing up everything and doing more damage to people struggling with BPD and PTSD, It doesn't help at all.

    • @davidweigandt9870
      @davidweigandt9870 4 місяці тому +2

      let me guess you are borderline and all of your exes are horrible absuvie bad people

  • @boriskaracic9856
    @boriskaracic9856 7 місяців тому

    If internalisation of the relationship with the father did not happen, because of absent father figure, what happens then, how is this manifested latter in life?

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  7 місяців тому +1

      Search the From Child to Narcissist playlist.

  • @doinitdolphinstyle
    @doinitdolphinstyle 7 місяців тому +2

    Legal help, Please
    Been asking a year. *Help me save my life*
    Narc father, violent rage, hate
    Helped ruin my 23yr biz, smear campaign, manipulated police so I had ZERO protection from physical attacks & death threats. Id supported that town & was #1 tech resource... soon as I needed help cops said I should leave town & wouldn't protect me. Ive been gone a year, hiding.
    I have a home I cannot visit- just found out county sheriff looking for me. If I go back Ill be locked up or murdered...
    My father needs me gone, to not exist. His tactics have now completely isolated me, no support, no family, no money, no Justice,... I can't hold on like this forever. I am losing hope... That's what he wants.
    I have no voice. Nothing I say or write gets thru to anyone.
    Art is 1st time in life I've found a way to communicate from my soul to another's. I've started posting rewritten songs on tiktok... But been scared to say too much @trasee_say