Jim Cornette on Stagger Lee, The Midnight Rider & Guys Returning Under Masks
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Anybody remember the MACHINES? Super machine= Bill Eadie aka masked superstar, Big machine = Blackjack Mulligan, Giant machine = ANDRE.
I remember them. I was a big fan of them.
horrible
That was never proven about andre
Don't forget the James Boys: Dusty Rhodes and Magnum T.A., the Texas Cowboys: Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson, the Executioner at the first Wrestlemania: "Playboy" Buddy Rose, and the Yellow Dog: Barry Windham.
Everyone says that Cable TV killed territorial wrestling, but I for one, who was in a "wrestling starved" area only being served by Mid South wrestling liked being able to see what was going on in Georgia, CWA, CWF, AWA, World Class--stuff I had only read about in wrestling magazines. Like a kid who only heard about punk rock in Rolling Stone magazine because all the radio stations in my area played country, I was curious, and once I found out, I wanted more. and there's lots of people like us. I only had my parents to thank for getting us cable TV because of it, we had the Score network (a secondary sports outlet in 1988 to ESPN) and I became a big fan of Memphis wrestling--I thought it was exciting! My high school friend who was a fellow wrestling fan was the biggest AWA fan in Oklahoma, thanks to ESPN. He actually went so far as to call AWA office to see if they could come to Oklahoma--I told him how the territorial system worked, they won't come as far south as Nebraska, but somehow he got a hold of a promoter who said he was interested. But you see, that's where it starts. Cable TV allowed people in different parts of the country to have their eyes opened to new things they might end up liking. You can't just assume that people in one territory are only going to like one kind of wrestling, just like you can't assume everyone in Oklahoma has to like country music. What if they might enjoy Punk Rock, if they never experienced it before? Which, by the way, we were one of the first areas to get MTV, and my eyes became open to a wider variety of music that I never experienced before, but that's another story. Variety never hurt anyone, and I'm sorry that it killed territorial wrestling, and if there was another way that it wouldn't have, I would welcome it, but I guess that was the price that had to be paid.
the best was "Charlie Brown From Outta Town"
"I know he's cool cause I met him in jail".
I really liked Dusty and Magnum as Frank and Jesse James.
Yes!! Boogie Woogie Valiant was fantastic in that role
😂😂😂😂
The Midnight Rider is LEGEND
It was a good thing, but as Corny said, they OVERdid it like hell.
When Rick Steiner did the ‘Dr. X’ angle, that was priceless. 😆
When Did Rick do "Dr. X"?
A lot people don’t remember how JYD losing came about! JYD was supposed to face Paul Orndorff for the NA title in a loser leaves Mid-South match for 90 days but Paul got injured and Ted Dibiase wanted to face JYD for the belt in a LLT match despite stipulation staying and Dibiase was a Babyface but he had a black glove on to protect an injury himself and Dibiase the face was helped in the ring by JYD and Dibiase loaded up his glove and knocked JYD out and Dog had to leave and Dibiase for the first time became a heel instantly so when Dibiase the next week saw Stagger Lee knowing it was JYD show great emotion when he went after Lee. It was a great and clever angle that made fans happy cause JYD was under a mask
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Dude, obviously you don't remember either because you got your shit all messed up.Nothing worse than someone acting like an expert and trying to tell people about something that they are completely clueless about themselves. First of all JYD won the NA championship from Bob Roop, who according to the storyline had sabotaged Orndorffs car to keep him from making it to a match against Dibiase for the title. Roop ended up beating DiBiase and was supposed to give DiBiase a rematch but JYD beat Roop in NOLA. Then JYD give DiBiase a shot on the TV telecast that resulted in the Heel turn. Second of all, The DiBiase heel turn that happened on TV was not a Loser Leave Town match. In fact DiBiase and JYD ran a whole angle of grudge matches afterwards that lasted in different forms for a couple of months. The LLT match was between Matt Bourne and Ted DiBiase (The Rat Pack) vs JYD and Mr Olympia on the T.V telecast, which was just a continuation of the JYD vs DiBiase Feud, and Duggan, the third member of the Rat Pack interfered in the guerilla suit and caused The Dog to take the fall who was then forced to leave town.... THEN came Stagger Lee who would eventually beat Ted for the title. There was also a whole 6 man tag team angle where Stagger Lee, Tony Atlas and Dusty Rhodes had some special guest matches with the The Rat Pack, before Matt Bourne was fired for beating the shit out of a fan in Monroe and blinding him.
Dude if you want to start telling people a story, make sure you know the story first, because that was some jacked up bullshit.
James gang and midnight express in 1986.
Cornette going crazy saying in was dusty and magnum ta.
And Italian Stallion and Sam Houston were the decoys...
@@jaythor70 tony zane
The midnight rider promo with magnum ta was the bomb
Jim was so right about The Last Stampede. That worked because Cornette was so HATED and because of the greatness of the Midnight Express!!!!! Go to wwe network and watch that match!!! Eaton and Condrey sold like a million bucks!!!!! It was a perfect match for what was needed!! It's really hard to catch lightning in a bottle twice.
Midnight Rider did not bomb with me--loved it (did not see the prior Florida angle). It sure helped having Willie Nelson get it over (unlike on the WWE network where generic music replaces the country classic).
It's unfortunate that WWE doesn't want to pay royalties and inserts either generic music or generic announcers.
The Florida version of the angle was fire bro. Nothing beats it.
I grew up in the Mid Atlantic area and had never seen the angle. I was a kid when it happened and I marked the hell out for the Midnight Rider.
@@DIESEL0759 its not just the network….. its why alot of very popular sitcoms and teen programing is out of syndication, streaming, and even purchased content. Programs like WKRP, Kid Video, etc got the music for very cheap back in the day when they were at their peak, now can’t afford to pay the royalties to keep the content in circulation, the network is no different
@@MrSheckstr Yes, music labels want to be PAID. I mean, thanks for inserting the obvious, but we're not talking about Kidd Video, which has ONLY original music and WKRP, which is on DVD. This conversation was about WRESTLING, not WKRP or Kidd Video. Just to let you know that this is about WRESTLING...in case you didn't know....
As soon as Dusty got suspended (as punishment for his attack on Tully), I knew right then and there that he would be back in a mask. And this was 30 years ago, WAY before story lines got leaked on the internet.
Ain't gonna let'em catch the Midnight Rider
I was glad to see a Crockett promo with Sullivan where said that he had to deal with Dusty in Florida as the Midnight Rider I believe JJ said something about it also I had never seen it before so it help to recognize that it had took place in Florida before
One thing that no one could deny is that Dos Diablos was the finest piece of horse flesh walking gods green earth
And now we have Question Mark.
BrokenSaintRW Josephus 🤣- June 2nd 2020
Anyone remember Dusty as Uvalde Slim in Georgia Championship Wrestling?
He did it in Florida too
7:12 kills me, especially cuz it popped Jim
the midnight rider horse story was funny... i wonder what jim thought about the penultimate episode of wcw nitro when dusty had ol' silver dollar the ass that ate 300 burritos, only then to have ric flair and jeff jarret's face rubbed on the spray painted behind of the donkey lol.
Anthony Bradley and a week later WCW was sold to the WWF 🤣- June 2nd 2020
Koko (Memphis)&/or Skip Young (Florida) Each as Sweet Brown Sugar ... Rocky Johnson as Sweet Ebony Diamond in Mid-Atlantic & Elsewhere
First time I ever saw this angle was Brody/Red River Jack in world class...not even the Sportatorium crowds would go along with it.
I remember Vince trying that with the Giant Machine and Andre, I believe that petered out pretty quick.
The Machines had an intended short shelf life…. It wasnt meant to do anything other than to cover for andre while filming for Princess Bride and for him to rest up for his iconic program with hogan at WM3
The WWF had the Machines. Everybody knew the Giant Machine was Andre the Giant.
Most knew who all of them were, it was pretty obvious werent it? Then it became a running joke.
Mr. R. with Tommy Rich and Brad Armstrong was classic, still love watch that match with Ted Dibiase.
WTF There's *no* evidence that the Midnight Rider, The Bullet and Stagger Lee were Dusty, Bob Armstrong and JYD. Not one shred, nope.
Didn't Hogan come back under a mask once? I didn't watch WWE back then, but I have a vague memory.
Mr. America 🇺🇸
The Austin Idol as the Black Pearl in Memphis was good too!!
Dusty was sitting with the NWA president during the tournament for the US title. The midnight rider was in that tournament. He was unmasked and it was the italian stallion. Lol
brody was red river jack, pretty good
That was the stuff that made wrestling great...we were all young and innocent back then
Boooy you can tell this was five years ago with quality of Jims mic, i bet Brian would hate the sound quality of these ones now 😂. Keep up the awesome content
Imagine getting fired from your job, only to go in the next day wearing a mask. Lol
most of the time that will get you arrested
Dutch Mantel did it in Memphis, when he came back as Texas Dirt.
I tried this once when I was fired from a job. It didn't work and I was arrested.
James Boys was fun
christopher daniels 'pulled it off' twice as both suicide and curry man.
And Slither from Exposed: pro wrestling secrets.
Curry man is a completely different character
Sweet Brown Sugar as Stagger Lee was the best. Jimmy Harts quest to unmask him was priceless.
JYD was Stagger Lee!!!
Anthony Turner in 1983 in Memphis stagger Lee was Sweet Brown Sugar.
Kevin Williams, there is only one Stagger Lee...JYD, the others are Fakes.
@@CT9905. Koko B Ware did it in Memphis
I love when a video for a topic is already made
The Cranby Street Routine = Katie Vick
Don’t forget Tommy Rich as “Mr. R” 😂
Eh...they did mention that.
Stagger is too close for comfort , baby
los diablos, the finest piece of haause flesh you've eva seeen.
Cyberpunks were over in Memphis
Jimmy Valiant ( Charlie Brown from outta town)
They all stole the idea from Mr. America. He passed a lie detector test on Smackdown to prove he wasn't Hulk Hogan.
I liked hulk hogan as Mr. America.
Rider disappeared as mysteriously as he arrived.
I remember when Brian Pillman was The Yellow Dog in WCW. I remember it also from the Apter magazines 8 or 9 years previous where it was Barry Windham. Except in WCW it was Barry trying to prove it was Pillman. I know it is over Cornette's 7 year life span rule, but there was another masked man return.
I remember the Yellow Dog also lol
Windham's Yellow Dog was GREAT ,but Pillman's sucked
@@anthonythompson9763 you have to remember, the Pillman Yellow Dog was during the Jim Herd era so that albatross was around the neck of that. WCW couldn't shoot straight if their lives depended on it.
@@Fnoel98356 that's why I said that it sucked. Barry had been created after Ron Bass embarrassed him and told Gordon Solie to tell "that yellow dog" if he wanted to get back the saddle to come look for him
What they need to do to get that pop more than once is to do it the normal way the first time. And then the second time get a nobody wrestler that literally no one expects or is familiar with and run a few months of him in the mask to the point that everyone is sure on who's under the mask. Dusty or whoever like that. Then when they are unmasked it turns out the whole time that the fans were wrong and that really wasn't the person they expected to be under the mask. Then in another month or so you bring in the ousted wrestler hero in some other fashion. Like wearing the same outfit as the masked nobody and when everyone now thinks it really is the nobody wrestler you reveal it's in fact your hero. Or have the hero appear with the gimmick mask outfit on and show up to aid the nobody when he's just been beaten to pulp and the hero shows up in the same exact outfit and reveals himself. Or it doesn't even have to be a shell game like angle. You can just lead the crowd into thinking their hero really is under the mask and just have him appear on day out of nowhere with no warning. Like coming from under the ring to aid the nobody. Point is you mislead the fans into believing 100% that they know who's under the mask because they've seen the original masked wrestler angle and know all about it and blah blah. Call it the bait and switch angle or the shell game angle.
Tommy Rich as a Mr. R
PG-13 as The Cyberpunks, Doug Gilbert as the Dark Patriot.
Andre the giant the machine
I Still Believe that Dustin or Cody Should Resurrect the Midnight Rider Character ... With a Twist for Today's Audience ...
hilarious horse story 😂
WWE has done it with Hogan as Mr America
Midnight Rider could be anybody and rumor is he's still out there
Is thst the show where Jim Cornette spend the whole show telling everybody that the mask wrestlers where Dustin Rhodes and Magnum PA cause that shit was funny i saw that episode some week's ago on UA-cam
Mr. America (just kidding)
I actually kind of liked the Mr. America gimmick. It led to some fun television with Hogan playing off Vince.
Uvalde Slim ?
Eric Bischoff was actually the very first heel authority figure in wrestling, Eric Bischoff joined the NWO several months before the mr. McMahon character debuted
well technically the NWO was suppose to be an organization separate of the WCW created with the intentions of invading and ultimately destroying WCW (odd huh?) part of that narrative over time did get lost but nevertheless, when Bischoff joined the NWO, he 'defected' from WCW to become one the leaders of essentially a rouge faction. however he still had ties to Turner Broadcasting which in turn kept him with some level of power. Then J.J. Dillon at that time was brought in to serve as an authority figure meant to represent WCW and fight off the NWO.
on the other hand Vince McMahon was still the 'sole' owner and promoter of the WWF by he time he became a full heel. he never 'abandoned' his promotion to join the 'opposition', he ruled his empire with the proverbial iron fist with virtually no other authority around to stop him until the role of commissioner was re-purposed for a second time as a way to keep vince in check. but most of this happened with Vince still owning the WWF/WWE as chairman.
in short, it may be sloppy, there is a lot of semantics to consider but Vince was the first heel authority of his own company.
Elems187 but there was no opposition, the NWO were essentially WCW employees, Bischoff went heel in late 96(a mere 2 months after the NWO formed), McMahon went heel a year later after him and Bret had their spat, so TECHNICALLY Bischoff was the first authority figure to turn heel
No Vince did in Memphis in either ‘93 or ‘94
Jacques Teddy Ruxpin Eric joined NWO in November 1996. The Mr. McMahon character didn’t debut until a year later in November 1997.- June 2nd 2020
@@SSUDMB77921 doesn’t count…. He was an invader, not an authority figure in USWA.
Didn't WWF put a mask on Big John Studd in the early 80s?
If it's what I'm thinking of, he and Bobby were trying to show that it was obvious that Andre was the Giant Machine. So they put Studd under a mask to make their point. Good stuff 👍
He was also under a mask as the executioner in the 70s
Jim is great at explaining wrestling psychology. Also a great storyteller.
Hogan as Mr America sucked
Tim Horner disliked this.
Too bad the horse didn’t sit on Horner
Bill Watts was a TERRIBLE Midnight Rider lol
Red river jack in WCCW
My favorite wrestler of all time? JYD!!! A close 2nd? Stagger Lee😂
This guy is full of nonsense if you ask a 10 year old who mowed lawns for money to go to see the Midnight Rider here in South Florida 💪🏽🇺🇸🙏
Add the ? in Billy Corgans NWA. RIP Jocephus aka ?
bruiser brody was red river jack
Tommy Wild Fire Rich
Mask Man Mr.R
Bombed with Watts
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dos Hombres , El Conquistadors
It's supposed to be as a result of a loser leaves town match not some angle
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