The new Fairlight CMI-30A - We visited SNAP Studios to take a look at it
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A short overview of some of the features available with the new Fairlight
Fascinating. If one sees video artifacts on a desktop, laptop or a flat screen that's undesirable and unpleasant. Yet if there are artifacts in audio hardware, it actually gives character to the sound. I think that's among a few reasons that emulator DAW-VST architectures might be perceived as conveying a not as convincing or authentic audio experience.
The price is so high because it uses a FPGA. Those things are not cheap. Plus it allows you to have programmable midi sequencing in lets say a Fairlight EVO system. Which would probably be considered way to expensive too.
FPGA are not more expensive than DSPs.
[I know this reads like Im a hater, Im not, I want anyone who works hard to succeed, but sometimes you have to call-out lunacy when you see it]
Sampling was a phenom in the early 80s because it was new tech. Now my phone can do that, and a lot more. Revisiting a classic sampler is lunacy, selling it for $20K is even MORE crazy ( keyboard, cases, and shipping, from AUSTRALIA, are extra). I just checked out his sight, and the "Fairlight" name isn't even available, so that would be like buying a Mercedes without their emblem and name on the car. The Synthtopia review and the specs on Vogel's website don't match-up at all. Right off the bat something doesn't add up: It claims to have 24 polyphonic instruments ( whatever that means) each with 1024 samples. Whats the polyphony for each instrument? Are the samples in stereo? Assuming you have at least SOME memory dedicated to the OS and applications, that doesn't leave a lot for 25,000 samples at 32 bit and 192kHz (again those numbers don't match between sites). Of equal curiosity is the limited memory: 3 gig of RAM? My $3K Kronos has that. An SAT drive? Why not a flash or static drive? S/PDIF i/o? Why not AES/EBU? It seems a lot of the money goes towards things that have nothing to do with the sound or the functionality of the system: the mainframe weighs 70 pounds, then you have clunky monitor and the light-pen, and an i-phone for a keypad. WTF? It would seem Vogel wishes to sell the same sampler back to the people who bought his first one. He better hurry, there's no industry left, and those folks are going broke because they can't dance on stage....Vogel goes on to having a investor option and wants to sell his life story to a film maker. All of the photos of the new instrument have been removed from the site, I'm guessing it has something to do wit the trademark issues. Does all of this add-up to a system that costs over $25K, may never be available, and if so you’d have to wait 3 months, Im leaning towards NO.
if there were software for PC it would be really wonderful (and a lot more cheaper)
It IS a pc , put in a cmi cabinet , i wonder if they sold any of these and try to spot a sample played on this or a bitreduced , this aint 80s quality hardware
"III series had 128k sample time?" - Man, you don't know the history of these machines but try to sell a new as a recreation )))))) For the people who know Series II and III that means a lot. Improve your technical skills first, please...
He must have accidently said Series III. Didn't he mean an earlier Series?
so its nothing like the original then, whats the point?
Did you even watch this video? He talks extensively enough about how you can get the same awful 8-bit aliasing of the original out of brand new software. Read: it can sound exactly like the original.
+Synthematix NOW THEY HAVE ADDED THE ANALOG BOARD SO NOW YEAH ILL PROB GET ONE
Wheres the market for this product?. What makes them think anyone will pay what they're asking for a product like this. I'm actually offended by how ridiculous this is.
+575garden WHY DOES IT OFFEND YOU IM NOT OFFENDED WHEN I PULL UP NEXT TO A BENZ I OWN A OPEN LABSS NEKO A JUPITER 80 KORG KRONOS MUSE RECEPTOR WITH 16GB OF RAM
You answered your own question there. The market is obviously very small and specialist, so the price has to be high to recover the development cost. This is never going to be a mass market consumer product, why would you expect mass-market consumer prices?
The idea of building new hardware to "emulate old sounds" is asinine.
blah, blah, blah...
I'll stick with the Arturia V Collection and an 88 key controller. Thanks.
When i search a Fairlight30a video i expect to find demos and sounds not only a guy speaking about it.bla bla lba.
Franck S. You're looking in the wrong place.
james woody Give me a clue
so i'm not the only person who DESPISES all talk no demo videos
Most of the time I would agree with you but I did want to here about the specs however he should have played more.
You can't always play in the playground, you at some point need to go in and learn something.
I just cannot understand the price. These things were fantastic in their day. They shaped a lot of dance, rock and pop music etc. but you can do all that and more with much cheaper consumer equipment let alone dedicated music equipment. If this was really cheap and for pure nostalgia then fair enough but they're selling this on as though it's state of the art. I may be wrong of course but I just can't understand the price.
kingofkeyboards Well these are completely hand made, which includes sawing the keys themselves and making the frame works.
How much does a Boesendorffer grand piano cost?
And why isn't anybody complaining about those being so expensive?
+RastaSaiyaman Nord keyboards are handmade in Sweden but don't cost anywhere near as much. You're paying the same as an affordable car for little more than nostalgia in my opinion.
I'm not sure who is buying them but I assume they're happy with the price
This is just trying to sell nostalgia to people with big pockets. Look at the fucking thing, it's a dinosoar.
You'll have all kinds of music snobs telling you you just don't understand. Well ask any modern musician and they'll tell you that they made their multi-million-dollar albums using very inexpensive DAWs and VSTs. They didn't need to be snobs to become rich or famous, nor to enjoy their talents.
If you want to make music, there are a thousand ways to do it today. Have fun and save your money.
Used for sound fx in original "Tron" and soundtrack to "Full Metal Jacket".
the song at the beginning yes owner of a lonely heart?
+michael jagger Sounds like it.
Yes, Yes
I know it's Yes. Owner of a Lonely Heart. For sure!
I love the Fairlight sound but, could I just use a Yamaha Montage or MODX with a CMI sample library? Could I get the sounds with a VSTi Sampler and bit crushing? Could I copy my cat and chew my own ass or sleep all day?
For the purists, the Series ll and lll represent excellent craftsmanship and authentic technology to this day. And @ £30000 GBP or USD $45000 rightly so. They're like Bentleys or Rolls-Royces. They're always fashionable to have. Yet if I can setup a DAW-VST emulator on my laptop at a fraction of the cost that rivals the functionality of the tactile kit, I'm contented.
.I bet people would not complain so much if they had the chance to sit down and really get to know it's capabilities.
Classic instrument, but looks pretty dated to today’s technology. Some vst’s can do all this.
So .... what does it sound like then?
+zedster911 GLORIOUS!
hire michael winslow from police academy .he could save you alot of time and money
perhaps we could hear the fairlight next time?
Primative technology by todays standards.
Absolutely innovative, ground-breaking, inspirational, in the 1970s.
That's a funny comment, considering they are the ones that pioneered what you call "Primative technology by todays standards." The wrote the damn book.
So, the additive synthesis on partials from samples and the like may be interesting, but what does it really do that you can't do with Native Instruments Reaktor and some ensembles (or even designing one ensemble yourself). I mean, I bet most of the stuff has been available for years in Reaktor.
And Kontakt from Native Instruments. And in combi with Maschine and a MiDi keyboard and a good pc for like 2000 bucks. If you have that there's no reason to buy this Fairlight. Still, it is an interesting device though overpriced yes.
The stratospheric cost notwithstanding, the average purist is emotionally invested in the tactile experience of the physical infrastructure. And I totally get that. Yet, as well I number myself among those would be happy with a nearly total digital emulation
@@William_sJazzLoft Yes! The whole thing is a marketing "fairy tale". :)
Now they try re-itterate and repackage something that has already been surpassed by lightyears in modern times and hope that the name "Fairlight" somehow sprays a magical "fairy dust" on something that is a different, but less flexible version, of what we already have!
The cost itself is a big part of the "dust spraying Fairy tale experience"
The tactile part of "The tactile experience of a physical infrastucture" can easily even be outdone with, for example, a combo of some older great feeling Synth keybeds (like the Yamaha Motif 6) which you can get for a peanut second-hand and a bunch of other more modern controllers (including foot controllers!).
But, yeah, a modern flexible DAW setup is not as much a 1:1 (one to one) more direct "pre wired" infrastructure as a more closed self-contained system as this expensive behemoth. At the same time the first Fairlights (from CMI II-x and onwards) were shooting for to become the same flexible keyboard controlled DAWS as we have nowadays and that makes most of us wonder what they are shooting for with this newer instrument here.
Wow, I didn't even know there was a new Fairlight!
Until I saw a comment on UA-cam about the new Moog Modular System 55!
ua-cam.com/video/n3K_fZDvINs/v-deo.html
Ahh that The Fairchild 670....
The use of "Owner of a Lonely Heart" at the beginning prompts me to ask a question. When Yes took off on tour in support of 90125, Tony Kaye is said to have triggered sounds which originated on Trevor Horn's Fairlight from a Yamaha DX7. How was that achieved?
I remember that Tony used the Emulator 1. But i guess Tony used an Akai S612. It all depends on the year you talk about.
Many thanks.
@ShreadTheWeapon-you're welcome. I found a live footage where Tony plays a Yamaha CP70/80 on top a Oberheim OB series synth and the DX-7 and on the left an organ(?) and the Emulator-1. So we are both a bit right.
Niels Willemse
I'm not surprised to hear about a classic Yamaha electric grand. Makes slightly more sense in some ways than the Kawai piano he mentioned using in 1984, with a custom pickup modification.
Update to your first message: if Tony used a DX-7 to trigger sounds, he could have been using an Ensoniq Mirage or the Akai S-900. But he is the only one who can tell what equipment was used.
I MUST have this!!!
+Christian van Caine me too
Nice 670
Jens Lyd real or clone??
Fairlight and fairchild in the same room, you piss takers. :p
It's interesting, what's old is new again. I LIKE IT ! ! !
Neg all videos that make you sit through ads.
+The Fitz use ADBLOCK
All talk, no music.
For seq, midi, computer with a monochrome screen and keyboard and old technology you can buy a lot of music instruments for under 5 k but if you want the old 54 Chevrolet type then classic you will want to spend 20 k.
Sampling has come a long way since the 80's
Sampling has come a long way since the 80's
play stop talking
Thanks for posting!
Want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Haters. If you could hear what this thing is capable of, you just might change your tune. Yeah, this is a talky video without sounds, but this video is about the guy talking about the Fairlight. There is nothing that sounds as outrageous as a Fairlight. Look further for other Fairlight videos but even those videos don't do it justice. You have to mess with one yourself to find out amazing it is. I can't afford one. I cannot possibly own one but that certainly doesn't make me hate the thing after hearing what it can do to any sound whatsoever and what it can generate on it's own. (I'm referring to the newer Fairlights).
james woody I remember in the late 90s perhaps an old Fairlight version I being advertised at around 1500-2000 GBP in England and a Version III at around 7000-8000 GBP or possibly a little less. The first one was in affordable territory but not really in terms of space. 8-bit but then it had its own sound. Yesh, I would love to own any of them.
***** It is a figure of speech, and a lot of people are prejudiced over the "priCe" of the Fairlight versus the results. Please don't get your panties in a wad over how I prefaced the post. Take a deep breath......instead. Some people would disagree with you, including members of Pink Floyd.
***** "Retarded" is another word that people just don't throw around these days, anymore. You need to think before you type, and before you open your mouth. In addition, you seem to love to take things way out of proportion.
***** The "prize?" Have another drink.......
+james woody U NAILED IT!
Amazing.
FL Studio and Falcon, under $500. Done.
Oh and also a second-hand MIDI controller for $50. Let's not skimp.
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