@ Oh my. Your really lost aren't you. These two Christians spend all their time attacking another religion. One that believes in a single God and awaits Jesus for Judgement day. And you call to protect them? You are being led astray. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Then Ego takes over. This is not a legitimate Christian pursuit. I ask you this. Have you done anything nice for someone you don't know today. Or just cheer on divisive snakes.
PRAYING FOR THE DEAD: Hi Avery and Sam, first I commend you on the good work you do to share the gospel and dispel mis & dis information of The Gospel and Scripture. 👍👍 On the question on praying for the dead, I do believe it was answered from a human perspective (tradition) and not scripture. So if I may share some scriptural light on it, as we are called to live by the Word of Jehovah. Apologies for the length, however i do believe clarity is needed. The practice of praying for the dead as Sam indicated, is a topic of considerable debate and interpretation among various Christian traditions. So, let's explore this issue from a scriptural and theological standpoint regarding Jehovah (God), Christ (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. Scriptural Teachings: -Jehovah’s View on the Dead: Ecclesiastes 9:5-6: "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten." This suggests that once someone has died, their fate is sealed, and they are no longer aware of or affected by earthly matters. From this perspective, praying for the dead might seem ineffectual. Deuteronomy 18:10-12: God expressly condemns practices such as necromancy or seeking communication with the dead, aligning with a view that interacting with or attempting to change the state of the dead goes against divine will. -Jesus’ Teachings: Luke 16:19-31 (The Rich Man and Lazarus): In this parable, Jesus describes a fixed chasm between the righteous and the wicked after death, suggesting that the state of the dead is unchangeable. John 11:25-26: "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die." Jesus emphasizes faith during one’s lifetime as critical for eternal life. The focus is on living in obedience to God before death, not on changing outcomes afterward. There is no explicit teaching from Jesus advocating prayer for the dead, though He encouraged intercessory prayer for the living. -The Holy Spirit's Role: Romans 8:26-27: The Holy Spirit intercedes for believers with "groanings too deep for words," indicating a ministry focused on living believers seeking alignment with God’s will. Hebrews 9:27: "Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment." This suggests that the judgment of the dead is God’s prerogative and that the focus of the Spirit’s work is during an individual’s lifetime.
Praying for the Saved Dead : Some Christians believe in praying for the dead who are "saved" as a form of commending them into God's presence. However, the Bible indicates that the righteous are already secure in God’s hands: 2 Corinthians 5:8: "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." Revelation 14:13: "Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord... they will rest from their labor." These passages imply that those who die in Christ are already blessed and at rest, making prayers for them unnecessary.
Praying for the Unsaved Dead : Scripture does not provide any encouragement or instruction to pray for those who have died unsaved. Instead, it emphasizes the urgency of making decisions about salvation during life: John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already." Luke 13:3: "Unless you repent, you too will all perish." Once a person has died, their opportunity for repentance has passed.
Tradition vs. Scripture : The practice of praying for the dead is common in some traditions (e.g., Catholicism’s doctrine of purgatory). However, the idea of purgatory and post-death intercession has no explicit support in Scripture. It stems from apocryphal writings (e.g., 2 Maccabees 12:45-46) and tradition rather than the biblical canon acknowledged by most Protestants.
Conclusion :: From a biblical perspective, neither Jehovah (God), Christ, nor the Holy Spirit advocates for praying for the dead, whether saved or unsaved. Scripture consistently emphasizes: -The urgency of repentance and faith in this life. -The finality of judgment after death. =The sufficiency of God’s grace and justice to handle the destiny of every soul. -The biblical focus is on praying for the living, sharing the Gospel, and living in obedience to God. I hope and pray this places us on the right footing, concerning the question posed. Remain blessed.
God bless you Avery and Sam. You guys are doing great works for the kingdom of God. Thank you. But pls if you do this next time could you at least announce 1 or 2 questions per person. If can if not it’s your choice anyways lol. Thanks again and God bless you
38:20 My biggest pet peeve in the world is people who speak like this: I have to ask you a question... Because the other day we were talking about.... And then I saw it in a movie.... And my cat ran across the road, then I said I would ask you this question because I think it's a good question and you can answer it, it's not a long question, but it's just been on my mind... BRO, YOU HAVE TEN SECONDS TO SAY THIS QUESTION BEFORE I THROW YOU THROUGH A WINDOW😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Another addition to the Islam dilemma is that if Allah is really God then he knows what it means to be Christian if that be the case then when Allah sends a message to Christian about the INJIL irrespective of what the message is it means if Christianity exists and Allah accepts it as a religion it means Jesus is God
@@tatahfritz9697 the Catholic diemma destroys Sam position. The Roman Catholic Church teaches Islam is true and that Allah is their God. So if Islam is false that means Roman Catholicism is false.
Why did Sam hate on baptist? The way we worship him is how the psalm say do so. Loud very loud and with understanding and beautiful singing and music. We Baptist church people are children of God.
That is not true worship for these things literally every churches do it the ancient israel wrote psalms at the same time offered sacrifices to God too?didnt they? just like that in parallel christians(ancient churches) do the same and that is true worship intended by God not just singing which is only part of it
@@woodyharrelson2624 Why? Because I routinely post sourced facts and Avery and company do not like to be challenged with actual facts and common sense...so they block me on other videos.
If a child knowingly sins, shouldn't the same child be evangelized so as to knowingly accept salvation? This is where I see Matthew 18:11-14. Because in the overall context, the child was a model to answer the disciples' question of who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven ( verses 1-4), and then the child becomes a mission field (verses 5-14, especially 11-14). Therefore, they're children who are innocent, those who aren't knowingly sinning, and are under God's grace of coverage for salvation. Nevertheless, they're those who knowingly sins and as such should be evangelized so that they can come to salvation. However, the big challenge would be the how do we know when a child has come to a point of knowledge or knowingly sinning. There isn't any age that suggests this but it's very important to share the message of salvation to every child at every age in such a way that they are able to understand the message of salvation in simple terms.
Sam made an erroneous affirmation that 1Cor1:3 is referring to speaking in tongue in an angelic language. Apostle Paul forcefully make his point about the uselessness of the spiritual gifts without love, Paul turns to the use of hyperbole, that is, exaggerated statements used for emphasis. This is the first in a series of five hyperbolic statements that illustrate love as the supreme Christian ethic. Paul is not suggesting that he speaks in the tongues of men and angels, but is rather saying that even if he could speak in these tongues (something nobody can do), they would be useless. He follows this with the exaggerated statements that even if he had the greatest prophetic powers, even if he had the greatest faith, even if he was the most generous, and even if he was the most self-sacrificial, these things are all meaningless without love. Rather than suggesting that Paul is making a statement about the possibility of speaking in angelic tongues or a heavenly language, the hyperbolic and exaggerated hypothetical nature of the passage must be allowed to stand, or else his argument breaks down. It is a hyperbolic statement; it should not be taken as affirming any teaching about believers speaking in a heavenly language. The passage should be allowed to stand in its place as a forceful illustration about the supremacy of love in Christian ethics and not torn from its context to assert any doctrine about speaking in angelic tongues. Any comments please? Thank you.
Also guys you have them bang to rights as allah said he breathed he spirit into Miriam /Mary and made Esa /Jesus so when they say how can god have a son that backfired immediately
This is why I really only listen to God logic, Sam is a good teacher. But sometimes he is way off point. He should not sit on the fence when it comes to praying for the dead.That is clearly a false teaching
@@godman9074 he’s Catholic. You know the Catholic chruch offices dogma is Muslims and Catholics worship the same god right? He goes against his own church
Why did Paul change the Torah? Why did he take Deut 30:12-14 in Romans 10:6-8 and all three times removed, "so you may do it" and in the middle passage changed crossing the sea, to rising out of the abyss. Paul's entire idea of faith fulfilling torah pivots on this incorrect misunderstanding from Paul misquoting Torah Paul taught differently than Jesus and also different then the instructions given through Moses.
Who chose Paul to continue with Gods plan & message to the gentiles ? It wasn’t Paul himself… as he started out persecuting Christians and those who believed in and followed Jesus and his teachings. Oh yeah that’s right Jesus Christ chose Paul for a reason. ❤
@@shamounian Why you such Anti-Zionist/Semitic ? What gives you the Right to say Israelis Excluded from the 12 Tribes when Half of the Jews on Earth lives there😂.
How about some one ask Sam why does the Catholic Church that he loves so much teach Allah of the Quran is the creator of the heaven and earth. How about someone ask Sam why his church teaches Catholics and Muslims worship the same god. So if Islam is false ….. his church is false. Sam will never debate this topic or address this. If you mention it to him he will just block you. He is obviously a false teacher.
Which idiot told that catholic church teaches that the GOD OF BIBLE and Allah of islam are the same. No catholic teaches that. Just check you might have had a horrible dream. Check the facts first
Only if protestants have they're way. Because they have been deceived by christ hating rabbinical jews into believing that the Deuterocanon isn't scripture. Jesus himself celebrated Hanukkah.
Protestant have removed these books from their Bible. Its not that the catholic church added it. Check the Bible and The Church History. Catholic church has a history. Protestant church is a horrible mystery. Open you eyes bro.
Great stream, @GodLogicApologetics and @Shamounian. @TheMuslimApologist recently wrote a book attacking Paul. Would you guys want to debar him on that?
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Lord please protect Sam and Avery from the attacks of the enemy. In Jesus Name
Amen Amen 🙏
Amen
@ Oh my. Your really lost aren't you. These two Christians spend all their time attacking another religion. One that believes in a single God and awaits Jesus for Judgement day. And you call to protect them? You are being led astray. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Then Ego takes over. This is not a legitimate Christian pursuit. I ask you this. Have you done anything nice for someone you don't know today. Or just cheer on divisive snakes.
@@allenaustin5947 he’s a false teacher. Do you believe Allah is the creator of heaven and earth ?
Amen
Yes thank you so much brother Avery. We need these kind of sessions to deepen our knowledge on the Holy scriptures.
Sam seems to be guided by the Holy Spirit in his explanations - so clear, so to the point. And the two of you are really good together. God bless!
when godlogic and sam get together you know its about to pop tf off
Brother the TF wasn’t necessary. Aren’t you the follower of Christ our lord?
@ Yep. Like a smelly fart.
@@stevoreno2913 have some discernment Sam is false teacher.
PRAYING FOR THE DEAD:
Hi Avery and Sam,
first I commend you on the good work you do to share the gospel and dispel mis & dis information of The Gospel and Scripture. 👍👍
On the question on praying for the dead, I do believe it was answered from a human perspective (tradition) and not scripture. So if I may share some scriptural light on it, as we are called to live by the Word of Jehovah. Apologies for the length, however i do believe clarity is needed.
The practice of praying for the dead as Sam indicated, is a topic of considerable debate and interpretation among various Christian traditions. So, let's explore this issue from a scriptural and theological standpoint regarding Jehovah (God), Christ (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit.
Scriptural Teachings:
-Jehovah’s View on the Dead:
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6: "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."
This suggests that once someone has died, their fate is sealed, and they are no longer aware of or affected by earthly matters. From this perspective, praying for the dead might seem ineffectual.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12: God expressly condemns practices such as necromancy or seeking communication with the dead, aligning with a view that interacting with or attempting to change the state of the dead goes against divine will.
-Jesus’ Teachings:
Luke 16:19-31 (The Rich Man and Lazarus): In this parable, Jesus describes a fixed chasm between the righteous and the wicked after death, suggesting that the state of the dead is unchangeable.
John 11:25-26: "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die."
Jesus emphasizes faith during one’s lifetime as critical for eternal life. The focus is on living in obedience to God before death, not on changing outcomes afterward.
There is no explicit teaching from Jesus advocating prayer for the dead, though He encouraged intercessory prayer for the living.
-The Holy Spirit's Role:
Romans 8:26-27: The Holy Spirit intercedes for believers with "groanings too deep for words," indicating a ministry focused on living believers seeking alignment with God’s will.
Hebrews 9:27: "Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment."
This suggests that the judgment of the dead is God’s prerogative and that the focus of the Spirit’s work is during an individual’s lifetime.
Praying for the Saved Dead :
Some Christians believe in praying for the dead who are "saved" as a form of commending them into God's presence. However, the Bible indicates that the righteous are already secure in God’s hands:
2 Corinthians 5:8: "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord."
Revelation 14:13: "Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord... they will rest from their labor."
These passages imply that those who die in Christ are already blessed and at rest, making prayers for them unnecessary.
Praying for the Unsaved Dead :
Scripture does not provide any encouragement or instruction to pray for those who have died unsaved. Instead, it emphasizes the urgency of making decisions about salvation during life:
John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already."
Luke 13:3: "Unless you repent, you too will all perish."
Once a person has died, their opportunity for repentance has passed.
Tradition vs. Scripture :
The practice of praying for the dead is common in some traditions (e.g., Catholicism’s doctrine of purgatory). However, the idea of purgatory and post-death intercession has no explicit support in Scripture. It stems from apocryphal writings (e.g., 2 Maccabees 12:45-46) and tradition rather than the biblical canon acknowledged by most Protestants.
Conclusion ::
From a biblical perspective, neither Jehovah (God), Christ, nor the Holy Spirit advocates for praying for the dead, whether saved or unsaved. Scripture consistently emphasizes:
-The urgency of repentance and faith in this life.
-The finality of judgment after death.
=The sufficiency of God’s grace and justice to handle the destiny of every soul.
-The biblical focus is on praying for the living, sharing the Gospel, and living in obedience to God.
I hope and pray this places us on the right footing, concerning the question posed.
Remain blessed.
@@maksm31 are you Watchtower member?
I love the way Sam prays ✝️
Lets pray for all of you in these war may God bless &cover with his blood ijmn
I love love this duo , logic and our very own Mr Sam Shamoun , we are also going to to learn a lot from them 😊
May God protect and Bless you 2"
💗
God bless you both amen
God's logic loves sam shamoun ❤😂❤
peace to my beloved B.A.S.I.C.s (brothers and sisters in CHRIST)v
Sam smiling haha the best 🙏✝️😎
From Glasgow Scotland your ministry is a God send to me as I find myself being more involved with Islam doctrine
God bless you both
God bless you Avery and Sam. You guys are doing great works for the kingdom of God. Thank you.
But pls if you do this next time could you at least announce 1 or 2 questions per person. If can if not it’s your choice anyways lol.
Thanks again and God bless you
38:20 My biggest pet peeve in the world is people who speak like this: I have to ask you a question... Because the other day we were talking about.... And then I saw it in a movie.... And my cat ran across the road, then I said I would ask you this question because I think it's a good question and you can answer it, it's not a long question, but it's just been on my mind...
BRO, YOU HAVE TEN SECONDS TO SAY THIS QUESTION BEFORE I THROW YOU THROUGH A WINDOW😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Need to make a clip of the part with Sam explaining the question about unchanging God. “That’s Bible!”
0:45 Ohhhhh that sounds amazing!!! Like you're going to be the muslim and we will be the Christian apologist!? Okay sign me up.
Another addition to the Islam dilemma is that if Allah is really God then he knows what it means to be Christian if that be the case then when Allah sends a message to Christian about the INJIL irrespective of what the message is it means if Christianity exists and Allah accepts it as a religion it means Jesus is God
Excactly
Heavenly father we please ask for the protection this wonderful guys in Jesus mighty name.
@@tatahfritz9697 the Catholic diemma destroys Sam position. The Roman Catholic Church teaches Islam is true and that Allah is their God. So if Islam is false that means Roman Catholicism is false.
agreed
Why did Sam hate on baptist? The way we worship him is how the psalm say do so. Loud very loud and with understanding and beautiful singing and music. We Baptist church people are children of God.
Join the original church that christ founded bro. Solo fide is false.
He literally defended Baptists and gifts in the stream, how would that be hating?
That is not true worship for these things literally every churches do it the ancient israel wrote psalms at the same time offered sacrifices to God too?didnt they? just like that in parallel christians(ancient churches) do the same and that is true worship intended by God not just singing which is only part of it
Testing 1,2...wow, I'm not blocked
Why would anyone do some weak ish like that? People aren’t Muslims over here curating and pruning comment sections
@@woodyharrelson2624 Why? Because I routinely post sourced facts and Avery and company do not like to be challenged with actual facts and common sense...so they block me on other videos.
Sam, Ebony and ivory was Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder
If a child knowingly sins, shouldn't the same child be evangelized so as to knowingly accept salvation? This is where I see Matthew 18:11-14. Because in the overall context, the child was a model to answer the disciples' question of who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven ( verses 1-4), and then the child becomes a mission field (verses 5-14, especially 11-14).
Therefore, they're children who are innocent, those who aren't knowingly sinning, and are under God's grace of coverage for salvation. Nevertheless, they're those who knowingly sins and as such should be evangelized so that they can come to salvation.
However, the big challenge would be the how do we know when a child has come to a point of knowledge or knowingly sinning. There isn't any age that suggests this but it's very important to share the message of salvation to every child at every age in such a way that they are able to understand the message of salvation in simple terms.
1:03 ✝️👂
Sam made an erroneous affirmation that 1Cor1:3 is referring to speaking in tongue in an angelic language.
Apostle Paul forcefully make his point about the uselessness of the spiritual gifts without love, Paul turns to the use of hyperbole, that is, exaggerated statements used for emphasis. This is the first in a series of five hyperbolic statements that illustrate love as the supreme Christian ethic. Paul is not suggesting that he speaks in the tongues of men and angels, but is rather saying that even if he could speak in these tongues (something nobody can do), they would be useless.
He follows this with the exaggerated statements that even if he had the greatest prophetic powers, even if he had the greatest faith, even if he was the most generous, and even if he was the most self-sacrificial, these things are all meaningless without love. Rather than suggesting that Paul is making a statement about the possibility of speaking in angelic tongues or a heavenly language, the hyperbolic and exaggerated hypothetical nature of the passage must be allowed to stand, or else his argument breaks down.
It is a hyperbolic statement; it should not be taken as affirming any teaching about believers speaking in a heavenly language. The passage should be allowed to stand in its place as a forceful illustration about the supremacy of love in Christian ethics and not torn from its context to assert any doctrine about speaking in angelic tongues.
Any comments please? Thank you.
How do I call in to debate Sam?
You seeking punishment?
@ just a respectful debate is that not allowed?
@@TedEast-i1b😂😂😂😂
@@TedEast-i1b 😅😅😅
Good luck😂
Is that Sam? Or that Samta Clause?
Also guys you have them bang to rights as allah said he breathed he spirit into Miriam /Mary and made Esa /Jesus so when they say how can god have a son that backfired immediately
This is why I really only listen to God logic, Sam is a good teacher. But sometimes he is way off point. He should not sit on the fence when it comes to praying for the dead.That is clearly a false teaching
@@godman9074 he’s Catholic. You know the Catholic chruch offices dogma is Muslims and Catholics worship the same god right? He goes against his own church
Why did Paul change the Torah?
Why did he take Deut 30:12-14 in Romans 10:6-8 and all three times removed, "so you may do it" and in the middle passage changed crossing the sea, to rising out of the abyss.
Paul's entire idea of faith fulfilling torah pivots on this incorrect misunderstanding from Paul misquoting Torah
Paul taught differently than Jesus and also different then the instructions given through Moses.
Why did your mother break the Torah?
Who chose Paul to continue with Gods plan & message to the gentiles ?
It wasn’t Paul himself… as he started out persecuting Christians and those who believed in and followed Jesus and his teachings.
Oh yeah that’s right Jesus Christ chose Paul for a reason. ❤
@@shamounian😂😂😂😂
@@shamounian Why you such Anti-Zionist/Semitic ? What gives you the Right to say Israelis Excluded from the 12 Tribes when Half of the Jews on Earth lives there😂.
@@shamounian can I debate you on Islamic dilemma?
How about some one ask Sam why does the Catholic Church that he loves so much teach Allah of the Quran is the creator of the heaven and earth. How about someone ask Sam why his church teaches Catholics and Muslims worship the same god. So if Islam is false ….. his church is false. Sam will never debate this topic or address this. If you mention it to him he will just block you. He is obviously a false teacher.
Which idiot told that catholic church teaches that the GOD OF BIBLE and Allah of islam are the same.
No catholic teaches that.
Just check you might have had a horrible dream.
Check the facts first
2 macabees is not scripture never will be
It's a deuterocanonical book.
Only if protestants have they're way. Because they have been deceived by christ hating rabbinical jews into believing that the Deuterocanon isn't scripture. Jesus himself celebrated Hanukkah.
It was since start of christianity, it will be now and forever be scripture😂cry about it shaytan
Protestant have removed these books from their Bible.
Its not that the catholic church added it.
Check the Bible and The Church History.
Catholic church has a history.
Protestant church is a horrible mystery.
Open you eyes bro.
Great stream, @GodLogicApologetics and @Shamounian. @TheMuslimApologist recently wrote a book attacking Paul. Would you guys want to debar him on that?
He's been debated. Check YT. He won't debate again.
Plus the fact that he wrote a book doesn't matter to anyone.