The Case Against the Sexual Revolution with Louise Perry | The Lila Rose Podcast E69
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- British writer and campaigner, Louise Perry, gives a strong case against the Sexual Revolution in her latest book. Today we discuss similarities between radical feminism and conservatism on certain issues about sex, as well as how the sexual revolution was overall negative for women and families. We also discuss solutions for women to navigate the waters of dating in this era of the pill and more.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro Sequence
00:29 Introduction
01:13 Nimi Skincare
01:52 Background
04:38 What Changed Her Feminist Views?
08:30 Traditions
11:28 Monogamous Marriage is Best
13:37 Consequences of Sexual Revolution
15:42 EveryLife
16:32 Does Contraception and Abortion Help?
18:21 It’s Harder for Women to Say “No”
21:46 Consent Workshops
24:28 Sexual Violence Impulse
27:00 Advice for Parents
30:11 Seven Weeks Coffee
30:54 The Foundational Solution
33:33 Listen to Your Mother
34:08 Don’t Be With an Uncommitted Man
36:59 Her Abortion Position
40:33 Christianity Protects The Weak And Vulnerable
42:37 Pro-Life Perspective
44:00 Christian Morals Are Hard
46:23 Reactions to the Book
47:25 Wrap up
“Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult, and left untried.” - Chesterton
Louise and Lila??? We’re in for a treat today guys
Two of the most on point women talking about this topic
Lila ist Delusional tbh @@awsambdaman
@@awsambdaman Lila's a ding bat. Louise is a bit delusional, but we can forgive her. Maybe. Depends on if she's says anything really stupid.
@@brigittecoursonWhy are you listening to her then? (Question for yourself; that's as far as I'm interested in what you have to say)
@@94jpmcc I've listened to a lot of Lila Rose. She knows how to imitate other people who sound smart. Brigitte is right.
It's amazing that anyone would think the "sexual revolution" was pro-woman and anti-chauvinist men. Very much the opposite of that!
Gloria Steinem and Susan Brownmiller despised Hugh Hefner.
if women are giving it, men will accept your loose punanis
Thank you, Lila, for featuring Louise Perry on your podcast. Louise is especially credible because she has been thoroughly ensconced on the political Left for most of her career. Despite being on the Left, when she encountered evidence that ran counter to the Left's narrative on human sexuality, she changed her mind. If only more individuals in the academic community were amenable to countervailing evidence, and not so married to their political views, we could have more honest conversations about what ails society.
I’ve been waiting on the edge of my seat of this!! Louise and Lila… what a powerful dream team for women
Louise Perry’s podcast Maiden Mother Matriarch is absolutely the best, a must listen. ♥️
How are women's needs underserved? We live in an aggressively materialistic and consumerist society. As women make 80% of consumer decisions the whole society revolves around their wants and desires.
Women's WANTS are served, their needs are underserved. There is a stark difference between what women claim they want versus what they actually need.
they always want more more more
Well to be fair, the consumer decisions they make serve to benefit the entire family, not just themselves. That's why marketers will tailor advertising to them, even when the product isn't directly for them. I'm not sure if that statistic still holds. I know it did when I was in college but that was a good 10 years ago.
yeh but they will overbuy, and not care about how much is spent, women are bad with money, they also need more comfortable things, they need more than men do or more than what men would buy, then we all know women love shopping for clothes, makeup and shoes, theyve never had to bring in the money/resources so spending is fine with them cos its always been the husband who pays@@dahliaherrod4301
then we got tax money, which men 60% more of and women use most of it up, so women take out more than they put in.. women create resources, women consume em, then complain about men and capitalism when women drive capitalism@@dahliaherrod4301
Really great and interesting conversation. So amazing to see the correct conclusions that can be drawn from reason alone.
I would caution Lila to avoid cutting speakers off when they say things she doesn’t agree with. I feel like we didn’t even get Louise’s full take on abortion because of this.
I'm glad Lila challenged her reasoning, and it's not too surprising considering her passion for the pro-life movement.
Sometimes passion can do that to anyone ☺️❤ it's lovely to see how passionate she is over lives of babies.
That thumbnail really brought to mind the old Pokemon joke: it hurt itself in confusion.
Only 15 mins in but wonderful conversation by two wonderful minds so far. God bless Lila.
I really like hearing Louise’s perspective on all this. Thanks for this Lila!
This was so good 34:55 was amazing onwards. If they wouldn't be someone who you'd want to raise kids with it, you should lay in bed with them.
We can't uninvent the pill, but we can live as if it doesn't exist.
why should YOU?
I have listened to Louise on Allie Stuckey's podcast too. Fantastic information for those of us who were not taught well about sex. I really appreciate this book combined with experience, I feel equipped to teach my daughter in a meaningful way. I pray she does better than me!
I think your daughter can just make a pattern for herself looking at your relationship with your husband. experience is the best teacher that's how everything started.
This is the colab i've been waiting for 🙏
Lila's position about "safe, legal and rare"- in my country after mothers/families got more financial support abortion rates dropped 40% in 10 years so its possible if the government cares about mothers in difficult situations.
what country? i think this is the issue. yes first we need to establish that life begins in the womb and the tragedy of abortion, but also discuss the was to take care of women/families who find themselves in particularly financially and physically vulnerable situations
@@ShannonCombs-mz9fc Who's womb are you talking about?
Great discussion, thank you, Neighbor 👍
I really appreciated you having Louise Perry on your podcast, Lila! As a gentle note, I think your attitude towards her in the last half of the conversation was a little tense. I realize you and Louise differ a bit on the legality of abortion, and while I agree with you on your pro-life stance, I think you could have challenged Louise without passive aggression. Your questions were a bit leading and forceful, and at times your demeanor was a little sanctimonious. Overall I found Louise's response to be a tad more on the gracious side. Not meaning to be overly critical; I have so much respect for you and your podcast. ♥
I think she pressed her well on an important issue. Louise is intelligent and I'm sure she is aware of any lingering cognitive dissonance in regard to her position on abortion -- it's something she is still exploring. I appreciate that she is willing to think for herself! I think that, based on her arguments against the sexual revolution, and her acknowledgment of human life and its meaning, protecting the vulnerable -- she may eventually call herself pro-life. Unlike the pro-abortion feminists of today, she is not so detached from reality and understands that abortion is not an ethical practice that should remain entirely unrestricted. I'm glad Lila was able to interview her
I think she pressed her well on an important issue. Louise is intelligent and I'm sure she is aware of any lingering cognitive dissonance in regard to her position on abortion -- it's something she is still exploring. I appreciate that she is willing to think for herself! I think that, based on her arguments against the sexual revolution, and her acknowledgment of human life and its meaning, protecting the vulnerable -- she may eventually call herself pro-life. Unlike the pro-abortion feminists of today, she is not so detached from reality and understands that abortion is not an ethical practice that should remain entirely unrestricted. I'm glad Lila was able to interview her
How different impressions people can have… To my mind, Lila’s change in attitude resulted from her being saddened by Louise’s stance. And, she handled it very gracefully.
It seems to me that you interpret holding your emotions in check as passive aggression.
As for the questions that you call leading… Louise gave away that her legal stance is different from her moral one. Lila gave her the chance to express her moral stance by the end of the interview. A very considerate thing to do. Also, she protected such an important issue in this way - from being watered down. Louise was in a role of an expert quest here, so it was super important not to make false impressions that she is ok with abortions.
It takes a lot of strength of character, empathy, and manners to conduct the end of the conversation the way Lila did, given how strongly she feels about such an important issue.
Then she elegantly toned down the tone of the conversation with a question about the book. And ended up on a lighter note.
Very smart and very elegant. ❤
I’ve made a similar comment on other videos too. I don’t think she’s doing it intentionally, but she has an unfortunate habit - probably from years of arguing with pro-abortionists - of being quite curt and direct, which comes across as passive aggressive.
@@emilyk.5664 Where in the world is it "entirely unrestricted"? Please name a country.
Louise Perry?!? What an unexpected surprise! 🎉
Wonderful as always Lila! ❤
I was following along until the whole marriage thing. I dont see any upside to modern men getting married. It rarely gives them any benefits in cases of divorce, and comes with a host of negative consequences.
I liked this before even watching because I knew it would be a great conversation!
Very good interview, thanks.
Love both of these women!
Just a very sensible discussion
Its interesting to hear how Louise's outlook changed partly through having children and partly through having more experience of the world. I wonder if she now realises the enormous damage being done to society by those younger than her who will continue their perceptions and beliefs into later life by not having children and not learning through experience. The damage of radical feminism is now done and it is irreversible and her children will be the beneficiary's of that. If she has boys they will be endlessly persecuted and put down by modern society - if she has girls they will be taught to chase power at any cost and are most likely to end up childless and unhappy as a result.
I think woman are more agreeable. that's why they are easy to persuade to get jobs, and enter the work force at all with mere suggestion. I also think that employers and corporations, governments, prefer woman in upper roles (female CEO, anyone?) because they would be much easier to manipulate than men in the same role.
Loved you on the Whatever podcast. I know it was incredibly frustrating but remember many people are hearing what you say not just that confrontational girl that was on the show. Jafar Jasmine or whatever.
I watched it all... really hardcore show.
I'm a man who was out there from 1990 until 2010. My most embarrassing and consequential experiences were when I said no to a woman for any reason. In retrospect, I think it was better for everyone when I just politely capitulated. Except for one; who was just too drunk. So, boys deal with this also, but with fewer consequences. The only benefit of of being a slut for 20 years is that I've got some solid ideas about raising my many children.
I would love to see you speak to Rachel Wilson ^_^ She wrote an incredible book called Ocult Feminism. GREAT book.
Father Exclusion. NOT Fatherlessness.
I’m glad she referred to it as sexual obligation instead of sexual revolution because I’ve seen a lot of women who FEEL like they HAVE to sleep with someone when they don’t
Louise makes this bizarre argument that is is more difficult for women now to say No. Really ? Has she checked the facts. More men are sexless than ever. That wouldn't be the case is women were saying yes more. Women don't have a problem saying No. They are just greedy and keep saying yes to the top dogs in hopes of enticing them and then cry when they get dumped.. Louise has a remarkable ability to distort truths.
That's not what she said though. She said that in situations where a man and woman are dating, that, if pressed, the woman tends to be more agreeable to say yes even if she doesn't want to have sex. Its a situational reality. You are correct that the younger generations as a whole are having less sex, but that doesn't negate her point about women who give consent reluctantly.
If she doesn't want to have sex with the guy why is she with the guy ?@@dahliaherrod4301
If they are not sexually attracted to the guy and don't want to have sex with the guy. Why are they with the guy. Why don't they honestly tell him they don't want to have sex with him. Is honesty so hard.@@dahliaherrod4301
@@vira1340Because sex is for married people. So if he doesn't want to marry her why is he trying to have sex with her?
Married women 😂😂😂😂😂@@Sherelle86
Louise Perry’s awesome!
25:26 It’s a bloodline crime. Like sacking the temples to remove the spiritual reverence for potential future importance.
Life comes from her temple within. It’s our closest connection to god to bring forth new souls to this earthly place.
A rape survivor has a more difficult motherhood.
The consequences are enormous.
It’s far beyond a momentarily indulged impulse.
My only problem with Louise is she doesn't do video podcast. Please Louise comeback
Great conversation, but I have one point of disagreement. The idea of a man proposing within 6 months, in a day and age where divorce and family courts increasingly ruin men to the point of self-deletion, is INSANITY. I'm married, and I believe in marriage, but it's too easy for someone to hide their true colors for that short of a time. Then, next thing you know, the hidden feminist in this woman comes bursting out like something from the movie "Alien" and you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Hell, fashion fads last longer than six months...
I like Louise. I've read her book and it's excellent. But why on earth is men being preoccupied with certainty of paternity "not very nice"? Why should a man invest decades of his life, thousands of hours of work and his finances in kids that aren't his?
Lila assumes we all agree that we have free will but neuroscience has debunked it and philosophers have been divided on it for thousands of years.
I have hope for the future. I also look at reality and the numbers show a sad story.
So what is it Lila. Do you like Brian and his podcast you used to gain traction, or do you think he’s really making women look dumb or did they do that themselves by just talking? Kinda some backstabbing behavior you’re promoting .🙄
what are you on about? She was well known way before she went on the whatever podcast. Judging from this and another comment, it sounds like someone on YT made an anti Lila video and you went full NPC
Uh, what low-level thinking. She did it as a chance to share her views with a large audience of young people. Thats completely obvious . May have prevented an abortion or 1000.
He has a crush on Brian
Louise is a lovely sincere person; I’ve followed for a long time. She is not prolife though in the Christian sense. I don’t think she likes abortion, and probably thinks it sad, but she would not see it as a life as she sees a born child.
I would have asked her if the “Safe and Legal” part of the “Safe Legal and Rare” bit, should apply up to the exiting the birth canal.
Louise: I think that you should state clearly your stance on abortion. If you believe in no restrictions whatsoever, through to birth; then you really should let them know.
"through to birth"? Is that a possibility anywhere on this planet?
10K in USA yearly. That’s after 24 weeks. There are three localities that perform well after 24 weeks. So yes there are indeed.
The latest abortions recorded by cdc were at 38 weeks
Wait men mate guarding to make sure the children they are raising is theirs is NOT virtuous? Are you insane?
She was using the example of foot binding as a method of mate guarding by physically crippling women, which is fair to say is not virtuous.
Mrs. Billy Mango!
Well, isn't this why St Thomas Aquinas said that sex work should be permitted? To act as a vent for those men who otherwise would not have sex unless they steal access?
In the internet age men are getting that dopamine hit and tension release through a screen. In the future it will be ai sex robots. There are a huge proportion of men that don't need hookers or online thrills. We have to make sure we are one of them and deal with the underlying issues of sadness, lacking, boredom and poor impulse-control
Prostitution was usually legal until the Puritans came along. Temple prostitution was a different case, because it involved Idolatry.
@@gumdeo"Temple Prostitution" - good name for a biz. 👍
I'm not getting the "harder to say no, to be polite"....does she mean fear of men reacting to rejection w/ violence?
No means no, there is no "politeness".
This is all in hindsight it's the context of the specific situations that you are missing. Girls with unrealistic expectations, men with overly presumptive and warped expectations, and a culture that says casual sex is fun and no big deal, everybody is doing it!
Consent only works in theory, because it can't account for your actual reaction during or after the act. There is a dance to these things, especially in a culture that tells you it's no big deal to have casual sex, so these women will doubt there in doubts and find after the encounter that they didn't want it by how they felt.
Sex seems to be something your nervous system allows you to engages in. If your body doesn't want the encounter it sends stress hormones to get you out of the situation to get you sway from the unwanted potential father.
Women will tell themselves "oh okay I'll just do this, sex is no big deal anyway Taylor's always saying casual sex can be the best of your life"
And then the encounter is the reality of casual sex, but you were promised that if you did the random consented act, it was going to be amazing.
Perry is a realist. A certain percentage of men once they get to a certain stage of sexual arousal will push through verbal no's. A smaller percentage will push through physical resistance. This is terrible but it is a reality. Women are playing a dangerous game when they allow themselves to be alone and vulnerable with a man they don't know, especially if they have been on a date, kissing, etc. Perry admonishes women - especially young women, to be very careful about not putting themselves in dangerous situations. Of course no means no, but the men who would sexually assault a woman aren't likely to be swayed by feminist demands of behavior.
@WhizzingFish12 an excellent and intelligent summary.
"We want the best parts of what we have now, and what we had before - fuck men entirely"
Basically sums it up
teen girls in europe are taking pictures in their underwear in their bedroom in snapchat instagram what law is she talking about?
Good discussion
Good to see you both talking about this. Louise’s book made me sick to my stomach both for the horrible things in it, and the tiny part I’ve played it it. It’s a hard one, but a necessary one. The Church in all her streams needs to come down hard on porn.
"Church in all her streams needs to come down hard on porn"? Because of what? Because of today's women also exploring their sexual side (casual, not casual, toys, no toys, masturbation, experiences of different relationships, less fear of getting married, consent laws, pluralities of inspiration, sexual entertainment when needed, open talk and less shaming…)?
@@pera.j.andersson Go read Louise's book. If a woman has 5 or more sexual partners, she won't be able to pair bond with her husband. Sorry, if someone has a "hoe phase" 99% of the time, it isn't a phase. Then there are the kids. Divorce FUBARs children.
Shaming is good when it is applied to things that hurt people.
I know a woman who bought into the sexual revolution hype. She froze her eggs recently and found she was much less fertile than she had hoped while only being in her early 30s. She’s also quite a rude, negative person. I can only stomach her as an acquaintance these days. It’s sad how she’s angry at the world, but doesn’t realize her problems are largely her own fault.
Don’t listen to your mother, listen to your father!
Nobody ever talks about laws.
Delaying motherhood also has serious consequences for the children, even if all the other issues didn't exist.
I got engaged after a year of dating my husband.
Not heard of Lila Rose before. Seems like a Serena Waterford, Gilead Commander's wife type. Am I wrong?
I hope I can find a woman like Louise or Lila to be my wife.
Ask the Lord in your prayers.
If you don't want to have sex, "no" is a complete sentence and doesn't require any further explanation.
I considered everything food for thought in this video except for what is said at 35:50 . 6 months is not enough time for non surface manipulative behavior to show up. You're barely past the honeymoon period and are only beginning to see the bad sides of each other.
As a male who spent many years tying to get with women I can tell you for a fact a women don't have a problem saying no. Most of the time they don't even need to they just flake or make up an excuse.
What she's saying is women find it hard to say no to gigga chads
36:41 I disagree here... because the law is being misused. If the marriage doesn't involve state to make decisions then it's ok but the way it is implemented, there is a chance the state can change law at anytime and exploit our family life. So, if the marriage is only between your family and your spouse's family in a religious setting then this would be the best in the long run.
so what is a fair function of foot binding? especially as it relates to women. why would she choose such a dumb counter example?
Two godly women.
While I am sure statement intent was intended to be a compliment towards both Louise Perry and Lila Rose, in other interviews, Louise Perry has described herself as a secularist. She just understands, by looking at things empirically, that reality just aligns with the traditional faith based perspective on human sexuality.
Monogamous marriage is rooted in patriarchal gender roles, religion and chaste sexual choices before/during marriage. Our society has thrown all three of those out and that is largely why monogamous marriage is dying.
Louise has a beautiful speaking voice... no vocal fry at all. Very nice to listen to.
We don't really do vocal fry in England. It's more of an American thing.
Overall very nice, but I don’t think it was required to be so harsh and rude to Louise at the end. She’s allowed to have a difference of opinion, even if I don’t necessarily agree with it.
Ya'll didn't follow Gracie Slick. She was the pinnacle of American women being real
If a man isn't talking about marriage within 6 months, he's either not in the stage of his life where he's serious about marriage (so he's not going to marry you), or you're not the cow he wants, but since he's getting the milk for free... he's not gonna give up good juice that doesn't require much squeeze (so he's not gonna marry you). If the man is in the wife and children stage of his life, he's not gonna make you wonder.
Methinks the wamyn doth protest too much
Halfway through Louise’s book. It’s so good! As far as “safe, legal & rare” .. abortion isn’t actually safe & it’ll never be rare so long as it’s legal. But I’m glad she’s making the case against it even if she’s not ready to support a legal hard line.
Nice Lila, going on the WE Podcast and then talk shit like a snake behind Brian, Women do not life in Reality
Is it just me or am i the only one noticing that episode number is 69
Louise inadvertently provides very useful advice to men. If your girlfriend/ wife not having sex with you leave her immediately. It proves she doesn't love you because she finds loveless sex not empowering. Every smart man knows that pursuing a woman only makes you less attractive to her. So there is no point. Sex work should be legal and destigmatized so that this whole stupid game can be ended.
Why are the liberated women quiet when men are taking sports scholarships and accolades away from women? They are all tak, but no action.
Women taught men how to grift and claim victim hood when half robots will be the new trend they will claim victim hood from the current trend (trans) and the cycle shall begin anew
We don't need an excuse. We don't have to have sex with anyone. What is wrong with you, Louise Perry? We can be completely offensive toward males and just tell them they're not good enough, or we don't like them.
The pill......reproductive irresponsibility leading to all the modern consequences.
The modern,soft sell Phyllis Schafly
Again it's mens fault
Too many adds
Sadly the sexual revolution triggered the current exodus of good men. How? By teaching good men to protect themselves with Passport Bro training from AI Girlfriends to avoid false #metoo loss of job at work or loss of assets at home due to trending college Chad yearning reactivation divorce motivation.
Also I'd like to point out that Christianity does not have a monopoly on standing up for the weak. Jainism predates it, and I think prescribes far more non violence, especially towards animals. Buddhism is also non violent but more abstract and less emotion oriented.
Christianity is better i think coz it's peaceful but not a pacifist belief system. There are times people will have to wage war or eat flesh.
Valid but we're talking about religions which stand up for the weak. Louise says Christianity is the only one which does. That just isn't true. Also the way it is practiced is a pacifist religion but the story of the frowning buddha also mentions times when the buddha disapproved of self defeating pacificism and called for armed resistance. Unfortunately this story is not pondered upon much by Monks.@@johnnybrave7443
@@kanishkchaturvedi1745 she's talking about religion in the western world.
She doesn't explicitly state that.@@johnnybrave7443
Lila, please talk about the pregnant women, women and babies at least in Palestine who got killed. You're pro life and claims you care about the vulnerable people right? Can you at least talk about that?? How cruel they got bombardment. If u can invite guests to talk about this genocide, can you focus on that matter that those babies got killed and not the political issue?? Pregnant women have to have c section with anesthesia, babies in incubator have to die?? Why are u silent on that matter as a pro life but tried to jump into politics talk with ur guest?? What are u trying to archieve in doing so?? This is a time u should actually voice out and be louder as a pro life
I understand your heart and any innocent death is heaetbreaking, but this is a shallow response based on a poor understanding of both the historical and current context. I dont blame you because the MSM has long ago chosen to frame it in a certain way that reflects their own biases. Israel is facing a barbaric enemy who would slaughter them all (i.e. commit an ACTUAL genocide, which is a term with an actual definiton and is being widely misused) if they could. The history of Jews is that they have been on the receiving end of this hate many times throughout history, and they CANNOT tolerate it literally next door. Hamas must be destroyed, period.
Yet Israel has been fighting this war with extraordinary restraint, especially considering the multiple ongoing war crimes perpetrated by Hamas, which is literally seeking to maximize its own civilian casualties for propaganda purposes. If they wanted to commit an actual genocide they have the means to do so and there would be hundreds of thousands of dead Gazans by now. There arent bc they dont. But if the power was reversed there WOULD be a genocide.
There is no moral equivalence here. If you want to save lives, you should be calling for Hamas to surrender, but you don't because you know they won't. Wonder why that is?
Oh lila rose.....same snake who used whatever podcast to get fame. Shame on you
You are insulting her and she is the one who should be ashamed of herself?
If you have a criticism share it, but respectfully, and attack the action, not the person.
@@popuri48 Haha you have no power here. I do as I wish. And a snake is a snake. She stole fame she doesnt have the ability to gain herself. Pathetic
@@popuri48the action is getting fame by being on the whatever podcast.
wow Lila you really hate sex don't you
What makes you say that?
~a person who didn’t listen to the podcast nor has ever heard Lila’s position on the topic
Quite the opposite if you are familiar with her at all. She loves sex in its proper context: marriage. Sex is life giving and unitive. Sex outside of marriage has led to sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted pregnancies that result in abortions, and objectification of both men and women, but especially women.
@@jonatikaWweexactly. This original poster is a troll
@@forlife84 "its proper context: marriage" Oh, dear… Puritan, eh?
I love Lila and agree with almost anything with ya. But no 12 months is way too long! You can know compatibility within a few weeks! After that conversations about marriage should start and propose within a few months. Stop wasting each others time guys. Not necessary
As a college r@pe survivor, I can attest to the act being one of power, sexual aggression, and dominance being true.
I was r@ped by a 6 ft. 5" scholarship lineman on the football team. When I first met him I didn't have any interest in him. I didn't give him the time of day. I could feel something was off. I went to a college party with my roommate, and he and a bunch of his friends were there. I ignore them, and hung out with my roommate. The next thing I knew I'm in and out of consciousness, being carried to a car, and my roommate to another car. I was horrifically r@ped and tortured for hours, as my roommate lied in her warm bed in the dorm. After these men were finished torturing me, the main assailant brought me back to the dorm. Bleeding from many orifices, the R.A. still let this r@pist up to my room as he laid there on the floor until I passed out. He left. I woke up the next morning unable to sit down. I stood on the concrete slab of the dorm shower for hours upon end.
As Jordan Peterson says, "if you think masculine men are dangerous, just watch weak men when they are desperate." This p.o.s.was physically strong but mentally and morally weak. Never convicted, but his scholarship was revoked, and he was kicked out of school. For me, I live with feeling of worthless, shame, and regret every f*cking waking hour of my life since that dreadful Autumn evening.