Jaws Might Be The Luckiest Mistake In Movie History | CineFix Top 100
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- “You’re gonna need a bigger boat.”
Jaws was legitimate phenomenon in the 70s, launching both the career of Steven Spielberg and the concept of the summer blockbuster to the forefront of the Hollywood system. For this story about an island being terrorized by a rogue Great White, Clint, Cal and Alex talk about Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss and Robert Shaw as maybe the best ever top 3 in a cast, how to dress like a proper island Mayor and why Bruce the shark not working correctly might just be the most fortuitous mistake in cinema history.
Meanwhile, Dan’s algorithm bids farewell and adieu to ye fair Spanish ladies.
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I know it isn't always possible, but I'm so happy when they are in the same room for these discussions.
They're all at the same table. Why does Cal's audio sound like he's calling in on a land line?
it seems there were some background noises caught on his mic earlier in the video, so they Noise Gated the crap outta his mic so anything under a threshold of sound, it silences entire sound out, so that's what's happening
The audio for this one was all sorts of wonky. loud at times, ok at times, quiet for other times with certain people. probably minor niggles since they're all in the studio but yeah, takes away from a great episode.
It’s a close proximity mic and it’s too far from his mouth
@MikeClayton Good observation. Not just distance but direction. When Alex talks, she looks back and forth between her two co-hosts. The levels swing all over the place depending on which way she turns.
Amazing that when discussing whether there's something better than Williams' 2 notes, Psycho doesn't even come up.
yes. Always reminds me of the Psycho music, and surely influenced by it
Just when I think this office can't get any more awesome, you have a MVC2 cabinet RIGHT THERE!
41:38 The mother showing up to slap Brody. This was real. She could not convincingly pull her punch so she slapped Roy Scheider’s face hard for a total 17 takes! A direct quote from Roy about it: "The actress had no idea how to hit someone in the movies. Every time she slapped me, she really slapped me and it hurt like hell. She had no control. A couple of times I wanted to strangle her, but it was very effective.”
Easily one of the greatest films ever made
Is it a coincidence that this is released a couple of days after Patrick Willems?
I know right? And them also asking "If Bruce had worked, would the movie had been worse?"
Considering that these take literal weeks to write and put together, I would chock it up to a simple coincidence. But CineFix still sucks, nothing changes that fact.
Patrick's video is a good watch, people should check it out. Good insights into how significant - or not - mechanical shark problems were.
@@TDawgBR People have been saying that basically since the movie came out, though. *ANY* in-depth analysis will bring that up.
@@AnonymousFreakYT The difference is that Patrick Willems is mostly debunking the legends about the malfunctioning shark making Jaws a better movie.
When a movie goes from being a hellacious struggle to an absolute culture-defining moment that practically invented summer blockbusters: that’s lightning caught in a bottle you proudly display on your shelf!!
So excited! Jaws is my number 1 also!! I grew up up during a time when it felt like Jaws was on tv all the time and no matter what I was doing I’d sit down and watch it. Finally got to see it in theaters at 25 🎉
Talk about a movie that has earned its reputation and then some.
this movie made me love movies
Perfect comment for a perfect movie
Fun fact: last year there was a broadway play by Ian Shaw (Robert Shaws son) called the shark is broken about the making of jaws and Ian played his dad
Last year? I saw it in London in 2021 😉.
Majority of jaws fans know this
18:09 the two-note theme alone is amazing, but what makes it work is the lower note that is similar to the rite of spring in its punctuated rhythm. Williams used these same three notes to write the theme for Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Like the similarities between Raiders and Superman, Jaws and Close Encounters are kissing cousins.
Before finishing the video, I actually DID read the novel a year or two ago. I can say that it's one of those movies that just is better than the book. Not that the book is bad, but when the film based off your book is Jaws it's hard to stand on your own. What a masterpiece of a film though, kinda perfect in every way. Though I will say, Close Encounters is my fav Spielberg film. Probably.
The movie is MUCH better than the book.
I'm not sure if they're still popular, but back in the 70s and 80s, novelizations of hit movies were huge. I read the Jaws book probably around 1980, not knowing for decades - namely, the Cinefix channel - that the book came first. 😂
Gazpacho and grass.
Top ten or I'm flipping a desk and getting a bigger boat
My mom apparently snuck in and saw this movie way too young... She said she walked home past some acres that evening and was scared of anything that might move around her even though it was tall grass :')
No word of a lie, i think this is the greatest AND most perfect movie of all time.
I don't think the common belief that a working shark would have added a lot more shark shots to the movie. Shooting those scenes took a lot longer than planned, implying that Speilberg was going to get what he wanted regardless. What the broken shark did do, however, was to get Speilberg to film a bunch of inserts that didn't require the shark-little scenes that weren't in the script. This allowed him to make some use of the time spent waiting for the shark to be ready, and many of these made it into the final film, including "You're gonna need a bigger boat."
According to Joe Alves, they eventually more or less got every shot of the shark that they planned to get. The shark was never planned to be shown properly during the first half of the story. It was kept hidden by design.
119:26 it wasn't Bruce not working as to why we didn't see the shark in the opening scene... Spielberg intentionally didn't want to show the shark until later on to build suspense
Indeed. The shark was never scheduled to be used for the first half of the film. Couldn't be used in the 3ft to 4ft shallow water where they filmed the beach attack scenes anyway. It was hidden early on by design. Spielberg was already a suspense director, as Duel and Something Evil proves.
I watched the 3D rerelease a couple years back and I won’t pretend adding 3D retroactively changed the movie from like a 9 to a 10 or anything but it did give me a deeper appreciation for how the movie was composed. The added depth really highlighted how often you could just see the coastline way back in a shot, like the shark was just like looming in the back
Jaws is my all time favorite horror movie ever made. So I wouldn't want Nic Cage anywhere near this movie, but if I had to put him somewhere in it I would have him be the guy who says "A what?" when Hooper says the dead shark is a tiger shark
Nicolas Cage would have been GREAT in JAWS as the Shark
I recently rewatched “the Poseidon Adventure” & John Williams scored that movie🎉❤
OOHHH all together!
Yes. Good to see them all together. Better interaction.
John Williams did the orchestrations for Fiddler on the Roof on 1971. I highly recommend listening to the film's version of "Miracle of Miracles" and comparing it to the Flying Theme from ET
Saw Jaws in the theater as a kid in 1975. I was never the same since. Still my all-time favorite. Also saw it in the theater in 1976, 1979 (rerelease), 1981 (dollar theater) and 2012 (NBCUniversal employee screening). Saw it when it was first broadcast on TV. First viewing on VHS was in 1984, laserdisc 1992 (first widescreen version), DVD 2000, Blu Ray 2012 and 4k in 2022.
The Jaws soundtrack was the first record album I owned which I got Christmas '76. I wanted it for the main theme, but I soon discovered just how brilliant the whole score is. My favorite cue is not the shark theme, but Promenade: Tourists on the Menu (aka Montage from the actual soundtrack).
Still have the album. Originally had it on 8 track, but that got eaten by the player (which was like a shark itself eating also my Star Wars soundtrack).
Fantastic discussion. Really enjoyed it.
Just want to point out that almost nobody gets that the older man who the mayor pressures to get in the water was also complicit in the cover up. He gets out of the car on the car ferry with the mayor and newspaper editor and is sitting at the councillors desk during the town hall meeting. He's part of the problem. The mayor is just the mouthpiece for the town council. The actor's name was Phil Dube, a local Martha's Vineyard personality.
Great installment! 🦈👍 But I think the MVP has to go to Scheider...
18:00 my favorite Eddie Van Halen story is when Michael Jackson hired him to do the guitar solo for 'Beat It'... Eddie came in, took out his guitar, started to play a few finger exercises just to warm up and Michael Jackson said "ok perfect!" - luckily producer Quincy Jones had already been recording so Eddie just packed his guitar back up and left.
I always think of jaws as a solid example of a movie that's better than the book.
the discussion on the music has me wanting to relisten to the ep of The Soundtrack Show on Jaws. I still remember where he talked about using the jaws theme when playing with his very young daughter one time, who clearly had never seen the movie, but immediately parsed the thematic significance of the notes in context of the playing
I *do* think about how crazy music is, ALL THE TIME. This stuff is vibrations through the air, that goes into your brain through your ears and makes you FEEL THINGS. It’s incredible, and John Williams never misses. (The score to Jurassic Park is the best movie score ever)
One Halloween I saw a kid dressed as Quint. Very well done. Even had a shark on his leg. I told him how cool it was and he said “do you even know who I’m dressed as?” A little upset I said, “you’re Robert Shaw.” He felt like an idiot
I saw JAWS in the theater for the first time with the IMAX release in Sept 2022. It was so cool. Took my teenage kids to see it. I was so jealous of them. Experiencing JAWS for the first time on the biggest screen.
Jaws in top 100 - absolutely!🤩
Howard Sackler conceived of the Indianapolis as motivation for Quint. Milius wrote a really long version of a speech for Quint however the version in the movie was written by Robert Shaw.
Close Encounters was not shot on 65mm. The visual effects were. Then a one step reduction print was made to marry the visual effects to the live action shot on 35mm. So the visual effects were always maintained at higher resolution.
Just to share, John Williams scored a bunch of movies before Jaws, a rare Dick Van Dyke comedy "Fitzwilly" where he was still called "Johnny" Williams, the best of the old disaster movies of the early 70's, "The Poseidon Adventure" and "The Towering Inferno", 1973 and 74 consecutively...Williams did a lot for Irwin Allen (Lost in Space), before getting REALLY big with "JAWS" and beyond...The man scored some hits!
Before Jaws, John Williams did the score for all the 70s disaster movies like Towering Inferno and Poseidon Adventure.
Enjoyed the discussion. Many great points were brought up. However, Quint is not swallowed whole by the shark in the novel. He is dragged under water by the shark as he is entangled in the harpoon ropes. It’s a nod to Captain Ahab in Moby Dick. All that aside, keep up the good work.
According to Carl Gottlieb, the screenwriter and an actor in the movie, the Indianapolis speech was penned by multiple people, but the finished version was the product of Robert Shaw who compiled the best parts and added his changes.
Truth is perhaps more muddled. In any case, I recommend all fans to read Gottliebs book on the making of the movie.
Wow, I never noticed the "diopter shot" before! (I'd known about its use in All the President's Men from 1976 - they may have copped that trick from Spielberg.)
Even though Spielberg hasn't made a pure horror movie really since Jaws, he's always had the horror sensibility. Look at the Indiana Jones series; face melting scene, the religious ceremony from Temple of Doom (which the movie itself is directly responsible for the PG13 rating), the accelerated aging scene in Crusade. Then you have other examples later on like Jurassic Park is essentially a slasher movie with dinos, the beach of Normandy scene in Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List is about the Holocaust ('nough said), War of the Worlds also has a sense of horror even though you think of it as sci-fi disaster flick first, and also the spider scene from Minority Report has a great sense of dread and tension which takes place in the grimiest of ghettos. I mean, he never walked away from horror, he just found ways to utilize horror as a tool in other kinds (non-horror) movies.
I met Peter Benchley when I was in college in New Jersey, in 1975 in fact. Spent an afternoon with him. He was the son of better writer Robert Benchley, a legacy that was kinda hard on him. He wore two buttondown shirts, one outside of the other, the way Steve Bannon often does, but he pullef it off much better.
He was a bit too hearty-masculine for 20-year-old girly me, but I liked how passionate he was about the negative spotlight the movie placed on sharks. I've been into sharks since early childhood. Later on I became an activist for shark conservation, even helped get some anti-finning laws passed.
Unless I missed it, the Cinefix crew didn't talk about Peter Benchley's cameo in the movie. He played a TV reporter on the beach.
Hooper is my favorite. “Hahahah, they’re all gonna die.” 😂
7:15 - My wife tends to swing her arm(s) for jump scares. Whenever I know one is coming and I'm sitting next to her, I have to put an arm up to protect my face.
It's funny when she doesn't know one's coming "why are you-AAAAAAAH!"
Joe Alves has said that every single story boarded shot of the shark was photographed. It simply took forever because of holidaying yachts on the horizon. Jaws is a great film not by fluke but because of good writing. Spielberg was not going to do the film unless he was able to keep the shark from being fully revealed until the third act.
I agree that Nic Cage doesn't work for this movie, but I want to see the version of it where the guy whose dog gets eaten is played by Keanu Reeves.
In my mid twenties i came to the definitive conclusion that JAWS was my favourite film, before that i always cited Godfather 2 but i realized i always threw JAWS on, i would fall asleep to it…..to me it is the perfect film and for some reason i would catch heat for making that statement. I think a lot of people have only watched JAWS while it was on TV.
When you caught heat for it, what would they say?
I love this movie so much. The first time I saw it was for an English 101 class where I had to watch this movie and then write a 2000-word review.
I saw Michael Shaw's _The Shark is Broken._ I really liked the play but I had some issues with it. Shaw gave himself (playing his dad) all the dramatic speeches and as good as Shaw was playing his dad, he couldn't really carry the speeches. It was maybe 15-20 minutes too long. Finally, throughout the entire movie, they are trying to film the _Indianapolis_ speech and Roy Schieder is the one keeping a cool head as opposed to Shaw and Richard Dreyfus constantly arguing. Scheider has one scene where he nearly loses it when he is by himself. That should've been the climax of the play. Not them finally getting Shaw's _Indianapolis_ speech right.
I saw Jaws in the theater when it first came out. I never thought that Brody was looking at an appendectomy scar. I always thought it was a wound he got on the job as a NYC cop, which may have also contributed to him leaving NYC for Amity. He just didn't want to talk about the circumstances that led to the wound like it was a heroic moment and he was too humble to bring it up. Of course i may be completely wrong but i like my version better.
17:05 yes, there is... Psycho... which was ONE note
Possibly my number 1
I remember as a kid that you didn't have to rush to see a film, it would be there at least a month
Wow, is it not like that anymore? I rarely go to the actual theater anymore... no concept for that kind of thing. That's crazy.
Love this series, but the sound quality is terrible. Given the length of each episode, the sound is headache inducing.
Watching this movie while eating Buffalo Wild Wings
The barrels were in the script to begin with. They were in the book. They were not a function of the shark not working. They were used to ramp up the suspense. The shark shows up in the third act because it was written that way. Not because it didn't work.
Cal’s mic seems a little off. Great episode though.
Nicholas Cage should be the guy who says "A whaaaat?" to Hooper.
In the novel Quint drowns and the shark dies from exhaustion.
I was too young to see this movie when it came out. We were on vacation, and I found a copy of the novel where we were staying. I read it on the beach. I do not recommend reading about a shark attack followed by a swim in the ocean. Something touched my foot and I freaked out.
You, and Patrick H Williams, both make a Jaws video in the same week.
"I was told there would be no math in the making of this TorF..."
So Mean Girls ISN'T on the actual list? People, what are we even doing here
Proto Steven Spielberg: Made for TV Movie "Duel" with Dennis Weaver v.s. the monster truck. I love "Duel," which I believe is right before "Jaws."
I always think of Duel & Jaws as a great double feature. Spielberg learned while making Duel how to make a big long stiff unknowable monster, more in the imagination than on the screen, into a memorable menace.
It’s amazing how much elements have to align to make a masterpiece. Even some luck. Just take actors: there’s availability. Then, the casting have to rest their choice likely on a few different qualified actors. Make just a few different decisions and you have a different movie. And then there’s the production design, music, editing, ect…
38:05 this is why I would consider Jaws a disaster movie. It follows the formula of one person trying to get the town to respond to an environmental threat but no one listens until it's too late.
The shark not working takes it from Scream to Psycho.
Nic Cage gets a JAWS nod for being in the Indianapolis movie … missed opportunity guys
In the book the shark breaches and crashes on to the back of the Orca, then Quint gets his foot caught in ropes attached to harpoons in the shark and gets pulled under the water and drowns. The shark swims away, comes back for Brody but then just dies. It slips down into the depths with Quint trailing behind him.
How many people have never seen this movie and know nothing about it other than the name AND are still afraid of sharks?
In their defense, getting eaten is a bad way to go.
Honestly, this is a perfect movie to me. Dont think it could be any better.
Btw, doesn’t Hooper get eaten in the book? Been awhile since I read it!
In the book it's the barrels that kill the shark. It finally tires itself out dragging those damned barrels and sinks as it tries to come at Brody. Also Hooper dies first, before Quint..
7:04 Maybe the shower scene from Psycho
the shark "attacking" the cage scene was filmed BEFORE the movie and the movie was written around it... it was a happy accident... the shark wasn't attacking the cage, the shark got stuck in the cage and was trying to fight its way out of it
Yes, filmed in February 1974 off Dangerous Reef, South Australia by Ron and Valerie Taylor. Spielberg wanted more footage so they went back in March but they were threatened by locals to not chum the sharks. They tried again in April but bad weather forced them to quit. Filming on Martha's Vineyard began in May.
Funny y'all make this video after Patrick H Williams did his on this film 🤣 🤣 .
Much more likely that this was already filmed before Patrick's video was released - though I'm, not sure if it got an earlier release to his Patrons or Nebula subscribers. But yes it's amusing none the less.
Okay this is messing with me. I genuinely didn’t even realize these were two different videos in my subscription feed. I thought one was a teaser. What the actual …
I really resent that this film is 50 next year... because it is my age
I don't get it. When Jaws turns 50 next year, I turn 70. I don't resent this film for being in the Zeitgeist my whole adult life. I treasure it.
But maybe you're kidding.
I will stop watching this series if the name of John Williams is not mentioned at least once.
Yes! Nothing in Star Wars.
They do. Phew
Nick Cage as the shark.
Nick cage as Bruce the shark
Clint's #1!?
Patrick Williams proved it's not the reason it was that successful
I'm shocked to find out that Dazed and Confused didn't land in the community season... which may mean it's not even on the list which is inexcusable. Having just rewatched it two nights ago for the first time in a long time, that movie not only belongs on this Top 100 list but should've been in this season of community. Honestly i thought they would go that way this week considering it's the toking season right now... fuckin' Dan!! ugh lol.
What does MVP stand for ?
The 1970’s were full of lucky mistakes. The 2020’s are full of purposeful atrocities.
Brilliantly said!
Who is…Dan?? Are we being trolled 😛
First 100mill movie back in 75. 7th highest grossing movie ever with inflation.
I also think if the shark worked they would have edited most of it out anyway.
Spielberg also said he'd only do the movie if he can't show the shark until the second half
in the book, Hooper has an affair with Brody's wife and Hooper is killed at the end.
Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies...
In the book Brody’s wife has/had an affair with Hooper and hooper gets eaten by the shark and Brody shoots him in the sharks mouth
To be fair to Robert Shaw, a lot of production involved sitting around waiting. What else was he supposed to do to pass the time, there were no smartphones back then.
Yep. He said he would drink to relieve the boredom. I think I would have too.
Buuuuut if the shark worked would Spielberg see it is crap and still make the edit we saw?
The film was an ecological disaster from the POV of sharks. Everyone went nuts trying to exterminate them.
The correct answer is modern day Nicholas Cage as the shark.
Note: Jaw was Inspired by Godzilla during Productions
In what way?
King Kong actually.
17:16 Godzilla theme
That's not even famous.
I find Schindler's List a much better movie than Jaws, Jaws top 10?
Agreed; Jaws is awesome, but Schindler's List is easily Spielberg's magnum opus and my personal favorite film. Hope it ends up high on this list (ideally Top 10)
No way.
Acting, script, characters, editing, score, cinematography, directing, pacing. Jaws is superior in every category. Jaws is massively more quotable, memorable, iconic and rewatchable. I've literally never met anyone who's ever said "hey let's watch Schindlers List tonight". It just doesn't happen.
What? No shitty review with stupid quips and complaints?
Let me explain why Jaws would never make it into my TOP 100 list. Jaws has not stood the test of time, sorry fans that movie can go on the pile of great then, silly now. You can't watch that movie today with someone who hasn't seen it without asking "you wanna see some dumb ass movie?" The acting and story are above average yes, the music is the best part by far and might make it into my TOP 100 OST list, but the main focus of the movie the shark is so silly. It shakes the woman in the first scene in ways that had me crying from laughter the first time I watched it. I remember saying: "does this shark have legs and is it standing on the ocean floor, how else?". It never looks believable clearly and the mix with nature documentary footage is so cringy. It looks like a puppet from beginning to end. Then the worst part the demonizing of sharks that the movie sparked worldwide, causing stupid regulations on beaches with nets that killed billions of sea animals not just sharks. That alone is a horrible legacy to have for your movie. Then the conclusion, we know by now that canisters don't explode when you shoot them. Most of us watched reruns of myth busters far more often than we watched Jaws. So that absolutely did not stand the test of time. I admit I had fun the first time I watched it, but I was 15 and my standards were low. Then a few years later I watched Alien and later Aliens and except for a few scenes to this day those movies hold up surprisingly well and didn't spark the killing of sentient beings by the billions. Also let's say hypothetically you get all the directors to approve, you could even fix the 2 or 3 scenes in Alien and Aliens with some CGI and the movie would be completely believable for a whole new generation, fixing the absurdity, clear puppet look and canister shooting error of the shark in Jaws would be impossible. Therefore it wouldn't even get an honorable mention in my TOP100. Thank you for reading. Feel free to disagree, that's what loving cinema is all about, hearing and sharing the love and criticism.
Truly idiotic post. Jaws is one of the greatest films ever made and absolutely stands the test of time. Just watch every single Jaws reaction here on You Tube. I've never seen even one where anyone has said "meh". They universally love it.
Oh and beach nets have been around since the 1930s in Australia and 1950s in South Africa. No beach nets were introduced because of Jaws. It's the Asian shark finning industry and commercial gill net and long line by-catch that has decimated shark populations. Jaws initiated mass interest in sharks which then lead to the current knowledge and understanding.
Your ignorance is astonishing.
Nick Cage goes into the movie... shark's in the movie... our shark.