The Iron Triangle of Black Celebrity
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM: PAUL ROBESON
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Jared A. Ball is a Professor of Communication and Africana Studies at Morgan State University in Baltimore, MD. and author of The Myth and Propaganda of Black Buying Power (Palgrave, 2020, 2nd Edition NOW AVAILABLE!). Ball is also host of the podcast “iMiXWHATiLiKE!”, co-founder of Black Power Media which can be found at BlackPowerMedia.org, and his decades of journalism, media, writing, and political work can be found at www.imixwhatili...
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Thank you for this. Everything is political nothing is just entertainment.
Thank you, Jared. Our people need this.
Looking up Paul Robeson now
Try to get a copy of Paul Robeson: The Artist as Revolutionary by Gerald Horne.
@@flashcloud666Love it. I'm such a big fan of Gerald Horne
On the activist news Network gerald horne just did a how lecture on Paul Robeson
I wish Bro. Diallo could have been tagged in for the Dave chapelle question.
Right, as usual, Diallo would have ripped Chapelle a new a-hole... Pause😅😅😅
I agree. That was a crazy take
Great presentation, Dr. Ball. You dropped the ball on Chapelle, but no one is perfect lol
Wonderful conversation around this point that I've been making about "entertainment" and media in this country.
This video confirmed so many things for me. GREAT SHARE! Stay strong. Keep fighting…💪🏾
That was a really great talk.
Excellent presentation Dr. Ball. How do we put a halt to this ongoing slaughter by the media and advertising?
Interesting about George Orwell and his comments for Robeson.
Jared,
I would like to offer a critique of how you engage Chapelle in these moments. This audience member was rightfully confused by the propaganda of our media environment and asserted Dave Chapelle “resists” thru his comedy. While you acknowledge Chappelle merely makes commentary rather than intervening in these struggles, you don’t go far enough in separating him from Robeson by highlighting the primary contradiction: Chapelle’s open anti-“woke” rhetoric and violent transphobia in service of wealthy media platforms.
Chappelle was opportunistically presenting a conservative version of a race first analysis. It’s not just that he’s “removed from radical movements,” it’s that Chapelle actively works with the State.
Aside from his friendship with capitalist imperialists like Elon Musk or white supremacists like Joe Rogan, Chapelle is a key player in the woke imperium you criticize. There is a video of him along with celebs like Jay Z at the Obamas' Farewell Party at the White House in 2016 (presented by BET and memorialized in Ta-Nehisi Coates’ “My President Was Black” article). At the event you can see Chappelle in tears saying it was one of the most beautiful things he’s ever been a part of as Obama mouthed the lyrics to Chuck D’s live perfomance of “Fight the Power.” This is the kind of phenomenon that drives you crazy in other circumstances. You missed an opportunity to highlight this.
When people like Boyce Watkins and Roland Martin make bad faith criticisms based on misinterpreting or decontextualizing radical history, you are far less charitable. The same way I doubt you would be as charitable with celebs like Tucker Carlson or Megyn Kelly breaking away from Fox News and making accurate critiques of liberal hypocrisy. In this case, I think the context is far more important than the minor point you try to emphasize about (some) people’s negative reaction to the race first element of his argument. In fact, given the vicious oppression of queer and trans Africans I’d say you’re missing the point entirely that he’s using his alleged racial analysis to cover his transphobia which is also anti-Black. Chappelle doesn’t highlight the struggles of colonized queer and trans folk who have raised that critique of the mainstream LGBTQ+ movement since before he was born; he actively pretends like they don’t exist which is a common move in the conservative playbook. I urge you to keep this in mind the next time you discuss this topic. We must push beyond the liberal paradigm of “tolerance” and onward to gay and trans liberation. As an elder it’s important for you to make this plain.
Dam Joshua, that is very profound. I think Jared will like this. He's always waiting for good critique. Well said
Thanks. At the time of this talk DC had not appeared with Musk or come back with his last i think 2 specials. I have already updated my stance on DC since this talk.
@@desireegerber thank you 🙏🏿 ☺️
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Strong points particularly on Chappelle which I totally agree with.
Great talk. Will share.
Great!
I smashed the hell out the like button on this one #bars
Dr BAll A deep analytical discussion on paul robinson. I enjoy these. I was wondering what books can I get on paul robertson's that really explains who he was .
Paul Robeson.
Paul Robeson: The Artist as Revolutionary, by Gerald Horne
Robeson's own books "Here I Stand" and "Paul Robeson Speaks" as well as the two part bio by his son Paul Robeson Jr.
I. Am. So. Pissed right now! I am literally writing on this very topic with similar framework for my independent study at PLU with hopes that I get to present at the Dr. Rae Linda Brown Undergraduate Research and Creative Projects Showcase 2024! Gad dammit! Now I gotta readjust! Lol, thank you for the presentation unc!
Let's talk about that shirt, doc. I need it in my collection.
Of course the knowledge and analysis is always appreciated
Doc went crazy.
A really good presentation.
Great lecture Dr Jared 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 greetings from Egypt 🇪🇬
Many thanks! Greetings from Babylon!
Jared, can you make the paper available? Thanks for your work.
lol ill have to write it first.
🙌🏽❤ chapelle took the money and had no shame about it
Dope shirt Jared
tremendous presentation.
Aw shit! Here on the the early!
The mistake of Paul Roberson will never be repeated again. When someone puts a complicated concept into one sentence. I'll put that in my tool kit
Is this a reupload? Im pretty sure Ive seen it uploaded on here before
-It is a presentation from a Symposium commemorating Paul Roberson 10/10/2022, as mentioned in the show description.
That was deep, minute 27 about the infantilization in rap (art in general) and how artists like JZ and Snoop haven't grown. There's definitely a need to move beyond the same content, but most US artists don't want to deal with social reality.
30:36 i just got done watching raising kanan, 50's tv show. In the credits they acknowledge they had the support of NYC gov and the NYC Police. And its a bunch of amerikkkan flag rags all through the show.
It wouldnt let me screen shot the credits so I forgot exactly how it was worded
There's something in art called Endurance art. One japanese guy would do stuff like sit in a cell for days on end. Others would be endurance on the viewer such as you having a staring contest with the artist, I think Yoko Ono did one where it was just John's flaccid penis for 40 minutes straight lol. Sitting thru watching every Tyler Perry movie back to back, that's something akin to performance art and I applaud Dr Ball for gifting modern art such a masterpiece.
Rich, famous, and politically radical? Jimi Hendrix and Bob Marley in their most actualized manifestations. See Marley's Survival LP, and Hendrix's 69-70 phase. His Black Gold embryonic writings reveal a revolutionary mind. There are a few exceptions. Unfortunately Jimi was economically in a very precarious position, but poised to change all that at the time of his demise. Marley shared much of his wealth.
I do feel sad about Marley’s son’s politics: it’s a long way to fall to back genocide (I consider that truly the z list!) yet he continually seeks to shape our playlists and perceptions of his father’s life & legacy (most recently in a newly released feature film from Hollywood). I think ultimately Peter Tosh left a more radical legacy.
Was Hendrix politically radical? I seldom hear abt his politics
@@mate2nice I've NEVER heard anything about Hendrix being overtly politically involved. And, I lived through his time
As i said, and look at the response. Marley and Hendrix are both dead, before 30, and their images turned into something that speaks against the men that actually lived.
@@mate2nice Sorry for the late response. Jimi Hendrix spoke first and foremost with his music. Therein we discover his line of thinking and the critique he had to offer. Jimi was simultaneously a universalist, fiercely individual, and deeply steeped in black music and culture. His political relevance can be found in works like Freedom, Machine Gun, Straight Ahead, Power of Soul, Up From The Skies, House Burning Down, Somewhere, Peace in Mississippi, Message of Love, and Izabella. He was also an early Afro-futurist. In 1969-70 he would often introduce Voodoo Child Slight Return as the Black Panthers national anthem and had dialogue with the BPP. He was also in line with MLK. Jimi didn't talk politics directly. He let his music do the talking. He also was in the process of owning himself and his music, and built Electric Lady Studios as an institution base for his Heavens Research production company. His death short circuited his plans. He embodied the Fanonist construct of national culture. He was poised to reach out to bring black Americans into his sphere of influence, not in a heavy handed way, but as an organic progression of his emergent consciousness. This dimension of Hendrix is negated by the cultural imperialism that obscures a holistic understanding of what Jimi was. From slave ship to space ship, Hendrix was and remains a pantheon figure in roots music whose body of work we have yet to come to grips with.
Great talk. Chappelle answer was a bit lackluster, but all good. Have you ever looked into (or asked about) the claims that Chappelle's mom was a government asset in the Congo, with her work coinciding with the murder of Lumumba?
So many reduce this entire talk to one Chappelle answer. lol Chech imixwhatilike.org where you will find two radio interviews with Chappelle's mother.
@@BlackLiberationMedia What are the first two words of my original comment? Shit was all hits, except the Chappelle analysis (IMO), which surprised me. (I now see another comment addressing this, and your response to that as well = a change of your stance).
Anyway, I value your work and will check those interviews.
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I wasted 5 minutes of my life listening to this man. I want it back. If this is black academia, we doomed.
Nah. Chapelle is an arm of power now. He’s been outspoken in his opposition to low income housing and extremely elitist (recently brought Elon musk on stage and dapped him up) he’s a clown.
I have to push back a little on your point regarding Jay-Z's content. While I'm not as big a fan of J as I once was, doesn't the 4:44 album represent a change in tone from Dead Presidents?
Yea, the tone of a black Rothschild. Pompous elitist telling others to buy in.
You mean that 'change' that came before he told Colin Kaepernick they're past kneeling even as he never knelt? The album where he was using communal issues to push capitalism?
@@XaraK1 kill the condescension scrappy... I'm not a fan of Jay's politics or moves. I was simply pointing out the contrast in content.
Not even a little bit. I explain all of that in The Myth and Propaganda of Black Buying Power (link in description).
@@BlackLiberationMedia I'm sure a critical interpretation of the content in light of his true intentions would yield damning results. But, a literal reading/comparison shows he wasn't spitting raps about black economic empowerment on his first album. I may not believe his ass, but the content on is face is different.
White people watch Tyler Perry movies?
Both Snoop and Jay Z are older than you by many years, which makes it worse!
Dr. Ball talks a lot about content in hip hop especially Jay Z. I’m not even a Jay Z guy. My fav rapper is MF DOOM so that’s the baseline of my taste. I’m challenging Dr Ball on Jay Z content because the argument within hip hop is he that 444 and Magna Carta album was either too “bougie” or grown people music depending on who you ask. I agree with most of what he said about hip hop in general but I always have an issue with his take on age and content. I will say as a 47 year old I don’t wanna hear anything about a rapper sex life especially graphically. It’s plenty of more mature ways to express your relationship with a significant other and there’s rappers in the underground in their 40s that do that. As far as street talk I will admit that’s my guilty pleasure but I have a problem with people criticizing rappers for talking “gangster shit”. We watch white gangsters in they 40s-60s in some of our favorite movies being gangsters but as soon a a 40 yr old rapper talk the streets he faces criticism from academics and people in general saying they don’t wanna hear a 40 year old rapper with that content and the criticizer expresses how they’ve grown and don’t need to hear that. I will say a lot of the music I listen to I don’t want no children listening to it. When I’m doing Uber I turn some of my stuff off so I get it but in my personal space I’m here for the ignorant shit as long as I like the beats and rhymes. Hopefully this long ass comment made sense.
I'm 33 years young and to me imo, the biggest gangsterism is the system of WS so the white gangsters of the 40s-60s are just a reminder of that. I'm a big underground rap fan from Bk originally and have a similar street talk guilty pleasure but at the same time understand the real gangsters of this country and society at large. The gangsterism of WS is why the hip-hop industry is the way it is (not saying you weren't saying that for clarity).
@@kamanijefferson638 that’s true. I think I’m sensitive when people I respect Dr. Ball have that age and content opinion but in all fairness he’s mainly discussing mainstream and I live in the underground. I still stand by disagreeing with him on Jay Z but only in the age and content part. Other than that Jay Z is a sellout to me and I’m not down with his politics or his black capitalism at all.
He watched all Tyler Perry films for the greater good? 🫡
..and got a double dose of PTSD as a result