the more greedy they are the more money AMD will get to make better CPU and GPU. not saying AMD will not jack prices one day though. they already charging to much for GPU in my opinion. i cant believe 5500xt is as much as it is considering how close is performs to a rx580.
I think they could make like they did with some Sandy Bridge locked processors, that you were able to set an all-core clock 200MHz higher than the boost frequency and obviously let the board partners manage if they want memory overclocking or not.
That would be nice. Tbh all I need single thread performance more than anything right now (Stellaris...) and as much as I'd like to just grab a 10600k and a $60 AIO i have to spend almost as much for a motherboard that can overclock but I'd still do it if i wasn't still only getting skylake performance... in 2020.... that makes 5 years of skylake, 5 refreshes. This is pretty sad as it's not a huge upgrade over my Haswell. Ryzen's latency and ST issues keep me away even though it's way more affordable, I don't need frame rate, I need turn count performance in a memory intensive high cache miss single core game. Could be 10 fps for all I care if the turns are fast. Worse part is Sunny Cove (successor to intel 10th gen) appears to only be 2-5% IPC over launch Skylake, the 18% ipc uplift cited in Intel's marketing had little text about it being compared to skylake on the security patch that was out when the tests were done. There's of course a tiny chance it was 10th gen Skylake which has the fixes on a hardware level without a huge performance malus, but I don't think they'd stick that text there if it was. If AMD fixes their ST and latency woes with Zen 3 I'm just going team green, because otherwise I'm waiting for Golden Cove from Intel in the hopes they finally properly succeed Skylake, which double sucks because that's at least 2 gens after Sunny. Part of me is still expecting 11th gen to be 14nm+++++++++++ Skylake because Intel's marketing team cares a lot about clock speed and if their 10/7nm still isn't hitting comparable clock speeds to their 14nm I can't see them shipping it. They may just abandon the DIY market altogether considering what a small portion of their revenue it is... In that case, prepare for the cpu market to look a lot like it did from 2012-2016 except with AMD at the helm, higher prices and smaller improvements every gen. They are a corporation, just like Intel. Anyone who thinks AMD are 'their guys' don't remember the fx-9590 launching at $900. They are not better than Intel, they just haven't been in a position to fuck the consumer for a very long time. They are about to be if Zen 3 is as good as it looks.
@@Yelkwood9 get a 3300X and put it at 4.5GHz with a average B450 (don't need a high end one) you will have equivalent ST of a 5.1GHz 14nm+++++++++, very low core-to-core latency (1/4 of the latency present in other ryzen CPUs) and a upgrade path, since now u will run Zen 3 in B450 with BIOS update. The best part is that you will have a lot of upgrade potential and it will be cheaper than just picking a 10600K with a z490 and a AIO, even if you still pick the AIO for the 3300X ( but a think a decent air cooler is sufficient) To give you a ideia, I think you can even pick a entry level X570 + 3300X + Decent air cooler combo for like $ 250 less than a 10600K + Z490 + AIO combo. And you will have PCIe 4.0 and even more future support
Now we only have to wait for Intel to start shrinking their architecture. In that case, AMD is going to start pushing theirs even further Truly an amazing period if time for CPU market. Competition between brands like this is what is pushing the innovation here.
@@Anderson_Hwang Then it's not their next architecture, just another refresh. They need to move to 10nm or even 7nm and drop some of the limitations, then they could likely be very competitive
@@flamingonion7905 No, it is Intels new architecture. Intel is actually back-porting Rocket Lake to 14nm, but it is still Intels next gen architecture. It is coming with an 18% IPC improvement. We just don't know at what clocks or how consistent that 18% IPC increase will be across the board. But is indeed Intels all new architecture, just on an older process.
@@jamzqool At least 5 years. Since Skylake in fact. And if you go back and read Skylakes launch review on "Anandtech", they actually found that Skylake was slower clock for clock compared to previous gen Intel CPUs in some apps/games. Faster RAM frequency is part of the reason of what really helped Skylake and on wards. I also believe there are other website publications that picked up on the inconsistent Skylake IPC gains, when compared to previous gen Intel CPUs at the same clocks with the same RAM frequency (in some apps/games). It was a bit odd really. But yes, Intel has been losing more IPC wise from only CPU refreshes and because of spectre/meltdown then actually gaining for multiple CPU gens now. So, I am actually waiting for real world benchmarks to see how 11th gen turns out, I really don't know what to make of it yet either. Only Intel knows how consistent that 18% IPC gain is across the board. And only Intel knows what frequency 11th gen will launch at. But Ryzen isn't an sitting target either, 4000 CPUs are about to launch with what looks like some impressive gains and architecture changes/updates. And then 5000 series is actually 11th gens real competitor. So we will see what the CPU market looks like next year.
Ah yes, the year 2020. Where Intel has to drop the price of their 6 core 12 thread cpu to $150 just for it to be competitive. AMD has done something amazing to the cpu maprket.
@@saynotomanifestv3101 Uhm, AMD is not hurting Intel in any way at the moment. Look at their earnings and gross profit margins over the past two years.
I'm glad AMD's forced Intel to fix some past issues, like giving every part hyperthreading and bring back solder TIM. Now they need to be forced to allow for overclocking on mid-range motherboards and providing better stock coolers.
I think youre right, but what youll find is that a lot of intel parts can probably overclock quite well, which would in turn make the in between part number obselete. Intel have had so many platforms, which is why they can afford to get away with K variants. Its not going to be long before theyll be forced to make the move to unlocked chips and drop deadweight part numbers
@@forumowicz9499 The 3600 really should come with a Wraith Spire at minimum. Still, I believe Intel also includes this cooler with locked i7 and i9 models, so there's really no excusing them either.
@@megamind8359 This. Gamersnexus and for the most part JayzTwoCents do equally good reviews, sometimes to the point of being painfully in-depth or doing followups based on comments
I bought Ryzen 3600 on B450 Tomahawk Max in October 2019. Now I have an upgrade path for years ahead, without need to change the mainboard. I can buy 3900x if I need more background tasks or I can buy Ryzen 4600-4700x (upd: it turns out they will be 5600x-5900x) later this year, update the BIOS, open the socket and just change the CPU. That's it. Now Intel sells a stripped-down stub of a mainboard called B460 for almost $200. And I can't overclock neither CPU, nor memory on it. So I need to get Z490 if I want my CPU to perform to its fullest potential. Do they seriously think that people are so stupid that anyone would consider wasting so much money on a one-time platform that will most likely become obsolete overpriced trash already by this November? You know, Intel, I've been tolerating you for too long. Fuck you.
"Do they seriously think that people are so stupid that anyone would consider wasting so much money on a one-time platform that will most likely become obsolete overpriced trash already by this November?" Yes, they do. Unfortunately, they are correct.
Just how tables have turned. Now the i5 10400f retails at eur 130 and is an absolute budget option. And if you get the R5 3600, you'd be lucky to get it at the MSRP of eur 200...
Thats for people who dont have their own oppinion and cant think of their own. You really should watch the whole video and form opinion of your own. Lazy
@@n1kobg Facts were laid out. You have to pay significantly for a decent motherboard to accompany the new processor, and that adds into the cost as well. It's not a good value at all.
Interestingly, seven months later, the 3600 has gone up in price whilst the 10400 has dropped. Here in the UK, the Intel CPU is now around £40 cheaper which puts a whole new perspective on this contest, especially if your focus is gaming.
The biggest issue with the Intel option is the B460 chipset has crippled memory performance and Z490 is too expensive for a budget build like this. Rumours are B560 in March will remove the memory limitations and could offer a decent low-cost alternative platform to compete with AMD's B550.
Hey, thanks for including Aus prices in your video! You don't always do it, which is a real shame, because it's only a few seconds extra work. If you included local prices in every video I'm sure your Aussie audience would appreciate it!!
actually Bitwit did recommend the 10400... Because they tested with 3600mhz ram, which wont work with any realistic board this CPU will be paired with (so b or h series chipset).
well if you use logic it makes sense. who knows what you will even be able to upgrade to with a intel mother board. if you buy b550 or something like a b450 tomahawk you are guaranteed a decent upgrade if you start with a 3600 or 3300. plus you get a better stock cooler with actual heat pipes, overclocking pcie 4.0 if you wait for b550, better ram support. might be other stuff im not thinking off too. oh less power draw when you upgrade to an 8 core if you do so easier to cool.
The key here is a 3600 is more than enough and money spent need to be put on the GPU to make sure you maximize your GPU as it's probably going to be the bottleneck. a low tiers CPU like the 3600 or the 10400 can somewhat compete with a 10900k if both have the best GPU. The opposite isn't true, a radeon 570 or Geforce 1050 can't compete with a 2080 ti even if you put all of them on a 10900K. The CPU wars is a bit overated. the one that really matter for performance is the GPU wars.
@@Uachtar That's only true for gaming, in a lot of professional applications you will see a lot more benefit from the CPU. It really depends what you're doing, if you're just gaming on the side on a pc primarily for work, I'd drop that cash for a 3900X or even threadripper any day and then settle for a 2060KO since that's going to give me really good application performance in a lot of cases.
Steve, you’re making my PC upgrade path too simple with logic and math! I usually just stare at my NewEgg cart for a month and then impulse buy something. 😂
@@alrizo1115 I jumped from Intel's sinking ship to join team red. I thought the $85 Ryzen 5 1600AF was a hell of a deal. Now there's the 1200AF, the 3100 and the 3300X. Also, with the "refreshed" 3000 line of CPU's, and APU's is all but confirmed at this point, Intel is not looking good right now.
I stumbled on this video at the end of 2020 and pricing has changed! Newegg currently lists the 5-3600 at $240 and the 10400 at $180 however I think the 5-3600 is only available from scalpers on ebay at even higher prices. Despite the good reviews of the Ryzen processors, at scalper prices they are definitely not worth it. Also it is interesting that the 10400 is close to performance of the 10600 and only around 2/3 of its price.
Might be worth looking at the 10400F instead of the 10400. Price is more competitive (UK prices): 10400 £200 3600 £180 10400F £170 (no UHD630 graphics, otherwise same spec)
I guess you inadvertently reviewed the 10th gen i3's with this review. Their clock speeds aren't any higher, and they're also limited to 2666 memory, so they're likely DOA vs the 3300X. Damnit Intel, step up your game in the budget market. EDIT: Jarrod's Tech just uploaded a review of the i3 10100, go watch it!
@@RinoAP i wouldn't call ppl who aren't into tech fanboy. most of the peep around me don't even bother looking at which gen of the processor they're gonna be buying. all they know is i3, i5, and i7.
@@RinoAP nah, definitely uninformed is a good word to describe. My uncle buys intel simply because he only knew intel. Once i told him about ryzen, he switched immediately. I'd say the vast majority of people are like that. intel did dominate for a good decade after all.
3300x with b550 and maybe rx5600xt or rtx 2060. but i feel like waiting around 6 months to 9 months for a rtx 3060 is a better option for me. power supply's and PC cases are jacked up in price right now too.
I have never understood this, yeah the TDP's were higher but the temps were lower and I know I'd prefer that over higher core temps (how many complained about the high thermal output of a 3930k or 5960x?). When an i3 3220 was 65w I'd happily take double the capability for double the wattage. Then you got 3770k's where if you did a mild overclock they'd run into the 75-85c like wtf? Then people started to cut the tops off to try and knock a few degrees off. If you did a baller overclock at 1.3v you could get upto 90's, I had to be really careful overclocking clients systems at the time. www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/cpu-cooler-roundup-2013-q1-review,11.html Meanwhile I had an FX8320 and with a hyper 212 I'd start getting nervous if It ever touched 70c at 4.5Ghz while transcoding videos etc, It'd get a cinebench of ~700 aswell for the same £100 as an i3. They were fucking badass. I've had and tested every cpu in the last 20 years and in the last 10 years my favourites were the fx8320, 5820k and ryzen 2700x and 2500k to the point I still have them all while the rest were sold on.
r5 3600 performs better at application by a large margin. While 10400 works better at games with a slight difference in fps. r5 3600 is still a better option. But if someone will solely use their pc for gaming 10400 is a better choice as it's cheaper.
Fast forward to the end of 2020 (in the UK) - the 3300X is unavailable, the 3600 is still sitting at £190, and the 10400F can be bought for £140... a whole year of "buy AMD" has had a huge impact on prices and availability. If you could get an affordable motherboard for the 10400 that didn't limit RAM speed then it would be a major player for budget gaming builds.
@hardwareunboxed The tables have turned on this match-up in terms of pricing now, at least in the UK. The Ryzen 5 3600 is heavily overpriced at the moment going for £185-200 new, whereas you can pick up the i5 10400 or 10400f variant for £150 or so delivered. That's a considerable saving and with basic motherboard costs for either socket being about equal it is very much an option worth considering.
I don't find the upgrade path to this CPU very interesting, I even doubt Intel would stick with the chipset, or even the socket, and zen 3 is around the corner, looks like Intel is the one playing catch up now
@@dubya85 people who waste money.I buy a CPU and use it until it doesn't do what i need it to do.And that isn't one year. So the upgrade path discussion has no sense
Those new time stamps when scribing along the watch bar are money!! Just hover the mouse over certain sections of the video and it tells you the subject of the content at that particular time! Timestamps in comments improved! Thanks a lot, thumbs up for this and the content!
AMD won here, but I'm so glad to see Intel and AMD competing with each other like this. The pressure between these two companies is the strongest it's been in years and in the end no matter the victor, we, the consumer come out on top. It's been 3 years since Ryzen launched, but I just can't stop being happy about the situation, especially after the years we went without competition after Sandy bridge launched. Now I hope one day soon we can get this going in the GPU market. PS: Totally unrelated, but I love that we're still getting PS/2 KB/M ports on these new motherboards.
Can I buy R5 3600 now?? Or should I wait for 4th Gen?? I have a 1650 super... The reason am buying an overkill processor is that I will do recording and editing... Give me your opinion...
I don't understand why you would advise against the 150$ Z490 boards based on "weak VRMs and lackluster features" when the reason you talked about them in the first place was memory overclocking, on a locked CPU. You don't need a lot of VRM to power a 10400. RAM OC is _the_ feature you're looking for when you want more performance.
Since the i5 10400 is about 160$-170$ nowadays I Chose the i5 10400 its way better then getting a r5 3600 since its 200$ now and the i5 10400 gets 5-10 more fps. Plus with that extra 30-40 dollars on the i5 10400 you can buy an even better cooler than the Ryzen 5 3600 stock cooler.
The old Intel cooler was better, it had a copper block core. They removed it ages ago, its all alumn and really noisy, the fan ball bearing has this terrible whine.
@@SilverforceX Even one of the older systems I have, a Pentium from 2009 on an LGA 775 motherboard with the stock cooler, makes that same exact awful squeaky noise from the stock cooler's fan and it's annoying
I don't regret buying the R5 3600 for Christmas last year. It's good to see Intel doing what they can with what they've got to at least try getting competitive CPUs out there - if you're building a PC from scratch, 10th gen has some much better options than 9th gen - but it's still not good enough, I guess. Either way, better products, more competition, I'm happy to see it.
How the table has turn. I was thinking of getting the Ryzen 5 3600 but it is either unavailable or price has increase by at least 50% + MSRP (in my country). The i5 10400 is actually not a bad deal and if you run on slower RAM like 2666 mhz and dont want to upgrade, intel is less punishing than Ryzen because Ryzen hates low speed memory.
Great review as expected, especially coming after GN and their 2666 exposé. Though I was wondering why you didn't include a 65W power-limited configuration, as I wouldn't imagine B460 and H410 boards to allow indefinite boosting.
Probably slightly better than the 3600. It's a generational cash grab. It's not like a difference you'll see from a processor 10 years ago compared to today.
I get why you leveled the playing floor with the CPU cooler, and z390 to match memory speeds but it would be interesting to see some of these results with say the stock cooler used on each. For example select the top 3 games where intel has clear advantage and the retest just those at 1080p with each respective stock cooler used to get a real "stock out of the box" experience! As always keep up the great work and content!
Watching this on February 19th ’21 the price is lower for the intel. I bought the i5 10400F for $150 and the Ryzen 5 3600 is $200….still rocking the GTX1050ti because that's all I could get these days. Seems to me that Intel is listening to hardware unboxed. I'm still looking for my first opportunity to build a Ryzen based computer though.
At this point of the year great review, I´ve got the I5 10400 for 145$ and the Z490 MB planning to get for 139$, besides that the AMD Ryzen 3600 has disappeared from the market.
If they change the cooler all the other CPU data becomes invalid. Use your brain. Plus, neither CPU throttles with the stock cooler so the result would barely change. The 3600 might boost 50-100Mhz lower in productivity but thats it.
And now,this Intel can be purchased for 159$ , while 3600 costs minimum 199$ , but it can go to over well over 200$ according to pcpartpicker.com . EDIT: 3600 just went into 3700X MSRP region lmao. Few hours ago on 20.12.20. EU time . EDIT2:Well briefly. Now it is 219$ lol
Excellent. Something I didn't notice was the coolers used and the overall noise of the systems. Did you use the stock coolers? If so would you please comment on the noise levels?
Intel is still sitting on their laurels. They were the top dog for so long they just dont want to accept change. Are intel better for gaming? yes, but...not such a landslide that its worth usually the extra costs. in most cases, adding the processor and board costs usually comes out to be enough price diff that a AMD system can get a whole other part included in the build for...what...5-10fps? not worth. Get AMD. Lets try again next year Intel, change your arc and pricing and lets see if you can do better.
Cool. I don't care about saving money so you can't sell me. You'll only sell to those who care about price to performance overall. Where I don't care about that either.
This 100%. Especially since a lot of set-ups run GPU limited anyways, turning that 5-10 fps difference into the opposite because the CPU cannibalized the GPU budget. Paying more money for better performance at low resolutions makes no sense for most people. Id rather have the ability to go to 1440p or 4k, or even run a VR headset instead of buying another 1080p monitor.
@@hgr3180 Even if money is no object if you know how to apply the benchmarks to the real world and the actual setups people buy, you understand Intel is still DOA for gaming except for a tiny niche use case. Why? Because the fps difference is unnoticeable in real world use unless you are playing competitively at a pro level and have a 2080 ti with a 240hrz 1080P display and most importantly of all have the skills to take advantage of it. That is the reality. If you are just an average gamer who wants to have fun (the overwhelming majority) or dont even play FPS games, the set up that makes a Intel cpu faster than an AMD cpu by more than single digit fps is flushing money down the toilet for no practical benefit. It's not about saving money. It's about not wasting it and sacrificing resolution and graphic fidelity for literally no benefit at all except childish FPS bragging rights. The vast majority should be using a higher end gpu to play at 1440P 100-144 fps or 4K 60-80 fps or something like an RX 580 or 1060 at 1080P depending on budget. And in either case an R5 3600 on like a B450 board is more than enough. Anything more expensive in the cpu department will have no practical benefit for gaming or anything else for that mater for 99% of people. This is why Intel needs unlocked i5s and full memory overclocking on the B and H boards. Without it they can't compete in the only price segment that the overwhelming majority of cpu buyers should be looking at regardless of their budget.
Jesus!!!! Finally a review/comparison that's not all over the place, or being biased towards one of the platforms. Now it would be cool to see, what happens when you throw in a 3600 cl16 kit manually tweaked in to the mix. Micron e-die comes really close to b-die, while barely costing 10-15 bucks more than the cheapest 3200 cl16 kit. I would like to see what 3600 cl 15-15-15-30-44-306-1 looks on ryzen, and 3800-4000 cl16-17 looks on Intel. Both achievable with the same micron e-die kit, with 1.4v or less. You can simulate this with the b-die kit you have. Pretty sure, at least one of them will go straight to the top of the chart along with the 10900k.
@@zangetsu6638 ...Which matters how? -_- These CPU's are mostly for gaming rigs, and Adobe added Nvidia/AMD GPU acceleration meaning QuickSync is no longer a "major" beneficial feature of going Intel. And if you REALLY want an iGPU, the 8c/16t Ryzen 7 4700G is about to come out and will roflstomp all over these i5.
@@Cooe. it matter for the people that aren't gaming on their computers. i disagree with your opinion that these cpus are mostly for gaming rigs. there will be a BAZILLION people that get the i5 because they don't want to be forced to buy a card like they would if they went with amd.
Agree Intel need price drop + memory OC on lower boards to compete on the lower end 🤔
the more greedy they are the more money AMD will get to make better CPU and GPU. not saying AMD will not jack prices one day though. they already charging to much for GPU in my opinion. i cant believe 5500xt is as much as it is considering how close is performs to a rx580.
And oc on every cpu
I think they could make like they did with some Sandy Bridge locked processors, that you were able to set an all-core clock 200MHz higher than the boost frequency and obviously let the board partners manage if they want memory overclocking or not.
That would be nice. Tbh all I need single thread performance more than anything right now (Stellaris...) and as much as I'd like to just grab a 10600k and a $60 AIO i have to spend almost as much for a motherboard that can overclock but I'd still do it if i wasn't still only getting skylake performance... in 2020.... that makes 5 years of skylake, 5 refreshes. This is pretty sad as it's not a huge upgrade over my Haswell. Ryzen's latency and ST issues keep me away even though it's way more affordable, I don't need frame rate, I need turn count performance in a memory intensive high cache miss single core game. Could be 10 fps for all I care if the turns are fast. Worse part is Sunny Cove (successor to intel 10th gen) appears to only be 2-5% IPC over launch Skylake, the 18% ipc uplift cited in Intel's marketing had little text about it being compared to skylake on the security patch that was out when the tests were done. There's of course a tiny chance it was 10th gen Skylake which has the fixes on a hardware level without a huge performance malus, but I don't think they'd stick that text there if it was. If AMD fixes their ST and latency woes with Zen 3 I'm just going team green, because otherwise I'm waiting for Golden Cove from Intel in the hopes they finally properly succeed Skylake, which double sucks because that's at least 2 gens after Sunny.
Part of me is still expecting 11th gen to be 14nm+++++++++++ Skylake because Intel's marketing team cares a lot about clock speed and if their 10/7nm still isn't hitting comparable clock speeds to their 14nm I can't see them shipping it. They may just abandon the DIY market altogether considering what a small portion of their revenue it is... In that case, prepare for the cpu market to look a lot like it did from 2012-2016 except with AMD at the helm, higher prices and smaller improvements every gen. They are a corporation, just like Intel.
Anyone who thinks AMD are 'their guys' don't remember the fx-9590 launching at $900. They are not better than Intel, they just haven't been in a position to fuck the consumer for a very long time. They are about to be if Zen 3 is as good as it looks.
@@Yelkwood9 get a 3300X and put it at 4.5GHz with a average B450 (don't need a high end one) you will have equivalent ST of a 5.1GHz 14nm+++++++++, very low core-to-core latency (1/4 of the latency present in other ryzen CPUs) and a upgrade path, since now u will run Zen 3 in B450 with BIOS update.
The best part is that you will have a lot of upgrade potential and it will be cheaper than just picking a 10600K with a z490 and a AIO, even if you still pick the AIO for the 3300X ( but a think a decent air cooler is sufficient)
To give you a ideia, I think you can even pick a entry level X570 + 3300X + Decent air cooler combo for like $ 250 less than a 10600K + Z490 + AIO combo.
And you will have PCIe 4.0 and even more future support
I did make a great decision by buying 3600 earlier this year :D
you did
not joking
Meeto
Me too!
Same
it very well almost matches the 2.5 year old 8700K in games....
Now we only have to wait for Intel to start shrinking their architecture. In that case, AMD is going to start pushing theirs even further
Truly an amazing period if time for CPU market. Competition between brands like this is what is pushing the innovation here.
their next architecture "Rocket lake" is still 14nm....
@@Anderson_Hwang Then it's not their next architecture, just another refresh. They need to move to 10nm or even 7nm and drop some of the limitations, then they could likely be very competitive
@@flamingonion7905 No, it is Intels new architecture. Intel is actually back-porting Rocket Lake to 14nm, but it is still Intels next gen architecture.
It is coming with an 18% IPC improvement. We just don't know at what clocks or how consistent that 18% IPC increase will be across the board.
But is indeed Intels all new architecture, just on an older process.
@@joeyvdm1 lol, an ipc improvement from intel? we've been waiting for that for about 5years maybe?
@@jamzqool At least 5 years. Since Skylake in fact. And if you go back and read Skylakes launch review on "Anandtech", they actually found that Skylake was slower clock for clock compared to previous gen Intel CPUs in some apps/games.
Faster RAM frequency is part of the reason of what really helped Skylake and on wards. I also believe there are other website publications that picked up on the inconsistent Skylake IPC gains, when compared to previous gen Intel CPUs at the same clocks with the same RAM frequency (in some apps/games).
It was a bit odd really. But yes, Intel has been losing more IPC wise from only CPU refreshes and because of spectre/meltdown then actually gaining for multiple CPU gens now.
So, I am actually waiting for real world benchmarks to see how 11th gen turns out, I really don't know what to make of it yet either. Only Intel knows how consistent that 18% IPC gain is across the board. And only Intel knows what frequency 11th gen will launch at.
But Ryzen isn't an sitting target either, 4000 CPUs are about to launch with what looks like some impressive gains and architecture changes/updates. And then 5000 series is actually 11th gens real competitor. So we will see what the CPU market looks like next year.
Ah yes, the year 2020. Where Intel has to drop the price of their 6 core 12 thread cpu to $150 just for it to be competitive. AMD has done something amazing to the cpu maprket.
And the thing is.. They aren't actually competitive.
also the year 2020, where cpus cant function properly without 3 pound coolers the size of a stove
@@saynotomanifestv3101 Uhm, AMD is not hurting Intel in any way at the moment. Look at their earnings and gross profit margins over the past two years.
@@willo1358 don't tell me you've already forgotten about the fx 9590
@@jaredholcomb2533 or even the Pentium D
Intel's stock cooler looks like they found strap metal at the junk yard and just stuck an Intel sticker on it 😂
Lol
Dont insult scrap metal, steel and copper trash is still worth something
Intel took copper out of their stock coolers over a decade ago.
To be fair though, AMD also removed copper from the Wraith Spire models recently.
MAN THAT WAS SUPER NASTY
I'm glad AMD's forced Intel to fix some past issues, like giving every part hyperthreading and bring back solder TIM. Now they need to be forced to allow for overclocking on mid-range motherboards and providing better stock coolers.
I think youre right, but what youll find is that a lot of intel parts can probably overclock quite well, which would in turn make the in between part number obselete. Intel have had so many platforms, which is why they can afford to get away with K variants. Its not going to be long before theyll be forced to make the move to unlocked chips and drop deadweight part numbers
i5 10400f (load) 77 stock cooler
ryzen 3600 (load) 95 stock cooler (tech city yes)
AMD turned an i7 into an i3 in an little as 36 months
@@Realtime1501 lol
@@forumowicz9499 The 3600 really should come with a Wraith Spire at minimum. Still, I believe Intel also includes this cooler with locked i7 and i9 models, so there's really no excusing them either.
Super :)
You the only few that I trust when it comes to reviews! Thanks!
Try not to get all your info from only one source.
@@megamind8359 This. Gamersnexus and for the most part JayzTwoCents do equally good reviews, sometimes to the point of being painfully in-depth or doing followups based on comments
And I always see the Ryzen 3300x result. That's really a good proc.
Amd doesnt know thats tge best budget for nedium graphic the least at high recimmended medium
zilia hui speling on poinnt
@@spiceptergames5118 LMAO
especially 1440p is great
zilia actually, the higher the graphics the better the 3300x will be.
I already know the outcome of this battle. But i shall watch it anyway harbor unboxed!
Kek, I know! Why does Intel even try at this point?
... Wait, they aren't.
This gag just doesn’t get old 😅
The reasons why you should buy an Intel CPU:
1)To make AMD buyers happier by encouraging Intel to launch more CPU's like these
I bought Ryzen 3600 on B450 Tomahawk Max in October 2019. Now I have an upgrade path for years ahead, without need to change the mainboard. I can buy 3900x if I need more background tasks or I can buy Ryzen 4600-4700x (upd: it turns out they will be 5600x-5900x) later this year, update the BIOS, open the socket and just change the CPU. That's it.
Now Intel sells a stripped-down stub of a mainboard called B460 for almost $200. And I can't overclock neither CPU, nor memory on it. So I need to get Z490 if I want my CPU to perform to its fullest potential. Do they seriously think that people are so stupid that anyone would consider wasting so much money on a one-time platform that will most likely become obsolete overpriced trash already by this November?
You know, Intel, I've been tolerating you for too long. Fuck you.
Oh, there definitely are. Plenty. And Intel is making tons of revenue on them.
no they just want higher price marketplace. most people have logs of monay to buy their high end cpus for 800-1200€/$ no problem.
imagine if you buy propcesor for 200€ you are on botom of the line.
B450 can only support up to 4th gen. AMD were even considering drop it's support in favor of B550
"Do they seriously think that people are so stupid that anyone would consider wasting so much money on a one-time platform that will most likely become obsolete overpriced trash already by this November?"
Yes, they do. Unfortunately, they are correct.
NOT gonna change my motherboard again, come on Intel...
Not to mention its still the same 5 years old architecture. What a fail by Intel.
The government should honestly sue them for e waste.
@James Smith Hey dude Im talking architecture, not platform :) and by architecture I mean 14nm process
Yes you are, to AMD. Joinnnn usssss 😈
meanwhile I comfortably run my 3rd ryzen on my x370 board ^^
Just how tables have turned. Now the i5 10400f retails at eur 130 and is an absolute budget option. And if you get the R5 3600, you'd be lucky to get it at the MSRP of eur 200...
11:56 this is what you guys looking for
Saved me 10 mins. Thanks man.
Thats for people who dont have their own oppinion and cant think of their own. You really should watch the whole video and form opinion of your own. Lazy
😂😂 thanks. Feel bad for steve though. He could've kept the video 2 min long.
@@n1kobg Facts were laid out. You have to pay significantly for a decent motherboard to accompany the new processor, and that adds into the cost as well. It's not a good value at all.
@@n1kobg there is nothing to think about lol
Interestingly, seven months later, the 3600 has gone up in price whilst the 10400 has dropped. Here in the UK, the Intel CPU is now around £40 cheaper which puts a whole new perspective on this contest, especially if your focus is gaming.
Agreed. In Canada and currently could get a i5-10500 w/ motherboard for cheaper than a 3600 w/ motherboard.
The biggest issue with the Intel option is the B460 chipset has crippled memory performance and Z490 is too expensive for a budget build like this. Rumours are B560 in March will remove the memory limitations and could offer a decent low-cost alternative platform to compete with AMD's B550.
Here in too Asia toooo those video confused me coz here intel way is way cheaper than the Ryzen in my area
In New Zealand, R5 3600 is $400 and i5 10600k is $400. I5 10400F is only $240.
@@glenharland5287 the logic in that lo
We all knew the outcome but we all still watched
Hey, thanks for including Aus prices in your video! You don't always do it, which is a real shame, because it's only a few seconds extra work.
If you included local prices in every video I'm sure your Aussie audience would appreciate it!!
Intel:"add this channel to our blacklist!"
nallen100 not more expensive, yes it does get more fps, like 2% .
Its been on that list for like a 2 years I guess
But sir, if we had anymore no one will be able to cover it anymore. And we're technically still in the lead, so I'm going to cut the damn cake.
Actually all three companies (intel, Nvidia, AMD) and board partners (except ASUS) accept criticism they are not 10 year old kids
@nallen100 What? A tomahawk max is $115 and that's top- end for the chipset. And good luck running this on z390
So basically, get an R5 3600? Seems like all tech channels have something in common.
actually Bitwit did recommend the 10400... Because they tested with 3600mhz ram, which wont work with any realistic board this CPU will be paired with (so b or h series chipset).
well if you use logic it makes sense. who knows what you will even be able to upgrade to with a intel mother board. if you buy b550 or something like a b450 tomahawk you are guaranteed a decent upgrade if you start with a 3600 or 3300. plus you get a better stock cooler with actual heat pipes, overclocking pcie 4.0 if you wait for b550, better ram support. might be other stuff im not thinking off too. oh less power draw when you upgrade to an 8 core if you do so easier to cool.
3600/3300x with a cheap b450/550 And you can't go wrong
The key here is a 3600 is more than enough and money spent need to be put on the GPU to make sure you maximize your GPU as it's probably going to be the bottleneck. a low tiers CPU like the 3600 or the 10400 can somewhat compete with a 10900k if both have the best GPU. The opposite isn't true, a radeon 570 or Geforce 1050 can't compete with a 2080 ti even if you put all of them on a 10900K. The CPU wars is a bit overated. the one that really matter for performance is the GPU wars.
@@Uachtar That's only true for gaming, in a lot of professional applications you will see a lot more benefit from the CPU. It really depends what you're doing, if you're just gaming on the side on a pc primarily for work, I'd drop that cash for a 3900X or even threadripper any day and then settle for a 2060KO since that's going to give me really good application performance in a lot of cases.
I just love the fact they HAD to bring back HT, even though they didn't want to.
desktop i5 never had HT though, so they brought it to i5 for the first time
@@igoresque even i3 have it now all thanks to competition. I wish someone does the same to Nvidia
(i5 650 leaves the chat)
@ageofbogyo What? HT is disabled now? in OS?
Steve, you’re making my PC upgrade path too simple with logic and math! I usually just stare at my NewEgg cart for a month and then impulse buy something. 😂
How the fuk did you join youtube in 2006? your a real OG
Picked up a 3600 for 150gbp the other day. Love AMD
all this new benchmarks makes *the 3300X shines even more* imho
like LITERALLY that Processor is a Beast Considering that Price point mate!
3300x is beating the hell out of intel's budget lineup
@@alrizo1115 Intel & Budget? Are you smoking something? ;-)
@@alrizo1115 I jumped from Intel's sinking ship to join team red. I thought the $85 Ryzen 5 1600AF was a hell of a deal. Now there's the 1200AF, the 3100 and the 3300X. Also, with the "refreshed" 3000 line of CPU's, and APU's is all but confirmed at this point, Intel is not looking good right now.
cpu with 4/8 in 2020 is not shiny....
This video did not age well. The ryzen 5 3600 is now around $200 USD, while you can find a 10400 for around $160
Intel coolers look like a headcrab from Half-Life
Dude! Not when I'm eating... I totally spat my dinner at the screen. That was funny! : )
😂😂😂
Love the segmentation on the video timeline for each section. That's awesome!
Yay more blue bar graphs :) thanks Steve
I stumbled on this video at the end of 2020 and pricing has changed! Newegg currently lists the 5-3600 at $240 and the 10400 at $180 however I think the 5-3600 is only available from scalpers on ebay at even higher prices. Despite the good reviews of the Ryzen processors, at scalper prices they are definitely not worth it. Also it is interesting that the 10400 is close to performance of the 10600 and only around 2/3 of its price.
Might be worth looking at the 10400F instead of the 10400. Price is more competitive (UK prices):
10400 £200
3600 £180
10400F £170 (no UHD630 graphics, otherwise same spec)
The 3600 is pretty constantly on offer under £150 at the moment
151 right now in the UK on Amazon.
Well
In my area:
3600: 179€
10400: 207€
Choice is clear
Also cheapest mobo for i5 is $150 where amd you can buy a decent mobo at $85. So choice is clear
also motherboard for 10400: 200 bucks
in Germany the cheaper 10400 are "tray sku" = no cooler included
You can also buy ryzen 2600 which costs 50€ less than 3600 and 90€ less than i5 10400
For me also at the same price ,the choice its clear : AMD. The AM4 future proof was (and still is...) Superior all day long. No doubt for me.
I guess you inadvertently reviewed the 10th gen i3's with this review. Their clock speeds aren't any higher, and they're also limited to 2666 memory, so they're likely DOA vs the 3300X. Damnit Intel, step up your game in the budget market.
EDIT: Jarrod's Tech just uploaded a review of the i3 10100, go watch it!
Idio... I mean uninformed people will sadly buy Intel anyway...
@@GewelReal let me correct you. Fanboy
They got nuthin
@@RinoAP i wouldn't call ppl who aren't into tech fanboy. most of the peep around me don't even bother looking at which gen of the processor they're gonna be buying. all they know is i3, i5, and i7.
@@RinoAP nah, definitely uninformed is a good word to describe. My uncle buys intel simply because he only knew intel. Once i told him about ryzen, he switched immediately.
I'd say the vast majority of people are like that. intel did dominate for a good decade after all.
anyone looking at 3300x? how close it is!!!!
BEAST mate!
3300x with b550 and maybe rx5600xt or rtx 2060. but i feel like waiting around 6 months to 9 months for a rtx 3060 is a better option for me. power supply's and PC cases are jacked up in price right now too.
I am looking forward next year because i will get a job at that time haha
3300x is a beast. Pair it with b550. You got a good upgrade path
@droid mbut it should
I bought a Ryzen 2700 for £120 around the black Friday deals from Amazon here in the UK. What a bargain that's turned out to be.
Great work as Always Steve!! Can't wait for some VRM Motherboard Benchmark Testing!! ♨💯😎
Last time I was this early amd was selling fx space heaters
Yep, I remember those Intel fireplaces from 2001. The pendulum swings.
Oh yeah it does...
oh how the turntables
And that’s the time I regret buying an FX 9590
I have never understood this, yeah the TDP's were higher but the temps were lower and I know I'd prefer that over higher core temps (how many complained about the high thermal output of a 3930k or 5960x?). When an i3 3220 was 65w I'd happily take double the capability for double the wattage.
Then you got 3770k's where if you did a mild overclock they'd run into the 75-85c like wtf? Then people started to cut the tops off to try and knock a few degrees off. If you did a baller overclock at 1.3v you could get upto 90's, I had to be really careful overclocking clients systems at the time.
www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/cpu-cooler-roundup-2013-q1-review,11.html
Meanwhile I had an FX8320 and with a hyper 212 I'd start getting nervous if It ever touched 70c at 4.5Ghz while transcoding videos etc, It'd get a cinebench of ~700 aswell for the same £100 as an i3. They were fucking badass.
I've had and tested every cpu in the last 20 years and in the last 10 years my favourites were the fx8320, 5820k and ryzen 2700x and 2500k to the point I still have them all while the rest were sold on.
r5 3600 performs better at application by a large margin. While 10400 works better at games with a slight difference in fps. r5 3600 is still a better option. But if someone will solely use their pc for gaming 10400 is a better choice as it's cheaper.
@Jovica Jevtic ikr it's all about the prices. Buy the one that's cheaper but better.
Fast forward to the end of 2020 (in the UK) - the 3300X is unavailable, the 3600 is still sitting at £190, and the 10400F can be bought for £140... a whole year of "buy AMD" has had a huge impact on prices and availability. If you could get an affordable motherboard for the 10400 that didn't limit RAM speed then it would be a major player for budget gaming builds.
@hardwareunboxed The tables have turned on this match-up in terms of pricing now, at least in the UK. The Ryzen 5 3600 is heavily overpriced at the moment going for £185-200 new, whereas you can pick up the i5 10400 or 10400f variant for £150 or so delivered. That's a considerable saving and with basic motherboard costs for either socket being about equal it is very much an option worth considering.
how times change, today i5 10400 175$ and ryzen 5 3600 +300$.
Love the new format, Hopefully all of your video from now will be like this.
I don't find the upgrade path to this CPU very interesting, I even doubt Intel would stick with the chipset, or even the socket, and zen 3 is around the corner, looks like Intel is the one playing catch up now
It has the same upgrade path as Ryzen, Zen 3 will be the last AM4 CPU.Who buys a CPU every year?Except AMD fanboys not happy with their performance?
Intel is investing in KY right now
@@EVIL19231 who will be happy knowing the next generation will have more than single digit gains over the current one?
@@EVIL19231 amen brother.
@@dubya85 people who waste money.I buy a CPU and use it until it doesn't do what i need it to do.And that isn't one year.
So the upgrade path discussion has no sense
I already ordered an i5 10400F, good video as always
A better comparison would be the intel core I5-10400f as this has no iGPU like the Ryzen 5 3600.
Once that part actual exists we'll test it.
Those new time stamps when scribing along the watch bar are money!!
Just hover the mouse over certain sections of the video and it tells you the subject of the content at that particular time!
Timestamps in comments improved!
Thanks a lot, thumbs up for this and the content!
I'm getting the 10400F for 150€.
The 3600 is 210€ here in Sweden :/
So for me right now I think its the right choice
Yea that’s like me in Australia a 3600 is 320 dollars and a 10400 is 220
just build my new pc with it yesterday. Upgrading from a fx-8350... It rocks! :D
@@cooperjames9383 what motherboard did you choose? In my country it is the same. 10400 is much cheaper than the Ryzen 3600.
@@killuadre9176 I’m probs not the person for that
Intel Core i5-10400F Tray. 125€ www.bestprice.gr/item/2156270180/intel-core-i5-10400f-tray.html
10400 is cheaper than 3600 now, 10400f is even cheaper.
AMD won here, but I'm so glad to see Intel and AMD competing with each other like this. The pressure between these two companies is the strongest it's been in years and in the end no matter the victor, we, the consumer come out on top. It's been 3 years since Ryzen launched, but I just can't stop being happy about the situation, especially after the years we went without competition after Sandy bridge launched.
Now I hope one day soon we can get this going in the GPU market.
PS: Totally unrelated, but I love that we're still getting PS/2 KB/M ports on these new motherboards.
Can I buy R5 3600 now?? Or should I wait for 4th Gen?? I have a 1650 super... The reason am buying an overkill processor is that I will do recording and editing... Give me your opinion...
Intel's milking starts to backfire.
Thanks intel for great processor to cut ryzen price
Lol those are real price intel want to charge cash wothout value for the money
I don't understand why you would advise against the 150$ Z490 boards based on "weak VRMs and lackluster features" when the reason you talked about them in the first place was memory overclocking, on a locked CPU.
You don't need a lot of VRM to power a 10400. RAM OC is _the_ feature you're looking for when you want more performance.
Since the i5 10400 is about 160$-170$ nowadays I Chose the i5 10400 its way better then getting a r5 3600 since its 200$ now and the i5 10400 gets 5-10 more fps. Plus with that extra 30-40 dollars on the i5 10400 you can buy an even better cooler than the Ryzen 5 3600 stock cooler.
I've seen 3600X selling for $159. Not only that, but they (Microcenter) throws in a $20 discount if you purchase MB + CPU at the same time.
the i5 included cooler looks like my old Core 2 Duo's cooler.
dude intel's cooler has been like this for years lol
Funny thing is your core 2 duo's cooler has better quality.
Cooler designed for a 25W CPU? What could possibly go wrong!?
The old Intel cooler was better, it had a copper block core. They removed it ages ago, its all alumn and really noisy, the fan ball bearing has this terrible whine.
@@SilverforceX Even one of the older systems I have, a Pentium from 2009 on an LGA 775 motherboard with the stock cooler, makes that same exact awful squeaky noise from the stock cooler's fan and it's annoying
I don't regret buying the R5 3600 for Christmas last year. It's good to see Intel doing what they can with what they've got to at least try getting competitive CPUs out there - if you're building a PC from scratch, 10th gen has some much better options than 9th gen - but it's still not good enough, I guess. Either way, better products, more competition, I'm happy to see it.
How the table has turn. I was thinking of getting the Ryzen 5 3600 but it is either unavailable or price has increase by at least 50% + MSRP (in my country). The i5 10400 is actually not a bad deal and if you run on slower RAM like 2666 mhz and dont want to upgrade, intel is less punishing than Ryzen because Ryzen hates low speed memory.
Great review as expected, especially coming after GN and their 2666 exposé.
Though I was wondering why you didn't include a 65W power-limited configuration, as I wouldn't imagine B460 and H410 boards to allow indefinite boosting.
Im imagining how R5 4600 will be like. : O
In a few months. : D
more like a year
@@ioannis.tsampras Maybe not a whole year but I think they won't arrive before 2021
skorpinakos It will come at the end of the year.
Early November. Just got a R5 3600 on a Asus x570 P. Good look getting a x570 board if thats what ya want though.
Probably slightly better than the 3600. It's a generational cash grab. It's not like a difference you'll see from a processor 10 years ago compared to today.
This comes to show how good Ryzen 3600 still is. Thanks for the work - love that "hammer unboxed" channel ;-)
R5 3600 is almost 12months old* Keep that in mind :) Now Intel releases CPU that can't beat AMD ones from the year before. How times have changed.
This is the video I’ve been waiting for 🙌🏼
Interesting how things change over 6 months, 10400 is at 159.99 on amzaon and ryzen 3600 is 229 dollars....
Probably because of lower demand on the intel one and higher on the AMD one
thank you, i had to watch four different videos to get an overview equal to the information presented in this one!
Why didn't you use the 10400f? It doesn't have integrated graphics and is cheaper, making it a fairer comparison to the 3600
It doesn't matter. It's got the same CPU performance as the non-F 10400.
@@nathangamble125 it matters because price. people watching this don't get that those two cost the same because those two in the title don't.
Meanwhile, with my $85 1600AF. Still can't bring myself to regret that buy, given the price.
Can you guys make a video explaining your monitor test methodologies, i watched one yesterday and didn't even know what half the matrics even meant.
I get why you leveled the playing floor with the CPU cooler, and z390 to match memory speeds but it would be interesting to see some of these results with say the stock cooler used on each. For example select the top 3 games where intel has clear advantage and the retest just those at 1080p with each respective stock cooler used to get a real "stock out of the box" experience!
As always keep up the great work and content!
3600 is now 220. 10400 is 150... Worth it now?
10400f for 130-140 yes
Watching this on February 19th ’21 the price is lower for the intel. I bought the i5 10400F for $150 and the Ryzen 5 3600 is $200….still rocking the GTX1050ti because that's all I could get these days. Seems to me that Intel is listening to hardware unboxed. I'm still looking for my first opportunity to build a Ryzen based computer though.
Conclusion : buy the ryzen 5 3600 forget about the i5 10400
@James Smith nah
No. I'm gaming. Getting 10400
10400 is better in games by 10 percents
Conclusion: Buy whichever you can get for cheaper
This video in particular is really helpful to help me choose a CPU, specifically for a workbench computer that's still fairly low in budget
I’m just glad I got the i5 10400
yep
I seriously doubt that most people would buy a Z490 mobo with the budget i5 -10400 CPU.
AMD Said :
"just buy CPU you want, I just remind you I'll release the R5 4600"
And intel said :
"hey, It's not fair, dude"
Haha silicon printer goes brrr
a lot has changed since this video, i bought the intel CPU it was 60 dollars cheaper than the 3600 which is not even available
Just watched the 10400 review from techjesus Steve and now I get to watch the 10400 review from harbor-on-box Steve!
Don't know why 3600X is not included. It is still on pair with 10400 prices.
And now the 10400 is the cheaper option and also the only one available as I write this.
There is also the 10400f version which is even more cheaper
@@fasiduz yes sir
@@fasiduz Genuine question. What difference does it make if it has integrated gpu?
@@danielcheese__ 15- 20% expensive than f cpu, and since you are buying an external graphic card, you wont need that igpu
At this point of the year great review, I´ve got the I5 10400 for 145$ and the Z490 MB planning to get for 139$, besides that the AMD Ryzen 3600 has disappeared from the market.
and now in 2021, the 3600 is 50 euros more expensive then the i5-10400 and 70 euros more expensive then the 10400f, making intel the winner :/
SUPER. Intel is very good now. Battlefield V - i5-10400 GTX 1080 Ti 1440p ULTRA vs i7-9700K: ua-cam.com/video/l1GrTQJUkcM/v-deo.html
Bruh in my country i5 10400f costs $175 and Ryzen 5 3600 costs $285 dollars
Good review. Straight on point!
any 1 else wanna chill with Steve and Tim and drink some beer and eat some steak? no?? just me??
Wait until corona ends
@@GewelReal hopefully a vaccine by December. i hope lo.
I'll bring along corona beer
@@Joker-no1fz not happening lol
@@rdmz135 lol you a groyper on twitter?
But why you don’t use 10400F that cost 155-160$ and have same performance. If you buy cpu for games I don’t think that you don’t have graphics card
Glad you used the 360mm liquid cooler. Typical user experience, right?
Considering that 3600 has much more temps according tech yes city and others. Why don't to put 30 $ cooler for tests?
If they change the cooler all the other CPU data becomes invalid. Use your brain. Plus, neither CPU throttles with the stock cooler so the result would barely change. The 3600 might boost 50-100Mhz lower in productivity but thats it.
Yes or No, is a 360mm cooler with these chips a "typical user experience"?
I got my son this CPU for Christmas at Micro Center for $119 open box and a Z490 board. I think for the price I made out pretty well
I can’t find a 3600 if I do it’s like 320 AUD but I can find a i5 10400 for like 220 AUD
This was really good! Bring down those prices!!!
And now,this Intel can be purchased for 159$ , while 3600 costs minimum 199$ , but it can go to over well over 200$ according to pcpartpicker.com . EDIT: 3600 just went into 3700X MSRP region lmao. Few hours ago on 20.12.20. EU time . EDIT2:Well briefly. Now it is 219$ lol
Wtf 3600 $219?
@@railfans-psi yup i got my 10400 with integrated graphics for 150
@@moises1228 ahhh, now i5 10400 price little bit higher than 3600 😢😢
@@railfans-psi go to b and h photo or newegg they shouldn't be that high
@@railfans-psi theres one thing i dont get, why is the i5 9400 200 dollars on amazon?????!?!?!?!
Excellent. Something I didn't notice was the coolers used and the overall noise of the systems. Did you use the stock coolers? If so would you please comment on the noise levels?
Intel is still sitting on their laurels. They were the top dog for so long they just dont want to accept change. Are intel better for gaming? yes, but...not such a landslide that its worth usually the extra costs. in most cases, adding the processor and board costs usually comes out to be enough price diff that a AMD system can get a whole other part included in the build for...what...5-10fps? not worth. Get AMD. Lets try again next year Intel, change your arc and pricing and lets see if you can do better.
Cool. I don't care about saving money so you can't sell me. You'll only sell to those who care about price to performance overall. Where I don't care about that either.
This 100%. Especially since a lot of set-ups run GPU limited anyways, turning that 5-10 fps difference into the opposite because the CPU cannibalized the GPU budget. Paying more money for better performance at low resolutions makes no sense for most people. Id rather have the ability to go to 1440p or 4k, or even run a VR headset instead of buying another 1080p monitor.
@@hgr3180 lol. Ok bub. Go spends hundreds more for a negligible increase. Lol you sound like an apple sheep too.
@@hgr3180 "LOL you'll only sell to those spending less than $3000 on their gaming PC". Weird flex bud.
@@hgr3180 Even if money is no object if you know how to apply the benchmarks to the real world and the actual setups people buy, you understand Intel is still DOA for gaming except for a tiny niche use case. Why? Because the fps difference is unnoticeable in real world use unless you are playing competitively at a pro level and have a 2080 ti with a 240hrz 1080P display and most importantly of all have the skills to take advantage of it. That is the reality. If you are just an average gamer who wants to have fun (the overwhelming majority) or dont even play FPS games, the set up that makes a Intel cpu faster than an AMD cpu by more than single digit fps is flushing money down the toilet for no practical benefit. It's not about saving money. It's about not wasting it and sacrificing resolution and graphic fidelity for literally no benefit at all except childish FPS bragging rights. The vast majority should be using a higher end gpu to play at 1440P 100-144 fps or 4K 60-80 fps or something like an RX 580 or 1060 at 1080P depending on budget. And in either case an R5 3600 on like a B450 board is more than enough. Anything more expensive in the cpu department will have no practical benefit for gaming or anything else for that mater for 99% of people. This is why Intel needs unlocked i5s and full memory overclocking on the B and H boards. Without it they can't compete in the only price segment that the overwhelming majority of cpu buyers should be looking at regardless of their budget.
In the strange times we are in now would you pick the 3600 at $200 vs 10400f at $168? Given we dont know how long these jacked up prices will last
intel is better value now
I'll be switching to Ryzen after many years of Intel usage.
Starting the day with a fresh video of a Intel processor getting trounced back and fourth! So heartwarming!
What about the 10400F it’s cheaper than the 3600 and who uses the IGPU anyways
because for some reason its a dollar less than the 10400 when i look up the retail price rn maybe it will go down soon
Couldn't agree more, thx for uploading!
There he is! The myth! The legend!
Man, I love Steve.
Jesus!!!! Finally a review/comparison that's not all over the place, or being biased towards one of the platforms.
Now it would be cool to see, what happens when you throw in a 3600 cl16 kit manually tweaked in to the mix. Micron e-die comes really close to b-die, while barely costing 10-15 bucks more than the cheapest 3200 cl16 kit.
I would like to see what 3600 cl 15-15-15-30-44-306-1 looks on ryzen, and 3800-4000 cl16-17 looks on Intel. Both achievable with the same micron e-die kit, with 1.4v or less.
You can simulate this with the b-die kit you have.
Pretty sure, at least one of them will go straight to the top of the chart along with the 10900k.
Low price
Extreme workload performance
Only 2% low fps than blue
AMD wins
It also wins in gaming too because 2666 memory. Hell, even first gen ryzen was able to go past 2666 memory on b350 boards and that was 3 years ago.
amd has no iGPU
@@zangetsu6638 ...Which matters how? -_- These CPU's are mostly for gaming rigs, and Adobe added Nvidia/AMD GPU acceleration meaning QuickSync is no longer a "major" beneficial feature of going Intel.
And if you REALLY want an iGPU, the 8c/16t Ryzen 7 4700G is about to come out and will roflstomp all over these i5.
@@Cooe. it matter for the people that aren't gaming on their computers. i disagree with your opinion that these cpus are mostly for gaming rigs. there will be a BAZILLION people that get the i5 because they don't want to be forced to buy a card like they would if they went with amd.
@@zangetsu6638 Get a G series processor and you'll get your APU, they are probably cheaper than the 3600. I mean come one...
Love my 3600X.. No reason to change it any time soon... Workhorse.