How Social Media REWIRES YOUR BRAIN (& Our World) w/ Max Fisher | Rich Roll Podcast

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  • Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
  • In this episode of The Rich Roll Podcast, NYT investigative reporter & 'The Chaos Machine' author Max Fisher discuss how social media is eroding our minds, driving polarization, and radically changing the way we think. To read more and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll703
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    00:00:00 - Intro
    00:01:43 - How did Max get pulled into writing "The Chaos Machine"
    00:05:09 - Polarization
    00:08:15 - Jacob' the whistleblower / Impossible task of moderating FB
    00:11:27 - The Problem
    00:17:31 - What drives social media? Financial Model / Venture Capital
    00:21:26 - The philosophy of Silicon Valley
    00:26:18 - The Persuasion Lab / Chasing the Dragon
    00:32:26 - How does social media rewire our behavior?
    00:38:11 - Wall Street
    00:38:50 - Tay - Microsoft AI run Twitter account gets radicalized
    00:40:46 - How algorithms can radicalize us / GamerGate
    00:47:11 - The evolution of radicalization since GamerGate
    00:49:51 - What are the underlying social ills behind all this?
    00:53:09 - Changing your media diet habits
    00:55:44 - Dealing with misinformation
    00:59:24 - Ad break - The Plantpower Meal Planner
    01:01:05 - Super Posters / outrage sets Social Media norms
    01:07:07 - How Anti-Vaxxers grew out of mom FB groups
    01:09:05 - Anti-immigration story in Germany
    01:12:22 - Qanon
    01:16:34 - Most shocking thing Max learned writing the book
    01:18:30 - Turn off the incentives on social media
    01:25:52 - What are the parameters of free speech on social media?
    01:33:09 - Social regulation
    01:41:25 - Cecil the lion
    01:44:57 - How to dial back the outrage? Gov't regulation?
    01:51:09 - How FB meddles with other countries / Myanmar
    01:53:41 - Amazon Fresh / Surveillance
    01:55:26 - Breaking up Big Tech
    01:58:40 - Where is it all going?
    02:06:12 - UA-cam's destructive influence
    02:11:06 - Advice for navigating social media
    02:18:26 - Closing remarks
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 365

  • @solomonsfarm
    @solomonsfarm Рік тому +138

    We need to have this discussion on a national level. Instead of using our energy hating each other we should put it into solving this problem. Society would be better off without social media until we figure it out.

    • @francesnance9110
      @francesnance9110 Рік тому +7

      Agree and add we need to have this discussion on a global level.

    • @danielle7729
      @danielle7729 Рік тому +6

      I agree mostly. However, I get a lot of my information like this from UA-cam. Technically UA-cam is a social media right? I don’t see any kind of political issues on my UA-cam feed. All I watch is Rich Roll, Andrew Huberman, Tom Bilyeu, Jordan Peterson and a few more. I also watch a lot of yoga and yoga Nidra continent. I definitely would not want that taken away.

    • @solomonsfarm
      @solomonsfarm Рік тому +6

      @@danielle7729 True. Like a knife, social media can be used for constructive or destructive purposes depending on how it's used. But if we are not careful, we could be watching Rich Roll and Jordan Peterson while political and tribal chaos rip our society into warring factions. How long before that's outside our doors? Then what good is any of it? I don't know the answer to this problem as it's obviously complex, but if you're driving and about to slam into a wall the best thing you can do is stop or at least slow down until you can keep a degree of control in some responsible manner.

    • @danielle7729
      @danielle7729 Рік тому +5

      @@solomonsfarm I suppose you are right. I would much rather not have the other chaos going on then to fuel my own selfish desire. I could possibly obtain the same information through listening to audiobooks or reading a old-school,paper book lol we have taken UA-cam off of our home TVs to try and shield our kids from seeing unnecessary things at a young age. I definitely don’t want them to feel less then by viewing other peoples lives or getting them believing things that are too far leaning one way or the other. Hopefully we can figure out a plan soon, but I don’t really see that happening in the near future.

    • @gigid9606
      @gigid9606 Рік тому +2

      They want us to hate each other!

  • @moniquecobb9051
    @moniquecobb9051 Рік тому +58

    This video needs to be shared in 4 part segments in Middle, High school and college.

    • @juncakarina7690
      @juncakarina7690 Рік тому

      Schools need to disappear they are propaganda machines and literally dangerous to humanity.

  • @robertgallagher2226
    @robertgallagher2226 Рік тому +72

    I quit social media six months ago. Tougher than quitting cigarettes and opioids.

    • @rogerc23
      @rogerc23 Рік тому +4

      You’re oh youtube.

    • @1w598
      @1w598 Рік тому +2

      If quitting social media is tougher than quitting opiods & cigarettes, then YOU have a big ego.

    • @Misslotusification
      @Misslotusification Рік тому +2

      @@1w598 Yes. The ego seeking, always seeking (hence FOMO), either to feel secure, or to inflate itself, or to get entertained.

    • @TheMelloFx
      @TheMelloFx Рік тому +2

      @@1w598 don’t be so naive

    • @TheMelloFx
      @TheMelloFx Рік тому +5

      Fear of missing out, dopamine, sense of community etc have nothing to do with ego. Having a big ego is valid but it’s not the end all be all for the billions of ppl that use social media.

  • @ld3418
    @ld3418 Рік тому +60

    I have watched my husband's attention span and behavior dramatically but slowly change over several years. I can never even mention these type of ideas or he gets combatively defensive. I now treat him like a toddler with a toy and everything works just fine.

    • @Brandy3319
      @Brandy3319 Рік тому +7

      ... sounds like the relationship I have with my mom.. with my mom being the toddler... 🤣🤣

    • @itzakpoelzig330
      @itzakpoelzig330 Рік тому +9

      I wonder if he realizes that you'll probably never want to sleep with him again? What healthy woman could be turned on by someone she views as a toddler?
      I'm sorry he devolved that way, and I hope your next husband is more mature.

    • @AEO21Productions
      @AEO21Productions Рік тому +1

      @@itzakpoelzig330 sometimes the adult child money maker is simply managed,, and the “toy” is.. well.. the other persons affection. This is manipulation, and unhealthy. But so common that it is a societal pest of behavior

    • @manda-panda
      @manda-panda Рік тому +1

      I'm sorry to hear that but u are not alone! This may be hard to believe bc people put on airs, but almost every married woman I know is going thru the same thing. Me? I'm in the process of divorce after 14yrs bc my husband also devolved, & I don't have time to babysit, pacify or raise a man at my age of 43. Sounds like you've worked out a good system tho, bravo, Sis!

    • @Im_Really_Jesus_4real
      @Im_Really_Jesus_4real Рік тому +2

      Your rationalising your divorce, or the next time you cheat .

  • @s.g.e5523
    @s.g.e5523 Рік тому +38

    when i left high school in 2014 everyone thought i was weird for not having socials. but i always felt like i had to be someone else, idk but seeing other people thrive made me feel like i had to compete? so ive been social-less but i use youtube for education purposes.

  • @kin.9133
    @kin.9133 Рік тому +30

    I'm not in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram or Tik Tok, but I spend a TON of time on UA-cam.

    • @Hampurosh
      @Hampurosh 7 місяців тому +1

      Dude UA-cam isn’t a social media

    • @katwalkable
      @katwalkable 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@HampuroshEven if you use comments section? What about the feed that automatically comes to you?

    • @mkkrupp2462
      @mkkrupp2462 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Hampurosh I think it is. And there doesn’t seem to be much control over the comments sections….

    • @meganhopkins1497
      @meganhopkins1497 4 місяці тому

      The drug is in your head. It’s dopamine. And anything that plays on that is a drug. Yes UA-cam is a little different but not really when it comes down to it. They mention UA-cam’s algorithm in this episode.

    • @Change_Everything
      @Change_Everything 3 місяці тому

      @@Hampurosh it’s all connected. You watch a lot of UA-cam and the algorithm learns what you most easily consume (which doesn’t mean most healthy) and that becomes your reality. We become a certain set of beliefs that didn’t originate from our own experience

  • @gD-cp3cg
    @gD-cp3cg Рік тому +31

    I am french, I stopped my mobile phone 10 years ago now.
    The reason was, this little thing was starting to control a lot of free time I had before.
    I started to think about is it important to have one.
    I said to me because I have 38 years old no it is not really important to have one.
    You can easily live normally without it.
    I started and now I see a lot of people being surprised when I say I have no mobile phone but it is fine for me.
    I am not scare of life because I know we are here just for one life and it is ok.
    If I need one I just have to ask someone to share it and that is it.
    I have no stimulation, not entertained with my car with my bike, I am totally connected with others.
    I have a life perfectly organized. I work with my head, I prefer use my brain than transfer it to a machine.
    At the beginning it was a phone, it was fine. But when they have started to change the way of using to a smartphone, I felt something will be different.
    As human you lost a little bit of yourself, a bit of freedom.
    You do not see when you start, it is something fun. Then the machine start to run and you have to run as well...

    • @k8eekatt
      @k8eekatt Рік тому +2

      Merci, bon mot

    • @gD-cp3cg
      @gD-cp3cg Рік тому +1

      @@k8eekatt
      Cheers

    • @noahbrown4388
      @noahbrown4388 Рік тому +3

      Much respect to you mon ami!! I haven’t reached there yet, but I’d like to; I hate what humanity has become

    • @gD-cp3cg
      @gD-cp3cg Рік тому +2

      @@noahbrown4388
      Thank you.
      It is a hard choice of course because some people know you will cut the contact.
      This the life when you do not follow some people, they do not want to stay in touch with you.
      Me I have just linkedin no more facebook, I never had instagram, tweeter, snapchat...
      My value of respect is high and it is the same when I buy anything.
      I like to say I want to give my money to people who sweat for me.
      It is a shape of respect.
      I have just finished the harvest for Eric Morgat white wine Savennières in France.
      It was my third time for him. I do only with him because it is on my holidays.
      He has 6 hectares in biodynamic. It is during 10 days, he likes to share his experience. It is really good, I do not go there to earn more money, I do because this type of guy deserve my hand.
      He organises the really good meal for the team at the end of the harvest. The spirit is perfect.
      I work otherwise in a small organic cosmetic company in Angers north west of France.
      We work for 97% with french small laboratory.
      I could earn more money to work for a big company but it is not my purpose in this life.
      My goal is being free and happy and to reach that, I need to have the time to do what I want when I want.

    • @Pazaluz
      @Pazaluz Місяць тому

      Was it difficult for you to quit? I'm struggling to limit my screen time..

  • @jageo48
    @jageo48 Рік тому +48

    It's _not only social media_ ; it's all our devices, which, separate us from the world and each other. All is *consumption* , whether images, text or prose.

    • @littlepony8571
      @littlepony8571 Рік тому +4

      Yes, precisely!

    • @jageo48
      @jageo48 Рік тому +5

      @@littlepony8571
      Instagram makes folks hungry.
      Twitter makes folks angry,
      and
      Fecesbook makes folks stew-pit!
      hahaha

    • @Misslotusification
      @Misslotusification Рік тому +1

      "One damn thing after the other." just like Eckhart Tolle points out. That's the hallmark of the ego, never being satisfied.

    • @eugeniebreida1583
      @eugeniebreida1583 Рік тому +2

      @@jageo48 That’s good! Yes, hahaha : )

    • @jageo48
      @jageo48 Рік тому

      @@terayzea9240 I use a landline. When true friends wish to make contact if I don't, they call. With YT comments, email, etc, it's all consumption. Little personalization. It's why the lockdown mentality persisted and still does in the minds of many. The elites love this as we are both distracted and separated from each other while the rape, pillage and plunder.

  • @michaelhopson6342
    @michaelhopson6342 Рік тому +247

    Social media has become like alcohol - if you don't use it people look at you differently, like you are weird for not using it.

    • @sigfreed11
      @sigfreed11 Рік тому +23

      I don’t drink or use social media, I feel great! I’ll happily take the weird looks.
      When did it become taboo to be happy and healthy? It’s a strange world we live in

    • @lllllllllllll31lll
      @lllllllllllll31lll Рік тому +16

      @@sigfreed11 you watching youtube bruh

    • @joshuabhujun3835
      @joshuabhujun3835 Рік тому +7

      I'm 39yrs old, living in vibrant Montréal, Canada. I don't have IG, deactivated my Facebook and I use WhatsApp and Messenger to communicate with peers and family. Just because I don't have IG, I'm automatically seen as outdated, or old or weird or extreme! So many potential dates dropped me on Bumble and Tinder for not having IG lol

    • @GetUnlabeled
      @GetUnlabeled Рік тому +3

      @@sigfreed11 you realize that you are commenting ON social media

    • @KharlHungus
      @KharlHungus Рік тому +2

      @m g I did that a year ago....I'm getting sick of youtube now. I'm going to try rumble for 2023. I don't like the obvious and selective censorship agenda.

  • @aimhigh3701
    @aimhigh3701 Рік тому +92

    You don’t know what you don’t know. This is very much the case with the effects of social media and is one of the reasons why it’s taking so long for us to wrap our heads around the very obvious shifts in behaviour that social media has disproportionally contributed to. Those paying attention have been ringing alarm bells for years but unfortunately like most meaningful change it will take a lot more damage and harm to human well being before anyone is prepared to do something genuinely significant.

    • @andreavanda5402
      @andreavanda5402 Рік тому +6

      And the way things look, by then, it may be too late.

    • @joshuaobrien7034
      @joshuaobrien7034 Рік тому +2

      What is the thing you refer to as genuinely significant?? What would that be in your opinion?

  • @Vaf20
    @Vaf20 Рік тому +25

    I recently deleted all my social media accounts.
    So this interview comes in handy!
    😊

  • @valtracey6180
    @valtracey6180 Рік тому +24

    This incredible conversation has opened my eyes …. I have found here the missing pieces of the puzzle, the final answer to the question ‘how and why did my son die at the age of 41 two years ago?’ The term used at the time was - ‘complications arising from his addiction to alcohol and prescribed medication’. And the label - ‘he was just another addict who died young’. When my grief turned to anger I took a deep dive in social media to try to find the truth. I had put a notice of his death on Facebook and got a very lackluster response - a few comments from family and from my friends. Nothing from his ‘friends’. Thankfully in the real world lots of his friends turned up at the funeral - they heard through word of mouth, the very real means of communication that we humans have been using for all eternity. I subsequently discovered that my son had been ‘addicted’ to Facebook. But he had created a totally false identity (not a false name). The person I found there was strong, powerful, confident and very opinionated. I’m some posts he was a bully, quite intimidating. But that wasn’t who he was in ‘real’ life. I could see that he was desperately searching for friendship, for a community he could belong to, a tribe. In real life he was highly sensitive, extremely affectionate, loved animals and would have given his life to protect any of them. But he wasn’t perfect on the outside, as a child he had been bullied often for being too soft, too small, too whatever the trend might be. From the age of 16 he began to use alcohol, initially to give him the confidence he lacked. It worked - all of a sudden he was transformed from being a shy guy on the edge, to being the ‘leader of the pack’. Under the influence he felt invincible, empowered, and at the same time became more popular. But of course the alcohol took its toll, and in between binges he became very depressed. So they prescribed medication. Then social media was created and a very sad, lonely young man, suddenly found a way to be anything he wanted to be. But it didn’t work, because initially he posed as himself, but consistently failed to get the ‘likes’ he craved. Then he switched tactics - he only posted when he was intoxicated (he was now using a cocktail of alcohol & meds to get the ‘buzz’ he needed to fuel his adapted personality). He provoked, stirred things up, argued black was white, anything that would make him feel alive. Obviously he didn’t find the friends he wanted so much. Such was his existence for the last few years of his life. He loved life more than anyone I know, but because of his deep-rooted sensitivity, could not fit in in this unreal world.
    I learned all that I know today from UA-cam …. thanks to many many powerful conversations like this one here today, I discovered many amazing people, just like you two, who share their wealth of experience with us, freely, and help us to become enlightened about so many of the complexities of the world we live in. I couldn’t have got to where I am today without this. I really value the incredible amount of information that is available to me, and I can choose what I want to listen to. I’ve also listened to many talks, also very informative and educational, but the power of the conversation just cannot be surpassed - it is an exchange between two human beings who have had life experiences just like our own, and who also have to live in the same world we all have to live in, whether we like it or not. But we can learn from these conversations a lot about how to navigate our way to be able to live our best life, despite so many negative external forces - actually, they reveal the many more positive forces that are also there but just haven’t been highlighted. Btw - I pay a monthly subscription to UA-cam as it has all I could ever need in media, meditations, music, and no ads! Thank you Rich and Max for your contribution today - and I always buy the books too, it’s great to have them to dig a little deeper into some of the topics covered, and also a great source of reference.

    • @kellygarvin9006
      @kellygarvin9006 Рік тому +1

      So sorry for the loss of your son, and your heartfelt message here broke my heart

    • @valtracey6180
      @valtracey6180 Рік тому

      @@kellygarvin9006 thank you so much for your kind words Kelly - it gives me hope that there are more ‘real’ people out there than social media would have us believe. We can spread kindness and hope just as easily as the other side can spread fear and hatred.
      Your comment means a lot ❤️

    • @kathleendubois7128
      @kathleendubois7128 5 місяців тому +1

      Terribly sorry for your bitter loss. Your son sounds like he was a special boy. My sympathy to you❤

    • @valtracey6180
      @valtracey6180 5 місяців тому +1

      @@kathleendubois7128 thank you. Still sadly missed, especially at Christmas time. ❤️

    • @kathleendubois7128
      @kathleendubois7128 5 місяців тому +1

      @valtracey6180 yes I can imagine it's harder now. You are a brave lady.

  • @jinglebells3016
    @jinglebells3016 Рік тому +27

    The algorithms keep pointing me towards Rich Roll, Dr Greger, and Tiny House Tours.

    • @eugeniebreida1583
      @eugeniebreida1583 Рік тому

      We’re on the same trip! (and I’m keto/carni due to med condition. Why always Gregor!)

    • @FOURTEEFIVE
      @FOURTEEFIVE Рік тому +1

      Dr Greger potbelly

    • @potterylady44
      @potterylady44 21 день тому

      Greger❤❤❤

  • @normavanhorn4351
    @normavanhorn4351 Рік тому +12

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. I listened once by myself, and am now re-listening with my husband and two teenage boys. The fact that thousands of highly educated, resourced, and incentivized adults are ruthlessly targeting us for our attention while we, in our blissful oblivion, mindlessly scroll and follow the building breadcrumbs toward their agenda, is critical information for empowered engagement. It is shocking that the largest companies and industries in the world are *targeting* us in this way, using us for their financial gain, while taking no stock of or responsibility for the cascading mental and emotional impacts of their work is shocking and appalling, especially as it relates to the most vulnerable (youngest) among us. The scale and scope of this dynamic is truly appalling. We are halfway through our listen but already seeing the world differently and having thoughtful conversations about it. THANK YOU.

  • @gabrielaradu2970
    @gabrielaradu2970 Рік тому +30

    I'm trying to reduce my time on social media as much as possible, but I have to admit that I've found some good podcasts here on UA-cam. For example, I learned so much from Andrew Huberman's podcasts, things that can help me in my daily life, or you can find people who share their stories and can be a source of inspiration for us. Algorithms can be good or bad, that's for sure. If people are looking for stupid stuffs, social media won't give them something smart, because it wouldn't be useful, profitable, and vice versa.

  • @mikesimms1
    @mikesimms1 Рік тому +26

    I quit FB in 2009 even though I barely used it because it just seemed like a waste of time. Since then I've lost several friends who fell into the extremist movements and conspiracy theory black holes that persist on these sites. These days most of my friends are runners, many of whom also quit social media. It's better for my own mental health, but I'm deeply concerned for the health of society at large.

  • @mojeanin
    @mojeanin Рік тому +9

    I love how in-depth this episode is! Many people talk about the dangers of social media but it's rare for someone to truly understand the subject and be able to teach us about the mechanisms and real world implications.

  • @ZenEmmRap
    @ZenEmmRap Рік тому +59

    Love this podcast. Always learn something new. I just deactivated my instagram account so looking forward to watching this!

    • @studentaccount4354
      @studentaccount4354 Рік тому +3

      Never got on Instagram because of their TOS. Had Flickr but hardly go there.

  • @dawn7220
    @dawn7220 Рік тому +24

    This reveals that the "love" of money truly is the root of all evil.

    • @kate60
      @kate60 Рік тому +2

      The love of power which corrupts completely.

    • @crystalrene1498
      @crystalrene1498 Рік тому

      The love of power, which equals wealth, is evil. Personal decisions are our individual power.

  • @bluebutterflywellness2273
    @bluebutterflywellness2273 Рік тому +23

    Rich, I know the temptation is to instantly reach the masses, when IMO it is more effective to create a niche, reaching the right individuals that are thinkers and the right kind of influencers. Remember that many changes were initiated by the few, but because of their convictions, eventually generated momentum. I listen to you because I don't like to be patronized with clickbait. Here I am invited into a space where I'm given the opportunity to use my intellect--a rarity in this space. Thank you! 👍🏽

  • @jonald32z61
    @jonald32z61 Рік тому +19

    Excellent topic. But, much as we all like Rich, it is important to remember he's part of the machine too. Just like any Instagram influencer, Rich has a persona and a product that he's selling.
    I'm not saying this to troll. I subscribe to, and recommend, the meal planner. I have my Harry's razor and running shoes, and my OK jeans are waiting for the end of the workday.
    But, it's all of a piece. He's selling us a better lifestyle, but the inadequacy, the disruption inherent in the very use of these electronic items is present here too. Et en Arcadia ego.

  • @kimfroman2023
    @kimfroman2023 Рік тому +7

    I took down my tv and swore off FB in April, almost 6 months. Yesterday, my first time to swipe, just to see. Right off the bat, one of my "friends" had posted a pitbull attack video. Boom, anxiety, playing out scenarios of how I should reply. I didnt. Now I'm addicted to youtube, but feel like I'm learning things, so ...

  • @BATgirl57
    @BATgirl57 Рік тому +47

    Funny... although I’m not on any social media by intention, my go to for information is UA-cam and Max pointed out @ 2:06:20 that they’re the worst in corrupt algorithms behavior!
    Appreciate Rich Roll’s integrity to not succumb to using clickbait... love this guy more all the time!☮️🌱

    • @markrodrigue9503
      @markrodrigue9503 Рік тому +2

      Bat girl you should make videos I like your point of view

    • @BATgirl57
      @BATgirl57 Рік тому +2

      @@markrodrigue9503 thank you for the compliment, Mark! Made my day!😎

  • @keenansubramoney4920
    @keenansubramoney4920 7 місяців тому +1

    I treat you tube like a radio station, I pick what I wanna listen to , put my phone screen down and pretend im in the 70's , it works for me 😊

  • @gabrielab
    @gabrielab Рік тому +3

    Maybe clickbait titles bring more people to some podcast, but there is also an audience who is embarrassed of sharing those, because they seem cheap and sensationalistic
    This conversation was very interesting! Thanks

  • @micahflash
    @micahflash Рік тому +18

    I got off all social media over a year ago. I do not miss it at all! Great conversation. Thank you.

    • @kimfroman2023
      @kimfroman2023 Рік тому +1

      Isn't YT social media?

    • @1Know1tHurts
      @1Know1tHurts Рік тому +4

      @@kimfroman2023 It is. But it is not for attention and validation like many other platforms (unless you are a creator yourself).

    • @kimfroman1812
      @kimfroman1812 Рік тому

      @@1Know1tHurts Oh, thanks! I wanted to feel like I had given up social media and television (and alcohol and eating out), but couldn't let go of UA-cam and didn't want to be an imposter!

    • @Misslotusification
      @Misslotusification Рік тому +2

      @@1Know1tHurts Nevertheless, it can become yet another rabbit hole.

  • @ArtVandelayInc
    @ArtVandelayInc Рік тому +8

    Rich, I love your videos a lot. I think they're top-notch quality. It made me happy to hear that you are choosing not to use clickbait titles and such. I highly appreciate and respect you as one of your subscribers. And I think you're right about forming an audience in the long run even if you don't use some tricks to lure the algorithm. I would love to see that you succeed even more. Thank you for all the great content.

  • @juncakarina7690
    @juncakarina7690 Рік тому +1

    The MOST important thing we need to understand is that we are IMMORTAL BEINGS who come from a place of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE delve down to have a human experience. If we could all understand this this world would change in an INSTANT ! May you all experience this TRUTH in THIS lifetime and may we all together raise this place up.

  • @satorsatori8793
    @satorsatori8793 Рік тому +5

    we need to re evaluate, and re teach our values: common curtesy! tolerance! agree to disagree! loving kindness! etc. etc. and we need to re-examine our motivations!
    why do we believe everything they tell us? why do we go on social media? perhaps everyone should have to learn to meditate and practice it every day. our internal worlds need to change; the way we look at things....we must come from loving kindness.

  • @FeralFomoTravel
    @FeralFomoTravel Рік тому +1

    This is one of the most important conversations out there. The problem is that lots of folks don't want to believe that they arent aware, were decieved or possibly wrong about what is going on in this world today. We have to be brave enough to embrace our vulnerability and consider that no matter how smart or well informed that we are, or think we are, we can't know everything and that's ok. Life feels like a learning journey to me, so I never have to feel dumb, I just have more to learn.

  • @sweetoneo5
    @sweetoneo5 Рік тому +12

    Just wanted to weigh in on the conversation. I readily acknowledge that the system is built to encourage and create certain reactions and responses. Not just from an algorithmic perspective, but also in manipulating our behaviors . However it is being fed by the choices we make and our engagement. I'm about half way through the episode. And I appreciate that Max does address that how and what we engage with is a contributing factor , and it's not just the algorithm and the puppeteers in the background. From a personal experience of social media platforms: I do not consider them to be a tool of information. Maybe this is why I can understand these arguments, but wonder how they can be used in this way by others. I know it is a personal and subjective experience for each individual, as far as how it's used. I just find it perplexing when I hear how it's taken seriously as a reliable source for information. I think we curate the experience we have by what we engage with. And yes, it is also an insidious tool that knows how to push us to and fro. So I also appreciate that Max addresses having other more intentionally curated spaces. I know it's pretty much a close the barn door after the horse has escaped scenario, and I acknowledge that my personal experience is going to be different from others. But I don't think we're powerless as Rich says at one point. I appreciate these conversations and that they give me the chance to know more of experiences different from my own, so I don't think my world is the whole world.

    • @madalinaserban2551
      @madalinaserban2551 Рік тому +2

      Beautifully written. Not all people have your intelligence and awareness.

  • @kirsteninwales956
    @kirsteninwales956 Рік тому +5

    I loved this episode! Can’t wait to listen to Max’s audiobook and delve deeper into this important topic. As always, an outstanding job Rich, bringing such important matters to the fore. And I appreciate how both you and Max acknowledged your own use of social media - I can relate.
    Thank you for everything x

  • @patriciawallace14
    @patriciawallace14 Рік тому +2

    I appreciate your integrity to bring us(your tribe) truthful, factual info. I decreased my FB usage in 2016 when the environment was so toxic & eliminated toxic friends/family, left me with 10. I immediately felt calmer & less stressed. Our fragile democracy has had a lot of trauma to endure since then, my only hope is that people will wake up & shout truth to power instead of believing the lies as truth.

  • @felipedanielsouzadaniel9552
    @felipedanielsouzadaniel9552 Рік тому +5

    beautiful conversation!
    freedom without education is a plane in the air without wings

  • @colleencook9149
    @colleencook9149 Рік тому +3

    I’ve been trying to use less than less social media and I actually deleted the apps but the crazy thing is listening to this and listening to him talk about the apps is making me want to go and look at them 💩🤯

  • @richg2881
    @richg2881 Рік тому +6

    I think this conclusion about social media and smart phones is obvious. But then I was born in 1938, before even television.

    • @itzakpoelzig330
      @itzakpoelzig330 Рік тому +2

      No, it felt obvious to me too, when I was in high school in the late nineties. Cell phones weren't even "smart" yet, but they already seemed insidious to me.

  • @UtkarshBegiens
    @UtkarshBegiens Рік тому +2

    I am not on IG, Twitter and Facebook because I saw the problem Polarization on these platforms. I always consume my content from UA-cam mostly podcast from subscriptions section. The facts discussed in the podcast are so true. People using the social media are getting manipulated in many ways without any realization. Parting ways from social media can be really easy if your reasons are right.

  • @seitanbeatsyourmeat666
    @seitanbeatsyourmeat666 Рік тому +7

    Such a great, quality episode. You really do deserve more views than you get

  • @jswisher893
    @jswisher893 Рік тому +3

    Keep having these conversations, Rich, so good

  • @Crisjovi1
    @Crisjovi1 Рік тому +3

    Loved the conversation, really important stuff. Thank you.

  • @seanenglish6398
    @seanenglish6398 Рік тому +4

    There is nothing more addictive than something that ALMOST works !

  • @Qanwaz100
    @Qanwaz100 Рік тому +2

    Can't thank you more Rich for this truly vital topic. I'm humble for this talk from Fish. Love from Pakistan!❤️

  • @benjaminfargen
    @benjaminfargen Рік тому +2

    Brilliant as always! Thanks to both of you for this uber-important mental health conversation. 🙌🙏

  • @fentin480
    @fentin480 Рік тому +1

    This was brilliant, and I can't wait to read the book! I am one of the people whose views you won by being ethical, Rich. Thanks for keeping my faith in humanity alive.

  • @lumiere930
    @lumiere930 Рік тому +2

    this is such an important discussion. i have shared it with pretty much everyone i know and i hope it wakes some people up to the fact that they are being manipulated by social media even if they do not realise it

  • @erikavaleries
    @erikavaleries Рік тому +1

    Facebook groups were ruined by trolls, Instagram was ruined by a friend's boyfriend trying to flirt with me in DMs, and I couldn't figure out Twitter or how to enjoy talking to thousands of strangers. It all became zombie scrolling & a public competition for popularity or fighting. Horrible.

  • @deborahjaffe
    @deborahjaffe Рік тому +3

    I could never get into social media. I force myself onto Instagram because I’m a photographer and people say I need to do it to get work.
    I never feel good even after just a minute on the platform.
    I despise Facebook and since Instagram is owned by Facebook I really would love to get off of it. I also don’t shop online.
    I love deep diving into history, learning from C-SPAN videos and interviews on UA-cam.
    Maybe I’ll have enough guts to quit Instagram. The sad thing is I used to shoot for magazines, but now all my work is made for social media, websites and sometimes magazines, which have mostly gone only online.

    • @itzakpoelzig330
      @itzakpoelzig330 Рік тому +1

      Yeah, it's always been a bit of a mystery to me how people can enjoy social media, let alone get addicted to it. It feels bad!
      But then again, I guess there are people who are addicted to pulling out their own eyelashes and picking at their cuticles and stuff...?
      Who knows.

  • @anewagora
    @anewagora Рік тому +1

    Many of us have sharp edges on us from the impact of internet and the culture war. Sometimes I just have no idea and someone gets offended or disgusted by something I say, or utterly baffled. And I just can't keep up. We're in different worlds. Many Matrixes out here. It's sanity-restoring to take the hard path and interact with many people in person. And most importantly, prioritize anyone that is grounded and well-rounded. It helps.

  • @AC-wp3ow
    @AC-wp3ow Рік тому +5

    Wonderful episode! It's so important to educate about big tech's power over our governments and the choices we make. Would love to see this subject discussed further with Shoshana Zuboff ! Her "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" was a massive and rather scary eye opener.

  • @jcszot
    @jcszot Рік тому +3

    It’s destroyed our social / inter personal skills on ALL LEVELS! Everything from etiquette, dating and common courtesy. It’s corroding our children right out of the womb. It’s done more harm than good.

  • @blissbrain
    @blissbrain Рік тому +2

    Fantastic talk. You at one time asserted that social media didn't make depression, but only exploited it to get more 'watch time' (and subsequent ad revenue). I would challenge that politely and respectfully, asserting that much social media algorithms go a long way to create depression just like all other dopamine driven drugs do.
    Peace.

  • @sunflower-oo1ff
    @sunflower-oo1ff Рік тому +1

    wow... I will definitely watch this...but not just right now... ;) Thanks Rich, you're awesome, this is episode is great and badly needed .

  • @nathanocallaghan2962
    @nathanocallaghan2962 Рік тому +2

    Looking forward to the watch, thank you

  • @TechOutAdam
    @TechOutAdam Рік тому +25

    UA-cam IS social media too. Podcasts ARE social media. It's not the tool, it's how you use the tool and the value you bring.

    • @joshuaobrien7034
      @joshuaobrien7034 Рік тому +2

      All true.. but I think the point is that just as any addiction, it is not easy to curb once you are in it's throws. This is easily seen by observing the massive shifts in behavior in the past 20 years from the masses..

    • @jJust_NO_
      @jJust_NO_ Рік тому +3

      social media sort of intensifies whats already in your interest bucket.
      i like youtube, i can pick and choose.
      in other digital platforms like facebook or instagram, its drowning and draining.
      in youtube i can educate and learn..

    • @lucianowillemse8244
      @lucianowillemse8244 Рік тому +5

      @@jJust_NO_ True but remember there is also a thing called an information addiction.

    • @markrodrigue9503
      @markrodrigue9503 Рік тому +3

      Electronics in general games TV shows social gathering sites etc your brain have different connection with human touch and reading a physical books the fight or flight part of brain is triggered with electronics studies in Europe been saying this for decades

    • @pokepress
      @pokepress Рік тому +1

      Podcast directories tend to have less aggressive recommendation algorithms, which I think helps.

  • @mariamurmis4915
    @mariamurmis4915 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this interview. Mind opening and mind blowing.

  • @smmlf676
    @smmlf676 Рік тому +1

    Oh my! Thank you for this podcast.

  • @monikapandey8792
    @monikapandey8792 Рік тому +2

    Loved your reply regarding UA-cam usage..value and principles are more important respect for you Roll😇✨️n yes I always listen to your podcasts on UA-cam

  • @lisaariottiart
    @lisaariottiart Рік тому +2

    This explains A LOT.

  • @hannahsheehan1013
    @hannahsheehan1013 Рік тому +1

    Great interview. Can't wait to read this book!

  • @marcelasvirbelovakuziakova7517

    Thank you, brilliant, greatful for people like you 👌❤️❤️

  • @julieelle1682
    @julieelle1682 Рік тому +1

    That was absolutely amazing info, thank you Max and Rich

  • @b.l70
    @b.l70 Рік тому +1

    The algorithm brought me here and I'm a new subbie!

  • @slowpainful
    @slowpainful Рік тому +1

    I am 32 minutes into this podcast - superb production values, by the way, and one of the most intelligent conversations I've engaged with in I don't know how long, it's like a glass of pure water instead of silt - and 1. becoming very discouraged about the future of humanity and 2. trying to resist the desire to knock on my roommate's door, behind which he spends 100% of his waking hours on his phone, including during meals, force his eyelids open like they do in "A Clockwork Orange" and make him watch this. I'll probably suppress # 2. Oh, wait - sorry need to check my Twitter feed... all kidding aside, this is what online discourse should look like. If I ever do a podcast, this is the model. I'm old, however, I regularly lament short attention spans and illiteracy, so, I'm due for the trash heap any day now. What have we done...?

  • @xikano8573
    @xikano8573 Рік тому

    Time for us to introduce the air gap and bring back the face to face dialogue. I also appreciate your integrity Rich, thx for the eye opening interview!

  • @mathieuforte7250
    @mathieuforte7250 Рік тому

    This was a fascinating talk. Thank you for this.

  • @jessepratt6525
    @jessepratt6525 Рік тому +1

    Brilliant episode.

  • @mariaavinafranco8046
    @mariaavinafranco8046 Рік тому +1

    Good food for thought, thanks

  • @KReneeNYC
    @KReneeNYC Рік тому +1

    excellent conversations 🔥

  • @marionogueiraramos9488
    @marionogueiraramos9488 5 місяців тому

    terrific interview and format! thank you

  • @MG-og5gf
    @MG-og5gf Рік тому +1

    "It's hard to imagine that here. Right now."
    "You think so?"
    "I don't know!"

  • @stumckhall
    @stumckhall Рік тому

    I am SO NOT disappointed in you Rich! 😜 thanks for bringing the truth brother!

  • @chartersmailinggroupinc6792
    @chartersmailinggroupinc6792 Рік тому +2

    Excellent Podcast -- would love to see you interview Katherine Eban.

  • @coriandermylovelypup
    @coriandermylovelypup Рік тому +1

    Thank you.

  • @samdash3216
    @samdash3216 Рік тому +8

    Talking about the problems of social media ON social media. Talking about the irony.

  • @kentnoble8434
    @kentnoble8434 Рік тому +2

    This show is on the internet. Who decides what “social media” is positive?

    • @profe3330
      @profe3330 Рік тому +2

      Yeah. I'm finding this whole conversation, calm and urbane as it seems on the surface, to be quite self serving. OTHER PEOPLE are manipulated into holding stupid, wrong-headed, "radical" ideas that need to be suppressed, while bland, semi-educated Centrism should be pressed into people's heads for their own good.
      Is this really the best solution to the problems raised by technology?

    • @mitchlauner9355
      @mitchlauner9355 Рік тому

      I'm relieved to know I'm not alone

  • @BroGilbert
    @BroGilbert Рік тому

    Incredible interview.

  • @reneespring834
    @reneespring834 Рік тому +3

    So I just switched my phone to grayscale. So not fun. :(
    My hobby is gardening and most of everything I follow are flower accounts on social media.
    This might not be the solution for me.

  • @nikkihobson5632
    @nikkihobson5632 Рік тому +1

    For the record, I really enjoyed Gray Man and I liked the book, too.

  • @stefaniekeenan7729
    @stefaniekeenan7729 Рік тому +3

    One of the most important podcasts you've ever done Rich. Thx Man.

  • @maril1379
    @maril1379 Рік тому +5

    Social media is a blessing and a curse.

    • @EvoraGT430
      @EvoraGT430 Рік тому

      More of the latter, though.

  • @trevorbissett1405
    @trevorbissett1405 Рік тому +2

    A youtube video that provides a compelling argument to quit youtube

  • @braedansings3042
    @braedansings3042 Рік тому +6

    Tik Tok , 1000x more powerful among GenZ than any social media before.

  • @x0PhantomZeus0x
    @x0PhantomZeus0x Рік тому +3

    Found you through the algorithm 😳

  • @SallyFrancis
    @SallyFrancis Рік тому

    Brilliant ....

  • @b.b_is_here5810
    @b.b_is_here5810 Рік тому +12

    Got rid of all my social bar youtube ten years ago. My friends and workmates literally laughed at me for being a weirdo. I recognized how bad it was for my mental health let alone for misinformation and fuelling of hatred. No matter what political side I was on in the past I could also recognize the propaganda spit onto me from all sides which in retrospect turned out to be based on half truths and aimed at destroying the credibility to right,left and centralist parties as well. I think it can be a positive and powerful tool for learning but first you have to learnt to filter out the chaos. I use youtube for skill sharing and listening to music. Now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and deleting social apps,suddenly it is the smart thing to do. I think it seeped into outlr everyday life so much, and when it comes to this sort of powerful tech, we should be way quicker in recognizing the negative sides to these things. Isn't that how we survived as a species?

  • @marta_malinowska791
    @marta_malinowska791 Рік тому +5

    Much needed ♥️

  • @teganchappell8501
    @teganchappell8501 Рік тому

    Time to teach this in school

  • @dezinerg
    @dezinerg Рік тому

    Natasha Dow Schüll wrote a book called Addiction By Design: Machine Gambling in Las Vegas. Curious if it was referenced in this book.

  • @darrisnelson5223
    @darrisnelson5223 Рік тому

    I pretty much stopped using FB when COVID hit. People I thought were reasonable humans spewed hateful things when someone disagrees. I’ve not had a TV since 1989 because I did not want the distraction. I do not use Twitter. At times I find myself mindlessly scrolling IG . Afterwards I feel terrible. I got your book. It’s nit just young men…Social media is definitely hurting my marriage…connection with my husband. I hope this book doesn’t focus on one political group because we know that both sides are fully involved.

  • @emmahonkanen4572
    @emmahonkanen4572 Рік тому

    I have to buy the book

  • @dezinerg
    @dezinerg Рік тому

    A couple things don't get discussed enough: 1. The right to self-determination and a certain level of freedom from algorithms, and 2. The line between using behavioral and psychological signals for profit gains and our right to privacy of our own health data, which includes our own psychological profile. I feel like certain aspects of our online behavior should be considered health data and be protected by HIPPA and be unusable for commercial gain.

  • @GaynorOFlynn
    @GaynorOFlynn Рік тому

    Brilliant thanks... just may want to check out Spotify's business model as doesn't quite make the indie composers as happy as the users.... Think when we look at he behaviour of big tech we need to look holistically as greed and a lack of transparency around greedy business practice is really at the core of all

  • @wrongIQ
    @wrongIQ Рік тому

    Th e talk seems serious. At the same time I have a strong belief, that everything that you describe as "addictive and evil" in the social platforms IS the very reason why they are so big. So all the solutions you may want to try to make them less addictive will simply kill those platforms. One may say "at least we can try", ok... try to try will be my answer

  • @KoolT
    @KoolT Рік тому

    36:00 your emotional balance changes

  • @Textras
    @Textras Рік тому +1

    Change is coming folks 😜

  • @janetmarmaro8269
    @janetmarmaro8269 Рік тому

    Agree......

  • @redturnkey
    @redturnkey Рік тому

    Little Shop of Horrors "You'll be a Dentist"

  • @dianaambasaateku4132
    @dianaambasaateku4132 Рік тому

    Wow

  • @zayvra
    @zayvra Рік тому +1

    I remember yrs of only forums, newsfeeds, & only site comments. There were those super-powered techies into morgs, crypts, & Lynx. A few youtube mavericks during the mid 2000's. Online is mainstream entertainment now,
    yet the TV set is still popular. We still have to type a bunch online, and not everyone likes to type.
    One day talk-to-type will be the norm & it will blast with even more online users ...
    Problematic, because vocalization can be so curse.
    I like the writer brain in-use more so.

  • @panes840
    @panes840 Рік тому +1

    Yes, this is important and it needs to be talked about definitely but, taking yourself away entirely from social media is not the answer, that's how I feel. For example, I found Rich Roll and his media platforms highly beneficial. I have accessed amazing courses on line now, I have made amazing connections and friendships.
    The question and problem is knowledge management. Whether information is pushed at us or pulled by us and to whom, where and when. Because if adilts are struggling, the children are REALLY sufferingwithout their understanding of just how!!!! The protection children receive from social media and services shpuld not be the sole responsibility of parents. The fact that kids can get access to all sirts of under age stuff via tik tok, instagram regardless of what the parent puts in place is just utterly mind blowing. My kids found out stuff I didn't know until I was in my early twenties let alone 18. Horrific stuff and thats with us putting in parental blocks and controls on ALL devices bectgat TV, phones, you name it. Because people can hide behind screens , they are delving into dark places which would otherwise be shunned and frowned upon by society at large, so,,,,,, its easier to be fuelled, groomed and enlightened by stuff that even as adults should be abstained from. But thisxus where human rights starts to play a role, people see it as their right to do x, to say y and land up executing z! I think the human rights act should be replaced with a human responsibility act and that way, everyone has responsibility to take care of themselves and to take care of others. This includes companies too. What a wonderful world that would be. One of compassion than comparison and carnage. So, the degree of autonomy and empowerment to either have information pulled and pushed needs to be addressed. The choice to have information pushed or pulled. That's where it needs to start and from there other associated issues with solutions will follow.
    And whether you use social media or not, our biggest problem is the lure of technology. When televisions were invented everyone spent more time in front of them (think Christmas is basically for some folks a fancy roast dinner, opening presents we all don't really need and watching movies and dramas) computers the same, the fact we have ipads and phones just make access to information EASIER. The pull towards the next best TV, PC, phone on the market is also where society needs a raincheck. The cost of these gadgets astronomical but people by them so way, some how as a status symbol. Its all rather sad.