As a lighter skinned woman myself I find it absolutely disgusting when a black man is colorist, I would never date a man who put down women for their skin tone and looks. Dark skinned woman are beautiful and their skin tone pops. Dark skinned woman go through so much and it's not fair. If you're a dark skinned woman reading this remember you are beautiful and deserve love and peace.
Jocelyn, you are so beautiful! He does not deserve your love! Sweetheart, please find the strength to move on. Love yourself and your King will be there when you need him. This guy does not deserve your love!
Real talk she must have really low self-esteem to know somebody cheating on you 12 times and you don't hold them accountable and walk away. He does it because you let him he is not all that
Karamo would never out anybody on national TV 📺 for entertainment. That's a BIG no in the LGBTQ community. Outing someone is never appropriate. It could be life or death, and it's no one's story to share, but his-- if that's his story.
She is beautiful! Mother of three where??? Her complexion, beautiful chocolate skin GLOWING! Those cheek bones...she better leave him, find her beauty within herself then she will find someone who appreciates her❤I had to and im still a work in progress with my color complex the opposite way wishing at times since I was little that I was browner and trying to prove to people that not all lighter complexion people think they are all that(although in reality anyone no matter what complexion should feel that way). Im rooting for her and her health inside and out❤
I can relate, it grates on my last nerve to be called brown skin red skin light skinned, when l don't consider myself any of that and to me black is black... PERIODT
@@mizzmention8555I realize that back in the day families would desire that someone marry one who can "pass" or at least get paying office job. Those color preferences were passed on out of that context and perpetuated by wh1t3 folks preferences. Such a shame we're still in the bamboozle. Im sure you know this. It's just for the trolls.
That's what I'm saying who is the winner in the relationship 😅 and why he feels like he is.. 😅😅😂 he cheating 12 times gurl as long as u stay he gonna cheat😢 and he seems like he cheated to cover up his flamboyaness
It’s sad how all of the signs be right there in front of peoples faces but they refuse to take note of them. After that first baby passed I would’ve LEFT and thanked God for the unfortunate events that could’ve saved me the trouble…
The fact that the guy in the first story has daughters and still disrespects his partner proves he isn't going to change unless he faces a major tragety.
It's a shame that Colorism kills people. Karamo said that he cheated with a 13th woman but during his lame confession he never said that it was a woman he cheated with. He said a long time Friend 🤔
Im darkskin.. my ex called me cocky “ i need to be humbled” I left that ass 😂. Girl leave him he gonna be fat bald and possibly with a man in the future. Just co parent!!!
He was grinning, too, which indicates he thinks its funny and I'm 1000% sure it was way more than 13 "women". . he just went with it. He thought it was funny that she had NO CLUE how many people he had REALLY cheated with.
That brought tears to my eyes she’s so pretty! To want to change yourself completely and to loose your baby. I wish her all the healing, acceptance, and love she deserves this year.
My beautiful black sister.... I too am dark skinned and i had issues with my skin tone as a child too. I was ridiculed, callled names. Please love yourself!!!! You are gorgeous!!!! It took me so long to get to a place where i could love myself. It won't be easy but like Karamo said....think of your babies.. But first, love yourself. Sending you so much positivity and love .... Peace and Blessings my sister.
All my black Queens don't never change for a man!! I been there before wanting to change my looks for a man until something tragic happen to me and my confidence is through the roof now 🥰
@@sherei9530 I was in a abusive relationship August 30 will be 3 years I got away we use to work together. He had me feeling low about myself I walked around with my head down all the time cause he didn't want me speaking just saying hey to a man, I was called every name in the book, he told me I'm not sh** and that I would never be sh** in life, a man would never want me in life. We worked together he would physically abuse me in front of people even the manager knew but the manager kept saying how nice of a man he was and he would carry his gun around every where. A girl at the job was visually impaired couldn't see good I would take her to get food on lunch break come to find out he was cheating on me with her and the girl wanted to be best friends with me afterwards
I agree . Some crazy shxit happened to me but somehow it worked out for the best . It’s your mindset that has to change . Cux now looking at these ladies I just wish they could all see
It brought me to tears watching the first girl she is so beautiful i can't understand why people would be so cruel if you don't want someone sit down so they can see the person behind you
Why does Jocelyn accept this behavior from her boyfriend? Why have three kids with him? He obviously isn't a man of good, moral character. He isn't even attractive!!! I laughed when he said his standards are higher. Lol!!! That's a joke!!! You teach people how to treat you. She needs to run as fast as she can!!! He isn't going to change. He will continue to cheat. She deserves so much better!!! Jocelyn, know your worth!!!
I hate how dark skinned women are treated bad because of their beautiful skin tone. My niece is 7 years old & she’s dark skinned and she wishes she was lighter skin tone because of the way the other kids tease her for being dark skinned 😢. Dear dark skinned women you are beautiful & you’re worth everything you desire in life!! Don’t let nobody tell you otherwise 🤎🖤🤎🖤
"So you chose a temporary man over your friend?" I find it so funny that these Woman feel their Friends owe them explanations more than their man does. They always want to go hard on a Gf and not their man.
I really wish dark skin women stop thinking there not beautiful. Don’t they know they all the most beautiful women in the world. They are on a different level. She is so beautiful. Girl know your worth and walk away. It only take once for me and I’m out.
Girl he for the other side he don't like women I'm light skin thick smart and gorgeous loving go getter an my husband ex husband. Now thank God had the nerve to tell me after he cheated our whole 17 year marriage he like dark skin women he probably did that day but the point is he was for the streets because he cheated with every kind of woman. It don't matter when they Disrespectful heartless and coldhearted let that azz go Period God bless u beautiful ❤
No person, male or female should change their physical appearance for anyone. You are who you are!!! You are beautiful, well spoken and carry yourself well. You are a great Mom. Don't send the messages to your children that you have to change to be accepted by someone else. It doesn't mean he will want you more than he does now. Dont lose sight of who you are!!
She’s gorgeous & that pink is popping on her skin! 💕 Hope she realized that he NEVER deserved her, nor wanted her & he clearly like men with his funny looking self. Live in your truth sir. 👏🏽 Let it go sister.
I was walking with my phone in my pocket as I’m listening to this story. First off he def sound like he is not even into women. Secondly, when he starts talking about her looks, I look at my phone to see what she looks like. As a straight woman, I know for a fact this man child is not into woman because she is stunningly beautiful. He just needs to let her know he will never be faithful to her or any other woman because he’s into men! I hope she finds the strength to leave his azz and find someone who loves and values her.
He already cheated 12 times, what's unlocking his phone gonna prove! You already took him back 12 xs. What do you expect. You get what you get at this point.🤷🏾♀️
Mr. Zesty doesn't want you chile. Zesty cheats so much because Zesty trying to find himself and he just hasn't found who he really is, because he's not trying to accept his Zesty truth. Guuuurl, you better head for the border!!!!
I LOVE Karamo!!!!! Help her, because she really needs it. She deflected every comment he made about her. Clearly stating she’s not the one for him. He’s a not the 1 or the 2 he sounds SLOW…
Second situation I feel dude was honest about he did not say they was in a relationship. She just one of those who be with a man and because he having sex and coming around all the time they in a relationship. My thing is if a man didn’t come out of his mouth that we are a couple then ima keep it stepping.
You are a beautiful Queen. People envy your melenan skin every day. I pray you find a grown man who values every part of you. I pray blessings over you and your girls.
Not gonna even cap this made me ball my eyes out to my best friend these women reminded me so much of me and my best friend I’m more of the shy one and she’s more of the outgoing one and strong, when it comes up to men like this but I literally called her and cried and let her know that I love her so much and now never pick no man or boy over her
I had a man I dated for over a year that pretty much did me the same way. We went out every weekend cuz of our work hours. I called his phone and he tried to declined but accidentally answered it and I heard a female in the background. He told me that we never made it official. Ladie don't just keep sleeping with a man be specific on what you want out of that relationship or friendship.
Jocelyn is gorgeous! I hope she finds her self-worth and self-esteem because she deserves so much more! Her skin is absolutely beautiful and flawless. I wish all dark skinned women would receive the praise and uplifting they need and deserve to know just how truly beautiful they are, especially in a world filled with so much hate, envy, and ugliness!
As a lighter skinned woman myself I find it absolutely disgusting when a black man is colorist, I would never date a man who put down women for their skin tone and looks. Dark skinned woman are beautiful and their skin tone pops. Dark skinned woman go through so much and it's not fair. If you're a dark skinned woman reading this remember you are beautiful and deserve love and peace.
Thank you.
Its a preference just like when women say they are more attracted to dark skinned men
@@BEEFjrMUSICbut ppl need to not shove their preferences into their partners faces, since they are obviously not meeting them for the first time.
@@BEEFjrMUSIC🙄
So are you ❤
I feel like it would’ve been MEN in that phone if they went through it 😂😂
I feel the same way. And she was scared
THIS THE ONE!!!
This!
Fr
Correct! And deep down she knows and didn’t wanna expose him and embarrass herself.
She’s absolutely beautiful❗️ And he definitely gives off zesty vibes imo
Zesty asf 🤦🏽♀️ like girl I promise you that you can get a straight man
Frl I thought he was going to confess that he was gay😂😂😭
And he’s a serial cheater cuz he trying to prove to himself that he does and wants to be w women
being homophobic ain't cool
@@ifsheloveitiloveit they was never homophobic they jus said he was giving off zesty vibes
She’s beautiful!!!!! I pray she doesn’t change herself! Her skin in GLOWING!! Gaahhh, she’s gorgeous!!!
Yesssa that melanin is everything 😍😍😍
Jocelyn, you are so beautiful! He does not deserve your love! Sweetheart, please find the strength to move on. Love yourself and your King will be there when you need him. This guy does not deserve your love!
Exactly, I couldn't believe it, she is STUNNING ❤❤❤.
Very beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous
Very beautiful woman ❤… love that chocolate skin
The first case, girl he is telling you 100 different ways he don’t want you….smh
As Judge Lynn Toler would say, never make a man tell you more than once that he doesn’t want you
Real talk she must have really low self-esteem to know somebody cheating on you 12 times and you don't hold them accountable and walk away. He does it because you let him he is not all that
Exactly and she is such a beautiful woman she will never be enough for him he trash.
I agree
My gaydar was on high alert. Karamo you should’ve called him out! 😭😭😭
😂😂yes cause my whole 10 lb surger bag went missing when he started talking. She beautiful and can definitely do better than butt bandit.
Karmao would NEVER, call one out, although,,,' 25:50 we would had LOVED IT'!! but it ain't style !
Most gay people understand it is morally wrong to out somebody
I said the same thing to myself, he is !!!
Karamo would never out anybody on national TV 📺 for entertainment. That's a BIG no in the LGBTQ community. Outing someone is never appropriate. It could be life or death, and it's no one's story to share, but his-- if that's his story.
“Long as she’s thick” he is so cringy and immature.
Yea sounds like he is just saying what he heard on PH. Light skin and thicc. He’s vague. He is gay.
Who else here knows this man doesn’t want her. He wants Karamo! 😮
😅😅😅😅
😜
If you noticed, he kept looking at him up and down when Karamo would speak to him
😂😂😂
@@keterraalston6258😮😮😮
She is beautiful! Mother of three where??? Her complexion, beautiful chocolate skin GLOWING! Those cheek bones...she better leave him, find her beauty within herself then she will find someone who appreciates her❤I had to and im still a work in progress with my color complex the opposite way wishing at times since I was little that I was browner and trying to prove to people that not all lighter complexion people think they are all that(although in reality anyone no matter what complexion should feel that way). Im rooting for her and her health inside and out❤
I can relate, it grates on my last nerve to be called brown skin red skin light skinned, when l don't consider myself any of that and to me black is black... PERIODT
@@mizzmention8555I realize that back in the day families would desire that someone marry one who can "pass" or at least get paying office job. Those color preferences were passed on out of that context and perpetuated by wh1t3 folks preferences. Such a shame we're still in the bamboozle. Im sure you know this. It's just for the trolls.
I would never ever be with a man who cheat on me let alone cheat on me 12 times no matter how in love I’m.
I’ll always put myself first
I don't know, he giving me bi vibes. Girl choose you and move on with your life....smh
Exactly he sounds colourful😅
He looks like he has herpes.
Definitely was giving taste the rainbow vibes 🌈 💅🏾 😂😂😂
Exactly!!! Then he has the nerve to have a pronunciation situation!!! None talking sugar britches!!
@@princessthalegend338😭😭😭
Taco meat on his chin a whole speech impediment and his hairline starts behind his ears. Child ✌🏽
Don’t forget the vibezzzz 🌈 he is giving off too!!
Yeppp😂🎯💯👎🏾🤬
That's what I'm saying who is the winner in the relationship 😅 and why he feels like he is.. 😅😅😂 he cheating 12 times gurl as long as u stay he gonna cheat😢 and he seems like he cheated to cover up his flamboyaness
Frrreeenn😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
It’s sad how all of the signs be right there in front of peoples faces but they refuse to take note of them. After that first baby passed I would’ve LEFT and thanked God for the unfortunate events that could’ve saved me the trouble…
Preach
The fact that the guy in the first story has daughters and still disrespects his partner proves he isn't going to change unless he faces a major tragety.
Im literally on UA-cam just watching Karamo for hours now😂😂❤❤i love it
Me too I love Karamo I suppose to be studying
@@courtneymcgriff-taylor3853 me too like most stories just be telling what im going through too 😭😭
Everyday an night
Me to I Love his program👍💯
Me too I didn't know anything about this show on television glad I came across it on UA-cam 💯
It's a shame that Colorism kills people.
Karamo said that he cheated with a 13th woman but during his lame confession he never said that it was a woman he cheated with. He said a long time Friend 🤔
👀🤔
I came to the comments for this!!!
Im darkskin.. my ex called me cocky “ i need to be humbled” I left that ass 😂. Girl leave him he gonna be fat bald and possibly with a man in the future. Just co parent!!!
He was grinning, too, which indicates he thinks its funny and I'm 1000% sure it was way more than 13 "women". . he just went with it. He thought it was funny that she had NO CLUE how many people he had REALLY cheated with.
@@Elizetabethhe straight up laughed after karamo
Said 12x . It’s no need to read into it. Hes blatant asf wit it
That brought tears to my eyes she’s so pretty! To want to change yourself completely and to loose your baby. I wish her all the healing, acceptance, and love she deserves this year.
He’s giving that he’s either Gay or Bi at the very least.
Yes I’m picking them Vibez up lol
That's why she doesn't want them to go through his phone frfr
Karamo is so fineeee and dress so well. I know he smells good.
BTW this woman is beautiful ❤ natural face and all if only she knew she can get her a wonderful man .
Yep he a glitter baby at night.
“My standards are higher” was a WORD ! Girl he don’t understand why you with him at all
Losing a year of valuable friendship over a bum is ridiculous
He got some nerves talking about "alright" . She's gorgeous with that flawless skin.
He need to come out
Yes he needs to come out of the closet. It's 2024. 😂😂
😂😂😂
Just get it over with!!😅
Yes cause this is not 👍
With his hairline
My beautiful black sister.... I too am dark skinned and i had issues with my skin tone as a child too. I was ridiculed, callled names. Please love yourself!!!! You are gorgeous!!!! It took me so long to get to a place where i could love myself. It won't be easy but like Karamo said....think of your babies.. But first, love yourself. Sending you so much positivity and love .... Peace and Blessings my sister.
He cheated 12xs with men or women???😂😂😂.
😂😂😂😂
Men lol
@@Inputdonutz LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s what I’m sayin lol
I’m sure it’s both
Beautiful is an understatement. She is just stunning! I look forward to her finding the love and peace she needs, even if it’s not in a relationship.
All my black Queens don't never change for a man!! I been there before wanting to change my looks for a man until something tragic happen to me and my confidence is through the roof now 🥰
Share your story. A whole lotta people could benefit.
@@sherei9530 Will do Queen 👑
@@sherei9530 I was in a abusive relationship August 30 will be 3 years I got away we use to work together. He had me feeling low about myself I walked around with my head down all the time cause he didn't want me speaking just saying hey to a man, I was called every name in the book, he told me I'm not sh** and that I would never be sh** in life, a man would never want me in life. We worked together he would physically abuse me in front of people even the manager knew but the manager kept saying how nice of a man he was and he would carry his gun around every where. A girl at the job was visually impaired couldn't see good I would take her to get food on lunch break come to find out he was cheating on me with her and the girl wanted to be best friends with me afterwards
@@sherei9530❤❤❤
I agree . Some crazy shxit happened to me but somehow it worked out for the best . It’s your mindset that has to change . Cux now looking at these ladies I just wish they could all see
It brought me to tears watching the first girl she is so beautiful i can't understand why people would be so cruel if you don't want someone sit down so they can see the person behind you
You are beautiful as you are! No amount of surgery will make him love you.
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Girl RUN and don't look back this makes me very sad she deserves so much more and way better than him
That comment works for the entire episode
She is afraid to face the truth. She needs to be strong and just leave him alone. He is stringing her along.
Karamo that "both are equally as beautiful" lineeeeeeeeeeee . The big brother i never had!!!
Jocelyn is absolutely gorgeous
She really is
If he was not attracted to her then leave her alone! She’s a beautiful young lady and she deserves someone who will TREAT HER WITH ABSOLUTE RESPECT!
Money is looking more like two dimes and a nickel in change
Not worth 1 penny with a hole in it
I see Marco playing Marco Polo with a pool fool of men🥴
Why does Jocelyn accept this behavior from her boyfriend? Why have three kids with him? He obviously isn't a man of good, moral character. He isn't even attractive!!! I laughed when he said his standards are higher. Lol!!! That's a joke!!! You teach people how to treat you. She needs to run as fast as she can!!! He isn't going to change. He will continue to cheat. She deserves so much better!!! Jocelyn, know your worth!!!
He will continue to cheat. Leave him
She’s gorgeous and he’s definitely gay 😅
I hate how dark skinned women are treated bad because of their beautiful skin tone. My niece is 7 years old & she’s dark skinned and she wishes she was lighter skin tone because of the way the other kids tease her for being dark skinned 😢.
Dear dark skinned women you are beautiful & you’re worth everything you desire in life!! Don’t let nobody tell you otherwise 🤎🖤🤎🖤
Thank you young dark skinned beautiful girls need to hear this more 🎉😊
I can't wait for her to look back at this and be proud of how far she's come, without Marco. She's stunning and it's time she knew it.
The 1st woman looks like a model. Absolutely GORGEOUS!!! Soooo very pretty!!
"You got this lil boy up here playing with you" KARAMOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Say so pastor !
"So you chose a temporary man over your friend?"
I find it so funny that these Woman feel their Friends owe them explanations more than their man does. They always want to go hard on a Gf and not their man.
MONEY IS NOT THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. IT IS THE L O V E of MONEY is THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
This is just ridiculous. The conversation ended for me when she said she’s aware he cheated 12 TIMES??!! Girl bye cut him loose ❤❤
I really wish dark skin women stop thinking there not beautiful. Don’t they know they all the most beautiful women in the world. They are on a different level. She is so beautiful. Girl know your worth and walk away. It only take once for me and I’m out.
Go where you’re celebrated Queen!
‘ lying through his teeth he he like big booty on men🤣
So she end a 10 year friendship but keep the man and still going through the drama.
Girl he for the other side he don't like women I'm light skin thick smart and gorgeous loving go getter an my husband ex husband. Now thank God had the nerve to tell me after he cheated our whole 17 year marriage he like dark skin women he probably did that day but the point is he was for the streets because he cheated with every kind of woman. It don't matter when they Disrespectful heartless and coldhearted let that azz go Period God bless u beautiful ❤
Her skin complex is so dam georgerous
Her face is beautiful
No person, male or female should change their physical appearance for anyone. You are who you are!!! You are beautiful, well spoken and carry yourself well. You are a great Mom. Don't send the messages to your children that you have to change to be accepted by someone else. It doesn't mean he will want you more than he does now. Dont lose sight of who you are!!
I hope he doesn't think he's really handsome with that nappy beard....
He seems a little zesty and immature ‼️
1st girl is SUPER beautiful. She had the prettiest skin tone. I wish she could see herself through my eyes
She’s gorgeous & that pink is popping on her skin! 💕 Hope she realized that he NEVER deserved her, nor wanted her & he clearly like men with his funny looking self. Live in your truth sir. 👏🏽 Let it go sister.
He hiding his true feelings for men
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Facts
Even if she wasn't beautiful....she doesn't deserve that. He's using her as a placeholder until he finds what he wants
Thanks!
Foolish is 2 babies, NO RING and STILL CHEATING! That's stupidity.
I was walking with my phone in my pocket as I’m listening to this story. First off he def sound like he is not even into women. Secondly, when he starts talking about her looks, I look at my phone to see what she looks like. As a straight woman, I know for a fact this man child is not into woman because she is stunningly beautiful.
He just needs to let her know he will never be faithful to her or any other woman because he’s into men!
I hope she finds the strength to leave his azz and find someone who loves and values her.
Money ain't got no money 😂😂
Karamo it was very Nice of you to send the to best friends to the nail shop for a spa day together.good show keep it up
You're not fully clean unless you're zestfully clean and he is zesty to the fullest
He already cheated 12 times, what's unlocking his phone gonna prove! You already took him back 12 xs. What do you expect. You get what you get at this point.🤷🏾♀️
Shorty in the pink a ten he out his mind
He’s looking for a place to stay!
Mr. Zesty doesn't want you chile. Zesty cheats so much because Zesty trying to find himself and he just hasn't found who he really is, because he's not trying to accept his Zesty truth. Guuuurl, you better head for the border!!!!
Exactly!
My new favorite show 🤭
Sammeeee
I LOVE Karamo!!!!! Help her, because she really needs it. She deflected every comment he made about her. Clearly stating she’s not the one for him. He’s a not the 1 or the 2 he sounds SLOW…
Second situation I feel dude was honest about he did not say they was in a relationship. She just one of those who be with a man and because he having sex and coming around all the time they in a relationship. My thing is if a man didn’t come out of his mouth that we are a couple then ima keep it stepping.
Marco got a lil sprinkle of zest … and he not that cute ! Move on baby girl
Karamo was just disgusted with Marco. Couldn’t even hide it 🤕
Him : ima go getter
Karamo : what are you going and getting besides sex ? 😂😂😂😂
Jocelyn is beautiful, I’m sad she can’t see it! Marco is a waste of time.
You are a beautiful Queen. People envy your melenan skin every day. I pray you find a grown man who values every part of you. I pray blessings over you and your girls.
She is gorgeous. This is fully skin color. She deserves so much better. He isn't even cute.
Why is it so hard for Black People to just say "I'm sorry." ? Instead of the rambling excuses.
Lack of accountability.😭
Not gonna even cap this made me ball my eyes out to my best friend these women reminded me so much of me and my best friend I’m more of the shy one and she’s more of the outgoing one and strong, when it comes up to men like this but I literally called her and cried and let her know that I love her so much and now never pick no man or boy over her
this man is very much bisexual
You was thinking about surgery to be better for him?! Girl please. That is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard.
Girl you totally deserve better
Jocelyn is absolutely beautiful!
Karoma asked if she could afford her rent, she probably paying everything on her own.
I would never be that girls friend again … smh . Sittin up there smiling because she picked a man over her friend … chile
Girl you're too pretty for that,you sound like you have much more to offer
she is absolutely gorgeous
His confession should’ve been he’s a lover of men. Just own it, ain’t no shame.
The gag is that man is gay and NOT so easy on the eyes🤣 his confidence is insaneeeee.
Money ain't got no money .😂
Karamo ❤!, “I’m exhausted by you, get off my stage!”
Made me so happy.
The most salty interaction of 2024 😂 damn, I was holding back my laughter lol
Marco is not the end all be all! Trust me on that! He’s not all that! You deserve someone who will love you for you!
He looked as if Karamo was the next to get his attention 🧐
“Money ain’t got no money” The way those two laughed the same way in unison after that. AMAZING!! 🤗🥰 I played that part back four times!!
She is so beautiful omg
I had a man I dated for over a year that pretty much did me the same way. We went out every weekend cuz of our work hours. I called his phone and he tried to declined but accidentally answered it and I heard a female in the background. He told me that we never made it official. Ladie don't just keep sleeping with a man be specific on what you want out of that relationship or friendship.
This has been true time and time again. A man or a woman will only treat you based on what you allow them to do.
I just have wished I had her beautiful skintone.
Jocelyn is gorgeous! I hope she finds her self-worth and self-esteem because she deserves so much more! Her skin is absolutely beautiful and flawless. I wish all dark skinned women would receive the praise and uplifting they need and deserve to know just how truly beautiful they are, especially in a world filled with so much hate, envy, and ugliness!
What is there to clarify?? You saw the blatant flirting. Neither one of them is solid. Drop them both. Tf