HVAC Contractors Hate This! - USA States Band Together!
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- In this video, Joshua Griffin goes over an article explaining how some USA states are getting together and possibly banning certain HVAC systems. Nine states have pledged to boost heat pump installations within their states. These pledges may lead to stricter laws and banning of HVAC systems, not conforming to zero emission standards. Josh covers the article and gives a few concerns, revolving around consumers and buying HVAC systems.
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Just for fun I looked up the performance data for 2 Carrier product 3 ton heat pumps. The first is a Carrier 15 SEER system and the second one is a Bryant 23 SEER Variable speed system. At 47F the Carrier has a heating capacity of 30K BTU, at 3F it has a heating capacity of 12K BTU. The Bryant has an impressive heating capacity of 44K Btu at 47F, but drops to 23K Btu at 3F.
All heat pumps lose capacity as the outside temperature drops. Another way to look at it is the more you need the less you get. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of heat pumps and have installed more of them than I can count over the years.
That 3 ton Carrier unit should be able to keep you warm in 3F temperatures as long as your house isn't rejecting more than 12K BTU/H.
Knowing your heat loss/gain and the heat pumps capacity at YOUR design temperature will give you the answer as to whether it will work. Make the salesman give you the numbers before you sign the contract!
Are you in Utah? Looking for a good HVAC person to help me
@@adamton7274 I'm in north Texas. Sorry. I'd recommend getting a referral from someone you know and trust. The ones that advertise on the morning TV shows only want to install new high end units at ridiculous prices.
I have a heat pump and I live in north Texas where a well installed and tuned heat pump will work 95+ percent of the time. We're rarely below 25F so it's really not a problem. When I was installing systems years ago, I would only recommend a heat pump if the customer already had one or if they were using resistance heat. Gas furnaces in this part of Texas will almost last a lifetime and are more cost efficient in my opinion. I would recommend anyone in a climate where 10F-15F is the norm in the winter to get an iron clad performance warranty from anyone trying to sell them a heat pump. When the supplemental or emergency heat starts running, and it will at those temperatures you can almost see the Benjamin's flying out the door. Don't just listen to the salesman, make him put it in writing! PS- I work on heat pumps on a daily basis.
In Michigan we don't offer heat pumps with electric backup.... We install them on top of a gas fired furnace. Economically they didn't make a lot of sense if the customer had natural gas, but they really shine when they have propane.
ok, these states that use oil also have homes that are not supplied with enough electricity to accommodate a Heat pump. Thats an additional expense in a Runaway inflation economy. This isn't in a normal person's budget when you spring it on them, especially the older community that may be on a fixed income. You're forcing more debt onto the citizens.
2nd. If they made every state do this at the same time, I feel it would overload the current electricity supply and we would experience rolling blackouts. This plan being forced and no official explaining to the population why it's being quickly forced, seems to be hidden and evil.
we need 100% transparency in our government because this Climate Green policy is going to ruin our civilization. I feel there is A LOT more to this story we are being alluded to.
Follow the money.
This is why I call this industry cheating and fooling.
They already warn that we are headed for rolling blackouts because "environmental" extremists either do not understand why most of the electric grid capacity has to be _dispatchable_ or else they do not care, and they really do have an oppress-the-people agenda, I suspect the latter. Taking dispatchable power offline such as nuclear, hydroelectric, coal, and replacing it with not nearly enough solar and wind and horrible nearly-nonexistent storage capacity, is a surefire way of causing rolling blackouts and losing what manufacturing capacity we have left in this failing country. Dispatchable means capacity that can quickly be brought online to match rising demand, because bad things happen if there is more demand than supply, forcing them to "shed load" with rolling blackouts. Who will want to build a factory in a country that can not assure reliable 24-7 electricity? The Left is trying to make us a third world poverty country on purpose, which is high treason!
Thank you very much for your comment, and you are right on. There is no need for this insane "climate" mania rush. That the Left can't be bothered to consider things like science, physics, the very long sometimes research and development time, or even economic feasibility, is all the more reason why they should never be allowed to be making or forcing our policies.
And then look at all the places ruined by Democrats. NYC is losing a lot of stores, because they shoplifting due to soft-on-crime Democrats are making stores unsafe and unprofitable so stores are pulling out. Imagine soon when even more millions of Americans are forced to flee a Democrat-failing country. And with what money? It is like they are purposely shrinking the middle-class, so that only the filthy-rich can have any options. I don't see it ending well if this insanity is not stopped very quickly.
I may start to look into heat pumps myself. Not happy with how NJNG had been raising delivery charges far higher than the rate of inflation, especially before the pandemic. For example, 2018 to 2019 the delivery charge went up by ~18%.
I'm confused. I always thought geothermal heat pumps were heat pumps that were ground sourced rather than air sourced. So, wouldn't they be considered heat pumps in those states?
It’s a good idea especially for places like Maine with fuel oil and California where natural gas is way more expensive than the rest of the country. I think the biggest hurdle will be bringing the price down for cold climate heat pumps - right now manufacturers mark them up even though they’re not really that much more expensive to build. Hopefully competition can happen and the consumer benefits
That’s a good point. There are some more budget friendly options out there though
There’s been heat pumps used in PA for many years from people I know it’s kinda surprising to me and I know some with geothermal. Our friend who works on boilers is older so he doesn’t care to learn more about heat pumps but he uses them in his house and is very happy with them. (XLTH Fujitsus)
I ran into a bunch of Fujitsu heat pumps when I visited Pennsylvania a couple years ago and stayed in various cabins. Seems like they work pretty well
I feel like saying "Northeast" pretty much sums it up.
Plus it blows my mind how sensible people capitulate to the fringe among us.
I'm all for efficiency and stewardship but these gals are simultaneously driving the costs up for everything while demanding we all sacrifice to pay for their delusions.
I know there's a lot of things like this but it's reminding me of "you have to pass the bill to find out what's in it". Why are we collectively such slow learners?
It is looking a lot like they actually want to destroy the country, which is high treason!
A confluence of bad ideas and bad policies sure to bring rolling blackouts at the least. And then how do we know that we won't be attacked by enemy countries, when we let ourselves be weakened by the evil Left?
Such long bills should not even be allowed. They should be required to read every last word of a bill, several times on the main floor, before they can even take a vote on it. In the early history of this once-great country, bills were not 100s and 1000s of pages long.
_Why are we collectively such slow learners?_ Government monopoly schools, too much liar TV watching, fake-news that refuses to tell the truth nor to cover the relevant and important news.
Heat pumps are great, but Colroado has crazy diurnal swings making hybrid fuel necessary. A big enough 100% heat pump would be oversized for cooling, as well the auxiliary natural gas is good as a back-up.
That's what I did, thirty years ago. Plus, redundancy can pay off.
@@elgringoec
That is yet another reason why I have to be against all this insane "climate" mania, that is not even based upon science BTW. It does not benefit the customers. I once had 3 ways that I could heat my home, one natural gas only, one natural gas and electricity, and one only electricity. All independent of one another, each having its own thermostat. Redundancy much? Yeah, that is the idea, and when people are short on money or in-between jobs, it is good to have a backup system and to be able to delay repairs for years until they have the budget to afford a repair or replacement. Thus with 3 methods of heating, I can make choices according to temperature and the costs of utilities. So those 3 options were the original furnace, gas logs with a wall thermostat that requires no batteries and works still during power outages much the same as a gas water heater, and then of course the heat pump. The heat pump soon crapped out and hasn't cooled in years. I currently heat with my vent-free gas logs, as that uses less gas than that old furnace.
My get-by far-cheaper window air conditioner does not have any heat pump capability. Either the stores do not have enough selection or else the models with heat, are a lot more expensive and thus do not make sense, when I could just plug in an electric space heater and not have to give up a window for it.
@@yosefmacgruber1920
Huh, but what about Greta? "How dare you!" She's as scientific as it gets these days. 😂
I'm more in tune with SabineHosfelter.
Let's see... I started with a heat pump and gas furnace dual fuel. Since then I've added floor resistance heating where I put tile, a wood stove, and two mini splits. Actually, the wood stove alone heats the entire house comfortably by itself in the coldest of outdoor conditions. It just requires a lot of handling from cutting and splitting to hauling and keeping it burning. And it spreads evenly throughout with my system of three automatic blowers. But it saves resources. So yeah lots of options and power outage ready. Cheers.
@@elgringoec
Sometimes our tastes change. All the more reason to put in multiple systems. Some people like a heated floor. It is more common in other countries.
There is a military saying, that "Two is one, and one is none". Do you know what that means? That means, if you only have one, it is going to break. Better have more than you need. If you only have a heat pump, maybe you better have a kerosene or electric space heater(s). Or you will wish you had something besides. So then it bothers me that I have only one old car and just one house. Shouldn't I have a spare? But those things are expensive. I do have several electric space heaters, and not just one. I think my gas logs, not a big set, are rated at 23000-33000 BTUs. An electric space heater is but only 5000 BTUs. That means whenever my gas logs cycle, they put out the equivalent of 4 and a half electric space heaters. I usually keep the gas log flame at its lowest setting, because I would rather it cycle a longer time, than to have it shut off and look at a cold dark hole in the fireplace. Thus, especially in the U.S. where most of the electric outlets are limited to 15 amps, maybe 20A, and 120 volts, our electric space heaters *are weak.* My Dad somewhere came up with an electric space heater that heated the entire apartment. But it was some more industrial model that plugged into the 240 volt air conditioner outlet. He thought that the ceiling heat (electric) put too much heat up into the attic and not where it is needed, and electricity of course, is not free.
Wood is a bad way to heat, because of the inconvenience, creosote, and poor efficiency. If somebody is going to heat with wood, then a wood stove works far better than a fireplace does. The "environmental" radicals I think want to deny people the right to burn their own wood, because they want us locked into their own monopoly-rigged corrupt economic system. They seem to think it is "unfair" for your to have a better standard of living, due to your really great work ethic and you making better decisions than they. They opine that things should be more equal and "fair", even though that really means spreading the misery and poverty around.
I believe that we should power the world, by thorium nuclear power, or free-energy technology, or at least clean natural gas, because with a whopping huge world population of 8.1 billion and growing, we should have some interest in cleaner and more productive options, and I believe we should go on growing, we humans should not even try to restrain the natural increase of our numbers. Like huge numbers of people, I also have objections against birth control, and "environmental" radicals trying to limit our technology and development options, does not help matters but makes them appear sadistic and even likely Satan worshipers.
@@yosefmacgruber1920
I'd say you totally nailed it but I have a couple disagreements. First off, most outlet circuits are on 20A breakers and wired with 12ga, at least for homes built in the last 30-40 years. 15A, 14ga circuits are usually for lighting or point loads. Older homes can be pretty crazy though. Second, I love my wood heat! Particularly in sub-freezing outdoor temps, it provides a radiant source to snuggle up to and regain warmth after being outside when it's freezing. Plus it definitely cuts back on the electric and gas bills. Plus it's kinda fun to cut, split, and carry up the firewood, at least for me. But I started young. And creosote, I don't have an issue with that at all. I haven't had to clean my current chimney since I installed it some 15 years ago. I guess it pays to know how to avoid the pitfalls (like with most things. And why inept people always want to remove people's freedoms to do the things which they themselves are unable or unwilling.)
More Gov regulations equals more dollar cost for the consumer. As you said in an earlier video, more efficient is more money. Return on Investment is 12yrs plus. Can electrical grid take the demand on those cold or hot days w/o blackouts? That is the problem.
In practice, you will never see the return on investment. One break-down outside of warranty and any saving you might have racked up gets blasted to the repair bill. That high efficiency system demands high cost repairs.
It just doesn't make any sense to not use heat pumps at this point, all houses get an air conditioner, might as well make it work the whole year instead of just one season. Dual fuel if needed, but the heat pump should be able to handle the significant majority of heating needs, no reason to avoid.
My 13 year old crappy budget heat pump kept up all winter without uses the heat strips(i disabled them), hit a low of -5, North Kentucky.
That’s impressive!
", might as well make it work the whole year instead of just one season"
And wear out twice as fast.
How did you disable the electric resistance heat?
That was something else that I did not like about my heat pump, many years ago when it still worked. I could not lower the temperature when away, then jack it up again when I get home. Because it would turn on the electric resistance heat. I would rather it just take as long as it takes, rather than run up my electric bill when it is not really that cold outside. So then it ends up being that I can't turn down the heat when away, which was never an issue with a gas furnace.
I would have liked to see some sort of Setting on my thermostat, as to whether I want the resistance heat enabled or not. Heat pumps used to have a really bad reputation for blowing barely-warm air when the outside temperature was too cold. Thus they had to have backup resistance heat. On a 60A circuit breaker, for the inside resistance part, that seems to be a big "ouch" to the electric bill.
Now I am quite happy to heat with natural gas.
@@yosefmacgruber1920 pull the wire for it out of your thermostat is the easiest, just 1 little screw. Usually the W wire, but you may need to check.
The heat strips will still run like this, when the outside unit calls for defrost mode, this is mostly a human comfort thing, you can also just unplug the solenoids inside the air handler. Should be 1 solenoid per 5kw heat strip.
As a bonus tip, look up a video on changing your heat pump's defrost timer. Probably by default it's set to 30 minutes which is usually way too frequent
@@wrefk
So it is the thermostat that turns on the resistance heating elements? I guess I was thinking that if the call for heat lasts for too long, then it decides to turn on the resistance heat. Maybe it didn't last as long as it should, due to a poor quality install? As I had to call them up and complain that the thermostat was not working right. They had messed up its wiring, switching heat and cooling wires.
I don't think that they are called "solenoids". Probably "contacters", a fancy name for relays that control something that pulls a lot of current.
Now we all know that they have to design things for the worst possible weather, otherwise some customers will complain. And what if you live in a climate where the temperature rarely drops below freezing anyway? Most of us are not going to tweak our systems, as we are not that confident that we will not actually mess it up.
Engineer's Principle: If it is not broke, don't fix it.
It has been well-known that heat pumps struggle to provide heat, when it is too cold outside. Gas furnaces never had this problem, they produce a good amount of heat, regardless of the weather outside.
The evil Left has become extremely intolerant and manipulative, and they need to be severely criticized, even prosecuted for that. There is no valid reason to be mandating heat pumps. It should be a choice of the customer, even a redundancy. I lent a space heater to a neighbor, when he was having some problem with his furnace. Imagine if he had a heat pump, he could have gotten by with that, until the furnace repair person could come.
This evil "climate" mania is out-of-control. Their theory is bogus and has no proof. Actually, the WHO and the WEF need to be prosecuted and abolished. I should throw in the U.N. to be abolished also, but I don't recall any specific and recent talking points about the U.N.
As a Canadian living in North Western Ontario Canada after the first winter with heat pumps I can say that I'm very impressed. At -27c (-16f) still had a good heat in a 65 year old home. Looking forward to trying AC this summer. Propane, oil and wood are my other options.
Was it using the heat pump alone, or also using auxiliary (electric) heat?
@@seroxide Heat pumps only at -27c (-16f) but I could tell they were working hard running at 1.6 efficiency . That's the coldest it got here this winter which is unusual for this part of the world. I have an electric forced air furnace for backup if the temp drops below the heat pumps rated low of -30c. Heating costs are about 60% less than our winter average.
We had the same with our new heat pumps I installed last year. Even around -6F during the coldest times it still kept our home warm and my electric bill was not bad.
@@Fast1Guy That's incredible! Would you mind sharing the make and model of your heat pump system. I want to look up the performance data specs. Thanks!
@@seroxide Senville (Made by Midea) SENA/18HF/D and SENA/30HF/T
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. People in Maine are really gonna freeze when that cold Canadian wind blows below 10 degrees and that heat pump won’t be able to keep up. Better invest in a pellet stove or your electric bill will skyrocket when those emergency electric heating elements kick in.
There are new heat pumps that use two compressors to boost heat production in super cold areas, one pump brings the refrigerant up to its most efficient point then the next boots it even higher. It was an interesting thing to see, and I feel like that is the future.
_The road to hell is paved with good intentions?_ I hear that has been revised to read, "The road to hell is paved with Democrats." And I think we seriously need to question whether the intentions are even good. Isn't it possible that they know what they are doing, and they are doing it on purpose? To weaken and destroy this country, to usher in their globalist Marxist dystopia that can not possibly work, or perhaps they are sadistic or outright Satan worshipers.
I like your idea of a backup option, but a pellet stove? How can you sell that to me, or to people who are not seriously off-grid already? Many of our homes are too small for a wood or pellet stove. And if the worst does not happen, then it has to be removed or else it ruins the resale value.
And I wouldn't want to live that far north, as I don't like the cold, nor would I even want to have to drive through a blue state. I do not trust Democrats at all, especially after their bad behavior during the plan-demic and finding out that they are stealing our elections.
I once had a heat pump as a backup option, not at all to replace my natural gas options, but it soon crapped out and won't cool anymore. Hardly selling me on this "climate" mania idea. I can't afford to replace it now. Is the corrupt government going to issue us free heat pumps? Yeah, I did not think so.
@@JarredSutherland
Oh yay! So now the new heat pumps have even more stuff to break in them? Now if either compressor craps out, you have no heat and no cooling. Not a good plan. We should keep our furnaces as main heating option, or at least as a backup when the system inevitably breaks sooner than we were led to believe.
And how warm will people be during a cold snap, when the electric grid can't handle all the demands for heat? Well at least maybe you can set your refrigerator food outside to keep it cold. How are we keeping the pipes inside from freezing? Perhaps with unsafe candles?
I LOVE IT!!!!!I hate working on gas 😊
Smelly gas 🤣
@@NewHVACGuide exactly 🤣
My Dad loved his natural gas. Burns clean with fewer problems than his oil furnace. When they put the gas line in, he got rid of the oil furnace and put in gas.
He probably should have gotten rid of his ancient electric stove that came with the house, and put in a gas stove like he had before he moved.
I have an ancient electric stove also, but at least mine has knobs. (Simmerstats I think is the technical term.) His had several buttons for different heat levels for the coil burners. It would probably look better in a museum.
As a homeowner, I love my 90% efficient, gas furnace used to heat with the heat pump and to me I just couldn’t never go back to a heat pump
Band together..... Not Ban
Thank you Papa Smurf!
"Ban to Together" ?
Heat pumps suck. Nat gas is the best value to heat a home
All natural 🙂
As a contractor 90% of what I sell are heat pumps. What’s interesting is that the 10% of people that don’t buy heat pumps are all part of a particular political party.
Victor-- In a video you created last summer about your system going down, you explained your confusion about what to do. I find that interesting coming from a self avowed HVAC contractor. Care to clear that up for us. It sounds like something from a certain political party!
www.youtube.com/@victorsr6708
@@seroxide could it be the June 29th 2023? That is a customer of mine speaking about how I was able to help him make their decision on what type of HVAC system to install.
@@victorsr6708 Yes- That's the one. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was on your feed.
Ok bud we don't use them in Michigan because they suck.