SaccharineTrust - Live at the Peppermint Lounge (December 27th?, 1981)

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  • Опубліковано 24 лют 2021
  • Recorded on 3/4" U-matic tape that was found in a dumpster from a friend of a friend.

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  • @earlliberty5587
    @earlliberty5587 3 роки тому +127

    I always wondered where this video went. I wish my waistline was still that slim! :-P

    • @bobbyho
      @bobbyho 3 роки тому +2

      BUP!!

    • @traedelrae5704
      @traedelrae5704 3 роки тому +17

      I hope ya'll are really proud of this record! It is such a huge influence to countless people from every generation of punk since this was filmed. I'm sure you know. Truly amazing stuff

    • @msgeek703
      @msgeek703 3 роки тому +2

      Paganicons was one of the first gothic albums ever. Gothic content, not goth as a fashion statement or aesthetic.

    • @ericmarais9667
      @ericmarais9667 3 роки тому +3

      God damn you guys were so fucking good ! Thank you.

    • @deathmetaldouglas69
      @deathmetaldouglas69 2 роки тому

      Watching it makes me miss the hell out of my Ibanez Roadster (1982 Brazilian Brown model) more than my old waistline.

  • @TheCheesyRice
    @TheCheesyRice 3 роки тому +91

    This is the greatest dumpster find ever found. This is King Tut level.

    • @incumbentvinyl9291
      @incumbentvinyl9291 2 роки тому +2

      Source?

    • @zeldawalda2777
      @zeldawalda2777 Рік тому +1

      Ha, yes! King Tut level :))

    • @albertmojicajr.-so6uc
      @albertmojicajr.-so6uc Рік тому +1

      Seemingly. When there is a band member wearing another band(s) name: Bass Player/Black Flag - What is anyone to think? AMJ metaltomotown

  • @cftvdata
    @cftvdata 3 роки тому +32

    Timestamps if anyone wants 'em:
    0:00 Effort to Waste (fades in)
    2:23 Community Lie
    3:54 Sunk
    5:47 I Have...
    7:55 YHWH on Acid
    10:28 We Don't Need Freedom
    12:11 Mad at the Co.
    12:43 Success & Failure
    15:31 Craving the Center
    16:58 Hearts & Barbarians (fast version)

  • @ronkretsch1413
    @ronkretsch1413 3 роки тому +36

    WOW.
    Most underrated SST band by miles; this footage is GOLD. A thousand thanks, dumpster-diver, for catching this.

  • @WorldRockumentaryChannel
    @WorldRockumentaryChannel 2 роки тому +15

    Fricken incredible Joe Biaza ripping sound on guitar, this was the first jazz punk art band for me

  • @CoffinPrick
    @CoffinPrick 3 роки тому +23

    Incredible! This is Saccharine Trust at their absolute peak. What a find!

    • @franksmith4277
      @franksmith4277 2 роки тому

      This was their peak? Their previous stuff must have really sucked.

    • @heavycheck57
      @heavycheck57 2 роки тому +1

      @@franksmith4277 Thank you for being so Frank...

    • @franksmith4277
      @franksmith4277 2 роки тому

      @@heavycheck57 👍

  • @ratmusicforratpeople7116
    @ratmusicforratpeople7116 3 роки тому +24

    this is a gem, amazing sound quality.

  • @johnspence9718
    @johnspence9718 Рік тому +10

    I really hated this new technology. Fk, I still have my old vinyl. But then I started to come across video from bands I used to go see in the 70-90's. Thank you very much for uploading this. Finally, some live Saccharine Trust footage. Two things come to mind. The first is that I never saw the video cameras during these concerts, and back then they were too large to be hidden. Probably all the Md 20/20 I was drinking. I'm glad someone took the time to film these shows. These bands sold so few records, the musicians literally starved, going from show to show on tour making just enough $$ to pay for gasoline & tolls. Possibly some spaghetti & tomato sauce if they were lucky.
    The second thing is how disappointing that the only Saccharine Trust footage I can find has the entire show, but they didn't play my favorite song, A Human Certainty. I think it's the only one in their repertoire that they didn't play this show. What are the odds ??

  • @smashism
    @smashism 3 роки тому +41

    This is an absolute gem, Holy crap. I can't believe this was salvaged from a dumpster. This is incredible.

    • @chn71
      @chn71 2 роки тому +3

      Makes you wonder just how much video gold has been tossed out by people who had no idea what they had.

    • @incumbentvinyl9291
      @incumbentvinyl9291 2 роки тому

      Is there a source for this information?

    • @franksmith4277
      @franksmith4277 2 роки тому

      The dumpster was where it belonged.

    • @glenbellefonte9620
      @glenbellefonte9620 Рік тому

      @@franksmith4277Yeah! If it belongs to your ma, it should be with her.

  • @EdGregor
    @EdGregor 3 роки тому +14

    ST was painting sound while everyone else was punching the walls

  • @ratdisco
    @ratdisco 2 роки тому +10

    Makes ya wonder how much amazing footage like this WASN'T miraculously recovered. A sad thought. Thanks for uploading!

  • @aaronjschaefer
    @aaronjschaefer 3 роки тому +6

    I always wondered how it was possible for a band like this to ever exist? One of a kind...

    • @franksmith4277
      @franksmith4277 2 роки тому

      There's absolutely nothing unique about this band except for possibly their shittyness.

  • @WorldRockumentaryChannel
    @WorldRockumentaryChannel 2 роки тому +3

    I heard these tunes on "the Future looks bright ahead" compilation. On cassette tape in 1981.

  • @jboyxd6573
    @jboyxd6573 3 роки тому +3

    Never thought I’d see early live footage

  • @Druffmaul
    @Druffmaul 2 роки тому +5

    This legit had me wondering if it was their studio record dubbed over live video footage. Amazing quality. Would love to see more footage from around the same time of whoever else played there back then.

  • @goodboysic
    @goodboysic 3 роки тому +12

    Songs: Effort to Waste, Community Lie, Sunk, I Have...,YHWH on Acid, We Don't Need Freedom, Mad at the Company, Success and Failure, Craving the Center, Hearts and Barbarians

  • @sunkenlandscapes
    @sunkenlandscapes 3 роки тому +7

    This is fucking incredible.

  • @Jil8840
    @Jil8840 3 місяці тому +1

    Excellent picture and sound quality!!!!!

  • @traedelrae5704
    @traedelrae5704 3 роки тому +11

    This is the best thing ever. I honestly don't understand why they ever wanted to change their sound.

    • @msgeek703
      @msgeek703 3 роки тому +7

      It's called evolution. I can appreciate them here as young musicians playing loud and fast. I can also appreciate them as Joe Baiza became one of the most unique, visionary guitarists on the planet.

    • @franksmith4277
      @franksmith4277 2 роки тому

      I can understand why they wanted to change their sound. This is terrible.

    • @glenbellefonte9620
      @glenbellefonte9620 Рік тому

      @@franksmith4277 well, just because they aren't interested in you, you can still find a boyfriend that is.

  • @maddogg63
    @maddogg63 3 роки тому +13

    smashing quality! south bay representing hard! fucking Jack killing it.

    • @bobbyho
      @bobbyho 3 роки тому

      Getting all Skeezy with it too. Ha!

  • @turkeydogduck
    @turkeydogduck 3 роки тому +9

    God damn this shit never gets old !!!! You guys are top 5 on my list and have been for bout 40 years. Your lyrics have stuck in my head. Thanks for your real shit.

  • @needtashow
    @needtashow 3 роки тому +7

    yes! such excellent quality considering what most video from this era looks and sounds like.

    • @hausofwheat
      @hausofwheat  3 роки тому +4

      And this isn't even Standard Definition

  • @testriot
    @testriot 2 роки тому +7

    One of the best sounding live recordings from an early 80's punk show that I've ever heard, and what a peroformance. Thank you very much for uploading this.

    • @liammcooper
      @liammcooper 2 роки тому +1

      i think the dumpster added some EQ

    • @glenbellefonte9620
      @glenbellefonte9620 Рік тому

      @@liammcooper if it weren't for dumpsters you'd STILL be a virgin.

  • @negativeimage8371
    @negativeimage8371 2 роки тому +3

    Finally great quality saccharine trust footage

  • @kilohertzstudio3429
    @kilohertzstudio3429 3 роки тому +4

    Rare. Rare. Rare.

  • @msgeek703
    @msgeek703 3 роки тому +3

    Wow!!! Baiza and Brewer, SOOOO young!!!! This is terrific!!! So glad this got found and digitized!!!

  • @InAverySilentWay
    @InAverySilentWay 3 роки тому +2

    This is amazing footage!

  • @smashism
    @smashism 3 роки тому +7

    Thank you so much for sharing this.

  • @abuelosotero648
    @abuelosotero648 Рік тому +1

    What a show thanks!!!

  • @CatCasual
    @CatCasual 3 роки тому +5

    Woooooow. Thanks for saving, uploading.

  • @tomc7434
    @tomc7434 3 роки тому +3

    Great find ma man. Sounds incredible.

  • @jasonmisfit5781
    @jasonmisfit5781 Рік тому +2

    THIS IS AWESOME

  • @discosecret6363
    @discosecret6363 2 роки тому +3

    All of the Peppermint Lounge sets you’ve uploaded are killer! I was only in 6th grade in 1981-82, so I missed all of these bands in their prime. Amazing quality. I’m glad these are being archived and shared, so future generations get to realize how lame they are.

    • @glenbellefonte9620
      @glenbellefonte9620 Рік тому

      It's amazing to me the way blatant flambe types seem to have an aversion towards good bands.

  • @ginoabeyta311
    @ginoabeyta311 3 роки тому +1

    Fantastic!!!

  • @picciloson
    @picciloson 2 роки тому +2

    Sick find!

  • @zombywoof1015
    @zombywoof1015 Рік тому

    I just came across this 09 03 22. Real good quality audio and video.

  • @justinallen4368
    @justinallen4368 3 місяці тому

    Joe Baiza is such a rad unique guitarist. This is awesome.

  • @chrisbopst
    @chrisbopst 2 роки тому +2

    So great

  • @kioloz
    @kioloz 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome!

  • @jasonmisfit5781
    @jasonmisfit5781 4 місяці тому

    Jack & Joe are two of the nicest guys you could ever meet...

  • @nenomengo
    @nenomengo 3 роки тому +1

    awesome!

  • @pariahthistledowne3934
    @pariahthistledowne3934 Рік тому +1

    Cat in the Flag shirt is classic, lol!

    • @MikeIXWilliams
      @MikeIXWilliams 8 місяців тому

      Earl Liberty, later joined Circle Jerks. Great guy and musician

  • @dougsmith7083
    @dougsmith7083 3 роки тому +2

    We need to look into more dumpsters if we can occasionally find such plentiful riches

  • @jdmech07
    @jdmech07 2 роки тому +2

    Pure fucking genius

  • @romespvid
    @romespvid 3 роки тому +3

    Seriously amazing. This should be music news of at least some degree.

  • @scottyconantwisdomoftrees5993
    @scottyconantwisdomoftrees5993 Рік тому +1

    One of the fucking BEST-

  • @WorldRockumentaryChannel
    @WorldRockumentaryChannel 2 роки тому +4

    Is that Earl Liberty on Bass?

  • @SUBTERRANEANKIDS
    @SUBTERRANEANKIDS 3 роки тому

    GREAT!

  • @FattyJubbo
    @FattyJubbo 3 роки тому +1

    wowzers!

  • @thomasmartin2838
    @thomasmartin2838 3 роки тому +2

    The date is probably right. They played at Streets in Boston on December 26th 1981.

  • @riccardoargi
    @riccardoargi 2 роки тому +2

    this is fucking wild! sounds great!

  • @cftvdata
    @cftvdata 3 роки тому +3

    This is genuinely incredible stuff. Thank you so much for uploading! I don't suppose the original tape still exists? If so, I might be able to put you in touch with someone who would definitely love a chance to re-digitize this and the DOA set in HD at 60fps and clean up the video (though admittedly it hardly needs it).

    • @hausofwheat
      @hausofwheat  3 роки тому +1

      It has been sent off and redigitized not sure when or where or of it was reposted

  • @jasonlynn1017
    @jasonlynn1017 10 місяців тому

    Civilization thanks you for this precious document. Holy Fucking Orpheus. Whoever threw it in the trash, belongs in the trash ("the scoops are coming..." ).
    This is sublimity defined.

  • @deathmetaldouglas69
    @deathmetaldouglas69 2 роки тому +2

    At 9:42 Brewer pulls a proto-Yow.

  • @ricardorodrigovargasdelapa2689
    @ricardorodrigovargasdelapa2689 3 роки тому +4

    "beautiful as a rock in a cop´s face"

    • @lynnpehrson8826
      @lynnpehrson8826 2 роки тому

      That's feederz

    • @glenbellefonte9620
      @glenbellefonte9620 Рік тому

      Anti cop leftist types are usually the first to call the cops when their safe space are threatened.

  • @lordswine7962
    @lordswine7962 3 роки тому +1

    Hearing the tracks from Pagans Icons is fucking righteous.

  • @spankyx8606
    @spankyx8606 3 роки тому +1

    hope they play I'm Right

  • @camofrog
    @camofrog 11 місяців тому +1

    Would have loved it if they taped Worldbroken while recording it.

  • @wadeoberlin7403
    @wadeoberlin7403 3 роки тому +3

    those paper airplanes, heh heh

  • @danielcuellar8075
    @danielcuellar8075 Рік тому +1

    Oh how I pine. Would love to know the line-up. Misfits maybe. Usually saw them with Black Flag. Early SST was sick. Huge ST fan.

  • @FellDestroyedMusic
    @FellDestroyedMusic 2 роки тому +2

    Fuckin incredible thank you!

  • @easylistening77
    @easylistening77 3 роки тому +5

    i saw them open for black flag on the damaged tour. sac trust were the real deal!

    • @JohnReganSeattle
      @JohnReganSeattle 3 роки тому

      Me too at the Living Room in Providence.

    • @MikeIXWilliams
      @MikeIXWilliams 8 місяців тому

      Same. In New Orleans. They were great… that goes without saying!!

  • @theefishlippedone
    @theefishlippedone 3 роки тому +1

    Wicked

  • @kookadams85
    @kookadams85 2 роки тому +1

    Paganicons is a trippy record.

  • @jimmyjimbo666
    @jimmyjimbo666 3 роки тому +1

    Wow! Who would throw this out :O!?

    • @scott12xu
      @scott12xu 3 роки тому +1

      Greg Ginn (see: all SST copies of The Stains s/t LP after they wanted their royalty money)

    • @jimmyjimbo666
      @jimmyjimbo666 3 роки тому +2

      @@scott12xu Wow... that's terrible. Well at least we got to see it.

  • @lookhere8800
    @lookhere8800 3 роки тому +2

    where you get these videos,,,Do you have KRAUT? This was opening for Black Flag?

  • @tomc7434
    @tomc7434 3 роки тому +1

    Forgot how much AB and ST had in common

  • @wadeoberlin7403
    @wadeoberlin7403 3 роки тому +1

    "14:20" we got all night, dude

  • @nickn626
    @nickn626 3 роки тому +1

    OK, was the tape found in a dumpster and then used to record this (what my reading suggests) or was the already-recorded performance found in a dumpster (what everyone else here seems to assume)?

    • @hausofwheat
      @hausofwheat  3 роки тому

      found 3/4" tape and then digitized, rendered and burned for a VCD and then years later, ripped and uploaded.

    • @jasonlynn1017
      @jasonlynn1017 10 місяців тому

      So someone just tossed this epic concert in the trash. Good God.

  • @mattdcomedy2228
    @mattdcomedy2228 2 місяці тому

    Somewhere in the internet there’s a video of Jack on stage reading a poem before a song. Can anyone tell me where that is?

  • @OrangeYTT
    @OrangeYTT 2 роки тому +1

    I really want to know the full story of this tape lmao

  • @williamjamesstack
    @williamjamesstack 3 роки тому

    This is so fucking sick

  • @secretsoftware
    @secretsoftware 3 роки тому

    When I die just throw me in the trash..

  • @mr.belvedere4283
    @mr.belvedere4283 2 роки тому +1

    who is the drummer?

    • @blacklighteye1991
      @blacklighteye1991 4 місяці тому

      Possibly Rob Holzman, but I'm not sure. Rob still plays with Baiza, Brewer and Stephen Reed in the current Paganicons version on Saccharine Trust.

  • @gregf.4814
    @gregf.4814 3 роки тому

    😳😜

  • @samuelblinne6040
    @samuelblinne6040 3 роки тому +3

    Opening for black flag

    • @hausofwheat
      @hausofwheat  3 роки тому +1

      Was wondering about that.

    • @bobbyho
      @bobbyho 3 роки тому +8

      This was the first of our two tours opening for black flag with the pagan icons line up. December of ‘81 and then again in the summer of ‘82, a 2 month tour.

  • @skinhead5
    @skinhead5 3 роки тому

    I can see people still pogoing. They must be the older Hollywood punks.
    We hardcore kids were slamming.

    • @glenbellefonte9620
      @glenbellefonte9620 Рік тому

      Are you a real SH or another wannabe that simply likes the imagery but doesn't want to commit and so joins a fake group

    • @skinhead5
      @skinhead5 Рік тому

      @@glenbellefonte9620 I'm an OG from 1983. You should shut your mouth when you are in the presence of an elder you small time punk.

    • @glenbellefonte9620
      @glenbellefonte9620 Рік тому

      @skinhead5 except I was a Skin in a real serious place where Skins weren't popular, likely about the time you were getting juice boxes in your lunch for school. Son.

    • @skinhead5
      @skinhead5 Рік тому

      @@glenbellefonte9620 I seriously doubt that junior.

    • @glenbellefonte9620
      @glenbellefonte9620 Рік тому +1

      @skinhead5 yeah, if it makes you feel better. But I know I was a Hammer, that Sharps aren't skins at all, but queens that like the look, and am well over fifty years old. What's really in doubt here is your ability to be a man.

  • @paulosicne8498
    @paulosicne8498 2 роки тому +1

    Saccharine Trust would have been much, MUCH more well known had they kept on making great music like this from their Pagan Icons album. But instead chose to play forgettable crap jazz fusion shit from their 2nd album: Surviving You , Always on down. Sometimes, like in this case, a band members think they're being progressive, but end up shooting themselves in the foot. This is the only album of their's worth listening to. Great album by the way.

    • @camofrog
      @camofrog 2 роки тому +2

      Cmon man Worldbroken is a masterpiece straight up.

    • @craigleblanc4593
      @craigleblanc4593 2 роки тому +4

      @@camofrog As is Surviving You, Always.

  • @samuelblinne6040
    @samuelblinne6040 3 роки тому +2

    Upload black flag

    • @hausofwheat
      @hausofwheat  3 роки тому +4

      I wish I had some! The tape with Sac also had the DOA show and Even Worse.

  • @romanlouche3702
    @romanlouche3702 29 днів тому

    Definitely lean more punk than art when the vocalist employs such a dry mic.

  • @shovedhead
    @shovedhead 3 місяці тому

    Harry Smith would have loved to have come into possession of that paper airplane probably.

  • @vslurk
    @vslurk Рік тому

    Who is the drummer?

    • @blacklighteye1991
      @blacklighteye1991 4 місяці тому

      Possibly Rob Holzman, but I'm not sure. Rob still plays with Baiza, Brewer and Stephen Reed in the current Paganicons version on Saccharine Trust.