I hope ya'll are really proud of this record! It is such a huge influence to countless people from every generation of punk since this was filmed. I'm sure you know. Truly amazing stuff
Timestamps if anyone wants 'em: 0:00 Effort to Waste (fades in) 2:23 Community Lie 3:54 Sunk 5:47 I Have... 7:55 YHWH on Acid 10:28 We Don't Need Freedom 12:11 Mad at the Co. 12:43 Success & Failure 15:31 Craving the Center 16:58 Hearts & Barbarians (fast version)
I really hated this new technology. Fk, I still have my old vinyl. But then I started to come across video from bands I used to go see in the 70-90's. Thank you very much for uploading this. Finally, some live Saccharine Trust footage. Two things come to mind. The first is that I never saw the video cameras during these concerts, and back then they were too large to be hidden. Probably all the Md 20/20 I was drinking. I'm glad someone took the time to film these shows. These bands sold so few records, the musicians literally starved, going from show to show on tour making just enough $$ to pay for gasoline & tolls. Possibly some spaghetti & tomato sauce if they were lucky. The second thing is how disappointing that the only Saccharine Trust footage I can find has the entire show, but they didn't play my favorite song, A Human Certainty. I think it's the only one in their repertoire that they didn't play this show. What are the odds ??
This legit had me wondering if it was their studio record dubbed over live video footage. Amazing quality. Would love to see more footage from around the same time of whoever else played there back then.
Songs: Effort to Waste, Community Lie, Sunk, I Have...,YHWH on Acid, We Don't Need Freedom, Mad at the Company, Success and Failure, Craving the Center, Hearts and Barbarians
It's called evolution. I can appreciate them here as young musicians playing loud and fast. I can also appreciate them as Joe Baiza became one of the most unique, visionary guitarists on the planet.
God damn this shit never gets old !!!! You guys are top 5 on my list and have been for bout 40 years. Your lyrics have stuck in my head. Thanks for your real shit.
One of the best sounding live recordings from an early 80's punk show that I've ever heard, and what a peroformance. Thank you very much for uploading this.
All of the Peppermint Lounge sets you’ve uploaded are killer! I was only in 6th grade in 1981-82, so I missed all of these bands in their prime. Amazing quality. I’m glad these are being archived and shared, so future generations get to realize how lame they are.
This is genuinely incredible stuff. Thank you so much for uploading! I don't suppose the original tape still exists? If so, I might be able to put you in touch with someone who would definitely love a chance to re-digitize this and the DOA set in HD at 60fps and clean up the video (though admittedly it hardly needs it).
Civilization thanks you for this precious document. Holy Fucking Orpheus. Whoever threw it in the trash, belongs in the trash ("the scoops are coming..." ). This is sublimity defined.
OK, was the tape found in a dumpster and then used to record this (what my reading suggests) or was the already-recorded performance found in a dumpster (what everyone else here seems to assume)?
This was the first of our two tours opening for black flag with the pagan icons line up. December of ‘81 and then again in the summer of ‘82, a 2 month tour.
@skinhead5 except I was a Skin in a real serious place where Skins weren't popular, likely about the time you were getting juice boxes in your lunch for school. Son.
@skinhead5 yeah, if it makes you feel better. But I know I was a Hammer, that Sharps aren't skins at all, but queens that like the look, and am well over fifty years old. What's really in doubt here is your ability to be a man.
Saccharine Trust would have been much, MUCH more well known had they kept on making great music like this from their Pagan Icons album. But instead chose to play forgettable crap jazz fusion shit from their 2nd album: Surviving You , Always on down. Sometimes, like in this case, a band members think they're being progressive, but end up shooting themselves in the foot. This is the only album of their's worth listening to. Great album by the way.
I always wondered where this video went. I wish my waistline was still that slim! :-P
BUP!!
I hope ya'll are really proud of this record! It is such a huge influence to countless people from every generation of punk since this was filmed. I'm sure you know. Truly amazing stuff
Paganicons was one of the first gothic albums ever. Gothic content, not goth as a fashion statement or aesthetic.
God damn you guys were so fucking good ! Thank you.
Watching it makes me miss the hell out of my Ibanez Roadster (1982 Brazilian Brown model) more than my old waistline.
This is the greatest dumpster find ever found. This is King Tut level.
Source?
Ha, yes! King Tut level :))
Seemingly. When there is a band member wearing another band(s) name: Bass Player/Black Flag - What is anyone to think? AMJ metaltomotown
Timestamps if anyone wants 'em:
0:00 Effort to Waste (fades in)
2:23 Community Lie
3:54 Sunk
5:47 I Have...
7:55 YHWH on Acid
10:28 We Don't Need Freedom
12:11 Mad at the Co.
12:43 Success & Failure
15:31 Craving the Center
16:58 Hearts & Barbarians (fast version)
WOW.
Most underrated SST band by miles; this footage is GOLD. A thousand thanks, dumpster-diver, for catching this.
Fricken incredible Joe Biaza ripping sound on guitar, this was the first jazz punk art band for me
Incredible! This is Saccharine Trust at their absolute peak. What a find!
This was their peak? Their previous stuff must have really sucked.
@@franksmith4277 Thank you for being so Frank...
@@heavycheck57 👍
this is a gem, amazing sound quality.
I really hated this new technology. Fk, I still have my old vinyl. But then I started to come across video from bands I used to go see in the 70-90's. Thank you very much for uploading this. Finally, some live Saccharine Trust footage. Two things come to mind. The first is that I never saw the video cameras during these concerts, and back then they were too large to be hidden. Probably all the Md 20/20 I was drinking. I'm glad someone took the time to film these shows. These bands sold so few records, the musicians literally starved, going from show to show on tour making just enough $$ to pay for gasoline & tolls. Possibly some spaghetti & tomato sauce if they were lucky.
The second thing is how disappointing that the only Saccharine Trust footage I can find has the entire show, but they didn't play my favorite song, A Human Certainty. I think it's the only one in their repertoire that they didn't play this show. What are the odds ??
This is an absolute gem, Holy crap. I can't believe this was salvaged from a dumpster. This is incredible.
Makes you wonder just how much video gold has been tossed out by people who had no idea what they had.
Is there a source for this information?
The dumpster was where it belonged.
@@franksmith4277Yeah! If it belongs to your ma, it should be with her.
ST was painting sound while everyone else was punching the walls
Makes ya wonder how much amazing footage like this WASN'T miraculously recovered. A sad thought. Thanks for uploading!
I always wondered how it was possible for a band like this to ever exist? One of a kind...
There's absolutely nothing unique about this band except for possibly their shittyness.
I heard these tunes on "the Future looks bright ahead" compilation. On cassette tape in 1981.
Never thought I’d see early live footage
This legit had me wondering if it was their studio record dubbed over live video footage. Amazing quality. Would love to see more footage from around the same time of whoever else played there back then.
Songs: Effort to Waste, Community Lie, Sunk, I Have...,YHWH on Acid, We Don't Need Freedom, Mad at the Company, Success and Failure, Craving the Center, Hearts and Barbarians
This is fucking incredible.
Excellent picture and sound quality!!!!!
This is the best thing ever. I honestly don't understand why they ever wanted to change their sound.
It's called evolution. I can appreciate them here as young musicians playing loud and fast. I can also appreciate them as Joe Baiza became one of the most unique, visionary guitarists on the planet.
I can understand why they wanted to change their sound. This is terrible.
@@franksmith4277 well, just because they aren't interested in you, you can still find a boyfriend that is.
smashing quality! south bay representing hard! fucking Jack killing it.
Getting all Skeezy with it too. Ha!
God damn this shit never gets old !!!! You guys are top 5 on my list and have been for bout 40 years. Your lyrics have stuck in my head. Thanks for your real shit.
yes! such excellent quality considering what most video from this era looks and sounds like.
And this isn't even Standard Definition
One of the best sounding live recordings from an early 80's punk show that I've ever heard, and what a peroformance. Thank you very much for uploading this.
i think the dumpster added some EQ
@@liammcooper if it weren't for dumpsters you'd STILL be a virgin.
Finally great quality saccharine trust footage
Rare. Rare. Rare.
Wow!!! Baiza and Brewer, SOOOO young!!!! This is terrific!!! So glad this got found and digitized!!!
This is amazing footage!
Thank you so much for sharing this.
What a show thanks!!!
Woooooow. Thanks for saving, uploading.
Great find ma man. Sounds incredible.
THIS IS AWESOME
All of the Peppermint Lounge sets you’ve uploaded are killer! I was only in 6th grade in 1981-82, so I missed all of these bands in their prime. Amazing quality. I’m glad these are being archived and shared, so future generations get to realize how lame they are.
It's amazing to me the way blatant flambe types seem to have an aversion towards good bands.
Fantastic!!!
Sick find!
I just came across this 09 03 22. Real good quality audio and video.
Joe Baiza is such a rad unique guitarist. This is awesome.
So great
Awesome!
Jack & Joe are two of the nicest guys you could ever meet...
awesome!
Cat in the Flag shirt is classic, lol!
Earl Liberty, later joined Circle Jerks. Great guy and musician
We need to look into more dumpsters if we can occasionally find such plentiful riches
Hi Doug :)
Pure fucking genius
Seriously amazing. This should be music news of at least some degree.
One of the fucking BEST-
Is that Earl Liberty on Bass?
GREAT!
wowzers!
The date is probably right. They played at Streets in Boston on December 26th 1981.
this is fucking wild! sounds great!
This is genuinely incredible stuff. Thank you so much for uploading! I don't suppose the original tape still exists? If so, I might be able to put you in touch with someone who would definitely love a chance to re-digitize this and the DOA set in HD at 60fps and clean up the video (though admittedly it hardly needs it).
It has been sent off and redigitized not sure when or where or of it was reposted
Civilization thanks you for this precious document. Holy Fucking Orpheus. Whoever threw it in the trash, belongs in the trash ("the scoops are coming..." ).
This is sublimity defined.
At 9:42 Brewer pulls a proto-Yow.
"beautiful as a rock in a cop´s face"
That's feederz
Anti cop leftist types are usually the first to call the cops when their safe space are threatened.
Hearing the tracks from Pagans Icons is fucking righteous.
hope they play I'm Right
Would have loved it if they taped Worldbroken while recording it.
those paper airplanes, heh heh
Oh how I pine. Would love to know the line-up. Misfits maybe. Usually saw them with Black Flag. Early SST was sick. Huge ST fan.
Fuckin incredible thank you!
i saw them open for black flag on the damaged tour. sac trust were the real deal!
Me too at the Living Room in Providence.
Same. In New Orleans. They were great… that goes without saying!!
Wicked
Paganicons is a trippy record.
Wow! Who would throw this out :O!?
Greg Ginn (see: all SST copies of The Stains s/t LP after they wanted their royalty money)
@@scott12xu Wow... that's terrible. Well at least we got to see it.
where you get these videos,,,Do you have KRAUT? This was opening for Black Flag?
Forgot how much AB and ST had in common
"14:20" we got all night, dude
OK, was the tape found in a dumpster and then used to record this (what my reading suggests) or was the already-recorded performance found in a dumpster (what everyone else here seems to assume)?
found 3/4" tape and then digitized, rendered and burned for a VCD and then years later, ripped and uploaded.
So someone just tossed this epic concert in the trash. Good God.
Somewhere in the internet there’s a video of Jack on stage reading a poem before a song. Can anyone tell me where that is?
I really want to know the full story of this tape lmao
This is so fucking sick
When I die just throw me in the trash..
who is the drummer?
Possibly Rob Holzman, but I'm not sure. Rob still plays with Baiza, Brewer and Stephen Reed in the current Paganicons version on Saccharine Trust.
😳😜
Opening for black flag
Was wondering about that.
This was the first of our two tours opening for black flag with the pagan icons line up. December of ‘81 and then again in the summer of ‘82, a 2 month tour.
I can see people still pogoing. They must be the older Hollywood punks.
We hardcore kids were slamming.
Are you a real SH or another wannabe that simply likes the imagery but doesn't want to commit and so joins a fake group
@@glenbellefonte9620 I'm an OG from 1983. You should shut your mouth when you are in the presence of an elder you small time punk.
@skinhead5 except I was a Skin in a real serious place where Skins weren't popular, likely about the time you were getting juice boxes in your lunch for school. Son.
@@glenbellefonte9620 I seriously doubt that junior.
@skinhead5 yeah, if it makes you feel better. But I know I was a Hammer, that Sharps aren't skins at all, but queens that like the look, and am well over fifty years old. What's really in doubt here is your ability to be a man.
Saccharine Trust would have been much, MUCH more well known had they kept on making great music like this from their Pagan Icons album. But instead chose to play forgettable crap jazz fusion shit from their 2nd album: Surviving You , Always on down. Sometimes, like in this case, a band members think they're being progressive, but end up shooting themselves in the foot. This is the only album of their's worth listening to. Great album by the way.
Cmon man Worldbroken is a masterpiece straight up.
@@camofrog As is Surviving You, Always.
Upload black flag
I wish I had some! The tape with Sac also had the DOA show and Even Worse.
Definitely lean more punk than art when the vocalist employs such a dry mic.
Harry Smith would have loved to have come into possession of that paper airplane probably.
Who is the drummer?
Possibly Rob Holzman, but I'm not sure. Rob still plays with Baiza, Brewer and Stephen Reed in the current Paganicons version on Saccharine Trust.