Could C-RAM, AMRAAM-ER, NASAMS Or IRIS-T SLS Beat Iskander Hypersonic Missiles? | DCS
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- We simulate to test whether US/EURO Centurion C-RAM, NASAMS-2, NASAMS-3 or IRIS-T SLS defence systems can defend against Russia's Hypersonic Ballistic Iskander missile launchers.
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8:21 Centurion C-RAM
16:27 NASAMS 2
22:03 NASAMS 3
29:19 IRIS-T SLS
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@Grim Reapers I saw an interesting question today and thought I would ask you guys. How would an Embraer Super Tuscano do against World War 2 fighters? I think it’s too light to do well against WW2 fighters but would probably be better in climb and turns while WW2 would do better in a dive. Just wondering.
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@@grimreapers I'd love to see a variety of Warbirds VS OV-10 Bronco, Pucara, Super Tucano, MB-339 Aermacchi, SU-25 Frogfoot, and* A-10 Thunderbolt II👍
CH, Your modern mods are the best and should be core in game, but could you create a proper, functioning WW2 mobile V-2 rocket launch system. THAT would be outstanding and well within your skill-set.
@Aquatic Ape You don't...
(Well not with WWII systems I mean)
@@totalnerd5674 😂
Good idea!
@@totalnerd5674 that's why he said different eras. It is a (by modern standards presumably not very good) ballistic missile. But it would win the style race as a mod easily.
CH is an absolute GOD at coming out with these systems. This is all I could ever ask for and more. Really appreciate all the work he has done!!
The crazy bit is public data is likely good enough for military planning purposes. The NASAMS 3 with the data link connected to an AWACS would be a killer combination.
Makes me wonder if they'll even make a surface launched version of the Meteor AAM, or the AIM-260. The building is full of the rarest commodity on the battlefield....clean socks!!!
Could you imagine a GAU-8/A mated to a CWIS radar network?
Goalkeeper
As Stu Bur said, Goalkeeper is basicly a naval GAU-8 CWIS.
Germany doesn't Plan on Groundlaunched Meteors. We are developing a long Range IRIS-T Version
remember when this JUST happened for the first time irl with a PAC3? I do...
The Navy's Standards missile almost always had secondary Anti-Ship capability.
Edit: And I'll point out that the Standard was also adapted into an Air-Launched Anti-Radiation Missile back in the day.
Surprised you didn't try saturation attacks by adding more incoming missiles until they got through.
I'd also like to see how all 4 systems combined would do (very well I think)
I have my CWIS rounds left over from my time on the ship. Huge rounds.
To address the question at approximately 24:29, AMRAAM-AXE (Air-launched eXtended Envelope) is a Raytheon proposal for an air-launched version of AMRAAM-ER. Beyond said proposal, however, I have no knowledge regarding what level of interest, if any, has been expressed by potential customers in response or to what extent, if any, Raytheon has invested in development of the AXE concept.
Shame, I think it would be awesome.
The UK system using Giraffe radar is Sky Sabre (land version of Sea Ceptor CAMM as fitted to Type 23 frigate). Hopefully CH will get round to modelling this too soon please 😊
Talking of Type 23 frigate, I haven't seen it in any GR videos. I guess Cap prefers the bigger and sexier Type 45s
@@Rednax42 CH now working on the Type 26 frigate. GR said this in a video lately. In the video vs the Aliens, not the first battle but the revenge battle if Iam not mistaken.
Why are the UK and the Nato alliance in general so slow in developing Hypersonic missiles? We've known about them for decades and Russia and China seem to produce newer faster versions almost every year. The UK has a good reputation in R&D and finally, our government remembered that we are an island with a famous navy past and commissioned the 2 new Carriers in 2007. You'd think the present one, in power for 13 years, would have set about designing missiles/systems to protect against them and offensive Hypersonics to threaten their capital ships and fleets back. The Carriers cost us £7.6 billion and now a third is being seriously proposed (The Princess Diana, unfortunately - what happened to the great names we had Ark Royal and Invincible etc?) it would be a disaster if in their first serious engagement, one of them was sunk. I'm not as up-to-date or as knowledgeable as a lot of you on this site and I'd be grateful for an answer, thanks.
@@chrisparnham You believe to the Chinese and the Russian propaganda? Who know it is real or not… We never know.
Raytheon Did propose a air launched version of the AMRAAM-ER called the AMRAAM-AXE or air launched extended envelope.
It's extremely hard to find anything about the AXE variant, have you come across anything reliable?
Make it plz uncle Sam.
Really loving this series on the new assets. Great mods by CH & great job on the videos by Cap!
I'd be curious to see what would happen if we hooked C-RAMs up to a feed from a better radar system to give them a chance to shoot.
Exactly, model the C-RAM with a 20 and a 30 mile radar system. Also rotate the C-RAM trucks so one is facing North, South, East and West which would give at least one platform a fighting chance against a hypersonic. Also model C-RAM with an AWACS radar feed link.
A full NASAMS battalion would consist of plural FDCs, plural radars, and far more launchers as well. Part of the concept is to offset the relatively moderate effective range by having a more distributed and unpredictable deployment.
As for simultaneous engagements... Lets just say 4 is not exactly much of a challenge. You can easily add another digit to that.
Well done guys, awesome new systems!! Thank you!!
33:16 you didn’t miss 😮 if you play it back really slowly the iris t emerges out the back of the hypersonic you hit it head on!
Probably good to check the collision/damage model is working for both assets
or just the physics rate couldn'tkeep up and there was no overlapping when the tick got calculated
agree
Strange.
What are you talking about? The irist passes in front of the hypersonic. It clearly does not pass through as you can see they whole hypersonic nozzle in every frame.
@@Nerb1 yeah actually looks like it barely missed.
Very cool! Thanks CH!
I actually mentioned trying C-RAM on another video, good to see it here
The NASAMS data link antenna is for launcher- Missile data link. The Missile receives target updates by it from the FDC.
The American defense committee hearings tell us a lot. The US Aegis land systems are being worked for hypersonics but I believe they have mentioned the capability to intercept hypersonic missiles from Aegis equipped ships within the terminal phase and are upgrading space based sensors for tracking to get a lock at longer distances. So, yes, I believe the Americans already can intercept hypersonics. This is all public record so I wonder what they speak of in closed door meetings.
SM-3 could intercept hypersonics already. The thing they most needed was better detection and that was available years ago.
@Grim Reapers - Yes, I would say the NASAMS v3 would be just as accurate if not more in real life. Raytheon has been incorporating everything it knows about intercepting hypersonic missiles into its updated missiles and radar system platforms. NASAMS v3 had a lot of work and improvement done to its new radar system (i.e., the GhostEye MR) as well.
Amazing models, thank you for everything.
CH needs to do a mod of the GR Headquarters building to use as a target for these tests!
agreed
Thank you CH.
I like to think you're the nerdy geopolitical military hardware enthusiest version of me who knows how to code and build in-game assets. I'm simply the nerdy geopolitical military hardware enthusiest version who sends Cap the links with SM-6 missiles on the Hornets because I lack the ability to make neat things for DCS. There more of you (with particular emphasis on you) and me that are out there, the better GR is, and hopefully, the better/easier Cap's job ultimately is.
: )
I just wish we had more time. CH could make so many wonderful things.
We need to get some more British systems in this game, there is a huge lack
Great Video!
Could you compare Iris T SLS and SLM in a future video?
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@@grimreapers could you do more videos like this I really enjoyed this
That is a detailed tire lol!
Finally someone answers a question we all want to know !!!!
the only way i can see something like CIWS stopping a hypersonic is if was networked in to a larger system that could start a track from further out and then be smart enough to tell the guns where to fire well before the missiles gets into their range, so the rounds are already filling the space the missile would fly through.
I mean, thats literally what every single air to air engagement is already? Everything is moving, you never fire where your target is, but where you expect it to be. In some ways hitting hypersonic can be easier since they effectively have almost zero actual ability to maneuver.
Not that this Russian Junk is actually anything new or exciting. It's all hype, 90s tech being claimed as cutting edge by a bunch of russian liars.
CWIS, better known as R2D2 with a smoking hardon!!!
oof
Yeah the reason in real life they are optimally placed behind the target they are protecting is their radars cant see straight up, with a ballistic missile like this its coming down practically on top of them however by placing the batteries further back they have the radar angle to see a ballistic missile trajectory on the target they are protecting.
The Iris T missile is in service since 2007. I didnt find data on the SLM version but the SLS version was just put into service last year in 2022. So 1998 cant be right
This is fantastic thank you for sharing.
That Moment at 25:09 where the AMRAAM got closer i can imagine the Sound of an Cloaker of Payday 2
Jeez CH! another one who never sleeps.
Awesome video !
Great episode with CH and GR. Both in God mode so everyone can see all the action! Keep it up!
Thats SICK !!
I've tested with SA 10 (DCS Model)...it works to !
Would like to see the NASAM's work with AWACs to see if there's any difference
I am guessing the key point in faster closing rate intercepts is the fuse detection and detonation time in milliseconds. How far can the 2 missiles close to each other and start to pull away from each other before the sequence of detonation is successful. A very closely guarded secret I am sure. Reminds me of the WW2 breakthrough in the VT fuse.
Awesome video! CH är så jävla bra!
Awesome!
Well done CH
can't also nasams fire the aim9x too, so they can equip the launchers with different mixes of missiles, Range vs maneuverability etc.
Would be neat if the x-RAM's could be launched fired from drones. Could dynamically change the deployment to meet the threat, launchers could 'hide', launchers could go somewhere and reload.
Hell yeah CH C-Ram! Btw NASAMS 3 very impressive!👍👍
Lol now It'd* be freakin amazing if you could create German Rheinmetal Skynex and Irish Thor!🙏
It's interesting that you asked "Why aren't these being put on planes?" Based on some back of napkin math, launching a AMRAAM-ER from angels 40 at mach 1+ would extend the range to about 120nm+
Those nanometers had me confused for a second.
Sounds about right.
Because Russians have a hard time surviving the low, lob and meet attack as it is? 40 is a death sentence in the era of modern air defences.
CH, another wonderful set of creations. Thanks.
How about CAMM (maybe the Polish version), next?
Also. Still waiting to see long range chinese rocket artillery like the PCL191 and chinese TBMs like the DF series.
Oh and as for a future video, since you've got some modern ballistic missile defenses now, maybe its time to do interceptions against nuclear ICBM warhead?
13:07 (CAP) "I really want one in my garden now. I'm gonna have to convince my wife, they can't be that expensive."
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Crowd fund a C-RAM?
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This is extremely exciting considering Australia is acquiring the Nasams 3.
Nice
IRIS-T can shoot down AAM as well as ASM or SSM.. The norwegian air force also used a IRIS-T to attack a fast attack craft. Uses compressed gas to eject it from the launcher meaning an increased range.
It does add a new wrinkle when you can counter enemy AAM with your own as if you outnumber the enemy so can you win without losses, even against supposedly superior 5th gen planes.
Japan and US had tested the Aim 9x to target small vessels (fast attack boats)and vehicles like jeeps etc the missile could see and track but the explosives werent enough so they stopped testing it in that role
I expect irist to have the same problem
@@commandergeokam2868 UK uses the Martlet as a multi use weapon. Navy uses it in the SS, AS & AA role. Intended to take out small speed boat type craft. Its cheaper to use than a sea venom for that role. Can also be mounted to drones.
@@MTBScotland nice actually didn't knew that i will search more for this missiles
I believe the chinese have a 30mm 11 barrel version of the CRAM called the LD3000
C-RAM, the zipper ripper. Love it.
We love CH.
C-Ram would make a heck of an anti-personnel weapon .
Army should use it as an IFV?
Really interesting video. I did enjoy watching it. What would be the effect of launching multiple Iskander-M hypersonic missile's against a modern carrier task group. Do you think the strike group could stop them?
Thank you for video! Very interesting. I have a question, you have mod for dcs world tos 1a solntsepek, or buratino, or tosochka?
I don't think so.
Cap, I hate to do this to CH but his C-RAM is missing the Cameras that are mounted on the left hand side of the White Radome on the Phalanx Module. CH has the Phalanx in its Block 1 or Block 1A configuration. Block 1B specifically added the E/O and FLIR cameras for additional tracking as well as Surface attack capability (Namely to murder Iranian mass boat attacks) Phalanx costs 5.6 Million Dollars each
CH. You're great! could you make Skynex AA from Rheinmetall? :)
Dude makes good mods
Just so you know, its not ISH-kander. It's IS-kander.
That was entertains guys. 🇨🇦 Vet
More Boom, diddy boom, diddy boom, diddy boom, diddy boom, diddy boom, boom, boom!
Dang! Got a hypersonic!
The mast is not Link-16, it's data link to AMRAAM when it's fired.
Standard taktik against TBM's (ballistic missiles) always fire two interseptors
Mach 5 is slightly over 1 mile/sec so would take just under 10 seconds to cover 10 miles.
quick question, what is the name of the directory in which the mods have to be installed? the redme only says that it has to be stored under savedgames.
22:27 These masts are most likely data-link antennas for "communication" between the launcher and the missile... For flight corrections.
Well, another question in real life would be: do all of these missiles have a warhead powerful enough to take out the ballistic hypersonic missile? Especially the IRIS...
When are you guys going to bring the thaad air defense please 🥺
People acting like ballistic missiles and ‘muh hypersonics’ invalidate AD is so tiresome. THAAD, SM-6, SM-3, PAC-3, AMRAAM, and on and on.
Yup working on it.
@@grimreapers Awesome! Did CH accept your recommendation for making a mod for Raytheon's ADM-160 MALD?
What if data linked CRAM could detect hypersonic missile from further away and get a firing solution before impact?
Still not much. The range is too short and the rounds too slow. They're only doing 1km/s and by the time between target in range and impact is too short.
Since the only actual hypersonic missiles in existence are just ballistics, and have entirely predictable flight paths, you can be assured they are doing exactly that.... But DCS doesn't get the specs on weapons designed in the last generation, let alone the current. The models for everything newer than likely the Viet nam war are based on wild assed guesses from the creators of the mods. Not to say I don't respect their work, because I do ENORMOUSLY. But I don't think they have a quarter of the actual abilities of cutting edge missile defence.
I doubt an Iskander could every defeat a patriot system. Not even close. it's the 90s against the modern day, nothing like a fair fight. The Iskander has a hard time defeating russian junk Sams from the 90s, as Ukraine has shown repeatedly, modern Sams will laugh at it.
CH at it again ❤❤❤
Hope you're doing well with the little one Cap!!!!
Yeh but exhausted. Just wanna sleep.
NASAM 3; 'More like ishCANTduh...'
oof
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What happend to the plans of the core phalanx? Since it appeard in the 2022 and beyond video i thought we would get it within that year, but as it seems we only got CH's mod (wich is awesome) but i want the desert camo for the Sinai map xD
Cool video but can you please test the Sky Sabre too next time!? Its more modern (2022) than all of the ones in the video and designed for this type of role. Is that you just dont have it in the game yet or something?
It's on the list.
@Grim Reapers Sounds good, appreciate it. 👍
You need a THAAD battery to engage in coming ballistic missiles.
unless I'm mistaken, didn't CH say that these could be linked to AWACS? if so.... I'd like to see that!
Sadly we do not have that tech in game yet.
@@grimreapers bollox
IRIS-T SLM versions (Medium Range) would be intresting. (Ukraine got two from Germany). SLS is the short range older version.
Ideally, one needs to kill the Iskander launcher before it launches.
That would mean launching a strike against it as soon as it is found.
Even better, drop a dozen low observable cruise missiles on the factory.
@@brilobox2 that would not stop the one's that are in the field though.
Send stealth aircraft armed with stealth missiles to take out the launchers and then the factories.
When the Type 26 Frigate will be ready in the game @Grim Reapers?
Has anyone else noticed how much the Russian hypersonic missile looks like a V2?
Agree
Short answer..NO Long answer: HELL NO
Isn't a rim-162 booster with amraam seeker just a rim162 block 2? Does the block 2 use a different seeker?
No idea TBH.
Add Rheinmetals Oerlikon Skyranger® Gun and system in there. The gun is insane. It has the rifled tungsten kenetic projectiles that are programmed as they leave the bore where they kenetic projectiles will be released based on time of flight
i wonder if the Isakander is partially armoured like the AS4 and its ilk are?
C.H. is an amazing mod maker
And of course we have fired SM-6’s from hornets. As a former active duty military, we can and will try firing anything we can fit onto something, even if you shouldn’t. We’re like does it fit/can we mount it, or come up with a way to mount it? Yes, good, do it. Ok it’s on it, can we make it shoot/does it use a standard hook up/actuation for our platform? Yes, good. If no, can we make it work? We can? Good, do it. My squadron, in the USMC, AH-1’s and UH-1’s, were the first ever to get bomb kills in Vietnam, with 250 & 500 lb bombs, from Huey’s…think about that for a second…and we started off as medivac/troop transport unit, then it turned into bombing them, with dumb bombs, from Huey’s, still single engine Huey’s mind you, in the late 60’s…AH-1’s can and did bomb also, with the same bombs…and still can for that matter, even to this day, haha. Cobra’s can carry 1500lbs of bombs on its stub wings. The two 500 on the inner position, and a 250 on the outer station. Plus 20mm, full load. And 2 AIM-9’s of they choose. I know, it’s silly as fuck, but hilarious. We haven’t since Vietnam. But we can. So…is CH gonna model that one? Let alone actually give you guys proper helicopters and actual attack helicopters? That are the worlds best, most proven, longest serving. And most effective? I’ll say this much. S-300’s in 2008, launched by Syria couldn’t shoot down a flight of two. One AH-1W and UH-1N they shot 4 S-300’s at us, while were still in Iraqi air space, they all missed. Between counter measures and evasive maneuvers. We also had confirmed kills of the enemy with M4 carbines and M9 pistols…from our cockpits, while hovering, in Iraq, as their birds were Winchester. But guys still needed support, so they flew down close enough, to get into pistol range. And shot, hit and killed enemies from the cock pit of helicopters. They also threw smoke grenades by hand, to give concealment. And maybe some the spicy smoke grenades too, HC smoke…is Willy Pete smoke.
Has the Roland missile ever been developed for DCS?
Yes but I think the one we have is a very early variant.
I want to see you and the boys try to bomb a target in the middle of all of it
22:31: The masts on the NASAMS launchers is the missile uplink. Contrary to what some of you have claimed, AMRAAMs fired from NASAMS obviously do not go pitbull off the rail - that would be a pretty crappy capability.
Like CH says, NASAMS is link-16 capable, as well as several other TDLs, but this antenna has nothing to do with that. And yes, of course it can hook up to an AWACS. Or any other CRC of your preference.
As for PK against sub-sonic CMs.... ask the Ukrainians :P
@@DurpThought Feel free to think what you will. And shouting is really unnecessary.
Keep in mind that the radar in question was never designed as a track and search radar at all, and far less to talk to AMRAAM or any other missiles
@@DurpThought no idea what you are talking about the RL542A for. No relevance.
Also, we are talking about stuff that have been operational and working flawlessly since the 90ies, not something currently on the drawing board
@@DurpThought Thanks for educating me.
How many years have YOU been working on this particular system?
NASAMS now on the market (50% off!) Buy now for your whole family.
NASAMS to defend GR baby?
Have you tried the Barak 8 LR-SAM or MR-SAM?
Cap if Jeremy Clarkson can have a English Electric Lightning at his driveway you can certainly have a C-RAM in your garden.
roger, trying to convince Mrs Cap is proving hard.
Can we ask for the German MANTIS Air Defence System and the Israeli's Iron Dome for the C-RAM?
With the American systems shouldn’t interconnectivity be a large factor. Like other systems seeing a missile launch theoretically giving infinite range and tons of time to respond once located on other interconnected sensors