Hey man. I’m using a LOT of lights in this video, but the main light is a Nanlite Forza 300 geni.us/25VxtFR and a big-ass softbox with a grid geni.us/AlsEVW
I'm still trying - to no avail - to find out if every Ninja V has a quartz crystal word clock generator that the Sync module uses as a master WC to feed the timecode generator to send wireless TC to the other Ninja Vs... or if each Sync module has a quartz crystal in it. I presume the former. Do you know?
Thanks for that. To be fair, it’s only because ATOMOS sponsored this that I was able to justify going so deep. This took a long time to put together as you might imagine, and I wouldn’t have been able to justify doing that for the ad revenue alone on a topic this arcane! So a huge thank you to ATOMOS for wanting this video for their own use and paying me to make it!
@@photojoseph Yippee!😂 Plus now that Nikon released their v3.0 firmware update for my Z9, that can now use the Blue to sync time code I am even more thirsty for your highly pedagogical run-throughs on this subject!👍🏾🙏🏾
Is there a way to do this with the ATEM Mini Pro being the master? This way, I won't have to look into Blackmagic specific cameras? I'd especially love to get this working with a GoPro (with automatic record when the "Record" command is sent from the ATEM Mini Pro to the cameras, since a refresh of the micro cinema camera - with the Mini Pro direct support - is looking extremely unlikely), since that would make for a great aerial kind of shot.
This doesn’t integrate into live production, other than you could record ISOs of your live show and ensure they were in sync for post. I’m not sure what you’re trying to do. The timecode offset doesn’t shift the video/audio; it shifts the timecode embedded in it so they line up in post.
@@photojoseph How would your answer change now with the intro of the ATEM Mini Pro ISO? For instance, you have 4K cameras that aren’t BMD’s and you want to drop the recordings into the POST Resolve project and be synced up. (I’m thinking iPhone but I know that will depend on Filmic adding Timecode or Mavis adding clean HDMI out).
I totally get it and would love to use it but it is so expensive for an amateur videographer, I use a Ninja and a GH5 along with a G80 and often a couple of GoPro’s along with audio recorded on a Tascam DR60, now I have today spent at least 45 minutes lining up all the tracks before I could start to edit, but I cannot afford to spend what would amount to the best part of a grand on the various devices needed. We need a cheaper alternative before this becomes anything but a professional level tool.
Is it possible to get ATOMOS and a RED Epic Dragon DSMC1 to sync. My audio recently stopped working so my process it to record to the RED MiniMag as well as a ninja v
GH5S Timecode Questions (I’m New to Timecode): 1. When using external TC box via the PC sync port, will a direct connection using a TS (not TRS) 3.5mm to PC sync cable work for TC boxes that output both timecode and scratch audio simultaneously like the Tentacle Sync E or Deity TC-1? 2. In cases where you can’t access the PC sync port for any reason, would timecode signal still be read by cameras with dedicated TC in/out if you send timecode signal via the mic in using the TC devices listed above? 3. The GH5S is known to drift after a short period of time (some experience drift after 30mins). When you leave the TC box connected to the the GH5S the entire take (e.g. long wedding ceremony or live events) do you still need to re-jam every 30mins to prevent drifting? What happens when you turn the camera on/off to conserve battery power? *I find your videos for the Lumix and Atomos system very informative and helpful. Thank you for all your efforts to educate the photo and video community! 🙂
Hi Anna, 1) I don't have the Tentacle boxes however their outputs are, I believe, the same as the ATOMOS boxes, which is to say a mini BNC port. To use it with the GH5S, you go from their mini BNC to a standard BNC cable (which it should come with), then use the BNC to PC-port cable that came with the GH5S. (there might be a single cable solution available ,too). So I'm not sure where you're trying to use the 3.5mm TS cable on this? 2) If you do use the audio port, then you are recording timecode to the audio track. You then need to use software to convert that to actual Timecode. Resolve has it built in, FCP does not, and not sure about Premiere. But tentacle has free software to do this. 3) Any device without a crystal will drift. Unfortunately the GH5S does not continuously read TC. The good news is that means you can just plug it in (jam it) then move it to another camera. The bad news is that you have to do that every so often. 30 minutes sounds extreme but to be fair I've never critically tested it. * Thank you!
@@photojoseph thank you for the super quick and detailed response! About my first question, I was thinking of just getting rid of the BNC cable that came with the GH5S and just connect the TC box directly using one (3.5mm TS to PC sync) cable for easier cable management. Just not sure if a TS pin (instead of TRS) would still be able to carry both timecode and audio simultaneously. 🙂
@@rrainezero19 TS will definitely only carry TC. One band is the ground, the other for the timecode. If it was TRS and there was an audio input then audio could go to one channel and TC to the other.
Very instructive and useful thank you. Now, can you please do it again where the synchronization devices and software are not more expensive than my cameras and audio recorder?
The AtomX Sync is, as far as I know, ONLY compatible with the Ninja V. But the all have the same battery mount so it’s worth asking ATOMOS if that’s something that could be added. I don’t know. If the Inferno has a timecode input like the Shogun, then you can just connect an UltraSync ONE to it, but I don’t believe that it does. If not, then unfortunately the GH5 doesn’t have timecode input, so your only option would be an UltraSync ONE and the timecode-on-audio solution.
I have a question for you when you were showing the zoom F6 you never told us if when you start recording from one of the ninjas does it automatically Start recording the audio recorder or do I have to start it?
Thanks Joe, that is very interesting...but my question is if it is posible to sync the time of the camera with the one of an Android or Apple phone, pleae take the time to answer this question as I wat to avoid having to make more and more investment in equipment...thanks a lot for your always great videos.
LUMIX cameras can be synced to time-of-day with an iPhone or android device. However if they will be perfectly frame accurate to each-other is another question, and I'd say "no". Also once you sync a camera, it is relying on its internal clock which is not as accurate as a quartz crystal so even if you managed perfect sync, it would drift. If "close to right" is good enough, then yes. If frame accurate is what you need, then you need actual timecode sync hardware.
Can I sync the Zoom F8n to the Atomos Sync without using a Blue or USO? I see how easy the F6 is, but the F8n only has a Bluetooth option for the control unit.
For the life of me, I cannot get the Zoom F6 to pair with the Atoms in he Sync Config. I select pair on the Atomos screen, and connect on the Zoom and it it never finds the Atomos. Wondering if there is a specific firmware version that this works with?
If you’ve had your Zoom for a while, then yes, it’s likely that it needs a firmware update. Also, I’m assuming you have the Bluetooth adapter on the Zoom, right? Check their website for firmware updates.
PhotoJoseph I had the latest firmware on the Zoom and the BT adapter. What I did to fix it was factory reset the Zoom and then I was able to get it to pair.
Very informative video! I have a GH5, 2 GH5s and 2 Ninja V recorders. So do I need an AtomX sync device on each Ninja V? I'm a bit unsure about what I should get. could you please help?
Thank you for your video. Do you know how the atomX SYNC can be set to run as a slave with an UltraSync One as master? I do not get that configuration to work.
yeah it definitely can. Shouldn't be anything more to it than setting the SYNC into slave mode and ensuring they are on the same channel and region. If you can't get it working, reach out to ATOMOS support for help with that.
Unfortunately no. The first camera to support timecode over Bluetooth is a Fuji that just came out. We’re all hoping this shows up in other cameras soon.
Hi, hope my questionnaire not off topic....If I use a zoom F6 recorder as my main sound device, can I use the onboard time sync feature to sync this to the Atomos Shogun 7? Think it needs a BNC 3,5 Jack. The other things is if I work with 1-4 Cameras (all of them are Sony alpha series 5xxx or 6xxxx) connected by SDI to the Atomos in switching mode, does this cameras also need time code sync?
@@photojosephI am sure it should work with the right cable....but didn’t find such a cable...probably in case that the Atomos Shogun 7 uses LTC on the sync input...I saw it works with the zoom f8 (on both side BNC). Does the f8 using a different sync standard then F6? Would be really great to find a solution...would it work with the Ultrasync one?
@@photojoseph Thank you Joseph, it's 3.5mm output...I got a BNC to 3.5 cable but it's not working...the output is TS so I got a TS cable...maybe the zoom is not deliver LTC.
@@photojoseph so with the right cable it works and I don’t need spending extra money for 3rd party time code generator...3.5 Jack cable with phono on the other end and than a BNC adapter from phono...and then I get the time code on on of the phone outputs....saved me money ohhhhh....yeaaaaa....
Both Ninjas. Every device needs to have a Sync device, and any one of them can be the master. The Ninja V is small and doesn’t have a BNC Timecode input like the Shogun does, so this is a way to add it. Plus by using the Ninja V as the master, you control all your options on a big screen, not on the tiny screen that’s on the little Sync devices. For Timecode to truly be accurate, every device needs a dedicated timecode controller. The GH5S in this demo is the odd-man-out. Because it just reads the timecode once, it will drift, as explained in the video. I’ve since discovered that the S1H reads it continuously, which is awesome.
As Atomos X-sync is discontinued I just purchased Atomos Connect + Ultrasync Blue for my Ninja V. Would you please explain if this is possible to sync Ninja V with Connect to Ultrasync Blue via RF? That's how it is advertised, but doesn't seem to be possible for me. I can only sync via blutooth (which is of course not the best) and in fact it useless because there so approx 11 second offset even if devices seem to be connected and synced.
Each UltraSync ONE has two ports - an LTC port and a SYNC port. The SYNC is for genlock, however you can actually use both for LTC. I'm working on a setup in my studio distributing timecode to all of my cameras at once. It's in progress and it's not complete, but sometime in the next couple of months I will likely release a video about it.
Just to clarify -- does this require the Atomos recorder, or could you use this to timecode sync cameras recording internally? Looks like the recorder is required to adjust settings.
so i am close to getting the connects since the atomx syncs are not available but before I do, I have a question. In my testing, I have a bs1h and a s1H. Set the bs1h to be the timecode out and s1h to tc in. I am seeing on my bs1h it is the same timecode between the bs1h, s1h and each ninja on my cameras. I linked the cameras with a bnc cable from the bs1h to the s1h. Is this a possible "budget solution" since I record sit down interviews almost never go past an hour? If I opt for the ultrasync 1 instead of the connect, is there a way to have accurate timecode with this signal chain: TC out of Ultrasync 1-> TC in BS1H-> TC over hdmi to Ninja and duplicate setup for the S1H? Does the ninja v have to have a dedicated TC device or is TC over hdmi fine? DO I need to calibrate to the ninja TC for latency over hdmi? Thanks!!!!!!!!!! Also plan to add a zoom f3 in the mix and I guess an f2 so my devices can work with TC via the ultrasync1 or the blue if that is a good option. Thanks!!
Budget solution: absolutely. Limited to two cameras of course. US1 into each camera, then to Ninja; yes. Need to compensate for HDMI latency with audio: yes, and it’s easy. Good luck!
@@photojoseph in your opinion, is getting the connect the right choice or using ultrasync 1 into cams and then hdmi to ninja also a great solution? Adding a blue would allow me to use the f3 in the mix as well. Also been considering using deity tc1 into the mic input of the ninja and syncing that way between cameras. Thanks!
@ChrisFlores22 if you get the connect, that has Bluetooth built in so you don’t need a blue as well. It costs more but it does a LOT more. The whole C2C thing is way cool (watch this ua-cam.com/video/kTmhZ2Tdy9w/v-deo.htmlsi=LJnDgU5k0ajFT5Id if you haven’t). But if you only need TC then compare costs of the US1 and USBlue vs Connect. Deity is a great solution as well but they don’t have the BT integration with a ton of products like Atomos does. They have other advantages though so it’s a pretty specific call; you really gotta compare all the features.
@@photojoseph last question and thank you for your time!!! If I go the route you showed in your video but with the connect instead atomx sync, on the f2, how do I monitor audio? Connect a rode to the headphone port?
Hi Joseph, I have a Ninja V with the sync module that is connected to my Zoom F6 via Bluetooth. I also have 2 TentacleSync e units. Unfortunately the Tentacle sync is not something I can use with the directly with the Atomos Ninja V and the sync unit, because they use different Bluetooth protocols. And Atomos is of course not interested to implement a competitor tc sync system after they acquired Time code systems. But I have learned that I could jam the timecode from the Zoom f6 into the Tentacle Sync e through a special cable. The cable that I have bought is the TENTACLE BODYPACK Y-ADAPTER CABLE. But as it has 3 ends not sure what ends to connect to the Zoomf6 and the Tentacle sync. The thing I want to achieve is to use Both the Ninja V master TC into the F6 and then jam the TC from the f6 into the Tentacle Sync units. Any experience with these devices?
Are you talking about syncing audio and video? That’s synced from the camera. If you’re talking about realtime view, all video over HDMI is delayed slightly. I don’t know what you’re asking though. And if you’re outputting from the camera to a Ninja, what is the PC doing?
@@photojoseph The Ninja V is for recording. The PC needs sync for tracking devices and real time frame rendering. A slight delay isn't a problem, I just need to sync camera 3d position and frame render to the HDMI source.
Hi, Joseph, I am rethinking my workflow in case I will switch to BMD Pocket Cameras and using a ATEM...as they mentioned to record in to the camera or HD in 4K during streaming and also record the ISO`s on attached HD to the ATEM...I am asking my self how I can get the TC set to all the recorded files...I use Tentacle to jam the Pocket 4/6K so they have all TC on the recorded files in the camera...the Soundrecorder has also a Tentacle on extra Track, so that’s all in sync...but is there a hint how to get the TC in to the ATEM ISO’s? The easiest way would be if the Cameras delivering the TC on one of the stereo tracks to the ATEM. One channel scratch audio and the other TC...would that work...will each camera write their own audio in to the ISO"s and will be there a delay or not? As I saw many discussions but no solution I thought it would be interesting to ask you as a master of all this things...
Hey Joseph again thank you great video, watching this video made me order 2 Ninja V's with Atomx Sync extension. is it possible to sync Ninja V with Blackmagic pocket Cinema 4k or 6k through Bluetooth ? I have two a7iii's and 2 bmpcc4ks I was wondering if I could sync them with bluetooth... Thanks
if you mean by using the BMPCC built-in bluetooth, no, not that I'm aware of. Does the BMPCC do bluetooth timecode sync between cameras? If so that's actually really cool. But even if it does, keep in mind that it won't be super accurate, because the camera doesn't have a crystal in it. To keep the time code super accurate, you need an external box connected at all times.
Will the AtomX Sync also work for multicam live things? Let's say you have cameras with different HDMI delay, could it sync them all up so the output of each Ninja V is synced? Or is this just for actual recordings? In my case, I have 4 different cameras, each with a Ninja V... I have an Sony FS700 that has about 3-4 frames more delay than the others, so it's useless for live use. Could the AtomX Sync solve this issue?
ah, clever thinking, but no, unfortunately. The devices can’t shift the video / audio, they just shift the timecode so it all lines up in post. So for example, if you have audio in realtime, and a camera that’s 6 frames delayed, then if you looked at the timecode on the devices while recording, they would be 6 frames apart. That way when brought into the NLE, the all line up properly.
So this is a wireless (hdmiless) from ninja to ninja start/stop ? My setup is gh5s w ninja v w rt and left focus handle by tilta w stop start for record on a tripod . Also i have a gh5s w ninja v + w tilta neucleus m rt wireless handle on monfrotto gimbal 460. So if im using my gimbal or tripod rig and hit record or stop this will start or stop recording on both wirelessly ? As well as timecode i see. Go pros w sync box as well start stop? Any camera and all start stop. Correct?
You got it. The NINJA V will all start stop, and yes the GoPro too. As you saw in the video not every device that can get timecode can also get start/stop control, but the Ninja and GoPro does.
For the 2 ninjas need 2 modules. Correct? For 2 go pros 2 sync boxes. Correct? Are these the nec accesories needed to start stop record timecode or am i missing accesories for the bare min to control as start stop control? Thank you Sir
Is it possible with the Atomx Sync and the F6 with the bluetooth adapter to hit record on the master ninja v and have that trigger the F6 to start recording? Or would I need the ultrasync to send timecode into the TC in port on the F6?
I have a total of 7 devices (and perhaps more to be added) that I would like to sync timecode. Currently I have 4 Fujifilm Xh2s and 3 audio devices (2 Zoom F2BT and 1 Tuscan X8 with BT dongle). All of them accept TC via BT from the ultrasync blue. However, I understand there is a 6 device and 10M limit for the ultrasync blue. What else do I need to buy and combine with my kit to enable all 7 devices to stay TC synced? And if possible, also extend the range. I do have an Atomos Ninja V and the Atomos Connect module at my disposal. Thank you!
Hey there. It sounds like you have all you need. The Ninv V + Connect will be the server, and the UltraSync Blue will sync (be a client) to that. Then you can connect some BT devices to the Blue, and some to the Ninja. If you need more, you can just add another Blue, which will also connect to the Ninja. The 10 meter range is bluetooth; the BT devices should be within 10m of the USBlue. But the USBlue can be any distance from the Ninja. Remember that once it's synced to the Ninja, even if it goes out of range, it has a quartz crystal so will stay in sync for a long time, unlike cameras or other devices which will drift pretty quickly if not in regular connection with their timecode host (the USBlue).
Hello Joseph, great work as always!!! I'm very disappointed that many cameras have build in timecode (like my sony A73 and A7S3) but it seems there is no way to sync this timecode with other devices. TC makes only sense if multiple devices synced to the same source, so I absolutely do not understand why sony implement TC in the camera with no option to sync to another source (like my zoom audio recorder) and I have to buy another device to record TC the audio channel? There are so many options to offer some sort of sync (use the mic input, bluetooth, use the app, the usb port, ....). Or do I miss something? Or what is the use case if you have multiple cameras each with it's own timecode? Today I use a hand clap to sync the different sources which works pretty well if the number of clips is not to high but as you mentioned in the video there are other situations and any help would be very much appreciated to improve the post editing process.
Timecode in-built in cameras can normally be output over HDMI. I don’t used Sony but it’s hard to imagine it wouldn’t. Then, your Zoom audio recorder likely has an HDMI input specifically for timecode. That will allow capture of the TC and possibly triggering start/stop recording on the Zoom as well. FYI if you join the channel as a member you will have access to a private Discord server which could be a good place to ask questions, and of course you’ll be helping support the channel! This would be a great topic there. Details at UA-cam.com/PhotoJoseph/join. Oh and for syncing multiple cameras, you generally need external TC. The BGH1 and BS1H have a single TC IN/OUT port so you could sync TWO cameras to each other that way, but that’s it. Any more and you need external TC
do u noticed about some delay frame between blue and one with atomX sync? is it correctable? the other question: is it possible to embed timecode in Apogee MetaRecorder and send timecode signal to pc with audio?
No delay between ONE and BLUE, no. I use them almost daily. MetaRecorder does accept timecode from this system as you’ve seen in this video but I’m not sure what you mean by “send timecode to PC”. The audio file recorded in MetaRecorder will have the TC embedded in it.
@@photojoseph between one( or blur) with X sync there is delay! i want to receive Realtime timecode like in this video for unreal for some virtual production stuff: ua-cam.com/video/VWvsDeU3HF0/v-deo.html let's correct my question: is it possible to receive realtime audio with timecode embedded to it in pc with metarecorder?
Great question. I don’t know and don’t have a way to test now as I’m traveling. I know that Filmic added a feature for clean hdmi video out but don’t know if mavis has that. If it does though, it’ll be HD max, not 4K. You should ask them directly.
@@sohrabhosseini981 right, was just pointing out that it’s the only app I know of that has clean hdmi out. Please let us know what you learn when Mavis responds.
Hai Joseph, i want to ask about live streaming with GH5 plus with on fly internal recording, is it possible ? and will the camera overheat quickly ? about 3 hour live streaming max. thank you.
The GH5 can simultaneously record internally while outputting clean HDMI. And unless you stick the thing in the Dubai desert in the open sun, it'll never overheat (and even then, it might not). It's a LUMIX… not a Canon ;-) Peter Gregg did a great test a while ago, check it out ua-cam.com/video/cnCnbFzmsqQ/v-deo.html
Hi Joseph! 😊 I'm looking for some solution for my weddings to get all audio and camera devices to be synchonized easy and fast and timecode is the way to go, because I'm so tired to do it in post. I have Canon R5C as a A cam and Sony A7 III for the B cam at the moment. For audio devices I have Tascam DR-10L, Zoom h1n and Zoom H6, but I want to buy some recorder with 32bit float and timecode option and I'm looking for Tascam X8. Is there any solution for timecode on Tascam DR-10L and Zoom h1n? Or I need to buy something else for mic the groom (I'm using Tascam DR-10L for that at ths moment). I was looking to buy Tentacle Sync system with Tentacle Sync Track E, but from what I know I can't use that with any recorder that have 32bit float, timecode option and XLR output (like Tascam X8, X6 or Zoom F3). 😐 What I have to buy to work all together perfectly? AtomX Sync will handle all of that?
Zoom F8n users--read this to connect your Zoom F8n to the AtomX Sync. It isn't in the Bluetooth menu like the F6. www.zoom.co.jp/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/E_F8n_Connecting_with_BLUE.pdf Make sure you upgrade the firmware on the F8n for Bluetooth.
@@photojoseph I think I’m just going to invest in the Diety TC-1. It seems if I want to use the Atomos brand I would need the UltraSync One to connect to the Zoom F3 and then the UltraSync Blue to connect to my camera. It will be just as expensive as the 3 set of Diety TC-1’s.
@@johnnyray5515 I don’t know that the F3 has timecode support. You’ll need to look into that. It could by by Bluetooth in which case you’d need the UltraSync BLUE, or by cable input in which case the UltraSync ONE (aka “US1”) with the correct cable will work. For the BMPCC, those take timecode in vía the microphone input, I believe. So again a US1 for that camera with the appropriate cable.
I don’t know the particulars of each of those devices, but if there is no time code input port, then your best option is to do time code in audio like I did on the G9 in this video.
since the atomx is no longer available, what do you recommend to replace that? Will the sdi module replace it? have to use the ultra sync? Planning on using timecode with zoom f3, s1h & bs1h. Probably gh6 and gh5s as well. Thanks!
The replacement for the AtomX Sync is the Connect, which unfortunately costs quite a bit more although it does add cloud functionality. I’m not happy about it either. I will be doing a review of the Deity timecode system soon.
Links to everything are on my site PhotoJoseph.com/yt/ep510 - What do you think of the new motion graphics??
I`m so obsessed by how crisp your light looks in this setup. Do you mind sharing what kind of modifier you are using and at which distance?
Hey man. I’m using a LOT of lights in this video, but the main light is a Nanlite Forza 300 geni.us/25VxtFR and a big-ass softbox with a grid geni.us/AlsEVW
@@photojoseph Thank you!
I'm still trying - to no avail - to find out if every Ninja V has a quartz crystal word clock generator that the Sync module uses as a master WC to feed the timecode generator to send wireless TC to the other Ninja Vs... or if each Sync module has a quartz crystal in it. I presume the former. Do you know?
@@alexcaminiti the sync modules have the quartz, not the Ninja.
Never seen someone digging in so deep on UA-cam. Thanks for that! You're a legend.
Thanks for that. To be fair, it’s only because ATOMOS sponsored this that I was able to justify going so deep. This took a long time to put together as you might imagine, and I wouldn’t have been able to justify doing that for the ad revenue alone on a topic this arcane! So a huge thank you to ATOMOS for wanting this video for their own use and paying me to make it!
Wow. Really well done.
Thank you!
My second time watching this! Just as a recap!😉👍🏾🙏🏾
Love that ☺️
Very, very good explanation! Thank you so much 🙏
You’re welcome and thanks for watching!
Thank you
this video is so good, did a great job explaining and filming
Thank you, Rene!
Incredible work as always!
Thank you!
Informative, and crystal clear. I did not know this gear existed. Even though not free, the gear is truly useful. Seems to work well together.
That it does! I know this isn’t for everyone but it’s a really great solution.
A part two with the Atomos Connect device workflow would be a great video!👍🏾
Yeah I’m in talks with ATOMOS about exactly that!
@@photojoseph Yippee!😂 Plus now that Nikon released their v3.0 firmware update for my Z9, that can now use the Blue to sync time code I am even more thirsty for your highly pedagogical run-throughs on this subject!👍🏾🙏🏾
Thanks for the very useful informations ✅👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
you’re welcome!
Well explained! Clear communication. Surely a convincing approach for securing timecode across multiple devices going into post. #Salute
thank you!
Is there a way to do this with the ATEM Mini Pro being the master? This way, I won't have to look into Blackmagic specific cameras? I'd especially love to get this working with a GoPro (with automatic record when the "Record" command is sent from the ATEM Mini Pro to the cameras, since a refresh of the micro cinema camera - with the Mini Pro direct support - is looking extremely unlikely), since that would make for a great aerial kind of shot.
This doesn’t integrate into live production, other than you could record ISOs of your live show and ensure they were in sync for post. I’m not sure what you’re trying to do. The timecode offset doesn’t shift the video/audio; it shifts the timecode embedded in it so they line up in post.
@@photojoseph How would your answer change now with the intro of the ATEM Mini Pro ISO? For instance, you have 4K cameras that aren’t BMD’s and you want to drop the recordings into the POST Resolve project and be synced up. (I’m thinking iPhone but I know that will depend on Filmic adding Timecode or Mavis adding clean HDMI out).
I totally get it and would love to use it but it is so expensive for an amateur videographer, I use a Ninja and a GH5 along with a G80 and often a couple of GoPro’s along with audio recorded on a Tascam DR60, now I have today spent at least 45 minutes lining up all the tracks before I could start to edit, but I cannot afford to spend what would amount to the best part of a grand on the various devices needed.
We need a cheaper alternative before this becomes anything but a professional level tool.
It *is* a professional tool. The cheaper alternative is audio+manually syncing as you’ve done.
Tentacle Sync is your alternative.
Is it possible to get ATOMOS and a RED Epic Dragon DSMC1 to sync. My audio recently stopped working so my process it to record to the RED MiniMag as well as a ninja v
GH5S Timecode Questions (I’m New to Timecode):
1. When using external TC box via the PC sync port, will a direct connection using a TS (not TRS) 3.5mm to PC sync cable work for TC boxes that output both timecode and scratch audio simultaneously like the Tentacle Sync E or Deity TC-1?
2. In cases where you can’t access the PC sync port for any reason, would timecode signal still be read by cameras with dedicated TC in/out if you send timecode signal via the mic in using the TC devices listed above?
3. The GH5S is known to drift after a short period of time (some experience drift after 30mins). When you leave the TC box connected to the the GH5S the entire take (e.g. long wedding ceremony or live events) do you still need to re-jam every 30mins to prevent drifting? What happens when you turn the camera on/off to conserve battery power?
*I find your videos for the Lumix and Atomos system very informative and helpful. Thank you for all your efforts to educate the photo and video community! 🙂
Hi Anna,
1) I don't have the Tentacle boxes however their outputs are, I believe, the same as the ATOMOS boxes, which is to say a mini BNC port. To use it with the GH5S, you go from their mini BNC to a standard BNC cable (which it should come with), then use the BNC to PC-port cable that came with the GH5S. (there might be a single cable solution available ,too). So I'm not sure where you're trying to use the 3.5mm TS cable on this?
2) If you do use the audio port, then you are recording timecode to the audio track. You then need to use software to convert that to actual Timecode. Resolve has it built in, FCP does not, and not sure about Premiere. But tentacle has free software to do this.
3) Any device without a crystal will drift. Unfortunately the GH5S does not continuously read TC. The good news is that means you can just plug it in (jam it) then move it to another camera. The bad news is that you have to do that every so often. 30 minutes sounds extreme but to be fair I've never critically tested it.
* Thank you!
@@photojoseph thank you for the super quick and detailed response! About my first question, I was thinking of just getting rid of the BNC cable that came with the GH5S and just connect the TC box directly using one (3.5mm TS to PC sync) cable for easier cable management. Just not sure if a TS pin (instead of TRS) would still be able to carry both timecode and audio simultaneously. 🙂
@@rrainezero19 TS will definitely only carry TC. One band is the ground, the other for the timecode. If it was TRS and there was an audio input then audio could go to one channel and TC to the other.
@@photojoseph this is very helpful. Thank you so much!
May you show me how to synx atom x with zoom f6? I tried many times, but they didnot see each others
It sometimes takes a few tries. Make sure the Zoom has latest firmware. Reset the Bluetooth list and try again.
Very instructive and useful thank you. Now, can you please do it again where the synchronization devices and software are not more expensive than my cameras and audio recorder?
Sorry man! Time sync hardware isn’t cheap.
@@photojoseph It actually is! But you have analyze what you need!
Does the Atomx sync work with the ninja inferno too? If not what would be the best solution with the inferno and a gh5? Thanks :)
The AtomX Sync is, as far as I know, ONLY compatible with the Ninja V. But the all have the same battery mount so it’s worth asking ATOMOS if that’s something that could be added. I don’t know. If the Inferno has a timecode input like the Shogun, then you can just connect an UltraSync ONE to it, but I don’t believe that it does. If not, then unfortunately the GH5 doesn’t have timecode input, so your only option would be an UltraSync ONE and the timecode-on-audio solution.
I have a question for you when you were showing the zoom F6 you never told us if when you start recording from one of the ninjas does it automatically Start recording the audio recorder or do I have to start it?
That you have to start manually. It’s only the other Ninja V that get the trigger.
Thanks Joe, that is very interesting...but my question is if it is posible to sync the time of the camera with the one of an Android or Apple phone, pleae take the time to answer this question as I wat to avoid having to make more and more investment in equipment...thanks a lot for your always great videos.
LUMIX cameras can be synced to time-of-day with an iPhone or android device. However if they will be perfectly frame accurate to each-other is another question, and I'd say "no". Also once you sync a camera, it is relying on its internal clock which is not as accurate as a quartz crystal so even if you managed perfect sync, it would drift. If "close to right" is good enough, then yes. If frame accurate is what you need, then you need actual timecode sync hardware.
Can I sync the Zoom F8n to the Atomos Sync without using a Blue or USO?
I see how easy the F6 is, but the F8n only has a Bluetooth option for the control unit.
You’ll have to look that one up, or ask Zoom. I don’t have a list of Zoom compatible units, sorry
For the life of me, I cannot get the Zoom F6 to pair with the Atoms in he Sync Config. I select pair on the Atomos screen, and connect on the Zoom and it it never finds the Atomos. Wondering if there is a specific firmware version that this works with?
If you’ve had your Zoom for a while, then yes, it’s likely that it needs a firmware update. Also, I’m assuming you have the Bluetooth adapter on the Zoom, right? Check their website for firmware updates.
PhotoJoseph I had the latest firmware on the Zoom and the BT adapter. What I did to fix it was factory reset the Zoom and then I was able to get it to pair.
Oh great! Thanks for sharing; I’ll remember that if I hear of any other issues.
I have problem syncing my video with FCPX and see your video, omg, this is too much for me haha! Man...... film making cost me so much 🤣
hehe it's an adventure for sure!
@@photojoseph thanks for your video! Learned a lot tonight!
Love hearing that :-)
Very informative video! I have a GH5, 2 GH5s and 2 Ninja V recorders. So do I need an AtomX sync device on each Ninja V? I'm a bit unsure about what I should get. could you please help?
Thank you for your video. Do you know how the atomX SYNC can be set to run as a slave with an UltraSync One as master? I do not get that configuration to work.
yeah it definitely can. Shouldn't be anything more to it than setting the SYNC into slave mode and ensuring they are on the same channel and region. If you can't get it working, reach out to ATOMOS support for help with that.
Great tutorial - is it possible to use the Ultrasync Blue to connect GH5 cameras together rather than using the Atomos UltraSync ONE?
Unfortunately no. The first camera to support timecode over Bluetooth is a Fuji that just came out. We’re all hoping this shows up in other cameras soon.
Hi, hope my questionnaire not off topic....If I use a zoom F6 recorder as my main sound device, can I use the onboard time sync feature to sync this to the Atomos Shogun 7?
Think it needs a BNC 3,5 Jack. The other things is if I work with 1-4 Cameras (all of them are Sony alpha series 5xxx or 6xxxx) connected by SDI to the Atomos in switching mode, does this cameras also need time code sync?
Hm, I think you can. I'm pretty sure that the F6 will output timecode, so it's just a matter of the right cabling.
@@photojosephI am sure it should work with the right cable....but didn’t find such a cable...probably in case that the Atomos Shogun 7 uses LTC on the sync input...I saw it works with the zoom f8 (on both side BNC). Does the f8 using a different sync standard then F6? Would be really great to find a solution...would it work with the Ultrasync one?
@@TheHeldenbariton what is the F6 LTC output? If it’s 3.5mm then Atomos makes a 3.5mm to BNC for this purpose
@@photojoseph Thank you Joseph, it's 3.5mm output...I got a BNC to 3.5 cable but it's not working...the output is TS so I got a TS cable...maybe the zoom is not deliver LTC.
@@photojoseph so with the right cable it works and I don’t need spending extra money for 3rd party time code generator...3.5 Jack cable with phono on the other end and than a BNC adapter from phono...and then I get the time code on on of the phone outputs....saved me money ohhhhh....yeaaaaa....
Wow…. 6 frames delay on HDMI…. I never knew that. Great video again!
@photojoseph so does the ninja v slave need to be calibrated for hdmi as well or just the master 🤔
sorry I did not understand one thing, the AtomX Sync must have it in both ninjas? or is it enough to put one on a ninja and the others connect to it?
Both Ninjas. Every device needs to have a Sync device, and any one of them can be the master. The Ninja V is small and doesn’t have a BNC Timecode input like the Shogun does, so this is a way to add it. Plus by using the Ninja V as the master, you control all your options on a big screen, not on the tiny screen that’s on the little Sync devices. For Timecode to truly be accurate, every device needs a dedicated timecode controller. The GH5S in this demo is the odd-man-out. Because it just reads the timecode once, it will drift, as explained in the video. I’ve since discovered that the S1H reads it continuously, which is awesome.
@@photojoseph grazie per il chiarimento
As Atomos X-sync is discontinued I just purchased Atomos Connect + Ultrasync Blue for my Ninja V. Would you please explain if this is possible to sync Ninja V with Connect to Ultrasync Blue via RF? That's how it is advertised, but doesn't seem to be possible for me. I can only sync via blutooth (which is of course not the best) and in fact it useless because there so approx 11 second offset even if devices seem to be connected and synced.
Is it possible to connect 2 slrs to a single super sync one using the Y cable?
Each UltraSync ONE has two ports - an LTC port and a SYNC port. The SYNC is for genlock, however you can actually use both for LTC. I'm working on a setup in my studio distributing timecode to all of my cameras at once. It's in progress and it's not complete, but sometime in the next couple of months I will likely release a video about it.
Just to clarify -- does this require the Atomos recorder, or could you use this to timecode sync cameras recording internally? Looks like the recorder is required to adjust settings.
Settings can be adjusted on any of the timecode devices. Any device can be a master or a slave.
@@photojoseph That's right. You did say that. Thanks.
unfortunately, the AtomX SYNC is not avaiable anymore :(
Yeah I’ve seen that. No bueno.
so i am close to getting the connects since the atomx syncs are not available but before I do, I have a question. In my testing, I have a bs1h and a s1H. Set the bs1h to be the timecode out and s1h to tc in. I am seeing on my bs1h it is the same timecode between the bs1h, s1h and each ninja on my cameras. I linked the cameras with a bnc cable from the bs1h to the s1h. Is this a possible "budget solution" since I record sit down interviews almost never go past an hour? If I opt for the ultrasync 1 instead of the connect, is there a way to have accurate timecode with this signal chain: TC out of Ultrasync 1-> TC in BS1H-> TC over hdmi to Ninja and duplicate setup for the S1H? Does the ninja v have to have a dedicated TC device or is TC over hdmi fine? DO I need to calibrate to the ninja TC for latency over hdmi? Thanks!!!!!!!!!! Also plan to add a zoom f3 in the mix and I guess an f2 so my devices can work with TC via the ultrasync1 or the blue if that is a good option. Thanks!!
Budget solution: absolutely. Limited to two cameras of course. US1 into each camera, then to Ninja; yes. Need to compensate for HDMI latency with audio: yes, and it’s easy. Good luck!
@@photojoseph in your opinion, is getting the connect the right choice or using ultrasync 1 into cams and then hdmi to ninja also a great solution? Adding a blue would allow me to use the f3 in the mix as well. Also been considering using deity tc1 into the mic input of the ninja and syncing that way between cameras. Thanks!
@ChrisFlores22 if you get the connect, that has Bluetooth built in so you don’t need a blue as well. It costs more but it does a LOT more. The whole C2C thing is way cool (watch this ua-cam.com/video/kTmhZ2Tdy9w/v-deo.htmlsi=LJnDgU5k0ajFT5Id if you haven’t). But if you only need TC then compare costs of the US1 and USBlue vs Connect. Deity is a great solution as well but they don’t have the BT integration with a ton of products like Atomos does. They have other advantages though so it’s a pretty specific call; you really gotta compare all the features.
@@photojoseph last question and thank you for your time!!! If I go the route you showed in your video but with the connect instead atomx sync, on the f2, how do I monitor audio? Connect a rode to the headphone port?
Hi Joseph, I have a Ninja V with the sync module that is connected to my Zoom F6 via Bluetooth. I also have 2 TentacleSync e units. Unfortunately the Tentacle sync is not something I can use with the directly with the Atomos Ninja V and the sync unit, because they use different Bluetooth protocols. And Atomos is of course not interested to implement a competitor tc sync system after they acquired Time code systems.
But I have learned that I could jam the timecode from the Zoom f6 into the Tentacle Sync e through a special cable. The cable that I have bought is the TENTACLE BODYPACK Y-ADAPTER CABLE. But as it has 3 ends not sure what ends to connect to the Zoomf6 and the Tentacle sync.
The thing I want to achieve is to use Both the Ninja V master TC into the F6 and then jam the TC from the f6 into the Tentacle Sync units.
Any experience with these devices?
I don’t, sorry… I’ve only used the ATOMOS ones!
There is a lot of good information here, but does it genlock over the ninva v hdmi out?
Genlock infers multiple video devices locked in sync. What are you trying go achieve?
@@photojoseph Ideally sync over hdmi from the ninja v to sync with a PC.
@@photojoseph thanks for the response!
Are you talking about syncing audio and video? That’s synced from the camera. If you’re talking about realtime view, all video over HDMI is delayed slightly. I don’t know what you’re asking though. And if you’re outputting from the camera to a Ninja, what is the PC doing?
@@photojoseph The Ninja V is for recording. The PC needs sync for tracking devices and real time frame rendering. A slight delay isn't a problem, I just need to sync camera 3d position and frame render to the HDMI source.
Hi, Joseph, I am rethinking my workflow in case I will switch to BMD Pocket Cameras and using a ATEM...as they mentioned to record in to the camera or HD in 4K during streaming and also record the ISO`s on attached HD to the ATEM...I am asking my self how I can get the TC set to all the recorded files...I use Tentacle to jam the Pocket 4/6K so they have all TC on the recorded files in the camera...the Soundrecorder has also a Tentacle on extra Track, so that’s all in sync...but is there a hint how to get the TC in to the ATEM ISO’s? The easiest way would be if the Cameras delivering the TC on one of the stereo tracks to the ATEM. One channel scratch audio and the other TC...would that work...will each camera write their own audio in to the ISO"s and will be there a delay or not? As I saw many discussions but no solution I thought it would be interesting to ask you as a master of all this things...
Hey Joseph again thank you great video, watching this video made me order 2 Ninja V's with Atomx Sync extension. is it possible to sync Ninja V with Blackmagic pocket Cinema 4k or 6k through Bluetooth ? I have two a7iii's and 2 bmpcc4ks I was wondering if I could sync them with bluetooth... Thanks
if you mean by using the BMPCC built-in bluetooth, no, not that I'm aware of. Does the BMPCC do bluetooth timecode sync between cameras? If so that's actually really cool. But even if it does, keep in mind that it won't be super accurate, because the camera doesn't have a crystal in it. To keep the time code super accurate, you need an external box connected at all times.
Will the AtomX Sync also work for multicam live things? Let's say you have cameras with different HDMI delay, could it sync them all up so the output of each Ninja V is synced? Or is this just for actual recordings?
In my case, I have 4 different cameras, each with a Ninja V... I have an Sony FS700 that has about 3-4 frames more delay than the others, so it's useless for live use. Could the AtomX Sync solve this issue?
ah, clever thinking, but no, unfortunately. The devices can’t shift the video / audio, they just shift the timecode so it all lines up in post. So for example, if you have audio in realtime, and a camera that’s 6 frames delayed, then if you looked at the timecode on the devices while recording, they would be 6 frames apart. That way when brought into the NLE, the all line up properly.
@@photojoseph that's what I thought. Bummer! Thanks for the clarification!
So this is a wireless (hdmiless) from ninja to ninja start/stop ? My setup is gh5s w ninja v w rt and left focus handle by tilta w stop start for record on a tripod . Also i have a gh5s w ninja v + w tilta neucleus m rt wireless handle on monfrotto gimbal 460. So if im using my gimbal or tripod rig and hit record or stop this will start or stop recording on both wirelessly ? As well as timecode i see. Go pros w sync box as well start stop? Any camera and all start stop. Correct?
You got it. The NINJA V will all start stop, and yes the GoPro too. As you saw in the video not every device that can get timecode can also get start/stop control, but the Ninja and GoPro does.
For the 2 ninjas need 2 modules. Correct? For 2 go pros 2 sync boxes. Correct? Are these the nec accesories needed to start stop record timecode or am i missing accesories for the bare min to control as start stop control? Thank you Sir
@@DroseMr correct and correct. Exactly as it’s shown in the video. Each device needs a module.
excellent THNX!
Thanks for watching!
Is it possible with the Atomx Sync and the F6 with the bluetooth adapter to hit record on the master ninja v and have that trigger the F6 to start recording? Or would I need the ultrasync to send timecode into the TC in port on the F6?
Unfortunately no. The start/stop doesn’t transmit over Bluetooth
I have a total of 7 devices (and perhaps more to be added) that I would like to sync timecode. Currently I have 4 Fujifilm Xh2s and 3 audio devices (2 Zoom F2BT and 1 Tuscan X8 with BT dongle). All of them accept TC via BT from the ultrasync blue. However, I understand there is a 6 device and 10M limit for the ultrasync blue. What else do I need to buy and combine with my kit to enable all 7 devices to stay TC synced? And if possible, also extend the range. I do have an Atomos Ninja V and the Atomos Connect module at my disposal. Thank you!
Hey there. It sounds like you have all you need. The Ninv V + Connect will be the server, and the UltraSync Blue will sync (be a client) to that. Then you can connect some BT devices to the Blue, and some to the Ninja. If you need more, you can just add another Blue, which will also connect to the Ninja. The 10 meter range is bluetooth; the BT devices should be within 10m of the USBlue. But the USBlue can be any distance from the Ninja. Remember that once it's synced to the Ninja, even if it goes out of range, it has a quartz crystal so will stay in sync for a long time, unlike cameras or other devices which will drift pretty quickly if not in regular connection with their timecode host (the USBlue).
Hello Joseph, great work as always!!!
I'm very disappointed that many cameras have build in timecode (like my sony A73 and A7S3) but it seems there is no way to sync this timecode with other devices. TC makes only sense if multiple devices synced to the same source, so I absolutely do not understand why sony implement TC in the camera with no option to sync to another source (like my zoom audio recorder) and I have to buy another device to record TC the audio channel? There are so many options to offer some sort of sync (use the mic input, bluetooth, use the app, the usb port, ....). Or do I miss something? Or what is the use case if you have multiple cameras each with it's own timecode?
Today I use a hand clap to sync the different sources which works pretty well if the number of clips is not to high but as you mentioned in the video there are other situations and any help would be very much appreciated to improve the post editing process.
Timecode in-built in cameras can normally be output over HDMI. I don’t used Sony but it’s hard to imagine it wouldn’t. Then, your Zoom audio recorder likely has an HDMI input specifically for timecode. That will allow capture of the TC and possibly triggering start/stop recording on the Zoom as well. FYI if you join the channel as a member you will have access to a private Discord server which could be a good place to ask questions, and of course you’ll be helping support the channel! This would be a great topic there. Details at UA-cam.com/PhotoJoseph/join. Oh and for syncing multiple cameras, you generally need external TC. The BGH1 and BS1H have a single TC IN/OUT port so you could sync TWO cameras to each other that way, but that’s it. Any more and you need external TC
do u noticed about some delay frame between blue and one with atomX sync? is it correctable?
the other question: is it possible to embed timecode in Apogee MetaRecorder and send timecode signal to pc with audio?
No delay between ONE and BLUE, no. I use them almost daily. MetaRecorder does accept timecode from this system as you’ve seen in this video but I’m not sure what you mean by “send timecode to PC”. The audio file recorded in MetaRecorder will have the TC embedded in it.
@@photojoseph between one( or blur) with X sync there is delay! i want to receive Realtime timecode like in this video for unreal for some virtual production stuff:
ua-cam.com/video/VWvsDeU3HF0/v-deo.html
let's correct my question: is it possible to receive realtime audio with timecode embedded to it in pc with metarecorder?
Can't believe atomos got rid of the timecode module for the ninja v. sucks.
I agree. Voice your displeasure with them. Tell them my video made you want to buy it and now you can’t and you’re pissed!
Hi joseph. Does mavis app can send video signal to lightning to hdmi adapter? if yes does the timecode embedded in signal?
Great question. I don’t know and don’t have a way to test now as I’m traveling. I know that Filmic added a feature for clean hdmi video out but don’t know if mavis has that. If it does though, it’ll be HD max, not 4K. You should ask them directly.
@@photojoseph unfortunately filmic pro doesn't support blue!
@@sohrabhosseini981 right, was just pointing out that it’s the only app I know of that has clean hdmi out. Please let us know what you learn when Mavis responds.
@@photojoseph sure.
Hai Joseph, i want to ask about live streaming with GH5 plus with on fly internal recording, is it possible ? and will the camera overheat quickly ? about 3 hour live streaming max. thank you.
The GH5 can simultaneously record internally while outputting clean HDMI. And unless you stick the thing in the Dubai desert in the open sun, it'll never overheat (and even then, it might not). It's a LUMIX… not a Canon ;-) Peter Gregg did a great test a while ago, check it out ua-cam.com/video/cnCnbFzmsqQ/v-deo.html
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Thanks!
Hi Joseph! 😊
I'm looking for some solution for my weddings to get all audio and camera devices to be synchonized easy and fast and timecode is the way to go, because I'm so tired to do it in post.
I have Canon R5C as a A cam and Sony A7 III for the B cam at the moment. For audio devices I have Tascam DR-10L, Zoom h1n and Zoom H6, but I want to buy some recorder with 32bit float and timecode option and I'm looking for Tascam X8. Is there any solution for timecode on Tascam DR-10L and Zoom h1n? Or I need to buy something else for mic the groom (I'm using Tascam DR-10L for that at ths moment). I was looking to buy Tentacle Sync system with Tentacle Sync Track E, but from what I know I can't use that with any recorder that have 32bit float, timecode option and XLR output (like Tascam X8, X6 or Zoom F3). 😐
What I have to buy to work all together perfectly? AtomX Sync will handle all of that?
Too many specific questions for a UA-cam comment, sorry. www.photojoseph.com/1to1
Zoom F8n users--read this to connect your Zoom F8n to the AtomX Sync. It isn't in the Bluetooth menu like the F6.
www.zoom.co.jp/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/E_F8n_Connecting_with_BLUE.pdf
Make sure you upgrade the firmware on the F8n for Bluetooth.
Can I use this system without the ninja?
Yes, that’s just one optional component.
@@photojoseph I’m basically wanting to use this with a Zoom F3 and sync the timecode to my bmpcc 6k pro. What would I need for that?
@@photojoseph I think I’m just going to invest in the Diety TC-1. It seems if I want to use the Atomos brand I would need the UltraSync One to connect to the Zoom F3 and then the UltraSync Blue to connect to my camera. It will be just as expensive as the 3 set of Diety TC-1’s.
@@johnnyray5515 I don’t know that the F3 has timecode support. You’ll need to look into that. It could by by Bluetooth in which case you’d need the UltraSync BLUE, or by cable input in which case the UltraSync ONE (aka “US1”) with the correct cable will work. For the BMPCC, those take timecode in vía the microphone input, I believe. So again a US1 for that camera with the appropriate cable.
@@photojoseph yeah the F3’s do support timecode. There is a 3.5 out port on the side.
Hi Joseph, how can I sync a Sony NEX 700 with Shogun with another Sony NEX 700 with Shogun 7?
I don’t know the particulars of each of those devices, but if there is no time code input port, then your best option is to do time code in audio like I did on the G9 in this video.
since the atomx is no longer available, what do you recommend to replace that? Will the sdi module replace it? have to use the ultra sync? Planning on using timecode with zoom f3, s1h & bs1h. Probably gh6 and gh5s as well. Thanks!
The replacement for the AtomX Sync is the Connect, which unfortunately costs quite a bit more although it does add cloud functionality. I’m not happy about it either. I will be doing a review of the Deity timecode system soon.
@@photojoseph could I use the ultra sync? Would that send timecode from the camera to the ninja?